Aemmyjah:


Shame
Words of mouth are still significant
How will you feel if your wife refuses to say she loves you.
You know she does but her saying it, though 3 words, is very special

Out of the heart, the mouth speaks

Good you brought Mat 12:34 upon yourself.

Your fellow JW guy said many people only confess God by mouth and not by heart.
But your Jesus said "Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks"

Now who is lying?

FRANCISTOWN:

Good you brought Mat 12:34 upon yourself.
Your fellow JW guy said many people only confess God by mouth and not by heart.
But your Jesus said "Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks"
Now who is lying?

All you need to do if you're sincere with yourself is ask what Jesus meant because the same Jesus said:

"This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’ Matthew 15:8-9

And

“For no fine tree produces rotten fruit, and no rotten tree produces fine fruit. For each tree is known by its own fruit. For example, people do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they cut grapes off a thornbush. A good man brings good out of the good treasure of his heart, but a wicked man brings what is wicked out of his wicked treasure; for out of the heart’s abundance his mouth speaks" Luke 6:43-45

If they praise God with their mouth as good but at the same time makes him appear to be partial doesn't that show you the type of person they're inwardly?

FRANCISTOWN:

Good you brought Mat 12:34 upon yourself.

Your fellow JW guy said many people only confess God by mouth and not by heart.
But your Jesus said "Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks"

Now who is lying?

One important use of the brain is comprehension and I am sure you were taught in school on how to comprehend
I was talking about professing Love for God and it has to start from the heart

Is telling someone you love him just mere words like you're telling him the time OR a confession (true or false) from the heart?

You don't accept the bible but you quote from it to suit yourself

MaxInDHouse:


Because i've been handling his case with care he thought he's special!
Who cares what happens to someone who hates the truth?
My reason for opening this thread is to prove that those claiming atheists don't know they're deceiving themselves.
If atheism means lack of believe in deities but some who have rendered their conscience dead are claiming believers in God it's simple they're atheists in disguise because they actually don't have the fear of any deities rather their fears is for humans they can see! Isaiah 29:13

What more can we expect from people whose idealogy is that Life has no purpose, Future, no Hope?

Aemmyjah:

What more can we expect from people whose idealogy is that Life has no purpose, Future, no Hope?

They are victims of the REAL ATHEISTS!
If someone has been defrauded by those guys using the name of Jesus or God such a person will find it really hard to forgive God because they will be wondering where was He when the Yahoo big boys were using His name to defraud them!

Aemmyjah:

One important use of the brain is comprehension and I am sure you were taught in school on how to comprehend
I was talking about professing Love for God and it has to start from the heart
Is telling someone you love him just mere words like you're telling him the time OR a confession (true or false) from the heart?
You don't accept the bible but you quote from it to suit yourself

Ọmọ there is a big difference between telling God how you feel while talking to Him in your closet {Matthew 6:6} and showy display of affection just to impress onlookers! 2Timothy 3:5

vdestro:


Seeing the Truth is your problem.

_{As many so called atheists here have directly confessed, the beginning of their antiGodism started when He did not help them out of their problems nor listened to their plenty prayers.}

So, this is not about how some people choose to deceitfully define it in a book called dictionary but about how people display the natural Truth of their beliefs.

You are typing the same way as DtruthSpeaker,
Did the NL bot affect the "DtruthSpeaker" Moniker?
By the way, that's not the point.
Lemme point you to the irregularities in your comment.
Okay! @the Subscripted texts.
Maybe because I'm stoic in nature, I really don't know whether a kind of disappointment can lead people to atheism. I think it can only lead them to misotheism(the hatred for god and deities).
When I was a Christian and my prayers weren't answered, that was when my faith grew the more because I thought it was god testing me.

I think only knowledge can lead one to atheism. In my own case, I read a report
in 2011 and I really started to think.
Then I started reading everything I
could lay my hands on because I was
fighting with my sprit to not doubt the
existence of God.

Anyone who became an atheist because God disappointed them is just hurting, sooner or later they'll find their way back to him but you see those of us who became atheists thru knowledge and critical thinking. There is nothing anybody can tell us again that we've not known.


See, just looking at this world is enough
for everyone to know that there is no
god in charge.

"The earth belongs to the sons of men"

FRANCISTOWN:

Okay! @the Subscripted texts.
Maybe because I'm stoic in nature, I really don't know whether a kind of disappointment can lead people to atheism. I think it can only lead them to misotheism(the hatred for god and deities).

Your problem is picking words that has been defined to your taste and keeping it in your dairy anticipating others to swallow it the same way you did. Theism, Atheism, Misotheism, Agnosticm, Polytheism this or that Eism doesn't make you wise it's only a sign that you have accumulated so many garbages of human philosophical ideas.
If someone truly believes God exist it's the way he/she deals with others that will prove it not what they're saying with their mouth!

FRANCISTOWN:

When I was a Christian and my prayers weren't answered, that was when my faith grew the more because I thought it was god testing me.

There you go again claiming you were once a Christian when in actual fact you were just a misinformed churchgoer. Christians must find time to go out with fellow believers to preach from house to house and door to door {Matthew 10:11-13} and the theme of their message should be "God's Kingdom" {Matthew 10:7} they must not disturb the public who aren't interested in their message with noise {Matthew 12:19} they must not be found in politics {John 17:14} they must not be killers justifying it by nationalism claiming they are protecting/defending their country {Matthew 10:23} they must love their neighbours (people everywhere) as themselves {Mark 12:31} they must not join in killing or support the killing of any wrongdoer! Matthew 7:1-4
I know all these won't matter to you as long as the definition given to you about Christianity is just to go doing churchy stuff.

FRANCISTOWN:

I think only knowledge can lead one to atheism. In my own case, I read a report
in 2011 and I really started to think.
Then I started reading everything I
could lay my hands on because I was
fighting with my sprit to not doubt the
existence of God.

Your so called knowledge was based on what people say not critical thinking because if you're a critical thinker you supposed to criticize atheism too but since you have nothing tangible to hold onto as knowledge of God you think atheism is better.

FRANCISTOWN:

Anyone who became an atheist because God disappointed them is just hurting, sooner or later they'll find their way back to him but you see those of us who became atheists thru knowledge and critical thinking. There is nothing anybody can tell us again that we've not known.

Did you know that without all those things Jesus commanded you're ya Christian?
If course you don't!
So ọmọ there are lots and lots of things you don't know!

FRANCISTOWN:

See, just looking at this world is enough
for everyone to know that there is no
god in charge.

There you go claiming you were once a Christian yet you don't know that Satan is in charge of the affairs of this world {John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19} according to God's word Satan is striving really hard to keep mankind in check but he couldn't because the method he started with has already failed from the beginning, he convinced humans that they can rule over themselves independently without God if they themselves assume the office of God {Genesis 3:4-5} so how can he set standards for them and expect them to live by such standards wholeheartedly when each of them feels like a God on his or her own?
That's where everything went wrong! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9

FRANCISTOWN:

"The earth belongs to the sons of men"

YES, God gave it to men {Psalm 115:16} but not for humans to direct the steps of their fellow human because even each one needs God's guidance {Jeremiah 10:23} so it's impossible for them to rule themselves successfully!

You will learn a lot from true disciples of Christ if you continue with this thread!

FRANCISTOWN:

You are typing the same way as DtruthSpeaker,
Did the NL bot affect the "DtruthSpeaker" Moniker?
By the way, that's not the point.
Lemme point you to the irregularities in your comment.
Okay! @the Subscripted texts.
Maybe because I'm stoic in nature, I really don't know whether a kind of disappointment can lead people to atheism. I think it can only lead them to misotheism(the hatred for god and deities).
When I was a Christian and my prayers weren't answered, that was when my faith grew the more because I thought it was god testing me.

I think only knowledge can lead one to atheism. In my own case, I read a report
in 2011 and I really started to think.
Then I started reading everything I
could lay my hands on because I was
fighting with my sprit to not doubt the
existence of God.

Anyone who became an atheist because God disappointed them is just hurting, sooner or later they'll find their way back to him but you see those of us who became atheists thru knowledge and critical thinking. There is nothing anybody can tell us again that we've not known.

See, just looking at this world is enough
for everyone to know that there is no
god in charge.

"The earth belongs to the sons of men"

A leopard can not hide its spots. People have received the knowledge of education and none of them has had a hot vengeance and personal vendetta against the illiteracy they left behind.

That is how it works.

No pain, no sorrow, no anger, no hatred, no regrets.

But all atheists both here and offline have always expressed their great anger and very hot hatred for God, citing their personal grievances they hold against Him.

And that is an inseparable quality you all have as your posts always reveals.

So, in the end, every atheists has his own personal issue against God because He did not help them. That is the common factor.

vdestro:

Every atheists has his own personal issue against God because He did not help them. That is the common factor.

The hidden thorn in their flesh is selfishness coupled with greed and wickedness!

They want God to treat them special because they claim they're His worshipers so instead of making research to know why there is injustice, suffering and pain in the world they feel God supposed to prevent all of that not to affect them while they watch others suffer all of it.
So because they're lazy intellectually to make the needed research they concluded there is no God! Psalm 10:4

An atheist is that person whose action speaks loudly that God doesn't exist!

To illustrate: imagine two young men after they escaped from a band of rubbers they're trying to go back home, both of them hungry and famished so they need to get home to be refreshed.
Mr A "don't worry my father's house is very close by soon we'll get home and you will enjoy to the fullest that you won't even remember what has happened"
Mr B "oh i will be grateful because i can't even find my way home but at least i will be okay when we reach your father's house"
Me A "sure my friend, all our troubles will be gone within a short time from now"
M B (smile with excitement hopeful they get to his friends home soon)

Then they saw a man carrying loaves of bread attacked by hoodlums and these paupers were eating the loaves right there at the spot hungrily.

With the speed of lightning Mr A rushed to the scene his friend was expecting him to salvage the situation and help the hawker but to his amazement Mr A is struggling for loaves some that has even fallen into the gutters and the next thing is he was eating the bread as if there is no tomorrow!

Please if you are Mr B will you continue going with him expecting to reach his imaginary father's house where everything is rossy?

That's what a real atheist could mean for you!

Many are claiming they're believers in God or Christ echoing the words of Jesus "in my father's house (heaven) there are many mansions so be hopeful and have faith that God will save us"
But these same people are using the money contributed by others for the purpose of promoting the Good News of God's kingdom to acquire material possessions like mansions, fleet of luxurious cars, private jets and sleeping around with harlots even going to the internet for the services of pornstars!

So between the unreasonable churchgoer who suddenly turned his back on the church due to the WORKS of their pastors and the pastors whose attitude irritated their followers to the extent that those ones concluded that God doesn't exist, who are the real atheists?

Maximus692:

The hidden thorn in their flesh is selfishness coupled with greed and wickedness!

They want God to treat them special because they claim they're His worshipers so instead of making research to know why there is injustice, suffering and pain in the world they feel God supposed to prevent all of that not to affect them while they watch others suffer all of it.
So because they're lazy intellectually to make the needed research they concluded there is no God! Psalm 10:4

True but it is not entirely their fault for before today, both devils and those who did not know where wickedly and wrongly teaching people that God was like their personal babalawo or genie in a bottle, looking for anyone who takes Him to grant their wishes.

MaxInDHouse:
...
So between the unreasonable churchgoer who suddenly turned his back on the church due to the WORKS of their pastors and the pastors whose attitude irritated their followers to the extent that those ones concluded that God doesn't exist, who are the real atheists?

This is an unreasonable poser.

It is not unreasonable for a church goer to keep away from his erring church and pastors based on the sinfullnesses you described that they do.

Then it is further unreasonable to join him with an "i hate God" person.

A person who loves God must hate sin. An atheists as they have over proven is happiest when in sin, thus, the 2 do not meet like north and south.

And besides your post was directed at atheists, thus, it was very unfair and unjust to add churchgoers who are running from sins, to it.

vdestro:

This is an unreasonable poser.
It is not unreasonable for a church goer to keep away from his erring church and pastors based on the sinfullnesses you described that they do.
Then it is further unreasonable to join him with an "i hate God" person.
A person who loves God must hate sin. An atheists as they have over proven is happiest when in sin, thus, the 2 do not meet like north and south.
And besides your post was directed at atheists, thus, it was very unfair and unjust to add churchgoers who are running from sins, to it.

First of all you need to know the real meaning of that word "SIN" then we can both check to know how many churchgoers we can vouch for as believers running away from sin?

vdestro:

True but it is not entirely their fault for before today, both devils and those who did not know where wickedly and wrongly teaching people that God was like their personal babalawo or genie in a bottle, looking for anyone who takes Him to grant their wishes.

Who taught them that God grant wishes?

vdestro:

Then it is further unreasonable to join him with an "i hate God" person.
A person who loves God must hate sin. An atheists as they have over proven is happiest when in sin, thus, the 2 do not meet like north and south.

Most Bible readers lack understanding and critical thinking skills so when talking about sin they often misconstrue sin with what people do to enjoy themselves.
The true God is a happy God {1Timothy 1:11} so He wants His worshipers to be happy {Act 20:35} and as creatures made in God's image humans always love to be happy.
But then we need to distinguish between what really saddens God's heart and things we do due to ignorance. For instance our forefathers were worshipers of idols and they don't know anything about God's word other than what the priests of their deities tells them so what will happen to them on the day of judgment since they were doing all that in ignorance?

Jesus the son of God answered:

“Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” Luke 23:34

If we have seen Jesus we don't need to ask again what his father will do in some case where Jesus has told us what to expect! John 14:9 compare to 1Corinthians 2:16

So even though many people joyfully commit what is detestable to God daily they will not be held responsible for what they're ignorantly doing wrongly it's until someone told them and make them understand it's then that what they're doing becomes sin that's condemning them. Romans 10:14 compare to 1John 5:17

That's why you need to distinguish between the sin that God will never forgive and sin that's pardonable! Matthew 12:31-32

They are ignorant ppl who have refused to know themselves. When you know yourself you will know that you are a divine one or a deity in human terbanacle/wearing costumes/clothes/a body. When you know you are a divine one in a body, you will also know their are divine ones without bodies/gods and also know their is a creator of all divinities seen and unseen. All were made for a purpose. Lesser gods first rule this earth before modern humans were created. Every place on earth, water bodies, mountains etc is a territory of a god. This is why some offer libations and say somethings and gbam they commune with them. Gods who mastered their acts or the best in that act while on earth are god of that act. This why we have god of war, thunder etc and science. Those you call athiest believe or trust in science but don't know their is a god in charge of science. So they worship a god/deity but don't know. Lesser gods rule this earth. It is in your bible. So the so called athiest are just ignorant

bobestman:

So they worship a god/deity but don't know. Lesser gods rule this earth. It is in your bible. So the so called athiest are just ignorant!

Why not wait for the person you said will later come and spread the knowledge?
I expected you to continue waiting instead of jumping from thread to thread arguing when you have said the one coming to spread the knowledge will later come!

MaxInDHouse:

Why not wait for the person you said will later come and spread the knowledge?
I expected you to continue waiting instead of jumping from thread to thread arguing when you have said the one coming to spread the knowledge will later come!

This is why you will remain a slave forever to JWs. When you see sth you should ponder and learn from you thrash them to teach your JW nonsense. The one you all call God and worship in your religion is amun/amen the god of this world not the God of heaven who made all things. Your Jesus is a person the deeds of the true messiah was credited to. Not him or even his name. You ppl are decieved but don't know. This is why the time of correction or restitution will come for all to know the truth. That message is what will condemn or save anyone - Rev 14:6 not the error you all teach in your circus centres aka churches. I can teach your GB let alone a brainwashed one like you who should be learning. Wait for it

bobestman:
Wait for it

This is what you said everyone should do but i wonder why you're now resuming the office of the coming Christ whom you said will TEACH all mankind.
So take your own advice and

"Wait for it"

MaxInDHouse:


This is what you said everyone should do but i wonder why you're now resuming the office of the coming Christ whom you said will TEACH all mankind.
So take your own advice and

Will your brainwashing even make you understand? We are in the age. The signs that will bring it are even in your bible. God will not judge you for what happened 3000 yrs ago you were not there. Sth that was corrupted many times before your time. He would rather bring it in your time with clear signs and evidence to witness to you in a way you understand. Then if you reject you know wrath. My message is not for the religious cos they have already suited themselves with errors. They will never get it. It will surely come and you all will be humbled. Just like the Creator told Abraham, they are not even up 10 that knew the truth and secret of this world and cos of that the world will burn again. Through the few shall the many come. You are all in error

ADVERSE
TO
HIGHEST
IN
ESTIMABLE
SUPREME
THEORY.

Wait o!

Are you saying people shouldn't wait anymore for the perfect teacher?

bobestman:
Will your brainwashing even make you understand? We are in the age. The signs that will bring it are even in your bible. God will not judge you for what happened 3000 yrs ago you were not there. Sth that was corrupted many times before your time. He would rather bring it in your time with clear signs and evidence to witness to you in a way you understand. Then if you reject you know wrath. My message is not for the religious cos they have already suited themselves with errors. They will never get it. It will surely come and you all will be humbled. Just like the Creator told Abraham, they are not even up 10 that knew the truth and secret of this world and cos of that the world will burn again. Through the few shall the many come. You are all in error

MaxInDHouse:


Most Bible readers lack understanding and critical thinking skills so when talking about sin they often misconstrue sin with what people do to enjoy themselves.
The true God is a happy God {1Timothy 1:11} so He wants His worshipers to be happy {Act 20:35} and as creatures made in God's image humans always love to be happy.
But then we need to distinguish between what really saddens God's heart and things we do due to ignorance. For instance our forefathers were worshipers of idols and they don't know anything about God's word other than what the priests of their deities tells them so what will happen to them on the day of judgment since they were doing all that in ignorance?

Jesus the son of God answered:

“Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” Luke 23:34

If we have seen Jesus we don't need to ask again what his father will do in some case where Jesus has told us what to expect! John 14:9 compare to 1Corinthians 2:16

So even though many people joyfully commit what is detestable to God daily they will not be held responsible for what they're ignorantly doing wrongly it's until someone told them and make them understand it's then that what they're doing becomes sin that's condemning them. Romans 10:14 compare to 1John 5:17

That's why you need to distinguish between the sin that God will never forgive and sin that's pardonable! Matthew 12:31-32

This is you departing from the thread though i know what you are trying to do, however, you can still achieve your purposes even if you stay on point.

MaxInDHouse:


Who taught them that God grant wishes?

Not relevant.

MaxInDHouse:

First of all you need to know the real meaning of that word "SIN" then we can both check to know how many churchgoers we can vouch for as believers running away from sin?

We all know what sin is so this is irrelevant.

Point is, that you have done that which is not good in pairing those who love sin with those running away from sin.

vdestro:

Not relevant.

Jesus said it is because if they weren't taught like that they won't be thinking that way.
That's what Jesus meant when he said
"by their fruits you will know them" {Matthew 7:16}
The fruit here connotes what results from the teachings of those false prophets, if they are good trees they will yield positive results {Matthew 7:17-18} no JW can say he's expecting God to favour him in this trouble world because Jesus never taught us that we will be favoured materially speaking during the last days!

vdestro:

This is you departing from the thread though i know what you are trying to do, however, you can still achieve your purposes even if you stay on point.

vdestro:

We all know what sin is so this is irrelevant.
Point is, that you have done that which is not good in pairing those who love sin with those running away from sin.

Ọmọ you know nothing about sin you're just been forward sin is not what those churches told you it's deeper than that!

MaxInDHouse:

Ọmọ you know nothing about sin you're just been forward sin is not what those churches told you it's deeper than that!

There goes your fake pretense at being reasonable.

Even before churches came people knew what sin was but this is not the issue, so carry your madness and pretense away from me, for now everyone can see you are fake!

MaxInDHouse:

Jesus said it is because if they weren't taught like that they won't be thinking that way.
That's what Jesus meant when he said
"by their fruits you will know them" {Matthew 7:16}
The fruit here connotes what results from the teachings of those false prophets, if they are good trees they will yield positive results {Matthew 7:17-18} no JW can say he's expecting God to favour him in this trouble world because Jesus never taught us that we will be favoured materially speaking during the last days!

You are talking to plants.

vdestro:

Even before churches came people knew what sin was

So everyone knows that calling upon idols and praying to images is sin, shey?

vdestro:

You are talking to plants.

So do you now agree that they were churchy and what the false prophets you call pastors taught them led to all these?