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Re: JESUS CAME TO FULFILL MOSES LAW GIVEN BY GOD by Corrections: 7:46am On Aug 12, 2023
Anyone that says that Moses law was wrong or faulty is directly saying that God that gave the law was faulty and that he doesn't know what he was doing as Almighty God. The law of Moses was good (God's law) but it was the people that were faulty or WEAKENED with SIN (as human) so that they couldn't meet up with what the law demands. But God is a merciful God so he decided to show humankind mercy by transforming the same law into something they ( us the people full of sin ) could easily practice unlike before by sending JESUS to the world.

Matthew 5: 17-19
17“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18“For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19“Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

It's still the same law of Moses that we practice in a transformed form so that it can be easily practiced by us courtesy "God's mercy" inorder to redeem mankind.

One may not need to stone an aldulterer to death before such adulterer is punished


(Rom. 12:20—21).
“Do not repay evil with evil. If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head” (Burning coal on your enemies head? Does it sound good? The law of moses still plays out!!!)
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Re: JESUS CAME TO FULFILL MOSES LAW GIVEN BY GOD by Corrections: 7:41am On Aug 30, 2023
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Re: JESUS CAME TO FULFILL MOSES LAW GIVEN BY GOD by sonmvayina(m): 4:30pm On Aug 30, 2023
The writers of the New Testament argue that they are part of the covenant mentioned in Jeremiah, but they reject the importance of the law, which is a fundamental condition of the covenant. In order to be part of the covenant, one must adhere to the laws.

II Kings 17:13 states that God warned Israel and Judah through prophets and visions, instructing them to repent, keep His commandments and statutes, and follow the entire Law given to their ancestors. By following the laws of Moses, one cannot follow any other teachings.

It is clear from the Torah that God will send a prophet through Israel, and this prophet will urge the people to repent and return to God by following His ways. Every chapter emphasizes that God is angry because Israel has strayed from the Torah and engaged in idol worship. The verse before this one explains why God was angry, as Israel worshipped idols despite God's command not to do so.

Jews are prohibited from possessing items with symbols of idol worship. God dislikes any images of humans, angels, or anything in heaven or hell that may represent Him. If any of these images are used to represent God, it is considered idol worship.

True Torah keepers are genuine followers of God and are completely devoted to Him alone. Those who adopt the practices of other nations are followers, but the warning in this passage was specifically directed towards the nation of Israel, not the nations of the world. Therefore, a Jew must not follow any gods worshipped by other nations.

The true prophet's message is to repent and return to God through the laws of Moses, without claiming any personal credit or advocating for worship or reliance on himself.

Aaron addressed Moses with respect, calling him "my master," despite being his elder brother. Joshua also referred to Moses as "my master" and requested the elimination of those who rebelled against Moses, as it was seen as rebelling against God Himself. The masters of Torah should be honored, but this does not mean they are divine.

One should not rely on others who have learned from a teacher to fulfill the Torah, but must personally pursue the teachings of the teacher. There is a distinction between learning from a disciple and learning directly from the teacher.

Proverbs 3 states that one should not forget the Torah and should keep God's commandments in their heart. The discipline and chastening of God should not be despised, as it is a sign of His love. One should not rely on their own understanding but rather trust in God.

The world to come serves as a reward for fulfilling commandments in this world. Whether for gentiles through universal commandments or for Jews with their specific commandments, everyone has the opportunity to merit the world to come.

Ten generations from Adam until Noah illustrate God's patience, as despite continuously angering Him, the flood only came upon them later. Ten generations from Noah until Abraham show that Abraham did good deeds on behalf of all of them.

David, king of Israel, considered Achitofel his teacher and preceptor. This demonstrates that everyone, regardless of their knowledge, can learn something from others.

There is no honor greater than Torah, and Proverbs 3:35 states that the wise inherit honor. Good comes from God and His Torah alone, as stated in Proverbs 4:2.

In summary, the covenant mentioned in Jeremiah requires adherence to the laws. The Torah emphasizes the importance of repentance, following the laws, and avoiding idol worship(like the worship of a man,like Christians do of je.us).True prophets urge people to return to God through the laws, without claiming any personal glory. The masters of Torah should be respected, as they can impart knowledge, but they are not divine. Trust should be placed in God rather than relying on one's own understanding. The world to come is a reward for those who fulfill commandments. Everyone has the ability to learn from others, and the ultimate source of good is God and His Torah.
Re: JESUS CAME TO FULFILL MOSES LAW GIVEN BY GOD by sonmvayina(m): 4:32pm On Aug 30, 2023
MrPRevailer:
Jesus came to fulfill the law of Atonement.

In Moses law, blood of animals covers sin. Leviticus chapter 1,3,4,5,6
In the new Law, Blood of Jesus washes away sin. Hebrew 9:22

What is Atonement?
State the law of atonement..

Thanks..
Re: JESUS CAME TO FULFILL MOSES LAW GIVEN BY GOD by sonmvayina(m): 4:35pm On Aug 30, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:


He also fulfilled all The other Laws eg loving God, honoured his parents, did not take anyone's wife, did Judgment, upheld the poor in his cause, did not have respect of person etc.

If he fulfilled all..does that not mean that is doable by us....
Is keeping the laws not what determines if we are righteous or not?
Is there anywhere God said his son was coming to change all that?

That is what you have failed woefully to present..
Re: JESUS CAME TO FULFILL MOSES LAW GIVEN BY GOD by sonmvayina(m): 4:39pm On Aug 30, 2023
Ken4Christ:


You are so full of ignorance on this subject.

The verse or passage it's taken from simply means that the presence of the Law created enmity between the Jews and the Gentiles. This is why there were constant battle that happened between the Jews and the Gentile nations around them.

And that same law stood as a wall separating the Jews and the Gentiles. The King James calls it middle wall of partition.

But when Jesus abolished the law of Moses, the wall separating us has been broken and we are now one in Christ.

There is no more special preference for the Jews. We are equal rights before God. We are now fellow heirs and fellow citizens of God's kingdom.

This is the central message of Ephesians chapter two and three.
Did God ever say somebody was coming to abolish his laws?..

Where did the Romans and Greeks get the idea from?
Re: JESUS CAME TO FULFILL MOSES LAW GIVEN BY GOD by Dtruthspeaker: 2:21pm On Aug 31, 2023
sonmvayina:


If he fulfilled all..does that not mean that is doable by us....
Is keeping the laws not what determines if we are righteous or not?

Isn't this what i have always said since I came to nairaland?

sonmvayina:

Is there anywhere God said his son was coming to change all that?

That is what you have failed woefully to present..

Is it not God and His Son Who gave The Law?
Does God not have a right to send anyone including His Son?

And doesn't the bible clearly show that all the people (Prophets) whom God sent did not fulfil the criteria of the Messiah until, He Who is called Jesus Christ?

It is very very clear for all to see and that is why no reasonable person is arguing against this. It is very very clear and indisputable.
Re: JESUS CAME TO FULFILL MOSES LAW GIVEN BY GOD by sonmvayina(m): 5:34pm On Aug 31, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:


Isn't this what i have always said since I came to nairaland?



Is it not God and His Son Who gave The Law?
Does God not have a right to send anyone including His Son?

And doesn't the bible clearly show that all the people (Prophets) whom God sent did not fulfil the criteria of the Messiah until, He Who is called Jesus Christ?

It is very very clear for all to see and that is why no reasonable person is arguing against this. It is very very clear and indisputable.

Messiah means "anointed king' ...don't loose sight of that...

Solomon was a messiah so was David his father...
But the one he promised them was still going to come through the line of David through Solomon his soon..He is going to bring peace, isaiah said men will hammer their swords into ploughshares and learn of war no more...kingdom will not rise against kingdom...that has not happened..so we are still waiting. He never said his son was coming to die for sins...he has already given them a solution to the problem of sin...confess and forsake, he would forgive...this is all I have been saying. Jesus can't be the promised messiah ...he failed woefully in that regard. And there is no arrangements for a second coming......
I think you should rethink your beliefs....if you are really sincere with yourself..
Re: JESUS CAME TO FULFILL MOSES LAW GIVEN BY GOD by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:37pm On Aug 31, 2023
sonmvayina:


Messiah means "anointed king' ...don't loose sight of that...

Solomon was a messiah so was David his father...
But the one he promised them was still going to come through the line of David through Solomon his soon..He is going to bring peace, isaiah said men will hammer their swords into ploughshares and learn of war no more...kingdom will not rise against kingdom...that has not happened..so we are still waiting. He never said his son was coming to die for sins...he has already given them a solution to the problem of sin...confess and forsake, he would forgive...this is all I have been saying. Jesus can't be the promised messiah ...he failed woefully in that regard. And there is no arrangements for a second coming......
I think you should rethink your beliefs....if you are really sincere with yourself..

The highlighted shows you just want to remain blind spiritually speaking!

How will the Messiah make peace?

Is he going to turn everyone into robots?

Well the Messiah has come in the person of Jesus Christ and that verse has been fulfilled today by JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES globally.

So expect Jesus anytime from now as he's coming to destroy all opposers of this fine works! Luke 19:27 smiley

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Re: JESUS CAME TO FULFILL MOSES LAW GIVEN BY GOD by Corrections: 7:53am On Sep 01, 2023
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Re: JESUS CAME TO FULFILL MOSES LAW GIVEN BY GOD by Dtruthspeaker: 7:59am On Sep 01, 2023
sonmvayina:


Messiah means "anointed king' ...don't loose sight of that...

Google says you are lying

messiah
/mɪˈsʌɪə/
noun
1.the promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.
2.
a leader regarded as the saviour of a particular country, group, or cause.

sonmvayina:

But the one he promised them was still going to come through the line of David through Solomon his soon..He is going to bring peace, isaiah said men will hammer their swords into ploughshares and learn of war no more...kingdom will not rise against kingdom...that has not happened..

The same thing John's disciples thought and they left before they heard Mathew 24/Revelations.

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Re: JESUS CAME TO FULFILL MOSES LAW GIVEN BY GOD by sonmvayina(m): 8:40am On Sep 01, 2023
MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted shows you just want to remain blind spiritually speaking!

How will the Messiah make peace?

Is he going to turn everyone into robots?

Well the Messiah has come in the person of Jesus Christ and that verse has been fulfilled today by JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES globally.

So expect Jesus anytime from now as he's coming to destroy all opposers of this fine works! Luke 19:27 smiley

He is going to bring peace because Gods grace will rest on him..

It is God who promised it.....so God is going to make it happen through the messiah.

Jehovah's witnesses are idol worshippers, they are not obeying Torah.

Jesus is not the messiah...he can never be, because he never existed..

There is still no world wide peace......wars upon wars....

Don't worry yourself, God's favour will rest on the anointed king(messiah)...
When he come, you lot will not need to go from door to door. God will write his laws in our hearts, so they will become effortless to keep...
Re: JESUS CAME TO FULFILL MOSES LAW GIVEN BY GOD by sonmvayina(m): 8:43am On Sep 01, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:


Google says you are lying

messiah
/mɪˈsʌɪə/
noun
1.the promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.
2.
a leader regarded as the saviour of a particular country, group, or cause.



The same thing John's disciples thought and they left before they heard Mathew 24/Revelations.

Comprehension is your biggest problem..

So was Jesus a ruler ...did he save his people from their enemies by leading them in battle like leaders do?


I don't really understand your second paragraph...they left because they is not what God promised them...so John and Jesus where frauds if they existed...
Re: JESUS CAME TO FULFILL MOSES LAW GIVEN BY GOD by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:31am On Sep 01, 2023
sonmvayina:


He is going to bring peace because Gods grace will rest on him..

It is God who promised it.....so God is going to make it happen through the messiah.

Jehovah's witnesses are idol worshippers, they are not obeying Torah.

Jesus is not the messiah...he can never be, because he never existed..

There is still no world wide peace......wars upon wars....

Don't worry yourself, God's favour will rest on the anointed king(messiah)...
When he come, you lot will not need to go from door to door. God will write his laws in our hearts, so they will become effortless to keep...

Continue deceiving yourself!

According to Daniel the Messiah will DESTROY all the governments {Daniel 2:44} definitely the Messiah will kill a lot of people just as it happened in Noah's day in order to restore sanity on planet earth.
Now how can such action be justified without a global campaign and education regarding how the government of the Messiah will be as man has been used to human rule for thousands of years?

Well you and your Judaists claiming adherents of the Torah that's obsolete are the IDOLATERS here because idolatry is about the worship of what you can't convincingly inculcate in the minds of another person.

You and those Judaists are worshiping what you don't know (Satan) who has blinded you to continue arguing without reasonableness.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have fulfilled that role that's why individuals who are in anticipation of the Messiahnic rule have used God's word to settle all their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vowed never to raise weapons against anyone just as it's written at Isaiah 2:2-4 & Micah 4:1-3

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Re: JESUS CAME TO FULFILL MOSES LAW GIVEN BY GOD by Corrections: 1:22pm On Sep 01, 2023
sonmvayina:


He is going to bring peace because Gods grace will rest on him..

It is God who promised it.....so God is going to make it happen through the messiah.

Jehovah's witnesses are idol worshippers, they are not obeying Torah.

Jesus is not the messiah...he can never be, because he never existed..

There is still no world wide peace......wars upon wars....

Don't worry yourself, God's favour will rest on the anointed king(messiah)...
When he come, you lot will not need to go from door to door. God will write his laws in our hearts, so they will become effortless to keep...

The bolded tells a lot about you and your mission.
Re: JESUS CAME TO FULFILL MOSES LAW GIVEN BY GOD by sonmvayina(m): 6:01pm On Sep 01, 2023
Corrections:


The bolded tells a lot about you and your mission.
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Explain to me how a woman becomes pregnant without a mans input?
Re: JESUS CAME TO FULFILL MOSES LAW GIVEN BY GOD by sonmvayina(m): 6:08pm On Sep 01, 2023
MaxInDHouse:


Continue deceiving yourself!

According to Daniel the Messiah will DESTROY all the governments {Daniel 2:44} definitely the Messiah will kill a lot of people just as it happened in Noah's day in order to restore sanity on planet earth.
Now how can such action be justified without a global campaign and education regarding how the government of the Messiah will be as man has been used to human rule for thousands of years?

Well you and your Judaists claiming adherents of the Torah that's obsolete are the IDOLATERS here because idolatry is about the worship of what you can't convincingly inculcate in the minds of another person.

You and those Judaists are worshiping what you don't know (Satan) who has blinded you to continue arguing without reasonableness.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have fulfilled that role that's why individuals who are in anticipation of the Messiahnic rule have used God's word to settle all their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vowed never to raise weapons against anyone just as it's written at Isaiah 2:2-4 & Micah 4:1-3


you are calling Gods laws obsolete, what he says it is for ever。。。continue deceiving yourself。
be gladly claiming a cult as GOds plane。。。

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