Kukutente23:

Are you aware Shakespeare got inspiration for some of his works from Julius Caesar? Does that make Shakespeare's work plagiarism?
You lots are just ignorant

On page 90, Wren writes under a sub-heading entitled: The History of Umuchu: S.A. Nnolim’s History of Umuchu gave Achebe the vital plot device of the priest who refuses the chieftaincy and alters the religious calendar during imprisonment.

It was the History too that provided the town created from six rival villages as a defence against the Abam. Although Achebe’s memory about the pamphlet is faulty, (Achebe no gree remember be that faulty memory) he used village names drawn from Nnolim and Umuchu ….

Orally, an undocumented rumour mill circulated the dangerous gossip that Charles Nnolim’s ‘A Source for Arrow of God’ had denied Achebe the Nobel Prize.

spearman:

Kukutente23:

Ok.... so is that all Arrow of God is about? Have you read it?
You guys just keep disgracing yourselves. What about the plot of "the one who kills a man when his life is sweetest to him". Is that also from Nnolim?
Like i said, it's Shakespeare also guilty of plagiarising Julius Caesar?

Yes, that’s more than enough…. The matter is not closed…. The only thing I want to say is that the reliance on oral history
is something which we have to do. I believe that we have to rely a lot on oral history…. The whole thing is not a secret. I had
already told people about this event which happened in this village. I had heard about it on radio and had given a fairly full
account of this.
There was a programme which had been done by one of our best producers in those days called Chijioke
Abagwe, in which someone was being interviewed who turned out to be Nnolim’s uncle about his village and the story of this
chief who was imprisoned by the D.O. came out in the interview. This was in the fifties. I was so fascinated by this story
that I got Abagwe to locate this man again and again we went to his place and he told me a lot more about the incident. Not only that, we even went to his village in order to have a feel of this place. That’s the indebtedness to Nnolim’s uncle. I have used such things before and I will use them again. (Commonwealth: 13.1, Autumn, 1990, 121-122).

In conclusion, we can assert that what has occupied us in the last thirty minutes or so, are matters arising from ‘A Source for Arrow of
God’ published in 1977, and they are substantive. Robert Wren’s work and Professor J.O.J.

Nwachukwu Agbada’s interview have given us enough facts to draw our own conclusions on whether or not Chinua Achebe was acquainted with The History of Umuchu whose author S.A. Nnolim he admitted he knew, whose village he said he visited and whose book he may have read, even when in the face of all these facts, he denies knowledge of the existence of The History of Umuchu.

What we have discussed in this study are matters that arose after the publication of ‘A Source for Arrow of God’ in1977.

spearman:


Ibos always run for cover with whataboutism.

intruder15:


Writing about Chimamanda may be reasonable. However, I am struggling to understand what you intend to achieve writing about Chinua Achebe. He is dead. Years ago. Hence, not dragging for the fame or price.

Unless you are trying to give NCAN members something to salivate on. Irrespective of your actions, respect the dead.

OneCandleAway:


So because I'm yoruba I won't call out people because of tribe.

When he was saying with certainty that someone came third with no facts to support his claim, people like him pushed Jonathan out for Buhari and didn't have the Guts to speak out during buhari tenure.
Please give me the ronu card you use to buy cheap fuel and the loan for students so I can begin to kiss tinubu ass.

I'd osinbajo was the President I will support wholeheartedly not this criminal in aso rock.

Kukutente23:
This post needs to be taken down.
I find it ridulous.
Things fall apart is a book most if not all students of secondary schools in Nigeria in the early 90s to late 2000s were expected to have read in their English comprehension classes.
Yet no one on this thread could point out to the ignorant Op that relevant portion of W.B Yeats' poem was actually quoted as a prologue to the book. Instead, they took the bait and each one went where his prejudice led him to concerning the matter.
It is either the tamdun or is it tampon now does not know what entails plagiarism or he's just ignorantly rehashing whatever he found on the net without bothering to find out whether it's true or not.
You guys are disgracing our education system with this tribal baiting and bashing which you're using to replace your common sense.
Shame!!

Benwallt:
Chimamanda has the same value as tissue paper.

BentizilL0:

You're not a yoruba, stop lying we Sabi the drip...

OneCandleAway:


Na you born me naa so you know my tribe. I won't do this politics of supporting someone because he is my tribe.

BentizilL0:

No bastard will denigrate his ethnic even in face of comment like this...

Were you not here when Igbo were dragging Soyinka??
Were you asleep then? 😂

BentizilL0:

Go and tell your Igbo brother to stop dragging the great Soyinka...
It's not his fault that he's greater than Achebe and chimanda combined... 💯

tamdun:
You wonder why these two Chinua Achebe and Chimamanda didn’t get Nobel prize… Well it’s because hack writers like them were accused with evidence of plagiarism.

The title of “Things Fall Apart, the center cannot hold” is taken from the poem “The Second Coming,” which was written by the Irish poet William Butler Yeats in 1919, after the end of the First World War and during the Irish civil war which followed independence.

Achebe is like that Jamb girl that cheated and tried to bully her way to win an award. That’s why he was envious of Prof Soyinka Nobel prize.
Tueh 🤧

Search “Things fall apart William Butler Yeats” on Twitter or any media platform and you will see Europeans referencing that phrase to the Rightful poet” he went further to even copy the character in the original version.

In 1996 Giwa submitted her book to the Uk library, In 1998, Chinua Achebe received Giwa’s manuscript Book “Sade” to Heinamman Nigeria Limited where he was the board of directors. Few years along the line @ChimamandaReal whom is very close to Chinua Achebe and supposedly lives with him got inspired.

https://twitter.com/dipoaina1/status/1707269311377601012?t=F3AhO4F-L1Suewo0QYH48Q&s=19

BentizilL0:

This is the hypocrisy I hate...
I read Achebe before Soyinka or chimanda...
You need to understand that you can't be dragging a respected son of Yoruba and expect them to respect your own son dead or alive...

You mention Soyinka, they mentioned Achebe. You came here writing rubbish with victim mentality... Mention chimanda would've been a great disrespect to Soyinka..

Kukutente23:

You guys are just being foolish.
Oya Yoruba brother. Mention 10 books by Soyinka you have read and give the theme for each book. I'm sure you can't
But you can measure whose dick is longer between him and Achebe.
I've never seen English people fighting and insulting over who is better between Bernard Shaw and George Orwell.
But what do I know about black man and black brain.
I'm beginning to fear this generation of youths may be useless after all

Kukutente23:

Since you read Achebe, did you not read the caption of WB Yeats' poem at the prologue?
I'm afraid for the youths of this days. No one and I mean none among you tribal champions on both sides have ever written a much as a poem on tradition of your tribe.
Both Soyinka and Achebe wrote majestic literature showing supremacy of their tradition and its colourfulness in English language and they "wowed" those who owned the language.
Yet you imps, instead of spending youthful energy improving on such intellectual wealth are dragging kpomo over who wrote what and better. And you're not doing it from any intelligent angle but crass tribal bigotry and prebendalism.
I ask, who will be known in this generation of yours for writings that promote our culture and tradition. Who will write about Sango like you have in Thor or the witches of Ibadan like you have in Harry Porter.
Are you guys only useful for tribal baiting?
What a waste!!

Kukutente23:

Keep quiet!!
A lot of you ignorant folks who know next to nothing just come online to spill nonsense. Let's even assume what the guy claims about Arrow of God is true. So if I read an article of 3 pages, get an idea from it and develop the idea into a novel of 200 pages, that's plagiarism abi? You lots that have zero idea of creative writing just come online to write nonsense bars on tribal sentiments.
Secondly, was the article published under relevant copyright laws? Or you think if a writer does not prevent anyone from lifting all or part of his works, doing so is plagiarism?
You halfwits need to be quiet!!

BentizilL0:

I've read only one Achebe's (There was a country), his type of books don't turn me on. I prefer something else.. I saw his books many times when I was in juniors then in my school library but only glance and nothing else.

I've read few Soyinka's, not my type too..

I grew up liking Achebe even when I did not know him.. You want to know why??.
It's simply because I hate the type of praise people in my school then always heap on Soyinka, so I want to be different. They gave him a godlike status...

Respect to Achebe, he's the first Nigeria author I look up his biography and it's because I want something to counter my friends...

I don't want to compare the two, I think they're both different.. But it's hypocrisy for Igbo to drag Soyinka and cry victim when Yoruba drag Achebe. I've seen it happen many time here and on various SM. No one has monopoly of violence.

Meanwhile, I'm an Edo man... I've always watch with disgust how you guys always tag everyone not supporting Yoruba. I think it's time you learn that we have more than Yoruba and Igbo in southern Nigeria... 💯

femisplash:
Even if the article is only two sentences and documented in a research journal, if you plagiarize it, you have commited an intellectual theft. Achebe plagiarized a journalistic work without giving due credit to the original author, that's criminality. People llke you are even far worse than the Govt you devote your entire daily energy criticizing.

Kukutente23:

Can you help me with the journal where the plagiarised item was published? I want to check it out by myself pls.

tamdun:
You wonder why these two Chinua Achebe and Chimamanda didn’t get Nobel prize… Well it’s because hack writers like them were accused with evidence of plagiarism.

The title of “Things Fall Apart, the center cannot hold” is taken from the poem “The Second Coming,” which was written by the Irish poet William Butler Yeats in 1919, after the end of the First World War and during the Irish civil war which followed independence.

Achebe is like that Jamb girl that cheated and tried to bully her way to win an award. That’s why he was envious of Prof Soyinka Nobel prize.
Tueh 🤧

Search “Things fall apart William Butler Yeats” on Twitter or any media platform and you will see Europeans referencing that phrase to the Rightful poet” he went further to even copy the character in the original version.

In 1996 Giwa submitted her book to the Uk library, In 1998, Chinua Achebe received Giwa’s manuscript Book “Sade” to Heinamman Nigeria Limited where he was the board of directors. Few years along the line @ChimamandaReal whom is very close to Chinua Achebe and supposedly lives with him got inspired.

https://twitter.com/dipoaina1/status/1707269311377601012?t=F3AhO4F-L1Suewo0QYH48Q&s=19

femisplash:
But if you want to open your mouth to attack Govt, you won't a4sk me for help. If you could defend intellectual theft calling it "inspiration", then you would even be worse than the corrupt politicians. The only reason you attack politicians is because you are not priviledged in the looting of the treasury.

Kukutente23:

Lol.
You see that's what emptiness does. It leads to scatter scatter yam pepper.
You claimed history of umuchu was published in a journal as at the time Achebe wrote Arrow of God in 1964. Show evidence, you're cutting back and acting funny.
For your info, history of Umuchu was not published until 2007 as a literary work and it was even expanded then beyond the original work.

femisplash:
You're not only a criminal but also a pathological liar, little wonder you defend intellectual thieves. Same daftus insinuating that zombidients are within their rights to insult Soyinka but same Soyinka is not within his own right to hold a differing political view. My last reply to you.

spearman:
Thiefnamanda theft video.
Similarities between SADE and Half of a Yellow Sun Anne Giwa-Amu



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqmx2CVEBdg