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There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by Dandal: 7:46am On Dec 28, 2023
Israel has vowed time and again to eliminate the group responsible for the brutal Oct. 7 attack, but critics increasingly see that goal as unrealistic or even impossible

Standing before a gray backdrop decorated with Hamas logos and emblems of a gunman that commemorate the bloody Oct. 7 attack on Israel, Osama Hamdan, the organization’s representative in Lebanon, professed no concern about his Palestinian faction being dislodged from Gaza.

“We are not worried about the future of the Gaza Strip,” he recently told a crowded news conference in his offices in Beirut’s southern suburbs. “The decision maker is the Palestinian people alone.”

Mr. Hamdan thus dismissed one of Israel’s key objectives since the beginning of its assault on Gaza: to dismantle the Islamist political and military organization that was behind the massacre of about 1,200 people, according to Israeli officials, and which still holds more than 100 hostages.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel has repeatedly emphasized that objective even while facing mounting international pressure to scale back military operations. The Biden administration has dispatched senior envoys to Israel to push for a new phase of the war focused on more targeted operations rather than sweeping destruction.

And critics both within Israel and outside have questioned whether resolving to destroy such a deeply entrenched organization was ever realistic. One former Israeli national security adviser called the plan “vague.”

“I think that we have reached a moment when the Israeli authorities will have to define more clearly what their final objective is,” President Emmanuel Macron of France said this month. “The total destruction of Hamas? Does anybody think that’s possible? If it’s that, the war will last 10 years.”

Since it first emerged in 1987, Hamas has survived repeated attempts to eliminate its leadership. The organization’s very structure was designed to absorb such contingencies, according to political and military specialists. In addition, Israel’s devastating tactics in the Gaza war threaten to radicalize a broader segment of the population, inspiring new recruits.

Analysts see the most optimal outcome for Israel probably consisting of degrading Hamas’s military capabilities to prevent the group from repeating such a devastating attack. But even that limited goal is considered a formidable slog.

Hamas is rooted in the ideology that Israeli control over what it regards as Palestinians lands must be opposed by force, a tenet likely to endure, experts said.

“As long as that context is there, you will be dealing with some form of Hamas,” said Tahani Mustafa, senior Palestine analyst at the International Crisis Group think tank. “To assume that you can simply uproot an organization like that is fantasy.”


The Israeli military said this week that it had killed about 8,000 Hamas fighters out of a force estimated at 25,000 to 40,000. But it is unclear how the count is being made. About 500 have surrendered, according to the military, though Hamas has denied that all were from its ranks.

The military has at times delivered positive progress reports on its objectives, describing as “imminent” full control over the areas in northern Gaza where it began its ground offensive in late October.

But Mr. Netanyahu acknowledged on Sunday that the war “is exacting a very heavy cost from us” as the military announced that 15 soldiers had been killed in the previous 48 hours alone. Rockets are still being fired almost daily from southern Gaza into Israel, albeit far fewer than before.

Michael Milshtein, a former senior intelligence officer for Israel, criticized statements by some Israeli leaders depicting Hamas as being at its breaking point, saying that might create false expectations about the length of the war.

“They’ve been saying this for a while, that Hamas is collapsing,” Mr. Milshtein said. “But it’s just not true. Every day, we’re facing tough battles.”


The group’s top echelon are believed to be sheltering, along with most of its fighters and the remaining hostages, in deep tunnels. Although the Israeli army has said that it demolished at least 1,500 shafts, experts consider the underground infrastructure is largely intact.

The tunnels, built over 15 years, are believed to be so extensive, estimated at hundreds of miles long, that Israelis call them the Gaza Metro.

“Hamas is actually weathering this assault quite well,” said Tareq Baconi, an author who wrote a book about the group. “It’s still showing that it has an offensive military capability.”

Giora Eiland, a retired major general and former head of Israel’s National Security Council, said Hamas had demonstrated the ability to quickly replace commanders who are killed with others equally capable and equally devoted.

“From a professional point of view, I must give credit to their resilience,” he said. “I cannot see any signs of collapse of the military abilities of Hamas nor in their political strength to continue to lead Gaza.”

The scale of Israel’s war is likely to radicalize a new generation: More than 20,000 Gazans have been reported killed thus far, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-war-military.html

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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by VawulentMan: 8:58am On Dec 28, 2023
It's funny how humanity can afford war despite it cost not just money but life, whereas food, shelter and access to basic amenity is far cheaper.

But Omo, peace for where tongue

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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by XAUBulls: 9:12am On Dec 28, 2023
Dandal:

“From a professional point of view, I must give credit to their resilience,” he said. “I cannot see any signs of collapse of the military abilities of Hamas nor in their political strength to continue to lead Gaza.”

The scale of Israel’s war is likely to radicalize a new generation: More than 20,000 Gazans have been reported killed thus far, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-war-military.html
Indeed.

The extensive tunnel infrastructure built over the last few years has aided the resilience of this criminal group called Hamas. To make things even more complex, most Palestinians from childhood have been indoctrinated to have intense hate for all Israelis, the Western countries, and non-Muslims just like the Thai and two Tanzanian citizens that were killed (the 21-year-old Black Tanzanian worker in Southern Israel who was videoed being deliberately stabbed to death despite NOT being an Israeli citizen).

Joshua Mollel: Tanzania says student killed in Israel by Hamas
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-67713520

HOW THE HAMAS GROUP KILLED A YOUNG TANZANIAN, JOSHUA MOLLEL



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPI1FUpUMK0
HABARI 24 · Dec 18, 2023

=>https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/tanzanian-national-hostage-hamas-confirmed-dead/story?id=105654126


Second is the support of Iran and other Palestinian allies in fueling this hate and war by supplying funds, weapons, and other logistics thereby aggravating the situation in the Middle East. It's gonna be a drawn out war.

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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by mannobi(m): 12:03pm On Dec 28, 2023
Defiant people. Terrorists will always have evil people supporting them

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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by Dnet9dnet: 12:03pm On Dec 28, 2023
Maintain peace and unity.

Happy new year in advance.

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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by MrDoGood(m): 12:03pm On Dec 28, 2023
See how they're using their words to push for more war and killings. Things you say to get the other party angry to show you what they're truly made of. Trying to provoke Israel into going in with full strength instead of speaking peace.

Some leaders self. I wonder what they have upstairs to offer. To me, that's the best they can offer.

Same way they talked about Ukraine and Russia almost crushed them. Thank God they stopped and gave warning for Ukraine never to join NATO. Leaders pushing for war with words of mouth.

It's a pity

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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by Houseofglam7(f): 12:03pm On Dec 28, 2023
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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by Yugoslavia247(m): 12:03pm On Dec 28, 2023
And Hamas is crying for cease fire.

New York times or Hamas times.

Don't play.

Israel dey give them hot fire and brimstones.

Same Israel that captures them dead or alive.

By the time New York times finally reports that Hamas is defeated maybe then Palestinians will be begging to come to Sudan

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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by SalamRushdie: 12:04pm On Dec 28, 2023
That is a lie, most of their commanders have been unalived and most of their underground bases vaporised

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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by Nwaezeudo: 12:04pm On Dec 28, 2023
IDF will keep pounding them like fufu! cheesy

God bless Israel

As for the terrorists and their sympathisers even here on nairaland you all will get what you deserve.

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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by Naitajii(m): 12:04pm On Dec 28, 2023
Discussed it with a friend yesterday

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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by naijapikin2(m): 12:06pm On Dec 28, 2023
HAMAS will be defeated

Insha Jehovah.

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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by ekelebeXstunner: 12:07pm On Dec 28, 2023
War is never easy. Before attacking, most opponents have a cache of humans and ammunitions to fiercely engage with. Is Israel tired of propaganda finally? Time will tell.

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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by tishbite42: 12:07pm On Dec 28, 2023
Na wa o

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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by Available9: 12:07pm On Dec 28, 2023
Because Israel is following international war standards...if they wipe the entire region, the same "new York times" will shout "humanitarian pause"

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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by Natbrowny: 12:08pm On Dec 28, 2023
I see religious argument loading.

Religion IS EVIL.

Na better control mechanism

A loving GOD wil throw u in hell of burning fire forevwr for disobeying HIM, when he already knows u will disobey HIM as per. Omnipresent

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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by amnesty7: 12:08pm On Dec 28, 2023
In other words, the paper is indirectly supporting further genocide. Go on, it is just a matter of time.

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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by PlutoChief: 12:08pm On Dec 28, 2023
Fantastic
Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by Dbestbrest: 12:09pm On Dec 28, 2023
It is absurd to see hamas using children and women as shield and claiming that they can match up with Israel. The earlier they own up the better for them to stop further killings of innocent civilians. You are hiding in tunnels and coming out occasionally to attack and think that's how to with a war? As Israel had divided the strip into 3, it will make the job easier for them to destroy all the tunnels in the north, then relocate central Gazans to north before obliterating Hamas and their tunnels from central Gaza before moving to south. I just pity the dead men still walking and hiding in Turkey, Lebanon and Qatar, as their days on earth are numbered

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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by Natbrowny: 12:10pm On Dec 28, 2023
amnesty7:
In other words, the paper is indirectly supporting further genocide. Go on, it is just a matter of time.

Thats d plan. They throw planned news into the media.. So war can continue. 😂

The billionaire selling ammunitions right now be smiling jejely with whiskey. 😂

Chai..

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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by Originality007: 12:10pm On Dec 28, 2023
ok. new York times just want make Israel finish the whole gaza. if not dey will not say this.

The destruction in Gaza now, Will take 10 to 20yrs, b4 Gaza will come bk to it normal level.

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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by madridguy(m): 12:11pm On Dec 28, 2023
“They’ve been saying this for a while, that Hamas is collapsing,” Mr. Milshtein said. “But it’s just not true. Every day, we’re facing tough battles.”

grin grin grin

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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by Tjra: 12:11pm On Dec 28, 2023
bigiyaro:
It's a very tough challenge, how do you eliminate 2 million+ terrorists? Total elimination of hamas equals total elimination of the strip. In any case, isreal is trying, at least, no more paragliding and firing of 5k rockets per day.
Just like eliminating IPOB from the East. It's hard to do because you don't know who is who.

You can't completely win a war when the locals passively support the rebels/terrorists.

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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by misreal(m): 12:12pm On Dec 28, 2023
When has war ever been easy?

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Re: There Is No Sign Of The Decline Of Hamas' Military Power - New York Times by CoronaVirusPro: 12:12pm On Dec 28, 2023
One thing is certain, Palestinians will be free from the river to the sea!

It happened in South Africa, and here we are today!

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