Ulunne777:
And this is the right place to bring it so that unbelievers will put mouth?
Your church has deacons,elders and church board.Tgey will sort it out.

Lol. The deacons, elders and church board probably belong to one caucus or another and their loyalty most times are usually compromised.

LegallyBlunt:
Good day everyone. For a couple of weeks now, there has been issues where I worship.

Mostly between the Pastor and his assistant (presently former assistant). They had a falling out, which escalated to a point where the assistant stopped his duties.

Now, I managed to ask questions about the issue and the Pastor gave his version. I also got to know about the assistant's version.

However, here's the issue - they're not in speaking terms! Isn't that malice? Isn't that dangerous, and a deviation from what Christians ought to do? Are they not in danger of hell and manipulation from the devil and agents of sin?

What's even more painful is that the church just continues like there's no issue on ground. It's sad, really.

It's seems they've forgotten what the bible they're reading every day said about malice, I'll suggest you call both of them to order and talk them, remind them of the dangers of what they're doing.


May God give you the wisdom to settle the issue. The devil is really at work.

OkCornel:


Good morning and welcome to “church” politics.

Isn’t it amazing how two people keeping grudges on earth are under the illusion of making into heaven to hold hands together and sing kumbayah over there?

What a joke.

Your premise is false and so is your conclusion.

Human beings will always have conflict.

It is a fine lunge for you move from two people are qurelling to assuming they are not making heaven (you don't belive in the heaven anyways)

Those fellows had a disagreement, beef, everybody has beefs, even the greatest apostles of the faith like Peter and Paul, what is remarkable is that in the end, forgiveness and understanding happens.

You nor I do not know if these fellas are already in the process of reconciliation or understanding, it could be happening this very minuite or in the next two weeks.

Don't be too quick to cast aspersions on people and their beleive, you have your believes, I have mine (on the last day all man eye go clear including mine) but don't try to make a point out of two human beings having a beef, it doesn't show off much Intelligence.

Truthee:


Your premise is false and so is your conclusion.

Human beings will always have conflict.

It is a fine lunge for you move from two people are qurelling to assuming they are not making heaven (you don't belive in the heaven anyways)

Those fellows had a disagreement, beef, everybody has beefs, even the greatest apostles of the faith like Peter and Paul, what is remarkable is that in the end, forgiveness and understanding happens.

You nor I do not know if these fellas are already in the process of reconciliation or understanding, it could be happening this very minuite or in the next two weeks.

Don't be too quick to cast aspersions on people and their beleive, you have your believes, I have mine (on the last day all man eye go clear including mine) but don't try to make a point out of two human beings having a beef, it doesn't show off much Intelligence.

Please tell Jesus his premise is faulty here.

Matthew 5 v 23-24;

23 “Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you,

24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift.

From the OPs article, the malice has been going on for a couple of weeks now.

And within this timeframe, the parties involved attended church, prayed and dropped offerings right?

I am a victim of this unfortunate incident. I happened to be unofficial assistant to by boss in an establishment He preached to me to join deeper life church which I initially objected to because I know him to be a religious bigot and I did not want to be having any religious issues with him. To cut the story short, after much persuasion and "silent" threat, I obliged after threatening not to come to my rescue in the event that I have any problem. We were getting along, everything was fine. It got to a point I became exhausted with the church activities. He made everything looked as if it was church I was employed to work not the company. I became totally disinterested going forward and eventually stood my stand and stopped. Today, he is my worst enemy after trying everything withing his capacity to get me sacked. As I write this now, we are not on talking terms. He virtually denied me all benefits, privileges and still pushing to sack me... imagine a pastor behaving like this.

Firstly and most important; YOUR SALVATION DOES NOT DEPEND ON HOW A PASTOR BEHAVE OR "SIN". YOUR SALVATION IS BASED ON YOUR FAITH IN THE DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST. Its not because of your "goodness"

Secondly and equally important; NO "SIN" CAN TAKEAWAY THE SALVATION YOU GOT BY FAITH IN JESUS'S DEATH AND RESURRECTION that's a done deal. It doesn't depend on how "righteous" you are.

Thirdly and important too; YOU DON'T NEED TO PRAY IN A CHURCH FOR GOD TO ANSWER YOUR PRAYERS. You're the church itself.

Fourthly, you're free to live your life in peace with everyone even if not talking to some people is what it takes just do it....AS A FAITH-BASED CHRISTIAN YOU DON'T LIVE BY LAWS OF SIN ANYMORE BUT LAW OF LOVE.

LegallyBlunt:
Good day everyone. For a couple of weeks now, there has been issues where I worship.

Mostly between the Pastor and his assistant (presently former assistant). They had a falling out, which escalated to a point where the assistant stopped his duties.

Now, I managed to ask questions about the issue and the Pastor gave his version. I also got to know about the assistant's version.

However, here's the issue - they're not in speaking terms! Isn't that malice? Isn't that dangerous, and a deviation from what Christians ought to do? Are they not in danger of hell and manipulation from the devil and agents of sin?

What's even more painful is that the church just continues like there's no issue on ground. It's sad, really.

Worship with holy minds.
Pastor and his assistant are just displaying their human nature.
Let the elders in the Church come together and settle the issues.
Let togetherness and one accord be the watchword in the place of worship.

LegallyBlunt:
Good day everyone. For a couple of weeks now, there has been issues where I worship.

Mostly between the Pastor and his assistant (presently former assistant). They had a falling out, which escalated to a point where the assistant stopped his duties.

Now, I managed to ask questions about the issue and the Pastor gave his version. I also got to know about the assistant's version.

However, here's the issue - they're not in speaking terms! Isn't that malice? Isn't that dangerous, and a deviation from what Christians ought to do? Are they not in danger of hell and manipulation from the devil and agents of sin?

What's even more painful is that the church just continues like there's no issue on ground. It's sad, really.

Two business partners falling out. The earliest you realize that Church for Nigeria na business, the better for you. Worship wherever and however your heart leads. Good luck

vdestro:


Therefore, it is possible to simply avoid and refuse to talk to a person without wishing him ill or harm, is this correct?

No , at times for the sake of peace , you avoid evil men, I do not think pastors should be evil people

LegallyBlunt:
Good day everyone. For a couple of weeks now, there has been issues where I worship.

Mostly between the Pastor and his assistant (presently former assistant). They had a falling out, which escalated to a point where the assistant stopped his duties.

Now, I managed to ask questions about the issue and the Pastor gave his version. I also got to know about the assistant's version.

However, here's the issue - they're not in speaking terms! Isn't that malice? Isn't that dangerous, and a deviation from what Christians ought to do? Are they not in danger of hell and manipulation from the devil and agents of sin?

What's even more painful is that the church just continues like there's no issue on ground. It's sad, really.

Stay away from church and have peace of mind.

Your so called pastor and his (former) assistant are definitely quarrelling over the pu.si of a chorister,usher or a married female member

OkCornel:


Please tell Jesus his premise is faulty here.

Matthew 5 v 23-24;

23 “Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you,

24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift.

From the OPs article, the malice has been going on for a couple of weeks now.

And within this timeframe, the parties involved attended church, prayed and dropped offerings right?

I see your point sha.

But i also think these folks are aware of this and are probably working out their differences. Human beings are not perfect, even pastors.

Hopefully they get to workout things between themselves. Have a great day chief.

Which God are they then serving ?

LegallyBlunt:
Good day everyone. For a couple of weeks now, there has been issues where I worship.

Mostly between the Pastor and his assistant (presently former assistant). They had a falling out, which escalated to a point where the assistant stopped his duties.

Now, I managed to ask questions about the issue and the Pastor gave his version. I also got to know about the assistant's version.

However, here's the issue - they're not in speaking terms! Isn't that malice? Isn't that dangerous, and a deviation from what Christians ought to do? Are they not in danger of hell and manipulation from the devil and agents of sin?

What's even more painful is that the church just continues like there's no issue on ground. It's sad, really.

Matthew 18: 15-17 (KJV)
15 "Moreover, if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained a brother

16 "But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established."

17 "And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and publican."

Did you speak with both of them together? Or was it separately? Who are you in relation to the pastor and assistant? Are you a trusted and non-biased person who will prayerfully use Godly wisdm?

Of course, none of us knows exactly what the issue is--
However, it is serious enough for the assistant to leave. I'm sure feelings are at a heightened level and no one wants to humble himself.

This is the body of Christ so it is crucial that the situation gets rectified. This is a situation between the lead representative of Christ' church--the pastor--so if it doesn't get handled, it can affect the entire congregation.

If the situation is handled as stated in Matthew, then perhaps it's wise for a temporary or permanent separation between the two. Part ways in as peaceful a manner as possible. Or perhaps one of the two people, should sit down for a moment. Conflict has to be resolved.
It's hard to make a judgment when we don't know the severity of the issue. However, all involved need humility to deal with it.
Specific, prayerful Godly men should sit down with the two and sort out the problem. If needs be and it is eventually brought to the congregation, it should be done in a wise manner and not to cause the folks to stumble.

Billionaire2:
OP- I can bet my July salary, their issue has to do with either Power, Money or Women in the church .. if you dig deeper you’ll understand..

In this age and era, it beats my imagination that people are yet to realize that church is an enterprise and religion as whole is a tool for control and dominance …

How they have not been able to phantom this glaring fact still beats my imagination.

Charismatic107:
Pastor and assistant are keeping malice with each other, I wonder what they will teach their church members. Reason why I worship and say my prayers in my house on Sundays cos e sure me die say I holy pass some pastor.

You that lusted and fornicated last night while reading soft porn is "holy pass some pastor". What is your yardstick for holiness and your self glorification.

Oracleee:


I can bet this church will be winners chapel

maybe redeem... Can't happen in winners...

[quote author=LegallyBlunt post=124288713]Good day everyone. For a couple of weeks now, there has been issues where I worship.

Mostly between the Pastor and his assistant (presently former assistant). They had a falling out, which escalated to a point where the assistant stopped his duties.

Now, I managed to ask questions about the issue and the Pastor gave his version. I also got to know about the assistant's version.

However, here's the issue - they're not in speaking terms! Isn't that malice? Isn't that dangerous, and a deviation from what Christians ought to do? Are they not in danger of hell and manipulation from the devil and agents of sin?

What's even more painful is that the church just continues like there's no issue on ground. It's sad, really.
Bro my candid advice is that you should run for you life if truly you are a pursuant of heaven.the church in the first place is not founded for heavenly purpose,are the pastor's doing what they are preaching? Are they acting "christ like"? Bro,
The fact is that there are some hidden truth are yet to be told if we'll investigated

jullary:
From your story, see for your salvation sake quickly run. This are just people looking for what to eat not to serve God. Alot of people and disciples offended jesus christ but last last try to be a friend and asked for forgiveness for them. So what will your pastor preach on sunday? The bible says once u see them u know them.
Have left alot of churches because of nonsense things like this.i dont want to pray where it wount be answered.the bible says if have any issue with your fellow brother and you are about to pray,he said u should first make peace with that your brother so your prayer can answered.
Don't cage your life ooooo

Come worship with us at the Kingdom Hall. We don't even have a clergy class (Read 23:8-12).

Our overseers take the lead. If we have a sweeping assignment, they might even be the first to start sweeping. They minister to us in both word and deed!

LegallyBlunt:


However, here's the issue - they're not in speaking terms! Isn't that malice? Isn't that dangerous, and a deviation from what Christians ought to do? Are they not in danger of hell and manipulation from the devil and agents of sin?
.

Please Note:

English Dictionary:
Malice means when you wish evil towards your neighbour.

Not talking to someone means you are trying to keep your distance from that person.

The Bible didn't say you are not allowed to keep distance.

In fact for safety reasons, you should keep your distance from people who can harm you.

— Cain had malice towards Abel, yet he was chatting with him and wanted them to stroll together on the fields — Abel never came back.

— Judas had malice towards Jesus, yet he kissed him and greeted Jesus with great respect — before handing him over murderers.

Refusing to talk to someone is not a sin provided you don't have evil wishes towards that person.

You have to protect yourself my dear.

LegallyBlunt:
Good day everyone. For a couple of weeks now, there has been issues where I worship.

Mostly between the Pastor and his assistant (presently former assistant). They had a falling out, which escalated to a point where the assistant stopped his duties.

Now, I managed to ask questions about the issue and the Pastor gave his version. I also got to know about the assistant's version.

However, here's the issue - they're not in speaking terms! Isn't that malice? Isn't that dangerous, and a deviation from what Christians ought to do? Are they not in danger of hell and manipulation from the devil and agents of sin?

What's even more painful is that the church just continues like there's no issue on ground. It's sad, really.

And you are bringing to Social Media for discussion.

Good children go to their father for discussion and not open their unclothedness

Truthee:


I see your point sha.

But i also think these folks are aware of this and are probably working out their differences. Human beings are not perfect, even pastors.

Hopefully they get to workout things between themselves. Have a great day chief.

Yep, we humans ain’t perfect. But bearing grudges and bitterness helps no one.

It’s like swallowing poison but hoping it kills someone else (the person at fault)

Sometimes what we call malice is peace of mind and self respect. Some person cannot be dealt with in any manner so the best is to respect yourself and be at peace with yourself. Salvation is personal between you and your God. If any part of the body with prevent you from going to heaven cut if off. I repeat CUT IT OFF and go to heaven without it instead of going to hell with all of your body.

LegallyBlunt:
Good day everyone. For a couple of weeks now, there has been issues where I worship.

Mostly between the Pastor and his assistant (presently former assistant). They had a falling out, which escalated to a point where the assistant stopped his duties.

Now, I managed to ask questions about the issue and the Pastor gave his version. I also got to know about the assistant's version.

However, here's the issue - they're not in speaking terms! Isn't that malice? Isn't that dangerous, and a deviation from what Christians ought to do? Are they not in danger of hell and manipulation from the devil and agents of sin?

What's even more painful is that the church just continues like there's no issue on ground. It's sad, really.

If na Pentecostal, na normal thing...
Tomorrow assistant will wake up and say God called him to another ministry. E no go tell us say na beef him and his former daddy G.O beef and because of their lack of love, they could not settle. Well, na same way even the former Daddy left his own former church.

Pentecostalism be like virus, Dem dey multiply ministries like cancer, yet different doctrines and little impact to society.

We all are only humans....
No one is entirely perfect...
If they are true to themselves they will find a way through, either together or apart... As long as they can peacefully continue life's journey.

God guide us all....

Thank for sharing this.
This feud show that the presence of the holy spirit is absent in this church.
No matter what happened between these two leaders, they should be able to sort out amicably but it appears the reverse is the case.
You will have to put your feet down on both of them as they are living a lie and deceiving the church. The holy spirit cannot move in such atmosphere at all
You may have to threaten to leave because of your own spiritual health if they refuse to yield to correction.
This is sad though and I pray that God will show them His salvation in Jesus name 🙏

LegallyBlunt:
Good day everyone. For a couple of weeks now, there has been issues where I worship.

Mostly between the Pastor and his assistant (presently former assistant). They had a falling out, which escalated to a point where the assistant stopped his duties.

Now, I managed to ask questions about the issue and the Pastor gave his version. I also got to know about the assistant's version.

However, here's the issue - they're not in speaking terms! Isn't that malice? Isn't that dangerous, and a deviation from what Christians ought to do? Are they not in danger of hell and manipulation from the devil and agents of sin?

What's even more painful is that the church just continues like there's no issue on ground. It's sad, really.

gohf:
malice actually means to have ill feelings and thoughts towards someone, evil intentions, the desire to harm the person

Ordinary not greeting someone, and perpetuating anger is also malice.

vdestro:


Church leaders do not real eyes that there are certain things that they can not do because they are Christians. But of course, when they are not, they are free.

Unfortunately, they don't realeyes that everyone nose.

LegallyBlunt:
Good day everyone. For a couple of weeks now, there has been issues where I worship.

Mostly between the Pastor and his assistant (presently former assistant). They had a falling out, which escalated to a point where the assistant stopped his duties.

Now, I managed to ask questions about the issue and the Pastor gave his version. I also got to know about the assistant's version.

However, here's the issue - they're not in speaking terms! Isn't that malice? Isn't that dangerous, and a deviation from what Christians ought to do? Are they not in danger of hell and manipulation from the devil and agents of sin?

What's even more painful is that the church just continues like there's no issue on ground. It's sad, really.

You didn't tell us the issue so we can know which among the two of them is wrong. Please tell us the whole story. I don't like hearing incomplete story. And in as much as I am concerned, I would love to know the whole story.

What happened to "give the other cheek?", these modern day preachers should learn how to follow the word judiciously. The congregation he's leading are supposed to b taking life lessons from him. My brother, just find another church, this one has a lot of bitterness and resentment.

God will touch their hearts. This is showing you that nobody holy pass, we're all humans

The Pastor has to be the leader here and use the Bible as guidance in such...,. it's temptation, and Christians like every body is susceptible.
He may have been wrong...the assistant maybe,but the command is feed my flock.

Unity is beautiful..... it's where lies the gift....so it's struggle.
Bless the body of Christ.