TradingGod:
the soul came with the body

Before the spirit of God came into contact with the body of man, man had a dead soul


What made the soul alive is the spirit, without the spirit the soul is dead, but a soul can not die since every soul that came from Adam came with their spirit rather when the spirit of man leaves man, the soul follows the spirit, they are now inseparable, it is one of the wonders of Yahweh

When a soul sin it dies mean when the soul leaves the body (physical death) the soul that sins goes to hell because the spirit that the soul has is evil Spirit that is why the soul sins, remember that a soul can do nothing except he is being told by his spirit, so if a soul sin, it is because of the evil spirit behind him

That is why when You give Your life to Christ, You are changing your Spirit from the natural man spirit that is now evil and to Holy Spirit that cimes from Christ

All Christian has the Holy Spirit once You confess your Lordship to Our Lord Jesus Christ but you still need to activate the spirit through knowledge of the word of God so that you can allow the new Holy Spirit in you to guide you in doin right.

It is this Holy Spirit that will allow you to enter heaven else you can not enter heaven with the natural spirit you were born with because that spirit has been corrupted from the beginning so you need the Holy Spirit in your life to enter the Kingdom of Heaven

You made a lot of things up like:

The soul and spirit are inseparable. Are you saying spirit and soul are the same?


A question: is it the soul or the spirit that goes to Hell? Given, according to you, they're inseparable.

How can a soul go to hell or heaven when it didn't come from hell or heaven, but from God?

And lastly, when you say spirit, what do you mean? We know that the body is made up of organic and inorganic materials that forms a hand, eyes, legs and the rest. So what constitutes a spirit?


What constitutes a soul?

LeyeWrites:
You made a lot of things up like:

The soul and spirit are inseparable. Are you saying spirit and soul are the same?


A question: is it the soul or the spirit that goes to Hell? Given, according to you, they're inseparable.

How can a soul go to hell or heaven when it didn't come from hell or heaven, but from God?

And lastly, when you say spirit, what do you mean? We know that the body is made up of organic and inorganic materials that forms a hand, eyes, legs and the rest. So what constitutes a spirit?


What constitutes a soul?

Do you believe in Lord Jesus?

TradingGod:

Do you believe in Lord Jesus?

Believe in him as what?

LeyeWrites:
Believe in him as what?

there is no point explaining further


Have a nice day

TradingGod:
there is no point explaining further


Have a nice day

Typical Pharisees. Can't stand questioning from enlightened minds.


It's the same way Pharisees ran away from Christ who questioned their knowledge of truth.

LeyeWrites:
Typical Pharisees. Can't stand questioning from enlightened minds.


It's the same way Pharisees ran away from Christ who questioned their knowledge of truth.

if you dont believe in Christ then there is no point explaining spiritual truth to you

Even if I tell you that Lord Jesus Christ fed 5000 people with 5 loaves of bread with 2 fishes, you will still ask for proof

So bye bye 👋

TradingGod:
■ Was man with his soul and body in existence before creation? Yes or no. Was the Spirit of God in existence before creation? Yes or no?
■ Giving Glory to Yahweh is what man was created for, the possession of that young rich ruler was his glory, he refused to give it to Jesus and till today no man knows his name
■ In case you dont know, the greatest Glory that follows a man is an eternal name that will stand the test of time e.g King David, Abraham, Moses, Joseph, Isaac etc. When You Give God Glory, He gives you His eternal Glory that stand forever
■ It is the principle of the Kingdom of God, if you go to heaven today, that is what people in heaven do, they constantly Give God Glory and that is the will of the Father in Heaven that our Lord Jesus came to establish on earth. E.g all of Lord Jesus prayers was to Give the Father His Glory unlike others that pray to God for money or for death of their enemies

Matthew 6:9 This, then, is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven:
May your holy name be honored;
Matthew 6:10 may your Kingdom come;
may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

1. No need for the meaningless back and forth please. Creation of man means creation of all that is man and again, that passage of Genesis 2 vs 6 - 7. Already more than states all there is to know about far as that.

2. Where in scripture is it stated in Scripture that giving Glory to God is what man was created by God for?

3. Where in Scripture is this claim of yours stated in Scripture?

4. Where is this principal which you claim stated in the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ?

By the way, according to Jesus Christ, there are no people in Heaven today. Nor will there be people in Heaven until after He returns and judges the goats and sheep in the Kingdom of God. And no where is it written in the Lord's Prayer that we are to give Glory to God. I don't see how what can be interpreted as wishful statements in the Lord's Prayer amounts to actually giving Glory to God.

By the way, according to Jesus Christ, you are to pray the Lord's Prayer every time you wish to pray. Do you also do this?

Anyway, so where exactly do these ideas you hold really come from?

LeyeWrites:
■ You made a lot of things up like: The soul and spirit are inseparable. Are you saying spirit and soul are the same? A question: is it the soul or the spirit that goes to Hell? Given, according to you, they're inseparable.
■ How can a soul go to hell or heaven when it didn't come from hell or heaven, but from God?
■ And lastly, when you say spirit, what do you mean? We know that the body is made up of organic and inorganic materials that forms a hand, eyes, legs and the rest. So what constitutes a spirit? What constitutes a soul?

1. If you are referring to Heaven and Hell in the Kingdom of God, then according to Jesus Christ it is the man ---- mind, body, and soul intact--- that goes to either Heaven or Hell - Matthew 25 v 31 - 46.

2. Where do you get this idea that a soul can only go where it comes from though. That is one problem you may want to resolve for yourself there. According to Jesus Christ, all those who are born-again become a part of the Kingdom of God with an end either in Heaven (Eternal Reward) or Hell(Eternal Damnation). So let us know where your idea that the soul cannot go where it did not come from is from.

3. What do you think the Spirit is?

Kobojunkiee:
1. If you are referring to Heaven and Hell in the Kingdom of God, then according to Jesus Christ it is the man ---- mind, body, and soul intact--- that goes to either Heaven or Hell - Matthew 25 v 31 - 46.

2. Where do you get this idea that a soul can only go where it comes from though. That is one problem you may want to resolve for yourself there. According to Jesus Christ, all those who are born-again become a part of the Kingdom of God with an end either in Heaven (Eternal Reward) or Hell(Eternal Damnation). So let us know where your idea that the soul cannot go where it did not come from is from.

3. What do you think the Spirit is?

You're the one confusing heaven for the kingdom of God.


Jesus never mentioned hell for once.


It's simple. Man soul is made from dust. From dust it came to dust it shall return.


Even though I'd like to think dust is a separate universe on its own. And that the dust man was made from wasn't what we call dust today.

LeyeWrites:
■ You're the one confusing heaven for the kingdom of God.
■ Jesus never mentioned hell for once.
■ It's simple. Man soul is made from dust. From dust it came to dust it shall return. Even though I'd like to think dust is a separate universe on its own. And that the dust man was made from wasn't what we call dust today.

1. Now this seems scattered. Heaven(Eternal reward) was never available to men until Jesus Christ arrived on the scene with the Kingdom of God. And He too made it clear to you that the only ones who can enter into Heaven(Eternal Reward) at the end of the day are those who are His sheep in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 36. He is the King and Judge in the Kingdom of God where Heaven(Eternal Reward) and Hell(Eternal Damnation) are under His jurisdiction. So, are you saying that you are not even aware of this?

2. As for Jesus never mentioning the word "Hell", are you certain, you have ever read through His Gospels for yourself?

29 If your right eye makes you sin, take it out and throw it away. It is better to lose one part of your body than to have your whole body thrown into hell.
30 If your right hand makes you sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell. - Matthew 5 vs 29 - 30

Have you ever actually read a book of your own?

3. And so what rule stops the one who made man from dust from transporting that man into a Heaven/Hell which He also made?

Kobojunkiee:
1. Now this seems scattered. Heaven(Eternal reward) was never available to men until Jesus Christ arrived on the scene with the Kingdom of God. And He too made it clear to you that the only ones who can enter into Heaven(Eternal Reward) at the end of the day are those who are His sheep in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 36. He is the King and Judge in the Kingdom of God where Heaven(Eternal Reward) and Hell(Eternal Damnation) are under His jurisdiction. So, are you saying that you are not even aware of this?

2. As for Jesus never mentioning the word "Hell", are you certain, you have ever read through His Gospels for yourself?
Have you ever actually read a book of your own?

3. And so what rule stops the one who made man from dust from transporting that man into a Heaven/Hell which He also made?

How can you say heaven is not available to men until Jesus came?


Where did spirit of Abraham go?

Elijah own?


What about Elisha?


Jesus never mentioned Hell the way you grow up with

In the danger of hell is just a way of saying in the danger of going to the grave early. Because hell is Hades and Hades is grave.


Because he already said it should return to dust. Or you're saying God change his mind often?

LeyeWrites:
■ How can you say heaven is not available to men until Jesus came?
■ Where did spirit of Abraham go? Elijah own? What about Elisha?
■ Jesus never mentioned Hell the way you grow up with
■ In the danger of hell is just a way of saying in the danger of going to the grave early. Because hell is Hades and Hades is grave.
■ Because he already said it should return to dust. Or you're saying God change his mind often?

1. You tell me where you get the idea that Heaven was available to men before Jesus Christ showed up with the Kingdom of God.

2. According to Scripture, those guys are all in the ground, awaiting the resurrection of all of Israel. They didn't go anywhere as they are all sleeping in their graves.

3. What do you mean by "Hell the way you grow up with"?

4. Not according to Jesus Christ who instead said Hell(Eternal damnation) is the destination for all those who are born-again but reject His teachings and commandments. You should probably realize by now that words have multiple meanings and each meaning application within a particular context and in the context that is Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of God, Hell is a reference to the place of Eternal damnation.

5. You conveniently ignored the rest of what He said though which is that that rule only applies as far as unbelievers like Adam whom the curse was laid on. The same God gave eternal life to Adam's own son, Abel, and to everyone else who chose not to go the way of Adam. And Eternal life means one does not cease in the grave — turn to dust— but rather sleeps in the grave. He didn't change His mind, you just didn't pay heed to everything else He said.

jesusjnr2020:
"Thy Will be done" is also part of that prayer.

So, why would you come to be saying that “A Part” is better than “A Whole”??

BluntCrazeMan:
So, why would you come to be saying that “A Part” is better than “A Whole”??

Even a whole could have the best part but you don't have to agree with that.

jesusjnr2020:
Even a whole could have the best part but you don't have to agree with that.

Go and tell that to Jesus.
He made a huge mistake by bringing the whole parts together.

I am not the one that is supposed to agree or disagree with you..
Go and sort it out with JESUS
(After-all, he is the one who prayed the both prayers)

BluntCrazeMan:


Go and tell that to Jesus.
He made a huge mistake by bringing the whole parts together.

I am not the one that is supposed to agree or disagree with you..
Go and sort it out with JESUS
(After-all, he is the one who prayed the both prayers)

Jesus wasn't the One who came here and had an issue with this powerful prayer, you did! He specifically prayed this powerful prayer Himself at the most pivotal moment of His life on Earth, after already teaching His disciples to pray it, so if you have a problem with this powerful prayer, it means you have a problem with Jesus, not me. This topic aligns with His teachings and example, therefore stop calling Jesus in vain as if your fault-finding mission here has anything to do with Him or His teachings.

Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Matthew 6:10

"Father, may your Will be done and not my own" Luke 22:42

You should realize that knowledge of these things is not given to everyone, so if you yet lack it, you should humble yourself and ask God to give it to you, instead of proudly speaking ignorantly of things you knew nothing about.

jesusjnr2020:
Jesus wasn't the One who came here and had an issue with this powerful prayer, you did! He specifically prayed this powerful prayer Himself at the most pivotal moment of His life on Earth, after already teaching His disciples to pray it, so if you have a problem with this powerful prayer, it means you have a problem with Jesus, not me. This topic aligns with His teachings and example, therefore stop calling Jesus in vain as if your fault-finding mission here has anything to do with Him or His teachings.

Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Matthew 6:10

"Father, may your Will be done and not my own" Luke 22:42

You should realize that knowledge of these things is not given to everyone, so if you yet lack it, you should humble yourself and ask God to give it to you, instead of proudly speaking ignorantly of things you knew nothing about.

You don't even know what prayer is.



Imagine seeing prayer with human eyes.
And even bringing in comparisons, creating disparity right inside two prayers that are essentially the same thing.
Just for it to be that you humanly argued a point that needed no argument.


My Point Is
No Prayer Is Better Than The Other.



God didn't reveal this topic to you.
You're approaching this topic with human thinking.
Not God's.

BluntCrazeMan:


You don't even know what prayer is.



Imagine seeing prayer with human eyes.
And even bringing in comparisons, creating disparity right inside two prayers that are essentially the same thing.
Just for it to be that you humanly argued a point that needed no argument.


My Point Is
No Prayer Is Better Than The Other.



God didn't reveal this topic to you.
You're approaching this topic with human thinking.
Not God's.

Your point is hinged on spiritual ignorance. You don't even know what the Will of God is otherwise you wouldn't be here arguing blindly.

The Will of God is the most important thing to God. It's what being done in heaven, hence Jesus saying, "Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven", in that same prayer. It is the bottom line of that prayer Jesus taught His disciples, so that whole prayer could be summarised as "Thy Will be done". You must have also heard about, praying according to the Will of God, that's what it actually means.

Jesus Himself said He came to do the Will of God on Earth, not His own Will (John 6:38), hence even when He offered a prayer to God contrary to God's Will, to take away the cup from Him, He would conclude by saying, "nevertheless, not My Will but Yours be done", because that's the most important and powerful prayer of all which supercedes any prayer that goes contrary to the Will of God. So your idea that no prayer is better than the other is not only ignorant, but antichrist.

Jesus even warned us in His teachings, not everyone who calls Him, "Lord" will enter into the Kingdom of heaven, but everyone who does the Will of His Father in heaven, so that should already show you how important and powerful that prayer is if you really wanted to learn.

You also need to align your orientation with that of Christ who prayed according to the Will of God and did His Will, otherwise you risk finding yourself among those who call Him, "Lord" but wouldn't be allowed entry into His Kingdom.