truthislight:

what is this?

Is this all you came online to post?

However,

police are not part of the military even though they are some times militarise like the mobile police, in some countries.

My issue was that JW dont kill one another in the war of the nations.

Eg

as in Nigeria fighting a war with say cameroon

you will not have JW in Nigeria fighting there fellow JW in cameroon or any other human for that matter, by being part of the armed forces. (love of neighbour and their self)

JW dont support wars and they dont get INVOLVED in wars of the nations.

You can meet them to show you there bible base reason for being such christians and In this fashion.
in the instance you dont know meet them they will show you from the bible.

So, you cant get JW in nigerian killing JW in another country.

I dont know what you have with police.

Damed! You are so desperate.

truthislight:

disgusting liars.

BARRISTERS: @true2God



the question here is ''supply your evidence that jws fix a date'' against jesus forbidden 'nobody knows the day and hour, 1914 is 'a year' your claim that jws fix a date, must be proved, so are you afraid? or your friends are not responding as usual? maybe you have swallowed more than you can chew oga, supply us the fixed date, se-o-ti-gbo! meaning, you do hear?

BARRISTERS: @true2God



the question here is ''supply your evidence that jws fix a date'' against jesus forbidden 'nobody knows the day and hour, 1914 is 'a year' your claim that jws fix a date, must be proved, so are you afraid? or your friends are not responding as usual? maybe you have swallowed more than you can chew oga, supply us the fixed date, se-o-ti-gbo! meaning, you do hear?

Maybe u dnt understand my question here, lemme repeat it to u again: 'frm ur independent point of view, and not wat watchtower told u, wats the biblical proove of 1914 as the year of ur 'christ presence'. Pls dnt dabble into ur characristic 'olodo' abuse and simply xpalin thing to me.

true2god: ok tell me if Jw carry any international passport or Id in time of conflict that reads: I AM A JW

true2god: Proove me wrong or test me.

true2god: Proove me wrong or test me.

true2god: Maybe u dnt understand my question here, lemme repeat it to u again: 'frm ur independent point of view, and not wat watchtower told u, wats the biblical proove of 1914 as the year of ur 'christ presence'

true2god: Maybe u dnt understand my question here, lemme repeat it to u again: 'frm ur independent point of view, and not wat watchtower told u, wats the biblical proove of 1914 as the year of ur 'christ presence'. Pls dnt dabble into ur characristic 'olodo' abuse and simply xpalin thing to me.

truthislight:

meet JW that are busy teaching people the bible free of charg all over the world they will teach you.

Is your bible study schedule on the internet forum?

I dnt think u a familiar with e-learning otherwise u would have known that the world hav moved beyond classroom studies. My simple request remains that u shuld xplain to the whole world, via this medium, hw Jw arrived at 1914, or r u not sure of wat u r sayin, or not competent enof to handle this type of question. If u r sure of wat u r saying i ask again: expplain, in ur own term, hw Jw arrived at 1914, dats all.

Let me giv u an hint if u dnt knw hw to start.
1. Go through the book of daniel on the 'seventieth week' of the gentiles. Find out the through year, via secular history like encyclopedia brittanica, the actual year the babylonians invaded jerusalem.
2. Study the book of matthew on christ prediction of the destruction of the jewish holiest of holies by the roman empire.
3. And study medevial history on the conquest of Jerusalem on AD 72.
Use this hints, and do ur mathematics again, on which u rely on to arrive at years, on issue that are purely spiritual matters.

Since u guys try to use human wisdom to determine the years God have purpose in his infinite wisdom to determine the course of human history, do the calculation and research for ursef and arrive at 1914.

And u if cant do personjavascript:void(0);al research to arrive at ur official 1914 stp goin frm house to house teachin pple wat u dnt knw and cant convincingly defend. That amount to lie and deceit. Ok?

I dnt think u a familiar with e-learning otherwise u would have known that the world hav moved beyond classroom studies. My simple request remains that u shuld xplain to the whole world, via this medium, hw Jw arrived at 1914, or r u not sure of wat u r sayin, or not competent enof to handle this type of question. If u r sure of wat u r saying i ask again: expplain, in ur own term, hw Jw arrived at 1914, dats all.

Let me giv u an hint if u dnt knw hw to start.
1. Go through the book of daniel on the 'seventieth week' of the gentiles. Find out the through year, via secular history like encyclopedia brittanica, the actual year the babylonians invaded jerusalem.
2. Study the book of matthew on christ prediction of the destruction of the jewish holiest of holies by the roman empire.
3. And study medevial history on the conquest of Jerusalem on AD 72.
Use this hints, and do ur mathematics again, on which u rely on to arrive at years, on issue that are purely spiritual matters.

Since u guys try to use human wisdom to determine the years God have purpose in his infinite wisdom to determine the course of human history, do the calculation and research for ursef and arrive at 1914.

And u if cant do personjavascript:void(0);al research to arrive at ur official 1914 stp goin frm house to house teachin pple wat u dnt knw and cant convincingly defend. That amount to lie and deceit. Ok?

BARRISTERS: @true2God



1914 stands no doubt about that,jws did not claim that there would be end in 1914, jws did not change on that,no apologies,it marks the last days!!! but the issue is that you said that the calculation is wrong! then give us the right calculation.

you dont have any? and you dont have proof on the day and hour?

i wonder how your illiteracy will help you to translate this one now!

I initially assumed that u were learned but i was completely wrong. Just exposin ur leve of stupidity to the whole wide world over the internet. I gav u a hint of wat an average Jw knows as a guide and u ended up writin garbage without any sense of decency.
An adult is meant to be analytical in reasonin but u r not. Anyway i belive u r just tryin to save face owing ignorance in spiritual matters. If u r a serios person u could hav wisely responded to my last post and act like a responsible person and not like an agbero.

So this is the sort of study u r undergoing. What a shame! I tot u r an 'intelligence officer' but a crook. Well may God have mercy on ur soul.

BARRISTERS: @true2God




sorry-boy telling you to go back to school is not an insult! you cant comprehend matters well its showing everywhere over you!!! if you are told one is not helping you,

Im dying here with laughter when you mention agbero! the complete yoruba word is Agbero-omo-ita!!! you know that most jws do pamper you with sincerity you people dont deserve,but you turn it to their being stupid, and im very happy that you are angry now, no apology pls, i gave you a matured analysis up there,only for you to start proving smart calling the jws GB names, who gave you the autorithy to be saying what you dont know, that having more hours preaching,the jws cant feed their family? is it encouraging? or do you respect the dignity of others by saying that? is it not? what does it take you to comport yourself ask question respectfully and get a respect back in return.

I choose not to respond again since u need professional consellin on hw to relate well among public audience. Argument, disagreement, and variance in opinion are part of human social trait but when the limit of tolerance is stretched, its better silence is maintained.

I dnt knw u and u dnt knw me as well, this an anonymous forum, i think for our best interest, we shelve the discussion (bw us for now) and hope u see anoda time a more friendly atmosphere.

Gd nite.

true2god: I dnt think u a familiar with e-learning otherwise u would have known that the world hav moved beyond classroom studies. My simple request remains that u shuld xplain to the whole world, via this medium, hw Jw arrived at 1914, or r u not sure of wat u r sayin, or not competent enof to handle this type of question. If u r sure of wat u r saying i ask again: expplain, in ur own term, hw Jw arrived at 1914, dats all.

Let me giv u an hint if u dnt knw hw to start.
1. Go through the book of daniel on the 'seventieth week' of the gentiles. Find out the through year, via secular history like encyclopedia brittanica, the actual year the babylonians invaded jerusalem.
2. Study the book of matthew on christ prediction of the destruction of the jewish holiest of holies by the roman empire.
3. And study medevial history on the conquest of Jerusalem on AD 72.
Use this hints, and do ur mathematics again, on which u rely on to arrive at years, on issue that are purely spiritual matters.

Since u guys try to use human wisdom to determine the years God have purpose in his infinite wisdom to determine the course of human history, do the calculation and research for ursef and arrive at 1914.

And u if cant do personal research to arrive at ur official 1914 stp goin frm house to house teachin pple wat u dnt knw and cant convincingly defend. That amount to lie and deceit. Ok?

true2god: I initially assumed that u were learned but i was completely wrong. Just exposin ur leve of stupidity to the whole wide world over the internet. I gav u a hint of wat an average Jw knows as a guide and u ended up writin garbage without any sense of decency.
An adult is meant to be analytical in reasonin but u r not. Anyway i belive u r just tryin to save face owing ignorance in spiritual matters. If u r a serios person u could hav wisely responded to my last post and act like a responsible person and not like an agbero.

So, this is the sort of study u r undergoing. What a shame! I tot u r an 'intelligence officer' but a crook. Well may God have mercy on ur soul.

BARRISTERS: @true2God
1914 stands no doubt about that,jws did not claim that there would be end in 1914, jws did not change on that,no apologies,it marks the last days!!! but the issue is that you said that the calculation is wrong! then give us the right calculation.

you dont have any? and you dont have proof on the day and hour?

i wonder how your illiteracy will help you to translate this one now!

Thanks Myjoe, u just expressed my thought. Barrister! Barrister! Ha ha...ur statement that JW did not claim that d end will arrive in 1914 is completely false.

MyJoe:
Wrong. It was preached that Christ’s presence (last days) began in 1874 and would end in 1914 along with the Gentile Times. It was only in 1925 they CHANGED to saying that 1914 was now the beginning of the parousia. Here:

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Page 235 of The Harp of God:
"This date, therefore, when understood, would certainly fix the time when the lord is due at this second appearing. Applying the same rule, then, of a day for a year, 1335 days after 539 A.D brings us to 1874 A.D, at which time, according to Biblical chronology, the Lords presence is due…[/b]The searcher of truth can find an extensive treatment of this question in volumes 2 and 3 of ‘Studies in the Scriptures’.”

And, here, the [b]Zion’s Watchtower of 15 July 1894, page 1677:
“We see no reason for changing the figures – nor could we if we could. They are, we believe, Gods dates and not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble.”

And then, here is the Proclaimers book, pp138-9 10, talking about the year 1925:
“A real milestone was reached, therefore, in 1925, when The Watch Tower of March 1 featured the article ‘Birth of the Nation.’ It presented an eye-opening study of Revelation chapter 12. The article set forth evidence that the Messianic Kingdom had been born – established – in 1914, that Christ had then begun to rule on his heavenly throne, and that thereafter Satan had been hurled from heaven down to the vicinity of the earth. This was the good news that was to be proclaimed, the news that God’s Kingdom was already in operation.

t-med:
Thanks Myjoe, u just expressed my thought. Barrister! Barrister! Ha ha...ur statement that JW did not claim that d end will arrive in 1914 is completely false. Even one of the board of directors in the Sect acknowledged this in the film called FAITH IN ACTION(Part 1) He said that at that time pple thought the end was going to come in 1914. Many began to sell their properties.After all, that was what their leader, Russell taught them.
Lastly, i've been reading ur comment lately(especially Truthislight) u both are applying d principle of Ad hominem, u are 'attacking the person rather than the argument'. U do not have to emulate your sect's negative qualities.

BARRISTERS: My own submission here is that since there is no date,or hour fixed by the jws when jesus says ''the day and hour'' nobody knows, im okay with the jws,at least it would have amounted to oversabi..like myjoe would render it, so untill someone provide a proof where they say that, they are still working within the limit by not pronouncing the day like 29/8/2012...,they have not cross the limit here!. im not a jw! but that is my opinion! and if there is an evidence to that, lets see that.

But, do u agree that they failed by speculating a particular YEAR(1914,1925 and 1975) for the end?

t-med:


But, do u agree that they failed by speculating a particular YEAR(1914,1925 and 1975) for the end?

Docjay487: [b]
1874 was exact date of our Lord's return. (The Time
Is At Hand, pg 170)

1914 marked the battle of the great day of God
almighty with the complete overthrow of the earth's
rulership. (The Time Is At Hand, pg 101)

1925 Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other Old Testament
patriarchs were resurrected and are now living on
earth. (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, pg 336)

1940 ushered the end of religion and with it the
complete downfall of satan's organization. (Religion
pg. 336)

1975 marked the end of 6,000 years of human history
and started the 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ -
the millennium. (Life Everlasting in the Freedom of
the Sons of God, pg 29,30)
__________________________

Q: -What is a false prophet?
__________________________
   -At the time of these prophecies(?) did they

claim    being 'inspired'?
   -are we still to believe their claims of 

'inspiration'?

corrections? comments? objectios?____ All are

welcome.[/b]

Docjay487:
1874 was exact date of our Lord's return. (The Time
Is At Hand, pg 170)

1914 marked the battle of the great day of God
almighty with the complete overthrow of the earth's
rulership. (The Time Is At Hand, pg 101)

1925 Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other Old Testament
patriarchs were resurrected and are now living on
earth. (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, pg 336)

1940 ushered the end of religion and with it the
complete downfall of satan's organization. (Religion
pg. 336)

1975 marked the end of 6,000 years of human history
and started the 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ -
the millennium. (Life Everlasting in the Freedom of
the Sons of God, pg 29,30)