TheMadame:
FOUR.


John 20: 1-18
1Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. 2So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don't know where they have put him!" 3So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb. 4Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. 5He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in. 6Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus' head. The cloth was folded by itself, separate from the linen. 8Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed. 9(They still did not understand from Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead.) 10Then the disciples went back to their homes, 11but Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent over to look into the tomb 12and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus' body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot. 13They asked her, "Woman, why are you crying?" "They have taken my Lord away," she said, "and I don't know where they have put him." 14At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not recognize that it was Jesus. 15"Woman," he said, "why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?" Thinking he was the gardener, she said, "Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him." 16Jesus said to her, "Mary." She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, 'Rabboni!" (which means Teacher). 17Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father, to my God and your God." 18Mary Magdalene went to the disciples with the news: "I have seen the Lord!" And she told them that he had said these things to her.

TheMadame:
Good day.
Recently I was reading the four gospels (Mathew,Mark,Luke and John) accounts of the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ and found that the four accounts are surprisingly very different.
I said surprisingly because I found out that in some accounts it was many women that visited the tomb while in others it was at least two women.
In one account the women ran away and told the Apostles but in other accounts the said nothing. In fact in one account Peter even followed them to the tomb to see for himself.
There is also discrepancies in how the stone in front of the tomb was rolled away. One account says there was an earthquake while other accounts say the women found the stone rolled away when the women arrived at the tomb.
The accounts also differ on the number of angels at the entrance or inside the tomb. Were they two or was it one angel?
I ask these questions because such a significant event such as the resurrection of our Lord should be a constant and consistent account.
I will post the passages from the four gospels for those more enlightened to cast more light and explanation. Thank you.

confusedlady:



Why do you always go around posting controversial issues?
Why do you always search for faults in the Bible?
These are books that were inspired by God but written by men subject to many translations. As a Christian, which I assume you are,read the Bible as a religious book and seize the MESSAGE intended. STOP looking for errors/faults and controversy .
There was a resurrection! He rose and ascended to heaven.FINISH.

MaxInDHouse:
When God set the rules about how to get facts regarding an incident He said at the mouth of two or three witnesses the matter should be established.
If you know how investigations are carried out you won't be surprised at the way the four gospel accounts were rendered.

During investigations if we get a witness and the words of first witness doesn't slight differ from the words of the second we will conclude they conspired to framed it that's why they both have exactly the same narration. But if there's differences we will ask for the timing, location and position of the witness to be sure he knows exactly what he's saying then we will conclude that both of them are saying the same thing but from different angle.

Matthew and John were apostles (closest confidants) of Jesus but one is even closer to Jesus than the other so his narrative will come from the angle that's more attached to Jesus in person while Matthew's account will only have more of what has to do with legality (as a tax collector) that's why their resurrection account can't match as if they're sitting side by side when writing it. Moreover location and time of recording differs so it's other disciples of Jesus that gathered all the accounts just as each of them penned it down.

Luke and Mark are part of his numerous disciples who aren't as close to Jesus as the first two so their records reflects what interests them. Luke (doctor) talked like a physician and that's what shows in his writing while Mark a young disciple when Jesus lived penned down the shortest because he was like a boy often sent here and there by the elderly ones following Jesus.
In fact his matter caused a bitter argument between Paul and Barnabas due to his childish attitude.

So during real investigations we don't buy the witness of people who are saying exactly the same thing and whose narrations are exactly the same. That's tantamount to planned work!

Caveatemptor:

Where did you get the emboldened from?

MaxInDHouse:


It's from older manuscripts.

Luke wrote his gospel and Act of Apostles.

Matthew is one of the apostles.

John is one of the Apostles.

Mark is a young disciple.

The names of all these people appear in the gospels and Act of Apostles so calm down and learn.

MaxInDHouse:


It's from older manuscripts.

Luke wrote his gospel and Act of Apostles.

Matthew is one of the apostles.

John is one of the Apostles.

Mark is a young disciple.

The names of all these people appear in the gospels and Act of Apostles so calm down and learn.

Caveatemptor:

My friend you are very ignorant . In fact the arrogance of your ignorance as usual is disturbing. None of the gospels bear the real name of the writers. You need to educate yourself and curb your arrogance.
The four gospels were not written by any of the disciples of Christ. They were anonymous writings ascribed to names of disciples by the early Church for easy identification.

Dantedasz:

This is complete rubbish.
The other gospel writers copied from Mark and a source called Q which has since been lost.
The original gospels were never titled as " gospels according to."
These are basic knowledge of any Biblical scholar and staple on any history of the Bible on the Internet.

confusedlady:



Why do you always go around posting controversial issues?
Why do you always search for faults in the Bible?
These are books that were inspired by God but written by men subject to many translations. As a Christian, which I assume you are,read the Bible as a religious book and seize the MESSAGE intended. STOP looking for errors/faults and controversy .
There was a resurrection! He rose and ascended to heaven.FINISH.

MaxInDHouse:



When you people get information instead of you to ask questions when someone say another thing you just stick to what you've heard earlier as if all other informations are false.

Well this is not ATHEISM where you people are so dogmatic regarding information.

Those gospel accounts were written by each of those names after them.

Caveatemptor:

None of the gospels was written less than 60 years after the crucifixion.

TheMadame:

I read,observed and asked questions of those who are more enlightened than me. You are not forced to respond if you do not know the answers to the question of why the resurrection stories in the gospels differ.

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ why not calm down and learn?

If people tell stories of what happened does it mean they have to relate it immediately as it's happening?

Of course all of them wrote their stories after the destruction of Jerusalem which happened around 66 ce. What most critics like you failed to realize is that 66 ce doesn't translate to 66 years after the events rather subtract the years Jesus spent on the planet which is 33 out of 66 which gives you 33 years after Jesus' death, resurrection and ascension.

So they wrote their accounts many years after Jesus has left when they've scattered far away from Jerusalem.

TheMadame:
Good day. Recently I was reading the four gospels (Mathew,Mark,Luke and John) accounts of the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ and found that the four accounts are surprisingly very different.

I said surprisingly because I found out that in some accounts it was many women that visited the tomb while in others it was at least two women.
In one account the women ran away and told the Apostles but in other accounts the said nothing. In fact in one account Peter even followed them to the tomb to see for himself.

There is also discrepancies in how the stone in front of the tomb was rolled away. One account says there was an earthquake while other accounts say the women found the stone rolled away when the women arrived at the tomb.

The accounts also differ on the number of angels at the entrance or inside the tomb. Were they two or was it one angel?

I ask these questions because such a significant event such as the resurrection of our Lord should be a constant and consistent account.
I will post the passages from the four gospels for those more enlightened to cast more light and explanation. Thank you.

Emusan:








Discrepancy would've been recorded when one account says it was WOMEN while another says it was MEN.

OR

The women saw Angel and another says the women didn't see any Angel at all.



Is this what you called discrepancy?

Discrepancy is when one account says there was an earthquake and the other says there's no earthquake but people rolled the stone away. OR the earthquake happened in the presence of the women and the other says the women saw how the stone was rolled away by the people.

If the women found the stone rolled away before they got there, definitely something had happened.

MaxInDHouse:

I've been trying to share something with you but i don't know why the system has refused to submit the screenshot.

It shows the actual name, date and venue where each writer penned down his account.

The truth is that they were unable to write any of these things when they were still in Jerusalem as Jesus commanded them to stay until they're able to see the fulfilment of his prophecy regarding the destruction of Jerusalem.
So after Jerusalem was destroyed they were able to pen down all what Jesus did in their presence and other activities they got info from those present at the events.

Matthew written by Matthew in the year 41.ce in Samaria (Northern Israel)

Mark written by Mark in the year 60-65 .ce in Rome

Luke written by Luke in the year 56-58 .ce in Caesarea

John written by John in the year 98 .ce around Ephesus

Act of Apostles written by Luke in the year 61.ce in Rome.

All of them wrote their accounts in Greek language but not the main Greek language rather pidgin Greek which was commonly spoken among elites and illiterates back then just like pidgin English today that most people can understand even if they're not able to read.

TheMadame:

Mmmm

Emusan:


Sure: is there DISAGREEMENT between the four ACCOUNTS?

TheMadame:


Yes,there is.

Emusan:


Point it out!

TheMadame:


Read the OP and the four posts that follow it