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Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by rayopt(m): 1:53pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
Iceberg3: What? You need my writing to be exceptional to please you? You dey pay me? If you don't get that, read another comment. Life no hard. Not changing any grammar for yall. |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by dacool1(m): 1:55pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
nairalanda1: Kindly point out any of these cost that has risen by 1000% to justify same increase in the final cost |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by favor914: 1:55pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
Leboska:Ignorant Leboska Thing, blame the people that handed your power sector over to quacks on November 7th 2013, and told you then, blame us if you don’t have electricity in 10 years time. Where is Jonathan, he is in Otuoke, Bayelsa State, where is Pdp secretariat, it is @ address: Wadata Plaza, Plot 1970, Michael Okpara Street, Zone 5, Wuse, Abuja 904101, Federal Capital Territory Abuja. |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by nairalanda1(m): 1:57pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
dacool1: They have. All of them. Costs of things have gone up. It is sad, but we are not the masters of our fate here. 1 Like |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by dacool1(m): 2:01pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
Olaide1295: Stop preaching demand and supply alone. There are so many factors that determines price. How has deregulation brought down price of diesel or kerosene. Every serious economies that wishes to grow subsidizes important sectors of their economies. Subisdy isn't a bad thing. The way they go about it in Nigeria should be questioned. Cost don't just jump by over 1000% in 6 to 9 months. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by PoliteActivist: 2:02pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
happney65:*Politeness* Then how will these people survive: Importers and sellers of generators, inverters, batteries,, solar panels, and all the repair and other industries attached to them?? So it's not as easy as it seems. (I'm only being tongue-in-cheek. But some powerful interests don't want constant electricity) |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by dacool1(m): 2:05pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
nairalanda1: I agree there has been significant increase in prices but not enough to trigger 1000% rise in cost of subsidy. When they are done milking the coffers through this subsidy, they will remove it and introduce paliatives for imaginary people. |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by nairalanda1(m): 2:17pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
dacool1: Well, whatever the corrupt government does , that is where people should hold them to account. But I have discovered on this site that people are far more interested in their side winning. I have no side, so I just watch But when all is said and done, if you want a working anything, profits have to be part of the picture. Because unfortunately people all love being paid. 1 Like |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by Bluntemperor: 2:18pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
dacool1: Don't mind the guy above you,as many would talk, without telling us anything- just imagine the Nonsense he is saying ' High Costs! Please blame the Toois instead! •Or may be he is in the DISCOS bracket of workers that are always bound to tell Nigerians-this bullshit of Excuses and Non- performance! Can you just imagine - let that guy give us the No of the New Transformers that have been purchased by e.g Ikeja and Eko DISCOS - since they took over from NEPA, but here he is chewing his words,as if Ghana has not moved to Supply Steady Lights ( 365- Days),Non -Stop.They even celebrated it more than a Decade ago( over 10- years of) un- interrupted Power Supply! •But here somebody is defending Huge Corruption, Laziness, and lack of Foresight and inability to think outside the Box! •While DISCOS are given Darkness in Nigeria, America,Ghana,etc are given Steady Lights every day ( day and night)! No wander many Companies are saying ' Ghana have a suitable Economic Policy' for Businesses to grow ! e g where are the Michelin Tyres,the Dunlop Tyres industry? •Nigerians are in Perpetual Darkness for we allowed these DISCOS - to rub us on our face,they still charged us the darkness through the Estimated Billings - which is being condoned by •Our National Assembly Members ( Senators and House of Reps). You sane Nigerians now wants to know how- Ajaokuta Steel and others wants to get Industilisation in Nigeria. A very Big Shameful entity and their Corrupt Workers! •Attention - President Tinubu On DISCOS Failures! 2 Likes |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by bluefilm: 2:25pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
When balabluu talk say e go continue from where the other one stopped, little did people know that he wasn't joking |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by Banbanna(m): 2:28pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
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Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by nairalanda1(m): 2:29pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
Bluntemperor: Well, at the end of the day, if a company is not allowed to make a profit, abuse and crisis of what you speak about is going to happen. See how the GSM and food sector operate, and you would see a profit is needed to make things work. No need to lose your head over the fact, or write long stories about it. If you are this angry, then join a party and be the change you want. 1 Like |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by happney65: 2:35pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
nairalanda1: The GSM sector was totally unbundled. Then government handed off patapata they only started monitoring the sector. If obasanjo didn't unbundle it and did the type of yeye one the Jonathan administration did,it would have been a case of network outage for hours or days like it happens currently with Electricity. Government should hands off Generation Distribution Transmission Completely 4 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by hkidola00(m): 2:45pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
gabbasin:lolz you talikin about distribution and not generation,generation of elect is the main thing |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by MrSly(m): 3:58pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
ogododo:Is it the settlement of cronies with power sector you called privatization? |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by happney65: 4:04pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
PoliteActivist: They will go find another job to do. Availability of electricity is for the greater good and not for so and so. There is no big deal in we having electricity they don't want to leave it yet make them also chop for there. It was like this too in telecommunications. Nitel staff made a killing for giving us nothing. It was only the rich or upper middle class then that could afford a telephone. People used to come to our house to receive calls on our landline because not many people had phones at home then. With days or weeks of telephone outage then. Until the right thing was done and here we are told. Nitel folded up and we are better off today ain't we? So they should do the right thing and are better 2 Likes |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by PoliteActivist: 4:13pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
happney65: *Politeness* Ok, you've stylishly told is your house was part of "the rich or upper middle class" But seriously, what other job do you want a billionaire big-time generator importer to get? And you think he'd just fold his hands and allow it? |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by porthouse7(f): 7:00pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
Leboska:let ask of Bert Nnaji first |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by evanvick: 7:24pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
As far as I am concerned , any government that can not fix the power sector is a total failure. I rest my case |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by Cromagnon: 7:42pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
nairalanda1: sounds like it's good for the poor, but is it truly . no you wouldn' Rice would disappear completely from the market .The problem is, that means a subsidy of at least 38000 naira per bag. Based on the volume of rice in this country, that would slam our budget badly and seriously. they do, but elections must be womb and votes must be bought .But then again, what can one do.? The USSR subsidised a lot of things. It helped a lot of people certainly, but it also led to the collapse of the USSR itself. aka it didn't help anyone .shikena |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by gabbasin: 7:59pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
hkidola00:when there's cost reflective tariff by the discos it will draw investment that will impact on all the sectors. The generation, transmission and distribution. The more profitable the business, the more investment it will attract to all the sectors. 1 Like |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by HenryWilliams(m): 8:49pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
Like someone earlier said What's the point in them fixing their prices when the cost of repair, refurbishing transformers, buying of cables and feeder poles is passed onto the consumers? I've never heard of such.. only in Nigeria. |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by Anunakeeh: 10:49pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
Godjone: |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by hkidola00(m): 11:57pm On Dec 29, 2023 |
gabbasin:hmmmm |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by Iamanoited: 8:24am On Dec 30, 2023 |
THE BANE OF IT ALL IN NIGERIA IS EXECUTIVE SELFISHNESS, LEGISLATIVE RECKLESSNESS AND JUDICIAL HANDICAPPED MIGHT. ADOPT FAPRES FOTCS AND CTC FOCS TRFG. GET THE 37 CEOS OF STATES AND FG IN HEALTHY COMPETITION WITH THEMSELVES . AND YOU WILL BE GLAD YOU DID. |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by Charleblings123(m): 8:39am On Dec 30, 2023 |
Each state shud try and generate their own power...jst like edo state, benin city... slowly and surely it will soon spread to all parts of benin nd outside the city 1 Like |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by omohayek: 11:05am On Dec 30, 2023 |
bentenny:All of this irrelevant, as long as the price controls on electricity charges aren't eliminated. Having coal or gas in your state doesn't magically abolish the laws of economics: as long as electricity is sold for less than it costs to produce, there will be zero incentive to provide it, and zero profits that can be channelled into infrastructure upkeep, let alone to invest in improvements. Nairalanders can bleat about "Fashola" or "corruption" to their heart's content, but the reason why Nigeria's electricity supply has stagnated for more than 30 years is the same one why a nation which has been in OPEC for 50 years has no working government-run refineries: Nigerians repeatedly refuse to accept the true price of what things cost to produce. 2 Likes |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by bentenny(m): 11:31am On Dec 30, 2023 |
omohayek:The present way of supplying electricity will ensure that only few states and Abuja might likely achieve close to 18 hours power supply! When electricity generation, transmission and distribution is decentralized to states,its an opportunity to ensure electricity is concentrated at the states not through a national grid! This will first reduce transmission lines cost and ensure concentration on providing power to states by the state government! Once there is constant electricity in those states while the maintenance and repair of their equipments is in their purview,consumers will pay for whatever is asked! But if the electricity is not even close to inconsistent,how do you expect consumers to pay for services they don't get? |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by omohayek: 12:15pm On Dec 30, 2023 |
bentenny:I am not against the decentralization of Nigeria's power infrastructure - in fact, I've argued for it on here in the past. While there are efficiency gains to be had from a single power grid spanning the entire country, better that there be multiple regional grids that are actively maintained and reliable than a "national" grid that is in constant disrepair. That said, decentralization still doesn't address the main issue with Nigeria's power sector: the inability of GENCOs and DISCOs to charge enough to cover their costs. You say that "consumers will pay for whatever is asked", but that is simply not even close to being true. Nigerian consumers would rather put up with constant shortages than pay what it costs to produce something they desire - just look at the backlash to Tinubu's attempt to abolish the petrol subsidy (a move he was actually forced into by the country's impending default on its loan obligations). Is it any surprise, then, that no government has dared to allow the GENCOs and DISCOs to freely set their own rates, instead of having to come and beg for increases every few years? Most Nigerians have no comprehension of opportunity costs, and see nothing wrong with having to buy "I pass my neighbor" generators to compliment the unreliable "cheap" power they are offered by private companies which can't even cover their costs, just as most Nigerians prefer "cheap" petrol that is constantly in short supply over market-priced fuel that leaves room for the government to invest in basics like good roads, education and basic health care. You can decentralize all you want, but this mentality will still be there wrecking any efforts whether at the state or even LGA level. Nigerians say they are willing to pay for reliable power, but few are ready to do so upfront, as if heavily indebted and unprofitable GENCOs and DISCOs are in any position to offer under-priced power indefinitely until Nigerians feel it is reliable enough to be worth paying for (which will in reality be "never" ). Bottom line: decentralization would be helpful, but most of Nigeria's power sector problems would go away in a few months if the government (i) permanently removed all the price controls on the GENCOs and DISCOs, instead of forcing them to beg annually for changes, and (ii) abolished a true floating-rate exchange regime (making a parallel "black market" pointless). This would reassure foreign investors that they can repatriate their earnings as and when they see fit. 1 Like |
Re: Nigerians Groan In Darkness Despite Power Sector Privatisation, Investments by IbeOkehie: 1:08pm On Dec 30, 2023 |
nairalanda1: It's curious why you keep putting out statements that you know are complete LIES on a public forum. It seems you're doing it just to appear even handed in your criticism? Right? Cement used to be a subsidized and price controlled commodity. The result was scarcity and at least two "cement armada" scandals under Presidents Gowon and Shagari. It was President Obasanjo of the PDP that cancelled cement subsidy, privatized the industry and imposed a free market. Here's President Jonathan of the PDP in December 2011 - https://www.channelstv.com/2011/12/16/president-jonathan-appreciates-the-pain-of-the-people-but-insists-on-fuel-subsidy-removal/ https://dailypost.ng/2011/12/07/oil-subsidyjonathan-insists-on-subsidy-removal-senators-divided/ Why do you insist on lying about PDP policy on subsidies? For that matter, IBB was the one that initiated free market policy via SAP, you should have exempted him from that blanket list. What PDP did on taking power was to restart the implementation of SAP. That's all. Without SAP there would be ZERO productivity in the Nigerian economy. IBB saved Nigerians from penury but today he's probably the most unpopular President, mention his name and Nigerians start spatzing out. Note how most Nigerians hate both Jonathan and IBB but still venerate Buhari and Murtala. That's a clear measure of the socio-economic sentiments of the Nigerian people. Nigerians are SOCIALIST, they PREFER socialism. PDP tried to save them when conditions were more suited to change, but they allowed themselves to be deceived by APC due to tribal & religious sympathies. Thank God the internet is here, this isn't the old days when anyone can make any false claim and it can't be refuted. Have a good day. Good Luck to Nigerians. |
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