Aemmyjah:

Tctrills says that God cursed Adam and Eve and pronounced death to show he loves them
Ask him to reciprocate such love to his son na

Emusan:


Matt 28:19 has always been part of the inspired Word of God.

But for NWT of JWs, definitely it added so many spurious words that were never part of any known manuscripts in possession today to sugarcoat their many unsupported doctrines.

oteneaaron:


Interesting.

Pray tell, how I am being deceitful when I was only sharing that the Catholic Church themselves admitted in their Encyclopedia that they did change the wordings of Matthew 28 VS 19?

I took my time to check out the references you shared, but unfortunately, the issue still persist.

The Quora link you shared contained numerous opinions for and against the notion that the Catholic Church altered Matthew 28 VS 19.

George E. Howard in 1985, published a translation of Shem Tob's Hebrew Gospel of Matthew.

I couldn't get my hands on this translation by George E. Howard - if you have it can you show me what Matthew 28 VS 19 says in that translation?

William L. Peterson of the Pennsylvania State University, Netherlands Institute for Advanced Studies published a paper titled - Some Observations on a Recent Edition of and Introduction to Shem-Tob's "Hebrew Matthew"

In the paper, this is the only thing he said about Shem Tob's version of Matthew 28 VS 19:



If you have the translation, please share with me exactly what Matthew 28 VS 19 says.

Here is a link to the paper - http://rosetta.reltech.org/TC/vol03/Petersen1998a.html

The fact still remains the the Catholic Church themselves made clearly said this in their own Encyclopedia:



So what gives?

Janosky:


Emusan LYING miscreant.
WAILER DECEIVING HIMSELF.

oteneaaron:
At this point, we have to ask some very important questions:

1. Since we have solid proof that the Catholic Church altered Matthew 28 VS 19, what other Bible verses have they altered?

2. Can we really trust the Bible with this sort of evidence?

3. What if we dug deeper into the Bible and found out that many other verses were altered by the Catholic Church - what happens in that case?

Don't forget that the Bible as we know it today, was practically given to the world by the Catholic Church - it was they who canonized the entire books of the bible.

oteneaaron:
Jehovah's Witnesses as a religious organization are one of few sects of Christianity who have vehemently refused doctrine of the Trinity.

They claim that the doctrine of Trinity is a pagan practice.

But when we check out their own translation of the Bible aka The New World Translation, we find the same alteration from the Catholic Church.



The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses claim that they are the only channel of communication with God in these times we live.

They also claim that the Jehovah's Witness organization is the only true religion.

Now, I have a couple of questions:

1. If they are only true religion and only they are sole channel of communication with God, why couldn't they recognize the alteration of Matthew 28 VS 19 by the Catholic Church?

2. Why did they add the same mistake or alteration to their own translation of the Bible?

3. Why do they follow this exact formula as created by the Catholic Church when practicing baptism in their religion?

4. Does this mean that Jehovah's Witnesses are in reality, in full support of the doctrine of the Trinity?

What do you think?

CC: Janosky, MaxInDHouse, Aemmyjah, Cornelboy, Archoladey, Courz, Emusan, Maynman, tctrills

oteneaaron:


Was this verse altered during that particular council?

I know for a fact that the doctrine of Trinity was promulgated during that Nicean council.

Kobojunkiee:
There needs to be definitive evidence to show that this change was made. All those comments amount to hearsay as they do not point to exactly which manuscripts were tampered with by the religion of Christianity — the catholic church its mother church.

cornelboy:

Critical thinkers with different beliefs 🤣🤣🤣 do they even believe in any infinite mind like you do?
Thinking rubbish doesn't mean you think critically.

Have you ever experienced that feeling when some kiss your a.s.s?
Max's a.s.s is delicious and I kiss it without hesitation.

OgaNightmare:



So critical thinking means all of them have to be identical?

Are you sure your brain is not on vacation?🙄

OgaNightmare:

So critical thinking means all of them have to be identical? Are you sure your brain is not on vacation?🙄

cornelboy:

Lol he's claiming that he thinks critically and that's why he believes in an infinite mind, atheist claim the same thing too and conclude on something else, I claim the same thing too and conclude that there's must be a mastermind mind behind the universe.....
So which of us is the real critical thinker, or are we all correct?

I know I have sent your brain on an errand now

MaxInDHouse:

CRITICAL THINKING!

It simply means you questioning your beliefs so what stops you from asking why different beliefs if it's just one God?
Or that doesn't sound CRITICAL enough to you?

OgaNightmare:
■ It's not hearsay. It's a well known fact in both Evangelical and academic circles among scholars of the New Testament. You can register a free course on TEXTUAL CRITICISM online from any accredited Seminary and you'll even discover more than this. This is just the to of the iceberg.

OgaNightmare:

Nope
You already started with a conclusion that there's just "One God" which is indeed a logical fallacy of begging the question, because
the premise already assumes the truth of the conclusion.

OgaNightmare:


Critical thinking involves skillfull conceptualization, evaluating and analysing information gathered from, or generated by, observation.

Otennaranon I guess is a Pantheist and his own definition of "God" is different from that of a regular church goer. And you said atheist claim to think critically but don't believe in an "infinite mind" as if you got any good case against atheism when your cheap "doctrines can't even hold up to scrutiny.

The infinite mind you're talking about is a bloodthirsty psycho worshipped by the ancient Hebrews. His exploits are already recorded in your Old Testament.....which I don't think you even spend time to look into it

OgaNightmare:

The infinite mind you're talking about is a bloodthirsty psycho worshipped by the ancient Hebrews. His exploits are already recorded in your Old Testament.....which I don't think you even spend time to look into it

MaxInDHouse:


With your so called CRITICAL THINKING why not prove to all religionist claiming they believe in one God that it's not the same God?

CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS is not just about arguing hopelessly and fruitlessly you criticize something hopefully to get a better understanding that will help everyone around you. So are you of the opinion that everyone around you are worshiping the same God or you believe the Gods are numerous?
Prove your thinking skill is superb by presenting a unique conclusion that shows wisdom!

Janosky:

OgaNightMare's doing "critical thinking" alias cowardice inside OgaNightMare's congregation Worshipping the God YHWH whose "exploits are already recorded in the old testament."
Oga Cowardice !!!!!.

MaxInDHouse:


NO! His account was hacked back then so he has recovered it because no sane human can type such a thing and still come back to say his God doesn't worth worshiping.

Ọmọ you have to be very careful o, it seems we have been chatting with psychopaths on this forum walahi talahi!

Janosky:

Brother Max you finish work!
Max my Bro get Doctorate Degree to express Sarcasm.

MaxInDHouse:


With your so called CRITICAL THINKING why not prove to all religionist claiming they believe in one God that it's not the same God?

CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS is not just about arguing hopelessly and fruitlessly you criticize something hopefully to get a better understanding that will help everyone around you. So are you of the opinion that everyone around you are worshiping the same God or you believe the Gods are numerous?
Prove your thinking skill is superb by presenting a unique conclusion that shows wisdom!

Janosky:


OgaNightMare's doing "critical thinking" alias cowardice inside OgaNightMare's congregation Worshipping the God YHWH whose "exploits are already recorded in the old testament."

Oga Cowardice !!!!!.



Dem don use this one brain do rituals.

Read your comment again and see if it makes any sense. I've always known you to be a mentally ill scaliwag.

MaxInDHouse:


NO! His account was hacked back then so he has recovered it because no sane human can type such a thing and still come back to say his God doesn't worth worshiping.

Ọmọ you have to be very careful o, it seems we have been chatting with psychopaths on this forum walahi talahi!

Janosky:


OgaNightMare's doing "critical thinking" alias cowardice inside OgaNightMare's congregation Worshipping the God YHWH whose "exploits are already recorded in the old testament."

Oga Cowardice !!!!!.


Janosky this thing were your papa do you no good.

Which parent's in his right senses will exchange his child's brain for wealth?

OgaNightmare:


Critical thinking involves skillfull conceptualization, evaluating and analysing information gathered from, or generated by, observation.

Otennaranon I guess is a Pantheist and his own definition of "God" is different from that of a regular church goer. And you said atheist claim to think critically but don't believe in an "infinite mind" as if you got any good case against atheism when your cheap "doctrines can't even hold up to scrutiny.

.....which I don't think you even spend time to look into it

The infinite mind you're talking about is a bloodthirsty psycho worshipped by the ancient Hebrews. His exploits are already recorded in your Old Testament

OgaNightmare:

You just deviated from the topic to babble nonsense as usual. You're a living example of an automaton.

OgaNightmare:

Is your brain aware of this comment?
No wonder Courz always treat you guys as the morons you are. I thought he was on the extreme but this just proved he's right.
You're a disgrace to adulthood, I wonder the type of children you'll end up raising.

cornelboy:

Tell this to otenearon 😂😂
So which of the critical thinking is accurate, that the universe came by chance or was designed by an intelligent being?

OgaNightmare:


Dem don use this one brain do rituals.

Read your comment again and see if it makes any sense. I've always known you to be a mentally ill scaliwag.

Psalm 94 the decree of JEHOVAH the God of Vengeance descend on you Oga Mumu Coward hiding among JEHOVAH'S people !!!!!

Isaiah 54:17
"No weapon that is formed against you shall prevail, and every tongue that shall arise against you in judgment you shall condemn. This is the inheritance of the Servants of LORD JEHOVAH, and their righteousness is from before me, says LORD JEHOVAH"

Mumu Coward.

Kobojunkiee:
Manuscripts of the Gospel of Matthew

Janosky:


Psalm 94 the decree of JEHOVAH the God of Vengeance descend on you Oga Mumu Coward hiding among JEHOVAH'S people !!!!!

Isaiah 54:17
"No weapon that is formed against you shall prevail, and every tongue that shall arise against you in judgment you shall condemn. This is the inheritance of the Servants of LORD JEHOVAH, and their righteousness is from before me, says LORD JEHOVAH"

Mumu Coward. ."

OgaNightmare:
■ It's not hearsay. It's a well known fact in both Evangelical and academic circles among scholars of the New Testament.
You can register a free course on TEXTUAL CRITICISM online from any accredited Seminary and you'll even discover more than this. This is just the to of the iceberg.