Mary Winkler didn't wait for her husband Pastor Winkler to mess it up. She gave him the bullet. Just one! In court she brought the stuffs her man made her wear, a very high heel shoe (i think red) and erotic wear  . Oprah was acting somehow last week during the show with her. Her attorney was like 'be careful' Oprah was defensive saying she was quoting Mary.

why should MouthAction be that important anyway? now Naija guys are learning real fast. I see them asking their village 5 wives for oral 

I have a gut feeling that Randy and Juanita's husband both have something in their closet. Good radddiance to bad men.

Hidden somewhere in their hearts is Money and Lust.

osisi, thanks for that passages you quote.

If it's not important to you, then dont marry someone who consider such as being important, Simple.

I'm sure you wouldnt want to be deprived of something you enjoy either.

I wish people would consider things before they jump into marriage instead of expecting marriage to fix everything. It wont. Just end up with two miserable people.

omoge:

why should MouthAction be that important anyway? now Naija guys are learning real fast. I see them asking their village 5 wives for oral

I have a gut feeling that Randy and Juanita's husband both have something in their closet. Good radddiance to bad men.

Hidden somewhere in their hearts is Money and Lust.

Man bashing resumes

Why should MouthAction be that important? MouthAction (put in its place anything you regard as important) is a subjective thing like most of the other human desires, to some people it is very important and necessary, just like 'intercourse' itself, if your attitude is 'why should it be so important' you might already be on the path of a break up.

I am not supporting perversions like anal sex by the way, but like TOH said, it is very important to discuss these sexual compatibility issues before getting married, as well as purifying our minds and mentalities from any debased/objectifying acts/thoughts that got there while in the world.

I don't know the flaws in the men or women in these stories, so I refuse to judge. The abuse is egregiously wrong, but did it just start that day? I don't think so. Marriage needs careful prayer and judgment; It affects the rest of our lives so much. God help us all

@ MP007 Man and Woman WILL fail, the sooner you realise that the better, it may not be infidelity, it may be something else, only God can be trusted to be true and faithful always. Even in marriage we need to rely on His strength always.

debo no put jinx on my way i beg o. i never reach that place yet so relax.

jinx ke? for my own paddy omoge? lai lai

we all need to be careful sha, both preacher and listener, pastors and lay members, none is immune.

i love paula, y is she divorcing her hubby?

acidrop:

i love paula, y is she divorcing her hubby?

answer that question urself after 18 yrs of spousal abuse (er sorry marriage).

y would she marry someone that abuses her

acidrop:

y would she marry someone that abuses her

they call it falling in love.

Juanita Bylum & Paula     Quite disheartening though.

I just couldn't believe it!! The first time i saw a post on it from "Backslider" I thought it was a joke! I thought it was a different Juanita Bylum. "OMG! Could it be real" ?? I muttered. Alas the information I got from the links confirmed it !!! But, what on earth could have gone wrong. Paula?, Bylum It's really surprising. Hmmmh!! For we are not ignorant of the devices of the devil. I'm sure he'll be happy for winning a temporary battle .  I pray the Lord God to take over the situation and destroy every work of the enemy in their lives!. This one isn't ordinary o. Cos they've been great preachers for years and have affected so many lives including moi!!!

It is well.

_davidylan:

they call it falling in love.

davidddddddddddddddddd
glad to see you again.

OlowoTee:

Juanita Bylum & Paula Quite disheartening though.

I just couldn't believe it!! The first time i saw a post on it from "Backslider" I thought it was a joke! I thought it was a different Juanita Bylum. "OMG! Could it be real" ?? I muttered. Alas the information I got from the links confirmed it !!! But, what on earth could have gone wrong. Paula?, Bylum It's really surprising. Hmmmh!! For we are not ignorant of the devices of the devil. I'm sure he'll be happy for winning a temporary battle . I pray the Lord God to take over the situation and destroy every work of the enemy in their lives!. This one isn't ordinary o. Cos they've been great preachers for years and have affected so many lives including moi!!!

It is well.

My dear sister,I've been very saddened by this news.
These women are my 2 greatest women of God and I have been truly blessed by them.
I prayed for them last night and took time reflecting on myself on this issue and abuse and divorce amongst Christians.
I talked to God out loud and poured out my heart.
This is soooooo discouraging but we must look up to Christ.

+osisi:

davidddddddddddddddddd
glad to see you again.

@ topic, there's no point being sad that so-called "children of God" are now divorcing. I know of several christian couples who are living in marital bondage but wont break up because it is "unchristian". To spend countless hours in the "Service of God" to the neglect of our primary constituency (marriage) will not score us brownie points with God.

Too much prayer, fasting and bible reading that we forget that our partners have emotional and physical needs. What a pity!
I will NEVER consider being a pastor neither will i marry someone who is actively "working in the Lord's vineyard", i wouldnt want my story to end this way.

hey david

and I agree with you.

Anyway Im sure God is willing to forgive if you divorce rather than put yourself in danger.
Juanita was being abused
Randy was going around with various women

Is Juanita supposed to stay til an early death and Paula stay til she contacts a STD.

They should be thanking God that they even have time to run while in one piece.

@osisi


I want you to know what Judge is.

In the Old testament there is a part called judges. God raised up men that Could STAND OUT. There are bad judges and good Judges.

If I pronounce a verdict with the appropriate Charges then I am a bad Judge. But see by the biblical standard I am No Judge I cant even Judge Justify My self because Jesus(THE WORD) is The only true Judge. I preach the THE WORD ( JUDGEMENT AND JUSTIFICATION)

You kow when a sentence is passed it is to Justify the Wrong but in the things of the spirit it is not so. Jesus has paid all the sentence that is why we must marry our self with the Word( JESUS)

Backslider:

Jesus has paid all the sentence that is why we must marry our self with the Word( JESUS)

So many people are "married to the WORD" that they forget that they actually married someone on a saturday at the altar. Being married to Jesus is the most important aspect of our lives but at the same time we must realise that the same Jesus instituted marriage and charged us to love our wives as much as HE loves the church. He died for the church - that should give you an idea of how much He expects you to love ur spouse.

@ TOH, back from the land of the dead. I have plenty of appologies to make to you. . .

yes, yes you do.

Figured a snowball crushed you in Rochester.

ThiefOfHearts:

hey david

and I agree with you.

Anyway I'm sure God is willing to forgive if you divorce rather than put yourself in danger.
Juanita was being abused
Randy was going around with various women

Is Juanita supposed to stay til an early death and Paula stay til she contacts a STD.

They should be thanking God that they even have time to run while in one piece.

TOH I hear you but you miss my point.
go to youtube and see seminars by Bishop weeks and Juanita about marriages.
It is so beautiful
Paula always preaches on love and family and her Randy.
It is saddening for me as a woman to learn that this was all pretence.
That while they were preaching and seeming so happily married,they were very unhappy.
It is hard for me to imagine that someone can preach so well and convincingly on what they are not experiencing in their homes

+osisi:

TOH I hear you but you miss my point.
go to youtube and see seminars by Bishop weeks and Juanita about marriages.
It is so beautiful
Paula always preaches on love and family and her Randy.
It is saddening for me as a woman to learn that this was all pretence.
That while they were preaching and seeming so happily married,they were very unhappy.
It is hard for me to imagine that someone can preach so well and convincingly on what they are not experiencing in their homes

lol Judas Iscariot came back rejoicing that even the devils where subject to him. At the end of the day he betrayed Jesus and hanged himself.

It is one thing to preach and another thing to actually live what you preach. There is this false idea that those who preach on love and marriage must be going through heaven in their own marriages, nothing could be farther from the truth. I know of a christian couple whose daughters ii grew up with, the husband and wife ALWAYS sang together in church so much so that everyone assumed theirs was a marriage made in heaven.
2 weeks ago i got the sad news that the randy fellow was living with another wife and kid!

Work on your own marriage and expend less energy on those who say one thing and do the opposite. The devil is working overtime now because he knows his time is very short. Let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

ThiefOfHearts:

yes, yes you do.

Figured a snowball crushed you in Rochester.

not really. Some family and personal issues. We'll talk later. _{no one died!}

_davidylan:

So many people are "married to the WORD" that they forget that they actually married someone on a saturday at the altar. Being married to Jesus is the most important aspect of our lives but at the same time we must realise that the same Jesus instituted marriage and charged us to love our wives as much as HE loves the church. He died for the church - that should give you an idea of how much He expects you to love your spouse.

@ TOH, back from the land of the dead. I have plenty of appologies to make to you. . .

I had a chat with my husband yesterday on this issue.
The common denominator these 2 women have is that they were not just pastors wives but had powerful ministries of their own,ministries a lot more widely known than their husband churches.
I began to wonder if it's a good thing for women to venture out in these sort of missions on their own.
Could the "jealousy factor" be a cause in their marital collapse or abuse.

Just as I believe all these marriages with husbands in Nigeria and wives in America with kids are no marriages at all in the real sense.
A woman who is always on the road preaching without her husband also sets her marriage up for failure .
There are physical and emotional needs that must be met in marriage and there are no ifs or buts.

Backslider what you've done is blame Juanita for her marital failure.
The much I know is that her husband is physically abusive
and that is enough for her to leave.

osisi, would you say this entire situation has changed your mind in regards to these women. Like if they were to continue preaching (obviously now solo), would you take them seriously or no?

+osisi:

I had a chat with my husband yesterday on this issue.
The common denominator these 2 women have is that they were not just pastors wives but had powerful ministries of their own,ministries a lot more widely known than their husband churches.
I began to wonder if it's a good thing for women to venture out in these sort of missions on their own.
Could the "jealousy factor" be a cause in their marital collapse or abuse.

Probably not a jealousy factor. The last thing on my mind would be jealousy if my wife had a thriving ministry. The big issue here is the amount or lack of quality time. Marriage is like a farm, if you cultivate it you will reap bountifully, if you leave it fallow weeds will grow.

These women spend so much time in the "vineyard of God" that it is a miracle that they even get to sleep with their husbands more than once a yr!

TOH you cannot imagine how much this situation has affected me.
I lay in bed last night and looked at my husband.
For the first time a thought flashed through my mind.

I wondered if it was possible that this man who knows I love him dearly whom I believe is also crazy about me could ever entertain the thoughts of seeing another woman.
How,why?
But then I look around at Christians I love and respect and they are beating their wives to a pulp in public
and shamelessly commiting adultery sometimes with fellow men.
This is against everything I learnt in Christianity.
where then lies the difference?

@osisi

Can you not take a look at the history of the lady in question. The writing was on the wall.  However there is room for repentance. Ask her if this is her 1st divorce. There is a pastor that put away his wife here in Ghana. This things are not new.

They are what is happening when 2 people that are not Christians call themselves MOG and mount the Altar.  The man is held responsible for the family Look at who God first of all asked when they sinned in the Garden of Eden.

Being a man of God is the toughest Job but being a Demon led Man of God is very simple. Look at Job, Satan Used his own family as a test for his faith in God. His wife failed the test because she was not steadfast with God.

_davidylan:



@ topic, there's no point being sad that so-called "children of God" are now divorcing. I know of several christian couples who are living in marital bondage but wont break up because it is "unchristian".

But is that the will of God that every so called "children of God" should have broken marriages!!!!

To spend countless hours in the "Service of God" to the neglect of our primary constituency (marriage) will not score us brownie points with God.
Too much prayer, fasting and bible reading that we forget that our partners have emotional and physical needs. What a pity!
I will NEVER consider being a pastor neither will i marry someone who is actively "working in the Lord's vineyard", i wouldnt want my story to end this way.

Sure! you're making a point here, but did you know that even those that give 100% of their time to the emotional and Physical needs of their husband still fall apart?

I will NEVER consider being a pastor neither will i marry someone who is actively "working in the Lord's vineyard", i wouldnt want my story to end this way.

Moderation is the right word. "too much of everything is BAD"


Oops! Davidylannnnny. You're welcome back

ThiefOfHearts:

osisi, would you say this entire situation has changed your mind in regards to these women. Like if they were to continue preaching (obviously now solo), would you take them seriously or no?

IT wouldn't change my opinion of them,I know God'll help them to be even more powerful women of God and turn their pain into testimonies.
What I question is the people that'll remain in Randy and Bishop week's churches.
What will they be going there for, knowing what manner of man the "man of God" is.

I agree on that osisi.

I would hope no one goes to that wife beater's church anymore.

Olowo, no one is hoping for broken marriage but "Christianity" shouldnt be a reason to advocate staying in an abusive marriage. God help those who help themselves. Why should He help if you want to STAY in danger

OlowoTee:

But is that the will of God that every so called "children of God" should have broken marriages!!!!


Sure! you're making a point here, but did you know that even those that give [b]100% of their time to the emotional and Physical needs of their husband still fall apart? [/b]

Moderation is the right word. "too much of everything is BAD"


Oops! Davidylannnnny. You're welcome back

You took the words out of my mouth.
There are women who give all of themselves and still get cheated on either by way of second and third wives or by him having concubines.
I cannot understand how a man who is supposed to be following the ways of Christ would descend so low.
Unbelievers and the heathen don't have the mind the mind of Christ they can do whatever till they come to Christ.
But then for Christians filled with the Holy Spirit,there ought to be a standard.

OlowoTee:

But is that the will of God that every so called "children of God" should have broken marriages!!!!

God makes it clear in His WORD that divorce is certainly not His will. But even He indicates that there are cases where it is inevitable, in this case adultery.
That you are child of God does not make you immune to the vagaries of human life, if you dont work on your marriage, God wont come down from heaven to perform magic.

OlowoTee:

Sure! you're making a point here, but did you know that even those that give 100% of their time to the emotional and Physical needs of their husband still fall apart?

That's sad and inevitable. As long as we remain in human flesh somethings are just bound to turn out the way they do.

OlowoTee:

Oops! Davidylannnnny. You're welcome back

thanks  

Backslider:

@osisi

Can you not take a look at the history of the lady in question. The writing was on the wall.  However there is room for repentance. Ask her if this is her 1st divorce. There is a pastor that put away his wife here in Ghana. This things are not new.

@Backslider!

Permit me to say this That God can use any media to relate His message to His people. I actually got to learn about the other side of Juanita from your various post. It baffled me.

You might be right with your findings about her lifestyles and all sorts, but It's not impossible that God's anointing still holds on her. There've been cases of once professed men of God who even after they backslided still had the touch of anointing on them and they could still do wondrous things. e.g A.A.Allen. Do you now condemn the innocent flocks under such ministry What I do is I extract the good of the message, the ones applicable to me and leave out others.

One thing i've learnt is that I shouldn't underestimate the media through which God could use to speak to me. He can use anybody even animals. If the medium seems doubtful. Please, do give her a break. Though she might have fallen, but there's still second chance with God!!!! Let's pray that God bring her back and others to the fold and not

I beg to disagree with backslider.
What exactly does he say Juanita did?
what makes her a false prophet.
I don't see it!
Did she make false claims or are her words unbiblical.
Is it her flashy dressing?

I don't particularly fancy Christians who go around pointing fingers at other Christians.
and judging people on eating meat.
just like Christians that'll condemn those who don't wear scarves 24/7 ,who wear make up or trousers.

Randy kind of has a gay look. Bishop Week looks like someone on drug!

Juanita's wedding was one huge wedding and when TBN showed the very long wedding few months ago, i was like 'what is going on? are they having problem? Yet it was so inspirational that i glued my eyes to the tv, "
I had a feeling something was amiss here is an excerpt on Youtube

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/19103/juanita-bynum-wedding

Some men are jittery of a woman's success. Watch out when your man says darling go out there/into the world and achieve whatever you can, I'm rooting for you/support you in whatever you do.