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Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by Fearyourcreator: 9:41am On Oct 05, 2023 |
Iamanoited:Go Abuja ... it will be there inhistory if them never forget you that you were at aso Rock but was shot on sight .. you will just keep yourself before your time |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by jahsharon: 9:41am On Oct 05, 2023 |
AdamuKD: Cry, wail, weep |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by AdamuKD: 9:42am On Oct 05, 2023 |
OmoNla99:That is wisdom. Nigeria is gone |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by Mccullum: 9:42am On Oct 05, 2023 |
It's expression of his opinion, however, it is doesn't put it as fact or fiction. The CSU has confirmed that he attended and graduated, over there it's allow for third party vendor to re-issued loss certificate which the CSU attested to, With all surrounded this bone of contention, the fact is the CSU has cleared him as their product. So therefore, the rudiment of law is different from emotional expression of any individual on any issues. 2 Likes |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by Ttipsy(f): 9:42am On Oct 05, 2023 |
Nigeria is really what I don’t wish for myself in my next life So much injustice and lies |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by Omodua(m): 9:43am On Oct 05, 2023 |
Racoon:Hmmmmm Does any one have iota of doubt that Tinubu forged the papers to INEC? |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by AdamuKD: 9:43am On Oct 05, 2023 |
jahsharon:Fool, are you talking to your father? |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by texas1990(m): 9:45am On Oct 05, 2023 |
Racoon:When we asked you guys to go to school you said no but prefer to sell okirika, now you want to reason with us like a normal human being, my brother it's not possible, Una demand for certificate them give una wetin una want again, 1 Like |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by Suntzung: 9:45am On Oct 05, 2023 |
Racoon: That's really serious woo it means all certificates from those affected region/groups shall become suspicious |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by Adeiza5995: 9:45am On Oct 05, 2023 |
U don't have to blame tinubu on this it buhari that should be blame any ways what am I even saying does buhari have result? |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by lapintoz: 9:45am On Oct 05, 2023 |
You can read Aremu version or the real version. The Presidency on Wednesday insisted that the academic records released by Chicago State University, United States, had vindicated President Bola Tinubu and confirmed him as an alumnus of the school. The Senior Special Assistant to the President on Media and Public Affairs, Temitope Ajayi, also submitted that the CSU never said the certificate presented to the Independent National Electoral Commission before the presidential election by Tinubu was forged in its deposition. Having obtained Tinubu’s academic records on the order of an Illinois, Chicago court, former Vice President Abubakar Atiku would on Thursday (today) file his application at the Supreme Court. Atiku, who contested against Tinubu in the February presidential election on the platform of the Peoples Democratic Party, is expected to file the documents he obtained from the CSU in furtherance of his election appeal at the Supreme Court. The PUNCH reports that the university released the academic records of the President on Monday and the CSU Registrar, Carl Westberg, also carried out a deposition of the documents on Tuesday, in compliance with the ruling of Magistrate Jeffrey Gilbert. Gilbert had on September 19 granted Atiku’s request for the release of Tinubu’s academic records but the President filed a review of the order. Tinubu’s lawyers insisted that the documents would not be relevant in Atiku’s appeal against Tinubu at the Supreme Court and asked for a review of the ruling. However, federal judge Nancy Maldonado overruled Tinubu’s objections and ordered the CSU to release the President’s academic records. In the CSU documents, the institution responded to Atiku’s four requests and affirmed that Tinubu attended the CSU. But taking to his account on the X micro-blogging platform on Wednesday, the presidential media aide dismissed reports that the CSU disowned Tinubu in its deposition. Ajayi wrote, “We should be clear. In the deposition made by the Chicago State University, there was nowhere the university said the certificate presented to INEC by President Tinubu is fake.’’ He added, “The university insisted under oath that President Tinubu graduated with honours and even at that, replacements for lost certificates are done by vendors, not the university. “The claim that President Tinubu submitted a fake certificate to INEC does not make sense. A man cannot forge the academic records he possesses. You can only forge what you don’t have.” Addressing the issue for the first time, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Yusuf Tuggar, downplayed the controversies surrounding the educational qualification of the President. He said the Federal Government was not wasting time on Atiku’s case in the US, describing it as frivolous. The Tinubu administration, he noted, did not have time to waste on the certificate issue, which he described as “a trivial matter” and a distraction. Tuggar, speaking on Channels Television’s Sunrise Daily on Wednesday, said the President had met with other world leaders despite the controversy and the issue had not been a subject of discussion in all his recent international engagements. “The foreign leaders that we’ve been engaging and the international organisations clearly are disinterested in wasting time on such. We pay no mind to that,” Tuggar said. He added that it was not surprising that the issue had been a subject of discussion in the Nigerian space, adding that former President Muhammadu Buhari faced a similar thing. The minister said, “There is a tendency to always try to distract and detain people on such frivolous issues as opposed to facing the major issues of development. We don’t have time to waste on that. “Nobody is wasting time about certificate qualification for somebody who has been a governor of a state, served two terms, and has been on the national stage as a politician.’’ “You remember that (former) President Buhari had to go through the same thing, where people were actually questioning whether he went to secondary school or not. Someone who had classmates, was the captain; and was a head boy,” he pointed out. According to him, Nigerians should rather concentrate on development. “Considering the economic challenges we are facing, we shouldn’t be wasting time about whether some certificate, whether there is a ‘t’ missing or an ‘i’ hasn’t been dotted. That shouldn’t be our primary focus at the moment,” he cautioned. Meanwhile, in compliance with the order of the court, the Registrar of the CSU, Westberg, has carried out a deposition on Tinubu’s academic records at the office of Atiku’s lawyer, Angela Liu, at West Wacker Drive in Chicago. In his deposition, he said the school was bombarded daily with many enquiries about its former student, Tinubu. Giving an oral deposition in support of Tinubu’s records given to Atiku, Westberg said the school received between five and 30 enquiries daily about the former Lagos State. However, he said at no time did the school notify Tinubu about the flood of enquiries, ostensibly from Nigeria. “We believe Bola Tinubu who attended CSU is the same person who is the president of Nigeria today,” Westberg reportedly said during the deposition on Tuesday. According to PM News, five other lawyers from the firm Dechert LLP joined in the deposition while Tinubu was represented by Victor Henderson and Oluwole Afolabi, who joined the session by Zoom from New York. Michael Hayes appeared for Chicago State University. Pressed further by the battery of lawyers representing Atiku on why he believes the person who is the president of Nigeria is the same person who attended CSU, Westberg said Bola Tinubu is an unusual name in the US. He matched the records in the file against the information provided by the student or on behalf of the student. On the controversy over whether the student the school admitted in 1977 from South West College was a man or woman, Westberg said Tinubu applied to the university as a male and a letter of admission was issued to a male. Regarding the certificates tendered in the documents given to Atiku, the registrar restated that the university only has diplomas that students didn’t pick up in its possession. He noted, “The university does not typically keep diplomas. I have the diploma that was made available to Mr Enahoro-Eboh in our possession because Mr Tinubu did not pick it up. I do not have the diploma that was submitted to INEC in our possession because he had picked it up. “Why would Mr Tinubu request a diploma and not pick it up or ask that it be sent to him?,” one of Atiku’s lawyers asked. Westberg replied: “You would have to ask him, that is Bola Tinubu.” Attempts by one of our correspondents to reach Westberg failed as he was said to be in a meeting. He had yet to respond to a mail seeking further clarifications on the deposition. |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by PrinceOfLagos: 9:46am On Oct 05, 2023 |
Judgementa1:maybe you didn't see this
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Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by DrMuzungu(m): 9:47am On Oct 05, 2023 |
A drug dealer, thief, and forger enter a bar. What does the barman say? "Welcome, Mr. President!" 1 Like |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by wanimo: 9:48am On Oct 05, 2023 |
Don't mind that IPOB member, Tinubu the drug lord and unrepentant certificate forger will be president of Nigeria whether you like it or not. The senile evil old man doesn't care about the next generation because he "shimself" has no verifiable history. |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by tabaski: 9:49am On Oct 05, 2023 |
Judgementa1:God bless you for this |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by Omodua(m): 9:49am On Oct 05, 2023 |
okoro:Supporter of infamy and sleaze. God will help you. But when will you have sense? |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by Shikini: 9:49am On Oct 05, 2023 |
This country is gone to the dogs |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by jaxxy(m): 9:50am On Oct 05, 2023 |
There is an obvious credibility and moral issue here. |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by texas1990(m): 9:51am On Oct 05, 2023 |
How much were you paid by atiku ? Aremu the monkey, did you go to school at all I doubt it. the certificate you guys requested for was given to you, and even the registrar of the school testify to it. So moobad issues don go now it's now time for Tinunbu certificate, Shai 9ja una too mumu. You requested for white thing they gave it to to and now you are trying to paint it black, continue to make fool of yourselves, Tinunbu dey aso rock, you dey ur village wey ur village peoples dey torment you mungun. |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by Kaiser20: 9:52am On Oct 05, 2023 |
Tinubu had requested his online supporters to engage Igbos to curse online tribal war instead of focusing on Tinubu's clueless lifestyle |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by Jemex003: 9:53am On Oct 05, 2023 |
AdamuKD: But why are you still alive till today? |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by Realman50: 9:53am On Oct 05, 2023 |
Akoko1stooni:pls can talk to u in private? |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by ogunsbanjul(m): 9:55am On Oct 05, 2023 |
Authenticity of any school certificate can only be proved by the school who issued it or any authorized channel and not any other institution. Chicago state university confirmed the president graduated with honours in their school and admitted he was given certificate when he graduated but still una dey cry because your candidate who was scared of submitting his self acclaimed certificate lost the presidential election and the one who wanted to be Nigeria president even if na for one day lost due to his arrogance and his inability not to reconcile with his party members. 1 Like |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by casualobserver: 9:55am On Oct 05, 2023 |
Racoon: 2 things has become very clear, we have a lot of very daft and dumb people in this country and education in Nigeria does not equate to intelligence. 1) I graduated in 1979, I lost my certificate, I applied for a replacement decades later. I obtained a replacement. In the period between when I graduated and when I got a replacement, the logo, format and signatories of the university had changed multiple times. Which signature, logo and signature will appear on my replacement certificate. What some so called educat Nigerians are saying is a) the person who signed my certificate in 1979 must sign my replacement in 20 years later even if the person has left the university or has died. b) the logo, font, on my replacement issued 20 or more years later must be the same as the one on the original t certificate of 1979. C) the fact that my replacement certificate says I graduated 1979 means it was issued in 1979 despite the fact that I have said the original was lost and this is a replacement. if I obtained a replacement in 2020 for example, which signature will appear on my replacement, the signature of the person holding the office in 2020 or the person who signed the original in 1979? I swear we are breeding a nation of very daft people. 1 Like |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by LegacyB: 9:56am On Oct 05, 2023 |
Racoon:Chicago State University opened its doors as a teacher training school in a leaky railroad freight car in Blue Island, Illinois on September 2, 1867. |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by mp3ree: 9:56am On Oct 05, 2023 |
ngeneukwuewuGOAT: Where were they when Buhari was ruling? 1 Like |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by PARADIZEPRIEST: 9:57am On Oct 05, 2023 |
Who is an Educated Man? An Educated man is a man who has so develolped the faculties of his mind that he may acquire all the desires for good of his society and humanity at large. PTINUBU IS EDUCATED HE HAS RAISED ALOT OF PEOPLE ACROSS NIGERIA FROM NO BODY TO SOMEBODY ON INTERNATIONAL STAGE,E.G THE EXLEMPLERY AND POPULARFIGURES: Fashola,Ambo,sanwo,osinbajo,aregbeshola, muisbanire, joe igbokwe,opeyemi bamidele,fowler,cardoso,JAMES FALEKE,ndubuisi k,Iyayi,kayode o,Femi ,desmond e,...add your own,most of these people here are good guys irrespective of critiques.Only good things can come of of a good person like PTinubu. Eko o no baje,Nigeria No Baje.QED. |
Re: Next Generation Would Query Us Over Tinubu's Questionable Certificate - Aremu by Reference(m): 9:57am On Oct 05, 2023 |
Judgementa1: I am not too interested in this saga. To be honest I find it most distracting to the country though I absolutely understand why the case has to be pursued. But what you wrote above is simply ignorance. Put it this way. If a cheque you present to withdraw money from your account does not have a similar signature to that on the system, nothing will make the bank produce your money at the counter. If the cheque was presented by someone else, that person will rightly be accused of attempted fraud, yes? Fraud is not a case of whether there is material evidence or not. It is not a case of disputing facts. It is a case of misrepresentation of materials, an entity or facts. It is saying (in the case above) that that is your signature, but in truth it is not. The case here is that the certificate produced was not issued by the institution in question or any of its affiliates nor agents. The question here is why did the actor in question not just state the case as it was before the electoral body, that the certificate tendered was an unofficial reproduction due to loss or whatever and not that issued by the relevant authority or simply state that the institution in question only offers transcripts by way of validating the degrees they award. A good number of Nigerian colleges have a huge backlog of yet to be issued certificates. I have more or less given up on one of such I attended but it is unthinkable for me to 'produce one' just to have my way. Honesty, integrity is just living your life 'As it is'. 3 Likes |
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