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@sweetnecta,

you know why this whole religion things seems very complicated, because the Muslims think and feel that they religion is supreme to others. I did mention Boko haram as an islamic thing, because right in your heart, be truthfull about this question I want to ask you. "how many muslims have ever felt sad about the killings, bombings orchestrated by islamic fundamentalist. Really, I want top challenge any muslim cleric to come on air and demonstrate true federalism in this country alone.

9/11 was executed by islamic fundamentalist openely and muslims rejoiced for victory all over the world. Victory against innocent people, lets face the fact. I am not saying that all muslims are in support of Boko haram, or the killings and bombings happening all over, but the clerics who are the spiritual leaders whom we all assume these fundamentalist do sometime listen to, how many of them have come out to say enough is enough, Islam does not condone violence, how many? Iranian president open declared that Isreal should be wiped out, why, can he create a soul? and when he said that, muslims were in support. Why must it always be killing, violence, cutting people life abruptly, just like that. The idea os the BoKo haram in Nigeria is that Sharia be implemented in every state in the north and if possible, every state in Nigeria. We all know this is impossible, because Nigeria is not an islamic country niether is it into christianity. It is a country of free religion. How many times have other religion forcefully demanded that theirs be instituted in every state in Nigeria?

Listen, if you are in a position to stop this killing, and you have the opportunity to do so, please do, we all have 1 contribution to make in that direction, no matter how small or how big we are, we can start in our homes, by preaching freedom and peaceful co-existence no matter the religion.

This religious thing has to end and let people live their lives normally and peacefully. At the end God is the ultimate judge who will judge every man and everyone according to our deeds here on earth.

i am out of here. Peace be with you all.

@Kurus: « #96 on: Yesterday at 11:15:51 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 11:09:55 PM
2011-1637=374.
But Muhammad was popularly believed to have been born in 570!
If you made a gaff this much, who will believe your making a woman born before revelation only 9 years old after 15 years?
bolded quote from you refers! no one really knows the year. Popularly believed? and secondly, in case you dont realise it, except for islamic countries, no one really cares which islamic year it is. I overshot by 200 years? So what? how does that change the fact that jihad means death to unbelievers in today's world? smh and rubbish!![/Quote]If 200 years is not completely unacceptable between false and what is popularly believed, then I dont know what unacceptable is. Jihad does not mean death to unbelievers. Jihad means struggle. People dont struggle against good. It is not norma to do so. People struggle against evil. That is what Jihad is. I do live in today's world and those rapist in Nigeria could have killed the lady they raped. We all know that no one of them said Alhamdulillah or Laa Ila ha Ilallah Muhammadanr rRasulullah [as] in the process. If a man had stopped them, if he were a muslim, it would have been his Jihad. If he were a non muslim, it would have been Jihad in the islamic understanding of his effort.


[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 11:09:55 PM
2011-1637=374.
But Muhammad was popularly believed to have been born in 570!
If you made a gaff this much, who will believe your making a woman born before revelation only 9 years old after 15 years?
secondly, are you denying the contents of the al quaraani? the account that says the girl in question was 9? abi u know no say na from their the pedophilic practise of muslims marrying baby girls come from? You want to deny? Zamfara senator, former governor and popular pedophine Ahmed yerima is a good case in point.[/Quote]The Quran says a person to be married, male or female can do so upon reaching puberty. There are many signs of puberty. And for women it does not mean breast alone. I do not support the zamfara guy, so a deviant in Christianity is not what Cjristianity is. Or is it? Zamfara man who married an underage should have been dealt with by Nigerian law, if the muslims in his Sharia state can do anything about it. Age 15 is the minimum age penned by muslim scholars as the minimum age of marriage for both boys and girls.


[Quote]While the americans call their country the land of the free and brave, in saudi arabia, the land of the islam, the link details how 1437 years haven't changed things when it comes to violating little girls by muslims grandfathers[/Quote]Saudi is in focus for 2 reasons in the minds of the muslims; the place of the birth of Muhammad's Islam and the place of the rites of hajj and umrah. Just to show you how bent the saudi's are in my eyes, the refusal of women to drive is not part of Islam. Allah says that "the arabs are disbelievers and evildoers". This is in Surah Tauba. While not all arab saudi's are evil, I see them oppressing one another and others in their mist. They take white skin to be their god. If you use people of Jeddah as your example of islam, I will tell you that you need to rethink your position again. Islam is an individual and collective religious path based on Quran and hadith/Sunnah that are in harmony with Quran and not made up to make a false point.


[Quote]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/23/saudi-arabia-human-rights
and i haven't even started on the topic of honour killings, another favourite islamic and muslim past time. Una get wahala sha.
http://www.kawther.info/wpr/2010/08/16/girl-hanged-on-a-tree-in-honor-killing[/Quote]Honor killing is a thing off Islamic. And I wonder why the yoruba muslims don't honor kill? I am a yoruba and there are many yorubas with sound islamic belief. If its acceptable, people would have been doing it left and right. And there is no case of it reported in Yoruba land yet. Do you know of any?


@babestella « #97 on: Today at 07:43:53 AM »
[Quote]@sweetnecta,
you know why this whole religion things seems very complicated, because the Muslims think and feel that they religion is supreme to others. I did mention Boko haram as an islamic thing, because right in your heart, be truthfull about this question I want to ask you. "how many muslims have ever felt sad about the killings, bombings orchestrated by islamic fundamentalist. Really, I want top challenge any muslim cleric to come on air and demonstrate true federalism in this country alone.[/Quote]I almost lost my family member in the place. Only Allah prevented the matter. And there was at least a muslim among the victims. What do you think their people feel? many people grief quietly and this is personal thing. Sincerely God conscious Muslim scholars and ordinary muslims worldwide, expressed outrage and sorrowful sadness when 911 happened, 10 years ago. To say that a muslim is always happy to see live lost is an incorrect statement.


[Quote]9/11 was executed by islamic fundamentalist openely and muslims rejoiced for victory all over the world. Victory against innocent people, lets face the fact.[/Quote]I do live in America and far away Iran stood shoulder to shoulder with USA. No muslim in America was happy and many lost their lives in the process. Today, the condition is getting better. But when it was just fresh, no muslim was save. Not even in NYC. It was open sesame on muslims. Imagine the lives of Muslim in remote part of Iowa? There was nothing fundamentalist about killing innocent lives. And among those who died on 911 were muslims. No muslim openly rejoice at death, even if Ariel Sharon dies today, not all palestinians will be happy because he passed. It has been shown that the palestinians distributing candies was from some old recording and not on the occasion of 911. Please see videos of 911 on www.loosechange.com


[Quote]I am not saying that all muslims are in support of Boko haram, or the killings and bombings happening all over, but the clerics who are the spiritual leaders whom we all assume these fundamentalist do sometime listen to, how many of them have come out to say enough is enough, Islam does not condone violence, how many? Iranian president open declared that Isreal should be wiped out, why, can he create a soul? and when he said that, muslims were in support. Why must it always be killing, violence, cutting people life abruptly, just like that. The idea os the BoKo haram in Nigeria is that Sharia be implemented in every state in the north and if possible, every state in Nigeria. We all know this is impossible, because Nigeria is not an islamic country niether is it into christianity. It is a country of free religion. How many times have other religion forcefully demanded that theirs be instituted in every state in Nigeria?[/Quote]When Sunday is a day off work, please know that Christianity has it good in colonial Nigeria, while Friday is go to pray and return to work. While I do not support the ignorant boko haraam, it is in the way i do not support any one who wishes to snuff out lives of anyone, especially the innocent. Yet islam expresses forgiveness when evil is done, hoping only in God. Almost all zionists wish Palestinians be out of palestine, because they are not from Abraham. Such a lie from Benjamin Natanyahu claiming that Benjamin, the son of Jacob walked the land of palestine, forgetting that Ishmael did the same before the grandfather of Benjamin, Isaac by 13 years. Dr Lateef Adegbite and many muslim scholars or dignitaries came to America in 2001 and other time, showing their islamic sorrowfulness and solidarity with america and the world in goodness. Prince Talah, the saudi businessman billionaire donated funds which was rejected then mayor gulianni of NYC, as a form of soundbite in effort to libel Islam. Fundamentalism is returning to the root of what you believe in. And islam, its fundamentalism is preserve lives and forgive and repel evil with good.


[Quote]Listen, if you are in a position to stop this killing, and you have the opportunity to do so, please do, we all have 1 contribution to make in that direction, no matter how small or how big we are, we can start in our homes, by preaching freedom and peaceful co-existence no matter the religion.[/Quote]All i have ever stood for is wholesomeness of islam. Its goodness. its Godliness. I do not force my belief on anyone and i do not say that a person abandon his religion at all cost. religion is choice, so among people i know are jews and christians and others, including hindus and buddhists. if a person dies, he will have no chance to change religion. that will be it. if a person is killed, he will have to chance to even investigate, thoroughly or change his mind later about any thing, including religion. in my family, unfortunately, i have christians. many have died as christians. those who are still alive, i simply remind them of my love for them, now on earth and that we will definitely be looked at by the same religion. Hence our destination will not be the same. I maintain my blood relationship with muslims and non muslims alike. If i have the platform to talk to anyone, muslim or non muslim, i will encourage them to preserve life and do good for the sake of God.


[Quote]This religious thing has to end and let people live their lives normally and peacefully. At the end God is the ultimate judge who will judge every man and everyone according to our deeds here on earth.
i am out of here. Peace be with you all.[/Quote]Every religion has ts good. Some their evil. We need to judge the practitioners by their religious books. Then we can judge the books against one another until we pick the best. Then we judge the best by our understanding of God. Is God free to determine what is good and what is bad? Ultimate morality is with God, alone. I thank God for this opportunity. And I thank you for raising these issues about Islam.

kurus:

You don't have to wonder! Europeans now openly confess that they do not believe in God anymore. If they do not believe in God, whatever they now believe in is NOT God. Since you claim they are accepting islam in droves now, allah obviously is NOT God; allah is either a tin god(since jihadist do his fighting for him: that translates to allah being an idol) or allah is some fancy hedonistic talisman that  pedophilic minded individuals allure their minds with.

Your ignorance is beyond pathetic; I suppose the crusades were fought in your name.

kcswat:

hehehe. who build dubai, who r d architechs of dubai,who is drilling n buyiing there oil, why cant u ask urself why r american n european citizen dont need visa to enter while most islamic country need visa n most were evn denied visa huh.malaysia is good because there own islam r liberal,they club,drink alchohol n they dont cage there women.go to malay n feel u r in europe. islam sucks 4real n most moslems knw.

See ignorance again. I repeat; it is because Muslims are so blood-thirsty that Christians with hatred for Islam like you are trooping to Dubai, Qatar, Malaysia, Libya, Egypt everyday to get "killed".

@poster. I bet a $1,ooo, you would have your head sliced off by your muslim brothers in the middle east if you try to redefine the jihad they know as what you are preaching on this forum.

call it or paint it any colour, we know the true meaning of Jihad.
who is fooling who?

webdezzi:

call it or paint it any colour, we know the true meaning of Jihad.
who is fooling who?

well said(written)

unless you are the one who coined the word, or you are a specialist in the language from which the word is spoken, you will never know its true meaning.

a yoruba friend of mine is very good in igbo language. so when he met an igbo man many moons ago, they began to go toe to toe in the igbo proverbs.

suddenly the igbo man remarked about this yoruba man not having the igbo blood in his veins. this statement is very profound because the strong sound of its ringing bell is that this yoruba man can't put himself in an authentic igbo family environment.

as good as he is, the egba boy's great grandparents, grandparents, parents were not his igbo language resources.


if a yoruba word is spoken, even if all i can get of it is the eko understanding, i can ask many in my family who upon hearing it from me will give me a deep and full meaning, which my yoruba mind will grasp, immediately, being shon of the shoil.


until you are son of the arabic soil, which you will never be, you will not know anything about Jihad except what you hear from your puppet masters. even non muslim arabs can't quite get the full thrust of Quranic expression. Jihad is one of those espressions. I am in Jihad with you now by merely responding to you with the fingers cranking out the words.

maclatunji:

See ignorance again. I repeat; it is because Muslims are so blood-thirsty that Christians with hatred for Islam like you are trooping to Dubai, Qatar, Malaysia, Libya, Egypt everyday to get "killed".

hmm they are actually getting killed in Egypt and Libya.

Secondly "christians" are NOT trooping to those countries, rather europeans and american capitalists with an eye on vast oil resources and untapped construction market are trooping there to MAKE MONEY not to live there. Take away oil, there would be no one trooping into the desert. Be honest for once.

davidylan:

hmm they are actually getting killed in Egypt and Libya.

Secondly "christians" are NOT trooping to those countries, rather europeans and american capitalists with an eye on vast oil resources and untapped construction market are trooping there to MAKE MONEY not to live there. Take away oil, there would be no one trooping into the desert. Be honest for once.

Based on what factors? Guy, talk wetin you know- You wan try how Ibo boys they rush Dubai and Qatar? Even Christian business women, ask Patience Jonathan. No matter how you try to spin it, Christians are rushing to these countries for the good life. Majority of Nigerian immigrants in Libya are not Muslims- if they are getting killed, it is not because of their religion and it is not a huge percentage (though every unnecessary loss of life is deplorable and regrettable).

Go to Agadez in Niger. There are plenty Christian Nigerians hustling there waiting to raise money to cross into Libya en route Europe. The Muslims there could be killing them everyday if we are to believe what most ignorant Christians on Nairaland post.

this is actually a dumb and incoherent post. What are you saying?

maclatunji:

Based on what factors? Guy, talk wetin you know- You wan try how Ibo boys they rush Dubai and Qatar?

Mainly for business purposes right? Take away oil and the construction industry no one would be going there. Reduce immigration difficulties to Europe and north america . . . how many arabs do you think would remain in those countries?

maclatunji:

Even Christian business women, ask Patience Jonathan. No matter how you try to spin it, Christians are rushing to these countries for the good life. Majority of Nigerian immigrants in Libya are not Muslims- if they are getting killed, it is not because of their religion and it is not a huge percentage (though every unnecessary loss of life is deplorable and regrettable).

Again no sense here. Are they rushing there BECAUSE they are christians fleeing persecution in their countries for the freedom of say Libya or Qatar? No . . . most of these "christians" you claim arent even serious christians to start with. Most are simply non-muslim . . . doesnt make them christian right?

Secondly like i mentioned earlier . . . far more are fleeing for christian europe and north america . . . tighter immigration rules accounts for the few that have decided to move to Dubai in frustration. If Nigeria were 50% as good as qatar . . . no one would be going to qatar for anything.

maclatunji:

Go to Agadez in Niger. There are plenty Christian Nigerians hustling there waiting to raise money to cross into Libya en route Europe. The Muslims there could be killing them everyday if we are to believe what most ignorant Christians on Nairaland post.

So they are not going to agadez to live there because it offers anything to them . . . it is simply a route to europe right?

davidylan:

this is actually a dumb and incoherent post. What are you saying?

Mainly for business purposes right? Take away oil and the construction industry no one would be going there. Reduce immigration difficulties to Europe and north america . . . how many arabs do you think would remain in those countries?
Again no sense here. Are they rushing there BECAUSE they are christians fleeing persecution in their countries for the freedom of say Libya or Qatar? No . . . most of these "christians" you claim arent even serious christians to start with. Most are simply non-muslim . . . doesnt make them christian right?[/b]Secondly like i mentioned earlier . . . far more are fleeing for christian europe and north america . . . tighter immigration rules accounts for the few that have decided to move to Dubai in frustration. If Nigeria were 50% as good as qatar . . . no one would be going to qatar for anything.

[b]So they are not going to agadez to live there because it offers anything to them . . . it is simply a route to europe right?

You are arguing out of point- Remember, we Muslims according to you and your likes are assumed to be a bunch of "mindless blood thirsty savages." Hence, it would not matter whether you go to Muslim dominated countries for business or pleasure, the "savagery" you ascribe to us does not discriminate at all. It is supposedly "Kill every Christian" you see.

Or are you now saying that the above cannot be true?

Narated By Al-Walid bin 'Aizar : I heard Abi Amr 'Ash-Shaibani saying, "The owner of this house." he pointed to 'Abdullah's house, "said, 'I asked the Prophet 'Which deed is loved most by Allah?" He replied, 'To offer prayers at their early (very first) stated times.'" 'Abdullah asked, "What is the next (in goodness)?" The Prophet said, "To be good and dutiful to one's parents," 'Abdullah asked, "What is the next (in goodness)?" The Prophet said, To participate in Jihad for Allah's Cause." 'Abdullah added, "The Prophet narrated to me these three things, and if I had asked more, he would have told me more."

maclatunji:

You are arguing out of point- Remember, we Muslims according to you and your likes are assumed to be a bunch of "mindless blood thirsty savages." Hence, it would not matter whether you go to Muslim dominated countries for business or pleasure, the "savagery" you ascribe to us does not discriminate at all. It is supposedly "Kill every Christian" you see.

Or are you now saying that the above cannot be true?

you seem to be arguing from a confused point of view. The fact that a large number of muslims are moderate does not mean islam is not a violent and reprehensible cult masquerading as a religion.
If islamic nations are as "wonderful" as you're trying too desperately to portray then why are you living in a christian country? Shouldnt you be in Iran?

define what is a cult.

define what is a religion.

marry islam to one of them.

christian country?

where? name on and put maclatunji in it.

for 1.5 billion as in boy people, iran may just be too over crowded if we all make it the only land for islam.


not all of us want to live in Makka, the mother of the town.

davidylan:

you seem to be arguing from a confused point of view. The fact [/b]that [b]a large number of muslims are moderate does not mean islam is not a violent and reprehensible cult masquerading as a religion.
If islamic nations are as "wonderful" as you're trying too desperately to portray then why are you living in a christian country? Shouldnt you be in Iran?

 

Awwwww, even after you have been boxed into a corner you are still yapping the same old rhetoric that has been embedded in your mind over time. You need help! So in your opinion, Nigeria is a Christian country.

David tell me the truth, do you take hallucinogenic substances?

maclatunji:

 

Awwwww, even after you have been boxed into a corner you are still yapping the same old rhetoric that has been embedded in your mind over time. You need help! So in your opinion, Nigeria is a Christian country.

David tell me the truth, do you take hallucinogenic substances?

i dont understand, boxed into what corner? The usual resorting to ad hominems when there's nothing else to say?
I mean there are websites that actually take the herculean task of recording every single case of muslim violence . . . just for example - Iran, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Libya . . . we dont nee to "yap old rhetoric" in the face of such monumental evidence. But its far better to throw insults than to face facts. I understand you quite clearly . . . the thrashing efforts of a man drowning in his own ignorance and deceit.

davidylan:

i dont understand, boxed into what corner? The usual resorting to ad hominems when there's nothing else to say?
I mean there are websites that actually take the herculean task of recording every single case of muslim violence . . . just for example - Iran, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Libya . . . we dont nee to "yap old rhetoric" in the face of such monumental evidence. But its far better to throw insults than to face facts. I understand you quite clearly . . . the thrashing efforts of a man drowning in his own ignorance and deceit.

I boxed you into the corner of accepting that most Muslims are peaceful (see bolded).

davidylan:

you seem to be arguing from a confused point of view. [b]The fact that a large number of muslims are moderate [/b]does not mean islam is not a violent and reprehensible cult masquerading as a religion.
If islamic nations are as "wonderful" as you're trying too desperately to portray then why are you living in a christian country? Shouldnt you be in Iran?

David, do you have parents who are/were Muslims or did a Muslim hurt you sometime in the past because you seem to be on a never-ending quest to prove to yourself (though you pretend to prove to others) that Islam/Muslims are bad.

maclatunji:



I boxed you into the corner of accepting that most Muslims are peaceful (see bolded).

quite a dumb and meaningless assertion. Lets say only 5% of 1.5bn muslims are violent (as a direct result of the violent injunctions of the quran) . . . that leaves us with about 75million VIOLENT thugs for allah . . . more than enough to drown the entire world in suicide bombings, terrorist attacks, severe restrictions of freedom . . .

and you claim you "boxed me into a corner"? Really?

maclatunji:

David, do you have parents who are/were Muslims or did a Muslim hurt you sometime in the past because you seem to be on a never-ending quest to prove to yourself (though you pretend to prove to others) that Islam/Muslims are bad.

i simply need to visit ground zero, listen to the foiled assassination attempt by Iran, watch the incessant killings in northern nigeria that claimed a dear friend and nearly swallowed an uncle, read the news on happenings in Iraq, Gaza, pakistan, afghanistan, syria, disappearing coptic christians in Egypt, extremely tight airport security so we dont all get blown up allahu akbar in the air . . . and you need more evidence of islam's intolerant, hostile and wicked nature? You sir are deaf, blind and mute to facts.

davidylan:

quite a dumb and meaningless assertion. Lets say only 5% of 1.5bn muslims are violent (as a direct result of the violent injunctions of the quran) . . . that leaves us with about 75million VIOLENT thugs for allah . . . more than enough to drown the entire world in suicide bombings, terrorist attacks, severe restrictions of freedom . . .

and you claim you "boxed me into a corner"? Really?

i simply need to visit ground zero, listen to the foiled assassination attempt by Iran, watch the incessant killings in northern nigeria that claimed a dear friend and nearly swallowed an uncle, read the news on happenings in Iraq, Gaza, pakistan, afghanistan, syria, disappearing coptic christians in Egypt, extremely tight airport security so we dont all get blown up allahu akbar in the air . . . and you need more evidence of islam's intolerant, hostile and wicked nature? You sir are deaf, blind and mute to facts.

I would have been touched by your humanity if it wasn't so selective- I am sure you do not really pity the over 10,000 civilians that have been killed in Afghanistan in the last 5 years due to NATO's war on the Taliban. Let me guess- NATO is there to protect their innocent people- Well NATO is killing innocent Afghan civilians whilst it is at it.

Or was it Afghan Civilians that bombed the World Trade Center? You see your humanitarian disposition is largely myopic and not realistic.

@ maclatunji, u should av known davidylan for whom he is. He is never here for anything objective. He is always on the defensive- a waste of time.

lol, dont be too scared now! we are nice people!!

maclatunji:

I would have been touched by your humanity if it wasn't so selective- I am sure you do not really pity the over 10,000 civilians that have been killed in Afghanistan in the last 5 years due to NATO's war on the Taliban. Let me guess- NATO is there to protect their innocent people- Well NATO is killing innocent Afghan civilians whilst it is at it.

Or was it Afghan Civilians that bombed the World Trade Center? You see your humanitarian disposition is largely myopic and not realistic.

that's quite dumb because i have also been vocal that the wars in afghanistan and iraq is completely misguided and should be ended. thankfully the Iraq war is winding down by dec. I could care less about muslims killing muslims . . . its what they do best . . . no surprise. i'd be more worried if an american life was sacrificed for a violent jihadist.

what baffles me d most is d share hypocracy of these christians. is it not from their master of contradiction - shameless plagiarism by many thieving, lying authors of the book (i.e bible) that they derived d inspiration to blindly support d atrocities of zionists criminality in palestine? is it not from dis same very dangerous books dat apartheid south africa was created and murders were committed? when dey were murdering each other at d turn of d 20th centuary, were d muslims from d mideasr, africa & asia not partaking in saving d almost extinct jews? the questionb is if these versus of d Qu'an not stated d truth in respect of u christians & ur jew masters. a quick glance @ d history of Palestine in d past 60yrs will definately proves d Word of Allah.

aurenflani:

what baffles me d most is d share hypocracy of these christians. is it not from their master of contradiction - shameless plagiarism by many thieving, lying authors of the book (i.e bible) that they derived d inspiration to blindly support d atrocities of zionists criminality in palestine? is it not from dis same very dangerous books dat apartheid south africa was created and murders were committed? when dey were murdering each other at d turn of d 20th centuary, were d muslims from d mideasr, africa & asia not partaking in saving d almost extinct jews? the questionb is if these versus of d Qu'an not stated d truth in respect of u christians & your jew masters. a quick glance @ d history of Palestine in d past 60yrs will definately proves d Word of Allah.

All their Hypocrisy has been imparted on them by Paul, the self appointed apostle? Ask this Islam is violent cry babies was it Muslims that started the two World Wars? this wars killed a combined 100s of millions of people? ask Daviddeludian why Christians in Europe spent the better part of the lst ten centuries killing the Jews for their ancestors "crime" of killing Christ? I think this shows how brainwashed an individual can be, that is why the issue of religion one must be careful!

Huh.......