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Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by Nobody: 9:55pm On Oct 16, 2023
Thank you... smiley smiley smiley
Omoawoke2:


Oya no vex, we should not spoil this beautiful thread
Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by obontami: 9:56pm On Oct 16, 2023
I like those ones that dances bare breasts. I also loves khoisan tribe 'cause they got mad asses. grin

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Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by almarthins(m): 9:59pm On Oct 16, 2023
Samantha124:
I thought I should open a thread on how to identify SA tribes by their dance moves just so that you don't have to assume that every SA traditional dance you see it's Zulu dance... grin grin grin.. Because most of y'all only know about the Zulus.

1. I'll start with Zulu, so you guys can check and compare... cheesy cheesy cheesy.. Zulu dance involves a lot of high kicks and sometimes they'd even throw themselves on the floor, if you can do high kicks, then learning the Zulu dance shouldn't be difficult... It's more like traditional aerobics.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB37tnlKllc?si=D76_qIVCcORyJ71i


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HT7csqqsCc?si=rsqqsDzTc7OVPKHj

2. Swati.. Their dance moves are more laid back and reserved, the ladies would usually dance holding large knives and shields while the men would dance holding Spears and shields.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLuYD0wc5ug?si=TX5k4AfGyRKMIb7-


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiUCOU0g2eA?si=L6OXYh5fuDBHm7zY

3. Basotho... With Sotho people, they mainly focus on moving their shoulders when dancing.. grin grin grin.. Sothos in the house, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong... Their ladies would sometimes dance while on their knees and their men would be holding long sticks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ckW5pOAjRE?si=Vvmnw3-2RpvPxFAD

4. Xhosa... Their dance moves involve a lot of stomping on the floor/ground barefoot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ASMJVonDl0?si=HoQ9e8RvDgncOPPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc1gL9l1uP8?si=Q-FVPaWeiQPofuTf

5. Tsonga... With Tsonga dance, one has to move the waist a lot and with the ladies, they have to shake that xhibelani( traditional Tsonga skirt), apparently you're a Tsonga by mistake if you can't move your waist... grin grin grin.. Sho Modjozi's Tsonga traditional music dance would make a great example for this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt1EJ4SH07E?si=FSjIGRE9BZFzqM81

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jkXL_TMEig?si=UTwOdq_HHTiQoz5T

6. Batswana... I don't care what others may think, but Batswana are the best South African traditional dancers in my opinion... When they dance, they usually bend over a bit, make use of their hands a lot( especially with the ladies), make facial expressions, and stomp the floor with their creative dance steps... It's like their dance moves always have a story to tell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEPgLS9mQvE?si=QxPbrU9HmM8s_Pdh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va06tKKKNd8?si=W9wIPi3GDVe5ngmk

7. Sepedi tribe... With us the Pedis, we're all over the place... grin grin grin.. we do a lot of kicking, back and forth, going left and right, up and down, and running around ( if necessary) grin grin grin.. Sometimes we would lift our hands into the air like we're praying.. Our dance moves are like the contemporary dance done in a quicker pace... Sometimes we would dance in a slower and reserved pace, you just can't predict us... grin grin grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fQm39DiSlY?si=vcAX_Z775CTWuFCu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Cg-6Wx4g-I?si=GLpxib1ntiLIkuxd

8. Ndebele tribe... I'm not gonna lie, I don't know much about the Ndebele tribe, but their dance moves seem like a combination of the Swati and Zulu dance because their ladies' dance moves are more reserved like the Swatis while the men's dance moves involve some high kicks like the Zulus... They love blowing whistles too, I just remembered from the time I used to watch traditional music shows with my grandparents... grin grin grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2fGk2dmMs8?si=_9-_A2eyyuCD3pjd

9. Last but not least, the Venda tribe... The Venda dance involves a lot of jumping up and down and it seems like their dance moves are a bit aggressive, but not in a bad way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTaHLgcf4Bc?si=hkr2iGDBUcdyZRas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CnqvDxIPgE?si=IntgrMh_1ufslYsR

My apologies to the Khoisan people in case they come across this thread, for I couldn't find any videos of their dance moves.

As I saw the topic, immediately I knew is Samantha 🀣.
Let me go and observe

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Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by Englishisamust: 10:10pm On Oct 16, 2023
AImiron:
as usual mediocrity from penadogs….. most goals against imbeciles and retaaaards. πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

lmao lil boy wey just finished nYsc πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚. You no even sabi where life go carry you go. You better start looking for how to survive and leave banter for ppl wey don already balance in life, else hunger wey go finish you still Dey do press up in Ikorodu. You go see shege. Stay off my mention lil boy.

Hunger will kill who?? dey play!!! My life dosent concern you, whether I'm broke i enjoy it.. πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚... grin grin grin. Pessi fan boy.

Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by jaksmillioniar: 10:20pm On Oct 16, 2023
Samantha124:
They're not advertising anything... undecided undecided undecided
gush I think dose girls are so sweet dey look so beautiful. South Africa guys a lucky

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Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by viodemus: 11:13pm On Oct 16, 2023
I love peace and I love SA.

Just don't let the arab religion be dominant in the country, that way, you guys can keep getting better.

Support israel. stand with Israel, wish her well. It will help you too. The igbos are here to help your understanding of these kinds of situation.
Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by kayevans: 11:17pm On Oct 16, 2023
I'm only interested in identifying the tribe with full rounded b**bs.
Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by GreatAutos(m): 11:38pm On Oct 16, 2023
What’s with this flaunting breast?
Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by Canvass: 11:42pm On Oct 16, 2023
All are energetic dances with so much vigor required. Through Africa, we may differ but we share a lot of things in common. Except for the Zulu dance, we'll find tribes in Nigeria that dance in similar ways to these dances.
Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by Nobody: 12:37am On Oct 17, 2023
Once I read SA dance and tribes I rushed here. I wasn't disappointed. πŸ˜†
Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by Sleekfingers: 12:39am On Oct 17, 2023
I prefer the Indoni festival


Mattew 10.10
Men shall not live by bread alone. But by breasts and other succulent protuberances
Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by emmaodet: 12:52am On Oct 17, 2023
Englishisamust:
Samantha124 my love... Beauty with brain!!! Samantha124 I will simp for you confidently, you are the sugar in my bean, butter in my yam, stew on my rice, you are the water in my coconut grin grin grin.

Simp on patrol

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Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by Karnice600: 1:01am On Oct 17, 2023
Samantha124:
I thought I should open a thread on how to identify SA tribes by their dance moves just so that you don't have to assume that every SA traditional dance you see it's Zulu dance... grin grin grin.. Because most of y'all only know about the Zulus.

1. I'll start with Zulu, so you guys can check and compare... cheesy cheesy cheesy.. Zulu dance involves a lot of high kicks and sometimes they'd even throw themselves on the floor, if you can do high kicks, then learning the Zulu dance shouldn't be difficult... It's more like traditional aerobics.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB37tnlKllc?si=D76_qIVCcORyJ71i


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HT7csqqsCc?si=rsqqsDzTc7OVPKHj

2. Swati.. Their dance moves are more laid back and reserved, the ladies would usually dance holding large knives and shields while the men would dance holding Spears and shields.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLuYD0wc5ug?si=TX5k4AfGyRKMIb7-


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiUCOU0g2eA?si=L6OXYh5fuDBHm7zY

3. Basotho... With Sotho people, they mainly focus on moving their shoulders when dancing.. grin grin grin.. Sothos in the house, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong... Their ladies would sometimes dance while on their knees and their men would be holding long sticks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ckW5pOAjRE?si=Vvmnw3-2RpvPxFAD

4. Xhosa... Their dance moves involve a lot of stomping on the floor/ground barefoot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ASMJVonDl0?si=HoQ9e8RvDgncOPPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc1gL9l1uP8?si=Q-FVPaWeiQPofuTf

5. Tsonga... With Tsonga dance, one has to move the waist a lot and with the ladies, they have to shake that xhibelani( traditional Tsonga skirt), apparently you're a Tsonga by mistake if you can't move your waist... grin grin grin.. Sho Modjozi's Tsonga traditional music dance would make a great example for this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt1EJ4SH07E?si=FSjIGRE9BZFzqM81

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jkXL_TMEig?si=UTwOdq_HHTiQoz5T

6. Batswana... I don't care what others may think, but Batswana are the best South African traditional dancers in my opinion... When they dance, they usually bend over a bit, make use of their hands a lot( especially with the ladies), make facial expressions, and stomp the floor with their creative dance steps... It's like their dance moves always have a story to tell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEPgLS9mQvE?si=QxPbrU9HmM8s_Pdh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va06tKKKNd8?si=W9wIPi3GDVe5ngmk

7. Sepedi tribe... With us the Pedis, we're all over the place... grin grin grin.. we do a lot of kicking, back and forth, going left and right, up and down, and running around ( if necessary) grin grin grin.. Sometimes we would lift our hands into the air like we're praying.. Our dance moves are like the contemporary dance done in a quicker pace... Sometimes we would dance in a slower and reserved pace, you just can't predict us... grin grin grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fQm39DiSlY?si=vcAX_Z775CTWuFCu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Cg-6Wx4g-I?si=GLpxib1ntiLIkuxd

8. Ndebele tribe... I'm not gonna lie, I don't know much about the Ndebele tribe, but their dance moves seem like a combination of the Swati and Zulu dance because their ladies' dance moves are more reserved like the Swatis while the men's dance moves involve some high kicks like the Zulus... They love blowing whistles too, I just remembered from the time I used to watch traditional music shows with my grandparents... grin grin grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2fGk2dmMs8?si=_9-_A2eyyuCD3pjd

9. Last but not least, the Venda tribe... The Venda dance involves a lot of jumping up and down and it seems like their dance moves are a bit aggressive, but not in a bad way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTaHLgcf4Bc?si=hkr2iGDBUcdyZRas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CnqvDxIPgE?si=IntgrMh_1ufslYsR

My apologies to the Khoisan people in case they come across this thread, for I couldn't find any videos of their dance moves.

Beautiful colors of Africa.., unfortunately laced with less visible, but even stronger spectrum of xenophobia and brotherhood betrayal. Worse than colonial oppressions that hit us from the outside. This one eats us from the inside.., cancerous to whatever is left of Africa’s health and unity. We celebrate more than cultural colors.
Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by Mryacks: 3:56am On Oct 17, 2023
Wow, nice...always liked South African culture (sounds/dance). Funny enough while growing up, we use to think all SA's were Zulu's grin

NB: does anyone here watch Black Tax..the SA comedy soap on BET?

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Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by Lionessza6(f): 5:02am On Oct 17, 2023
Karnice600:


Beautiful colors of Africa.., unfortunately laced with less visible, but even stronger spectrum of xenophobia and brotherhood betrayal. Worse than colonial oppressions that hit us from the outside. This one eats us from the inside.., cancerous to whatever is left of Africa’s health and unity. We celebrate more than cultural colors.

No bro, you got that one wrong. The worst type of betrayal is mass murder of 3 million indegenes right after the colonialists leave. Up until today Igbos cannot leave peacefully with the rest because of that very post colonial war. Should we also dive into the Ghana must go saga ? grin. Or how about modern day slavery "human trafficking " where Nigerian males traffick their girls to Italy , and even worse sell them as slaves to arabs in Libya? . Or how about we talk about Nigerians given an opportunity to come and trade in South Africa but turn on the communities that welcome them by drugging and trafficking their children? Rubbish African unity!. You can't even unite Southern Nigeria to speak with one voice against the North grin grin, I won't even mention uniting Nigeria grin ,but it's a whole Africa you think you can unite? grin grin. You're too ambitious for a man in your position grin grin. Ridiculous fellow grin grin. Narcissists playing victim as always.....what a surprise.

Apologies Samantha ,didn't mean to fck up your beautiful thread just couldn't help myself , I despise hypocrites.

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Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by Shattuck(m): 6:08am On Oct 17, 2023
Samantha124:
Sepedi dance of course, why? Because I'm a Mopedi.

The Sotho dance isn't difficult too... As long as I can move my shoulders, then the rest is nothing.

And again with the Swati dance, all I need is a large kitchen knife and a shield, their dance steps don't seem difficult.

And with the Tsongas, I'll first need a xhibelani to test if I can shake it... grin grin grin
if you are mopedi, does SA have a general traditional language that all the other tribes understand? Because I noticed sometime ago in a different topic you communicated with another nairalander from south Africa with traditional writing.
Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by Nobody: 6:13am On Oct 17, 2023
We don't have a general traditional language, most of us understand each other's languages.
Shattuck:
if you are mopedi, does SA have a general traditional language that all the other tribes understand? Because I noticed sometime ago in a different topic you communicated with another nairalander from south Africa with traditional writing.
Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by Shattuck(m): 6:25am On Oct 17, 2023
Samantha124:
We don't have a general traditional language, most of us understand each other's languages.
even in writing? How possible is that for someone to understand over a dozen language, I see it alot on the internet south Africans writing in traditional language, I always assume it is to be understood by only members of their tribe. So how does every south African understands each other's language, are the various languages taught in schools? Or you pick them up yourselves by association?
Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by Nobody: 6:39am On Oct 17, 2023
Long time no see... Being active on this forum has taught me to just ignore some of these trolls, because they also go around insulting their own people on this same forum and honestly speaking, I don't always have the energy to be going back and forth with them because they're already frustrated and looking for who to take out their frustrations on.

Just like the TheSuperX, he'd be singing SA praises when on other threads, thinking that maybe we're not watching... But immediately he comes across a South African or a thread by a South African, he'll start acting like he's a nairaland major shareholder, like he calls the shots here... And the funny part is that he'll start something he can't finish and immediately he notices that he's being defeated, he'll call the mods hundred times to come to his rescue, but not a single mod would take him seriously...πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

So some of these people are just frustrated with life and if you always take them seriously, you'll end up frustrated like them.

But it's good to see you... smiley smiley smiley
Lionessza6:


No bro, you got that one wrong. The worst type of betrayal is mass murder of 3 million indegenes right after the colonialists leave. Up until today Igbos cannot leave peacefully with the rest because of that very post colonial war. Should we also dive into the Ghana must go saga ? grin. Or how about modern day slavery "human trafficking " where Nigerian males traffick their girls to Italy , and even worse sell them as slaves to arabs in Libya? . Or how about we talk about Nigerians given an opportunity to come and trade in South Africa but turn on the communities that welcome them by drugging and trafficking their children? Rubbish African unity!. You can't even unite Southern Nigeria to speak with one voice against the North grin grin, I won't even mention uniting Nigeria grin ,but it's a whole Africa you think you can unite? grin grin. You're too ambitious for a man in your position grin grin. Ridiculous fellow grin grin. Narcissists playing victim as always.....what a surprise.

Apologies Samantha ,didn't mean to fck up your beautiful thread just couldn't help myself , I despise hypocrites.
Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by PaulH07: 6:49am On Oct 17, 2023
Samantha124:
Sepedi dance of course, why? Because I'm a Mopedi.

The Sotho dance isn't difficult too... As long as I can move my shoulders, then the rest is nothing.

And again with the Swati dance, all I need is a large kitchen knife and a shield, their dance steps don't seem difficult.

And with the Tsongas, I'll first need a xhibelani to test if I can shake it... grin grin grin

Marry me dear, I've always wanted a south African woman grin
Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by Bbqekpa: 7:17am On Oct 17, 2023
I'm a Zulu grin Lawenawaytuuuu
Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by Nobody: 7:19am On Oct 17, 2023
If you pay close attention to our languages, you'll realize that most of them are related... Let me give an example of when we say "I love you" in some of our languages.

In Sepedi, we say "ke a go rata"
In Zulu we say "ngiyakuthanda"
In Xhosa we say "ndiyakuthanda"
In Tsonga we say "ndza ku randza"
In Swati we say "nyiyakutsandza"

They all rhyme and if you're the patient type, you'll learn them just fine by just associating with the people of those other tribes or by just listening to their music and watching their telenovelas or any TV programs... Because as you read the subtitles, you'll learn a thing or two... That's how I learned Zulu and a bit of Xhosa... I also used to think that Tsonga and Venda are difficult until I started listening to their music and learning their lyrics... So far my Tsonga is much better now and my Venda is still getting there... cheesy cheesy cheesy
Shattuck:
even in writing? How possible is that for someone to understand over a dozen language, I see it alot on the internet south Africans writing in traditional language, I always assume it is to be understood by only members of their tribe. So how does every south African understands each other's language, are the various languages taught in schools? Or you pick them up yourselves by association?
Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by JaceBlaze: 8:05am On Oct 17, 2023
Lionessza6:


No bro, you got that one wrong. The worst type of betrayal is mass murder of 3 million indegenes right after the colonialists leave. Up until today Igbos cannot leave peacefully with the rest because of that very post colonial war. Should we also dive into the Ghana must go saga ? grin. Or how about modern day slavery "human trafficking " where Nigerian males traffick their girls to Italy , and even worse sell them as slaves to arabs in Libya? . Or how about we talk about Nigerians given an opportunity to come and trade in South Africa but turn on the communities that welcome them by drugging and trafficking their children? Rubbish African unity!. You can't even unite Southern Nigeria to speak with one voice against the North grin grin, I won't even mention uniting Nigeria grin ,but it's a whole Africa you think you can unite? grin grin. You're too ambitious for a man in your position grin grin. Ridiculous fellow grin grin. Narcissists playing victim as always.....what a surprise.

Apologies Samantha ,didn't mean to fck up your beautiful thread just couldn't help myself , I despise hypocrites.


I love the way you always bleksem these manipulative hypocrites shocked grin .Makes me sick to my stomach how these people have done way worse but act like we South Africans are the main course of all miseries in Africa.Damn bottom feeders calling us xenophobic but doing whatever they can to live among us in our country.

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Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by hammerFC: 9:13am On Oct 17, 2023
Samantha124:
Sepedi dance of course, why? Because I'm a Mopedi.

The Sotho dance isn't difficult too... As long as I can move my shoulders, then the rest is nothing.

And again with the Swati dance, all I need is a large kitchen knife and a shield, their dance steps don't seem difficult.

And with the Tsongas, I'll first need a xhibelani to test if I can shake it... grin grin grin

Which tribe tends to have the yansh?

I need insider intel.
Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by hammerFC: 9:17am On Oct 17, 2023
Samantha124:
If you pay close attention to our languages, you'll realize that most of them are related... Let me give an example of when we say "I love you" in some of our languages.

In Sepedi, we say "ke a go rata"
In Zulu we say "ngiyakuthanda"
In Xhosa we say "ndiyakuthanda"
In Tsonga we say "ndza ku randza"
In Swati we say "nyiyakutsandza"

They all rhyme and if you're the patient type, you'll learn them just fine by just associating with the people of those other tribes or by just listening to their music and watching their telenovelas or any TV programs... Because as you read the subtitles, you'll learn a thing or two... That's how I learned Zulu and a bit of Xhosa... I also used to think that Tsonga and Venda are difficult until I started listening to their music and learning their lyrics... So far my Tsonga is much better now and my Venda is still getting there... cheesy cheesy cheesy
On of our Igbo bro married a sweet Xhosa girl from a very nice family.

Even her mother like this our brother but I did not see Big yansh.

I come they wonder, where to find them.

Is it the Zulu?
Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by Nobody: 9:25am On Oct 17, 2023
I don't know because I don't pay attention.

But you can ask other South Africans on this forum.
hammerFC:


Which tribe tends to have the yansh?

I need insider intel.
Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by Nobody: 9:28am On Oct 17, 2023
I honestly don't know.
hammerFC:
On of our Igbo bro married a sweet Xhosa girl from a very nice family.

Even her mother like this our brother but I did not see Big yansh.

I come they wonder, where to find them.

Is it the Zulu?
Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by hammerFC: 9:29am On Oct 17, 2023
Samantha124:
I don't know because I don't pay attention.

But you can ask other South Africans on this forum.


I need one with Big yansh.

I keep seeing that yansh on my phone dancing amapiano.

All of them seem to be naturally big.

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Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by Marynwachukwu21(f): 9:38am On Oct 17, 2023
hammerFC:



I need one with Big yansh.

I keep seeing that yansh on my phone dancing amapiano.

All of them seem to be naturally big.
place poster,once they see it they will rush you 🀐 but don't run ooo😜
Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by Marynwachukwu21(f): 9:39am On Oct 17, 2023
hammerFC:



I need one with Big yansh.

I keep seeing that yansh on my phone dancing amapiano.

All of them seem to be naturally big.
place advert or poster,once they see it they will rush you 🀐 but don't run ooo😜
Re: Ways To Identify SA Tribes By Their Traditional Dance Moves. by TheKingsmann(m): 9:39am On Oct 17, 2023
We don't give a ratass about that useless xenophobic country, the mods should stop shoving those xenophobic people threads on our throats, we want threads of West African countries not this nonsense.

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