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Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by Geminiivory: 2:58pm On Aug 28, 2023
Omoawoke2:


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Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by yahoodetector: 4:28pm On Aug 28, 2023
akpumping7720:

Bros television entered the whole of West Africa in 1959. And the first television station was established in Yoruba land. So the yorubas who can afford a TV set has been watching television before other regions in Nigeria.

And Eastern Nigeria just barely a year later isn't it?

But why is that clueless FreeStuffsNG making it look like television came into Igboland decades after it came into yorubaland?

How many yorubas were able to afford a tv set in the precolonial era when the first tv signals hit yorubaland?

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Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by akpumping7720(m): 5:55pm On Aug 28, 2023
yahoodetector:


And Eastern Nigeria just barely a year later isn't it?

But why is that clueless FreeStuffsNG making it look like television came into Igboland decades after it came into yorubaland?

How many yorubas were able to afford a tv set in the precolonial era when the first tv signals hit yorubaland?
Me I don't know when people from Eastern Nigeria started watching TV. But can you furnish us with the name of the first television station in Eastern Nigeria and the year.
Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by yahoodetector: 6:31pm On Aug 28, 2023
akpumping7720:

Me I don't know when people from Eastern Nigeria started watching TV. But can you furnish us with the name of the first television station in Eastern Nigeria and the year.

Eastern Nigerian Television (ENTV) which was introduced in October 1st 1960 after WNTV was introduced in October 29th 1959.

Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by akpumping7720(m): 6:49pm On Aug 28, 2023
yahoodetector:


Eastern Nigerian Television (ENTV) which was introduced in October 1st 1960 after WNTV was introduced in October 29th 1959.

So yorubas set the pace right?
Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by Padipadi(m): 6:51pm On Aug 28, 2023
AntiChristian:


Na me be that right?
Yes Mujaidu. I ll make sure you don't get your 72 virgins.
Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by Irony1: 6:03am On Aug 29, 2023
akpumping7720:

Commercialisation didn't start with Living in Bondage. Get your facts right please. Movies have been produced and sold on VHS before Living in Bondage.
The first movie produced on video in Nigeria was Soso Meji by Ade Ajiboye. But below is an excerpt from the internet:
"Living in Bondage was released in 1992 and is credited as revolutionizing the distribution model of Nigerian films."
Movies have been produced and sold in Nigeria before Living in Bondage. But living in bondage birthed the distribution model of Nigerian films.

That distribution model was what birthed Nollywood. Also get your facts right as well.
Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by Adjovi: 7:26am On Aug 29, 2023
OGHENAOGIE:
u should be perplexed by those arrogant Igbos trying to shade a honest comment... No need trying to be neutral here some ll still insult u especially how they insulted Yorubas cos their cheap Peter Obi didn't win president when it was clear it's either tinubu APC or Atiku PDP that had a greater chance to win... Pple who assume na Dem gud pass everyone...


Two wrongs don't make a right. What is bad is bad.
Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by Adjovi: 7:28am On Aug 29, 2023
OGHENAOGIE:
so is Nigeria just hausa Igbo Yoruba?? Or u don't know we have over 400 tribes??... The Lady gave a comment why are some Igbos acting like steal their heritage insulting pple...?? Has anyone denied nollywood being a Nigerian thing... But what the lady Said is 100 percent ok...


Calm down to read my post and you'll see where I wrote other people (other tribes). It's still uncalled for. Let's just leave in peace and move on. Not United has been the major reason why we have remained stagnant as a nation and APC has made it much more worse sadly.
Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by OGHENAOGIE(m): 9:21am On Aug 29, 2023
Adjovi:



Calm down to read my post and you'll see where I wrote other people (other tribes). It's still uncalled for. Let's just leave in peace and move on. Not United has been the major reason why we have remained stagnant as a nation and APC has made it much more worse sadly.
APC Made nothing worse stop misinterpreting tins... Unity isn't something to beg for... Don't go insulting pple and expect them to clap for u... Why can't pple read a comment or post without feeling of being threatened...
Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by OGHENAOGIE(m): 9:22am On Aug 29, 2023
Adjovi:



Calm down to read my post and you'll see where I wrote other people (other tribes). It's still uncalled for. Let's just leave in peace and move on. Not United has been the major reason why we have remained stagnant as a nation and APC has made it much more worse sadly.
I ask again was APC responsible for civil war of before and other crises... So u think during PDP time no division or na Messiah LP go come change tins overnight
Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by akpumping7720(m): 9:57am On Aug 29, 2023
Irony1:


That distribution model was what birthed Nollywood. Also get your facts right as well.
So you've agreed that the Yorubas started the movie industry which metamorphosed into nollywood?
Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by Adjovi: 10:14am On Aug 29, 2023
OGHENAOGIE:
I ask again was APC responsible for civil war of before and other crises... So u think during PDP time no division or na Messiah LP go come change tins overnight


Of course there was division but it was not this terrible. And should it continue like this?
Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by Adjovi: 10:15am On Aug 29, 2023
OGHENAOGIE:
APC Made nothing worse stop misinterpreting tins... Unity isn't something to beg for... Don't go insulting pple and expect them to clap for u... Why can't pple read a comment or post without feeling of being threatened...


Tribalism is written over the comments. So is that a good thing to you? Should it continue?
Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by Irony1: 11:57am On Aug 29, 2023
akpumping7720:

So you've agreed that the Yorubas started the movie industry which metamorphosed into nollywood?
We are not disputing anything. The actress said nollywood started with Yorubas and it is a lie. You just admitted now in your words the Nolkywood metamorphosis was actually from igbos.
Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by akpumping7720(m): 12:32pm On Aug 29, 2023
Irony1:

We are not disputing anything. The actress said nollywood started with Yorubas and it is a lie. You just admitted now in your words the Nolkywood metamorphosis was actually from igbos.
Without sentiment please kindly answer this question, based on available information, which tribe started acting before other tribes?
Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by Irony1: 12:57pm On Aug 29, 2023
akpumping7720:

Without sentiment please kindly answer this question, based on available information, which tribe started acting before other tribes?

See what was the title of the post. "Is it not that Yoruba stated Nollywood right"
Now you admitted that the metamorphosis of Nollywood was due to igbos. That is answer that we need to know which disproves the topic that says "Yorubas started Nollywood" which is a lie
Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by OGHENAOGIE(m): 1:42pm On Aug 29, 2023
Adjovi:



Tribalism is written over the comments. So is that a good thing to you? Should it continue?
there's no tribalism there... Na u wan please some Igbo brats online so they clap for u
Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by OGHENAOGIE(m): 1:43pm On Aug 29, 2023
Adjovi:



Of course there was division but it was not this terrible. And should it continue like this?
it wasn't terrible yet civil war happened...or APC is also responsible for the modakeke Ife war... Etc
Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by Adjovi: 4:00pm On Aug 30, 2023
OGHENAOGIE:
there's no tribalism there... Na u wan please some Igbo brats online so they clap for u



Lol because they are giving me money . Smh
Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by OGHENAOGIE(m): 4:04pm On Aug 30, 2023
Adjovi:




Lol because they are giving me money . Smh
u just want to dance to their tunes...
Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by Adjovi: 4:15pm On Aug 30, 2023
OGHENAOGIE:
u just want to dance to their tunes...


As per eegun Alaare grin grin cheesy
Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by ForumNL(m): 10:44am On Sep 05, 2023
Rahkman:
It we talk nollywood in places like Ghana or other West African countries images like saint obi Pete edochie genevieve Ramsey noah emeka ike osuofia kanayo o kanayo .....who sabi who be Herbert ogembe abi na weytin be him name??Mtsseeew
Do you realise the Ramsey Noah you just mentioned is Yoruba
Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by Zool6: 4:42pm On Nov 13, 2023
this movies are less than 4 yrs are u saying nollywood started less than 4yrs ago?? all this movies none make as much as Lion Heart by Gene Nnaji bought over 3.5m$ or over 1,5b naira by Netflix or Bad Comments by Jim Iyk Amazon first Nigeria movie deal bought over 1.5m$ or 1b naira by Amazon u refused to list them because they dosen't Suite ur one sided narrative Netflix account for less than 0.1% of Nollywood out put u are listing less than 20 movies when we have over 100000 nollywood movies available on internet FYI most of those movies u listed are produced by Igbo/yoruba collabo like wedding party 1 and 2 have mo abdu Zurumoke Oyibo tope ,Uzor, Nwana etc the story was written by an Igbo also the marketer FilmOne have David Babatope Kele Okwuosa and Kele Nkpulu as the founders
no Netflix produce have more movieslike Charles Okparaeke of Charleplay Network
he own Living in bondage Rattle Snake ,Nneka the prety Girl Glamour Girl etc he have over 15 big Netflix work at hand now including Igbo landing Jaja of Opobo Billionairesclubs Diamond ring ,Taboo Black Oil etc check him out on Instagram only 2 Nigeria movies have make it to Oscar nomination they are Lion Heart by Gen Nnaji and RecentlyMummy water by J Obasi and Oge Obasi they are both Igbos andis worth bragging for what of Shanty Town produced and own by Chinenye Chi Chi Nwora 70% of Igbo producers like producing those homevideos movies which was used to export nollywood it's easy cost less keep actors and actresses busy over 98% of Nollywood most popular actors and actresses all came through homevideos even till today they are shunning out more stars Fred Leonard ,Chidi Dike ,Too Swee Annan Ken Erik's Yul Edochie Zuby Michael and many more stars are coming ou from there


The same Google that is showing this movie as highest that warran ur bragging use it and Google richest most popular most influential most handsome most powerful or anyhow want it I assured u over 65% to 70% of those established actors and actresses are Igbos
followed by Edo before see yoruba Googleis there to help u


there are more established Igbo actors and actresses than Yoruba till tomorrow

There are more established Igbo footballers than Yoruba till tomorrow

There are more established Yoruba musicians than Igbo till tomorrow

That is Goggleis ur friend
Ritchiee:


Don't be a clown.If you talk even about money,Yorubas always have the highest grossing movies.


Just look at this list.


1 Battle on Buka Street 2022 ₦668,423,056 Funke Ayotunde Akindele

Network / FilmOne Funke Akindele, Tobi Makinde


2 Omo Ghetto: The Saga 2020 ₦636,129,120 SceneOne Productions Funke Akindele, JJC Skillz



3 The Wedding Party 2016 ₦452,288,605 Ebonylife Films / FilmOne / Inkblot Production / Koga Studios Kemi Adetiba



4 The Wedding Party 2 2017 ₦433,197,377 Ebonylife Films / FilmOne / Inkblot Production / Koga Studios Niyi Akinmolayan


5 Chief Daddy 2018 ₦387,540,749
EbonyLife Films Niyi Akinmolayan



6 Brotherhood 2022 ₦328,881,120
Greoh Studios Loukman Ali


7 King of Thieves 2022 ₦320,805,150. Euphoria360 Media / Anthill Studios Tope Adebayo, Adebayo Tijani


8 Sugar Rush 2019 ₦287,053,270 GreoH Media / Jungle Filmworks / Empire Mates Entertainment Kayode Kasum


9 Ijakumo 2022 ₦278,496,384 Toyin Abraham Films Production / Filmone Adebayo Tijani, Steve Sodiya


10 Christmas in Miami 2021 ₦265,583,000 Corporate World Pictures Robert Peters


11 King of Boys 2018 ₦244,775,758 Kemi Adetiba Visuals Kemi Adetiba


12 Merry Men: The Real Yoruba Demons 2018 ₦235,628,358 Corporate World Entertainment / FilmOne / Gush Media Toka Mcbaror


13 Merry Men 2: Another Mission 2019 ₦234,505,169. Corporate World Entertainment / Gush Media / FilmOne Moses Inwang


14 Your Excellency 2019 ₦186,340,948 EbonyLife Films Funke Akindele



15 A Trip to Jamaica 2016 ₦180,264,964
Corporate World Pictures Robert Peters


16 10 Days in Sun City 2017 ₦176,705,669 Corporate World Pictures Adze Ugha


17 Living in Bondage: Breaking Free 2019 ₦168,770,202 Play Entertainment Network/Michelangelo Productions/Natives Filmworks Ramsey Nouah


18 30 Days in Atlanta 2014 ₦163,351,300. Corporate World Pictures Robert Peters


19 Aki & Pawpaw 2021 ₦136,379,049
Playy network studios and Film One Biodun Stephen


20 The Ghost and the Tout Too 2021 ₦134,408,075. Toyin Abraham Films Production Ama Psalmist


21 Prophetess 2021 ₦131,441,252 Anthill Studios Niyi Akinmolayan


22 Bling Lagosians 2019 ₦120,135,139 Film One Bolanle Austen-Peters


23 Fate of Alakada: The Party Planner 2020 ₦113,226,100 vvFilmOne Kayode Kasum


24 My Village People 2021 ₦100,958,400 Kountry Koulture Productions Niyi Akinmolayan


Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by Zool6: 5:06pm On Nov 13, 2023
FreeStuffsNG:

First known Igbo produced movie and first Nigeria horror movies was Willie Willie by Dr Chinyere Ohiri every today adult remember how every one was always scared of Willie Willie ghost in 80s the movie was released in 1985

First recognized Yoruba movies Soso Meji by Adelove was done in 1988

before living in bondage there have been first generation igbo actors go watch
Ichoku
Things fall Apart
New masquerade
Willie Willie
Many of those actors have retired as of 1992 when living in bondage was released to the market Living in bondage is what launched today Nollywood first Nigeria movies title should go to European Palava of 1926 followed by Edy Ugboma 1973 ,President ,,

What u stated was stage drama which matosopher into yoruba movies today modern nollywood started with Living in bondage and other Igbo movies that followed it actors and actresses of that era will go on to become biggest and most popular actors and actresses

You can not have it all

There are more established and successful Yoruba musicians than Igbos

There are more established and successful Igbo actors and actresses than Yoruba


There are more established and successful Igbo footballers than Yoruba

Google is ur freind

All Nigeria should be grateful to Igbos for exporting nollywood to the world that u see it attractive to start claiming founding it

Over 90% of today top nollywood legends were marketed by Igbos including Yorubas

Where do u start from in claiming groly for nollywood the data are there and still on Google


Some people actually think that Nollywood started with 'Living In Bondage ' and 'Domitila'. Smh.

Aisha is even schooling them for free when they should be paying to recieve this kind of knowledge.

Everything about entertainment in Africa, from the first TV station to the first stadium etc, has its root in Ibadan, the heart of Yorubaland through the vision of our forebears. Thank you Aisha for the free education you are giving them.

Entertainment business is total package and it's bringing in billions into Nigeria through the Nigerian music, sports and film industry pioneered by the Yoruba and still owned by the Yoruba.

The chart bursting Nollywood films are produced in Yoruba but subtitled in English, Asake sings in Yoruba, all the Nigerian music Stars that performed at his UK show, including Tunde Baiyewu of Light House, are Nigerians and Yoruba with link to Nollywood. Most of those sound tracks in Yoruba films come from these Yoruba global Musicians.

Even Gospel musicians like Tope Alabi and Mike Bamilloye's Mount Zion films are connected to Nollywood while World Boxing Champion Anthony Olufemi Joshua, World Athletics record-holder Tobi Amusan, along with Odunlade Adekola, Olamide, Teni and others are Glo Ambassadors, Iya Rainbow, Lateef Adedimeji, Dele Odule from Nollywood as Airtel Ambassadors, with their faces all over local and international Nigerian entertainment contents sponsorship.

Yoruba started Nollywood when the rest of Nigeria and Africa had not even seen or watched a TV in their lives and the Yoruba still own Nollywood till date.

The Yoruba can teach others in Nigeria and Africa how they sustain this global feat and dominance of entertainment if others are humble enough to learn from the Yoruba. We are all Nigerians/Africans and we can learn from one another. Check my signature for free stuffs!


Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by Zool6: 3:13pm On Nov 25, 2023
[Hahaha this movies are less than 5yrs or 4yrs so nollywood started 4 or 5 yrs ago ?? Mind you producers of those movies only get less than 37% of the movies groosing I m sure u don't know about that now 37% of all this movies u listed here grossing is not up to 1b naira but Gene Nnaji sold her movies Lion Heart to Netflix this was Netflix first entry to Africa at 3.5m$ at over 2b naira in today exchange rate cash ,,,again Jim Iyke sold his movie Bad Comments to Amazone prime at 1,5m$ over 800m naira this was Amazon first entry to Africa also this 2 movies producers make more money than all the movies u listed put together is not by noises beside some of the movies u listed here are produced or co produced by Igbos like Weeding party 1 and 2
Filmone is owned by 1 yoruba and 2 Igbos go make research Gen Nnaji been pushing out Cinima movies for long IJe Road to Yesterday
etc are there her latest work I do not come to you by chance is topping now 70% of igbos producers still prefer to make the regular Homevideos Which Nollywood was built upon still there are many Igbo cinema movies making waves now like Onyegwu Chetanna Afamefuna Bride prize etc in Netflix movies
no producer have more movies than Charles Okparaeke of Charlesplay network Living in bondage Rattle Snakes Aki and paw paw Nneka the prey serpent Glamour girls are some of his remake presently he have over 20 Netflix projects ar hand wait for it like blood diamond Billionaires clubs Jah jah of opobo Igbo landing etc again only 2 Netflix Nigeria movies have make it to Oscar Lion Heart by Nnaji and Mammy water by Cj Obasi both are Igbo made movies ,,Netflix movies make up less than 000.1 of nollywood movies out put crushing 10 movies is not enough for u to claim own nollywood there are over 100 000 nollywood movies uploaded on Netflix over 95% of today Nollywood legends ownvthere carrer to Nollywood homevideos the people still producing it dont think are joking ,,Zuby Michael Yul Edochie Frederick Leonard Ken Eris Maurice Sam Chidi Dike Too sweet Anna
Steven Odingbe Malek Milton Michael Godson etc were recently marketd with homevideos Nollywood is firmly in the hands of Igbos take it to bank for every one popular established yoruba actors or actresses known offshore Nigeria not regional actors or actresses there is 5 established popular Igbo actors or actresses known offshore Nigeria
u can take it as a challenge Aki and paw alone is more popular than any yoruba actor u can list his name come down from ur high horse if u cant wrestle business from Igbo then you cant wrestle nollywood from them only muzic every one agreed There are more successful established yoruba musicians but there are more successful established Igbo actors and actresses footballers only Chelsea have 3 Igbo players Ac Milan 2 Igbo players Arsenal 1 so calme down Nollywood is built havealy around Igbo culture its synagogue with Igwee Eze Mmuo Onowu red cap chiefs Igbo village setting Igbo stories and costumes turn into Africa magic Epic most watched channel
on magic Africa and see it you also forgot Rok studio or IRoko tv biggest Africa movies making company is Igbo own Nollywood is in the hands of Igbos if u make any movie excluding Igbos it would appear regional movies that is how nollywood was built ,,Battle of Buga Weeding Party majority of those movies is story of Igbo and yoruba
go and wach them ,quote author=Ritchiee post=125384313]

Don't be a clown.If you talk even about money,Yorubas always have the highest grossing movies.


Just look at this list.


1 Battle on Buka Street 2022 ₦668,423,056 Funke Ayotunde Akindele

Network / FilmOne Funke Akindele, Tobi Makinde


2 Omo Ghetto: The Saga 2020 ₦636,129,120 SceneOne Productions Funke Akindele, JJC Skillz



3 The Wedding Party 2016 ₦452,288,605 Ebonylife Films / FilmOne / Inkblot Production / Koga Studios Kemi Adetiba



4 The Wedding Party 2 2017 ₦433,197,377 Ebonylife Films / FilmOne / Inkblot Production / Koga Studios Niyi Akinmolayan


5 Chief Daddy 2018 ₦387,540,749
EbonyLife Films Niyi Akinmolayan



6 Brotherhood 2022 ₦328,881,120
Greoh Studios Loukman Ali


7 King of Thieves 2022 ₦320,805,150. Euphoria360 Media / Anthill Studios Tope Adebayo, Adebayo Tijani


8 Sugar Rush 2019 ₦287,053,270 GreoH Media / Jungle Filmworks / Empire Mates Entertainment Kayode Kasum


9 Ijakumo 2022 ₦278,496,384 Toyin Abraham Films Production / Filmone Adebayo Tijani, Steve Sodiya


10 Christmas in Miami 2021 ₦265,583,000 Corporate World Pictures Robert Peters


11 King of Boys 2018 ₦244,775,758 Kemi Adetiba Visuals Kemi Adetiba


12 Merry Men: The Real Yoruba Demons 2018 ₦235,628,358 Corporate World Entertainment / FilmOne / Gush Media Toka Mcbaror


13 Merry Men 2: Another Mission 2019 ₦234,505,169. Corporate World Entertainment / Gush Media / FilmOne Moses Inwang


14 Your Excellency 2019 ₦186,340,948 EbonyLife Films Funke Akindele



15 A Trip to Jamaica 2016 ₦180,264,964
Corporate World Pictures Robert Peters


16 10 Days in Sun City 2017 ₦176,705,669 Corporate World Pictures Adze Ugha


17 Living in Bondage: Breaking Free 2019 ₦168,770,202 Play Entertainment Network/Michelangelo Productions/Natives Filmworks Ramsey Nouah


18 30 Days in Atlanta 2014 ₦163,351,300. Corporate World Pictures Robert Peters


19 Aki & Pawpaw 2021 ₦136,379,049
Playy network studios and Film One Biodun Stephen


20 The Ghost and the Tout Too 2021 ₦134,408,075. Toyin Abraham Films Production Ama Psalmist


21 Prophetess 2021 ₦131,441,252 Anthill Studios Niyi Akinmolayan


22 Bling Lagosians 2019 ₦120,135,139 Film One Bolanle Austen-Peters


23 Fate of Alakada: The Party Planner 2020 ₦113,226,100 vvFilmOne Kayode Kasum


24 My Village People 2021 ₦100,958,400 Kountry Koulture Productions Niyi Akinmolayan


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Re: Yorubas Started Nollywood, Own It —Aisha Lawal, Actress And Scriptwriter by ForumNL(m): 8:04pm On Nov 26, 2023
ORISA produced by Odunlade Adekola is currently the highest grossing moving in 2023

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