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David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by AntiChristian: 9:47am On Feb 09
So Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and from that day on the Spirit of the LORD came powerfully upon David. Samuel then went to Ramah. 1 Samuel 16:13

We can see from the above "and from that day on the spirit of Yahweh came powerfully on David (Just like Samson in Judges 14)".

But in 2 Samuel

David saw Bathsheba taking her bath and was attracted!
He sent his husband Uriah to death in battle to have her!

So where was the holy Spirit in David?
What was the holy Spirit doing in David?

FxMasterz
TenQ
Sirtee15

It seems only the New Testament Holy Spirit is perfect!
That in OT no get joy at all!
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by otipoju(m): 9:55am On Feb 09
AntiChristian:


We can see from the above "and from that day on the spirit of Yahweh came powerfully on David (Just like Samson in Judges 14)".

But in 2 Samuel

David saw Bathsheba taking her bath and was attracted!
He sent his husband Uriah to death in battle to have her!

So where was the holy Spirit in David?
What was the holy Spirit doing in David?

God never tells us to relinquish our will if not we will just become zombies or robots with no mind of ours.

After the Holy Spirit came on David, did he stop eating, sleeping or bathing?
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by AntiChristian: 9:56am On Feb 09
otipoju:


God never tells us to relinquish our will if not we will just become zombies or robots with no mind of ours.

After the Holy Spirit came on David, did he stop eating, sleeping or bathing?

No! He didn't!

where was the holy Spirit in David?
What was the holy Spirit doing in David?
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by Mvnster: 10:10am On Feb 09
AntiChristian:


No! He didn't!

where was the holy Spirit in David?
What was the holy Spirit doing in David?
So because he has the Holy Spirit, he cant be tempted or make any mistakes?
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by FxMasterz: 10:30am On Feb 09
Mvnster:

So because he has the Holy Spirit, he cant be tempted or make any mistakes?

He doesn't understand the work of the Holy Spirit and His operations in believers, so he's creating wrong topics that hold no water.

Their lying Quran portrayed prophets to them as people incapable of sinning.
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by otipoju(m): 10:40am On Feb 09
AntiChristian:


No! He didn't!

where was the holy Spirit in David?
What was the holy Spirit doing in David?

Use your head. What exactly is your question?
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by Mvnster: 10:47am On Feb 09
FxMasterz:


He doesn't understand the work of the Holy Spirit and His operations in believers, so he's creating wrong topics that hold no water.

Their lying Quran portrayed prophets to them as people incapable of sinning.
Their allah is not called the best of deceivers for nothing. Its same spirit which decieved adam and eve to eat of the forbiden fruit.
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by FxMasterz: 10:54am On Feb 09
Mvnster:

Their allah is not called the best of deceivers for nothing. Its same spirit which decieved adam and eve to eat of the forbiden fruit.

Meanwhile, their Allah told them Adam was a prophet. They couldn't even take a clue from the fact that Adam their prophet committed sin; what would then stop other prophets from committing sin? Prophet Adam of Islam disobeyed Allah by approaching a tree Allah commanded him not to approach. So, then, if it is impossible for prophets to commit sin, why did Adam commit the sin of disobedience?

The only truth Allah told them in that their Quran was that Jesus was sinless. Every other thing in the Quran was a lie. And indeed Jesus was sinless. He was the only sinless man who ever lived. That should be an eye opener to the average Muslim but the lies they hold on to were planted through a well coordinated indoctrination and brainwashing process. They can't even see truth if you break their heads and put it inside. Every Muslim needs some sort of deliverance from the Deceptive spirit of Allah before they can see truth. Allah is very good at his job. Indeed, he's the best of deceivers.

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Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by TenQ: 11:15am On Feb 09
AntiChristian:


We can see from the above "and from that day on the spirit of Yahweh came powerfully on David (Just like Samson in Judges 14)".

But in 2 Samuel

David saw Bathsheba taking her bath and was attracted!
He sent his husband Uriah to death in battle to have her!

So where was the holy Spirit in David?
What was the holy Spirit doing in David?

FxMasterz
TenQ
Sirtee15

It seems only the New Testament Holy Spirit is perfect!
That in OT no get joy at all!
My questions are still waiting for you because I told you that the Holy Spirit does not force anyone against his will.


Shame



Did you read that the Holy Spirit does not force you to do anything. He guides not force!
Even in the new testament, the Holy Spirit guides you amongst other things He does but it's your responsibility to follow His guide.

Sorry!
When you mispresent a Christian doctrine, I show you through through questions the frailty of your position and Islamic understanding .
Usually, you have no answers except you are prepared to conjure lies.

AGAIN :

Now that I have answered your questions, perhaps you will answer these questions according to Islam with respect to the SPIRIT
1. What is Spirit?
Note:
A spirit is a living being!
Eg.
i. Jibril is your Holy Spirit (He's an Angel)
ii. Jesus is a Spirit from Allah
iii. Allah breath his spirit into Adam (Sunan Abi Dawud 4708)
2. Your prophet says that Adam was created in Allah's image, what does he mean? Especially comparing the physical face of a man with that of God and that Adam in His image with His length of sixty cubits (Sahih Muslim 2841)
Mishkat al-Masabih 3525
He reported God’s Messenger as saying, “When any of you fights he must avoid the face, for God created Adam in His own image.”

3. According to your prophet, he would be the first to be resurected from the grave (Sunan Ibn Majah 4308) and the prophets of old are are still in their graves (Sunan an-Nasa'i 1633). If this is true
a. Did Mohammed actually see the prophets such as Moses, Adam, Joseph, Aaron or it wasn't true that he actually saw them.
b. If he saw them in reality but their bodies are still in their graves here on earth, are they not DUALITY (As they are both in heaven and earth(grave) at the same time?

4a. Is it true that Allah is above the seven heavens on his throne?
b. Is it true that Allah descend and comes down every third part of the night to hear those who will invoke him?
Therefore, Can Allah enter his creation?
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by FxMasterz: 11:38am On Feb 09
TenQ:

My questions are still waiting for you because I told you that the Holy Spirit does not force anyone against his will.


Shame



Did you read that the Holy Spirit does not force you to do anything. He guides not force!
Even in the new testament, the Holy Spirit guides you amongst other things He does but it's your responsibility to follow His guide.

Sorry!
When you mispresent a Christian doctrine, I show you through through questions the frailty of your position and Islamic understanding .
Usually, you have no answers except you are prepared to conjure lies.

AGAIN :

Now that I have answered your questions, perhaps you will answer these questions according to Islam with respect to the SPIRIT
1. What is Spirit?
Note:
A spirit is a living being!
Eg.
i. Jibril is your Holy Spirit (He's an Angel)
ii. Jesus is a Spirit from Allah
iii. Allah breath his spirit into Adam (Sunan Abi Dawud 4708)
2. Your prophet says that Adam was created in Allah's image, what does he mean? Especially comparing the physical face of a man with that of God and that Adam in His image with His length of sixty cubits (Sahih Muslim 2841)
Mishkat al-Masabih 3525
He reported God’s Messenger as saying, “When any of you fights he must avoid the face, for God created Adam in His own image.”

3. According to your prophet, he would be the first to be resurected from the grave (Sunan Ibn Majah 4308) and the prophets of old are are still in their graves (Sunan an-Nasa'i 1633). If this is true
a. Did Mohammed actually see the prophets such as Moses, Adam, Joseph, Aaron or it wasn't true that he actually saw them.
b. If he saw them in reality but their bodies are still in their graves here on earth, are they not DUALITY (As they are both in heaven and earth(grave) at the same time?

4a. Is it true that Allah is above the seven heavens on his throne?
b. Is it true that Allah descend and comes down every third part of the night to hear those who will invoke him?
Therefore, Can Allah enter his creation?

He will never answer the questions.

He'll rather create another meaningless topic.
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by TenQ: 11:50am On Feb 09
FxMasterz:


He will never answer the questions.

He'll rather create another meaningless topic.
A person who doesn't even understand what a spirit is in his religion of Islam, feigning smartness by howling meaningless rhetorics about what he is totally ignorant about!

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Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by FxMasterz: 11:51am On Feb 09
AntiChristian:


We can see from the above "and from that day on the spirit of Yahweh came powerfully on David (Just like Samson in Judges 14)".

But in 2 Samuel

David saw Bathsheba taking her bath and was attracted!
He sent his husband Uriah to death in battle to have her!

So where was the holy Spirit in David?
What was the holy Spirit doing in David?

FxMasterz
TenQ
Sirtee15

It seems only the New Testament Holy Spirit is perfect!
That in OT no get joy at all!

How many times should we tell you that the Holy Spirit is a Guide? He doesn't force anybody. His work is to enable you do God's will if you decide to do God's will. If you decide to do your own will, He'll warn you and let you have your way. But if you make a decision to do the will of God, then, He'll give you the power to do the will of God.


Many people love to do their own wills. But there are a few regenerated souls who love to do God's will. However, it's one thing to be willing, it's another thing to be able. The Holy Spirit adds ability to your willingness.

A person having the Holy Spirit can receive power to overcome the temptation to sin if he actually does not want to sin. Yeah, the Holy Spirit will strengthen our weaknesses.

But if you decide to sin, the Holy Spirit would warn you and leave you to do whatever you please. That's why the Bible says:

"As many as are led (guided) by the Spirit of God, they're the sons of God." Romans 8:14.

"Be doers of the word, and not hearers only. Otherwise, you are deceiving yourselves." James 1:22.

He guides into all Truth He doesn't force into all Truth. When you choose to be a doer of the word, He'll empower you to do the word. If you choose to be just a hearer and not a doer, He'll warn you and watch you as you reject His warning.
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by AntiChristian: 12:22pm On Feb 09
FxMasterz:


How many times should we tell you that the Holy Spirit is a Guide, He doesn't force anybody. His work is to enable you do God's will if you decide to do God's will. If you decide to do your own will, He'll warn you and let you have your way. But if you make a decision to do the will of God, then, He'll give you the power to do the will of God.
So the Holy Spirit is our conscience? grin Our conscience has no power to control us but let us know the good from the bad! Samson had the Spirit which empowered him to kill. The spirit gave him power! It didn't guide! The Spirit left David on his own to fall into committing murder and fornication!


Many people love to do their own wills. But there are a few regenerated souls who love to do God's will. However, it's one thing to be willing, it's another thing to be able. The Holy Spirit adds ability to your willingness.

A person having the Holy Spirit can receive power to overcome the temptation to sin if he actually does not want to sin. Yeah, the Holy Spirit will strengthen our weaknesses.

But if you decide to sin, the Holy Spirit would warn you and leave you to do whatever you please. That's why the Bible says:

"As many as are led (guided) by the Spirit of God, they're the sons of God." Romans 8:14.

"Be doers of the word, and not hearers only. Otherwise, you are deceiving yourselves." James 1:22.

He guides into all Truth He doesn't force into all Truth. When you choose to be a doer of the word, He'll empower you to do the word. If you choose to be just a hearer and not a doer, He'll warn you and watch you as you reject His warning.

You are singing the same song all the time. Samson was led to kill by the spirit. David was never directed appropriately by the same Spirit.

Where did the Spirit actually guided Samson and David?

The Spirit led David to kill Goliath, is that still not killing?

Only the spirit in the NT is perfect! Everything in OT including God and spirit is not perfect!
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by AntiChristian: 12:34pm On Feb 09
TenQ:

My questions are still waiting for you because I told you that the Holy Spirit does not force anyone against his will.

Shame

Did you read that the Holy Spirit does not force you to do anything. He guides not force!
Even in the new testament, the Holy Spirit guides you amongst other things He does but it's your responsibility to follow His guide.

Sorry!
When you mispresent a Christian doctrine, I show you through through questions the frailty of your position and Islamic understanding .
Usually, you have no answers except you are prepared to conjure lies.

May you not tell lies till you die!
How did Holy Spirit guide David and Samson?
Show us verses?
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by AntiChristian: 12:37pm On Feb 09
otipoju:


Use your head. What exactly is your question?

OK, Let me use my head!

Holy Spirit descended on Samson and he killed Lion and thirty people?

Does the Holy spirit empower people to kill?

Holy spirit entered David powerfully yet he still committed murder and fornication!
David had many wives too!

Of what use is the holy spirit in David?
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by AntiChristian: 12:39pm On Feb 09
Mvnster:

So because he has the Holy Spirit, he cant be tempted or make any mistakes?

You should tell me that!

Samson too used the Holy Spirit to kill Lion and 30 people even stealing their clothes!
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by FxMasterz: 1:07pm On Feb 09
AntiChristian:
So the Holy Spirit is our conscience? grin Our conscience has no power to control us but let us know the good from the bad! Samson had the Spirit which empowered him to kill. The spirit gave him power! It didn't guide! The Spirit left David on his own to fall into committing murder and fornication!


You are singing the same song all the time. Samson was led to kill by the spirit. David was never directed appropriately by the same Spirit.

Where did the Spirit actually guided Samson and David?

The Spirit led David to kill Goliath, is that still not killing?

Only the spirit in the NT is perfect! Everything in OT including God and spirit is not perfect!

The Holy Spirit is not our conscience. He's our Guide. He guides and instructs us, and also empowers us to walk in obedience. He teaches us what is right and gives us power to do what is right. The Holy Spirit would guide you to do the will of God. The will of God is not just righteousness alone. It could even be your choice of profession. He could guide you into the profession that God wants for you. He can guide you to choose the spouse who is God's will for you. He can guide you to know whether you should travel abroad or remain in Nigeria. He guides and empowers us to do the will of God.

Our conscience on the other hand is our moral police. It makes us feel guilty of some general sins when we commit them. However some people's conscience are dead. They do not even feel guilty when they commit murder. The Holy Spirit can resurrect dead consciences and empower the most despicable sinner to turn a new leaf and live a life of righteousness. However, the sinner must yield to His guidance. He'll then empower the yielding sinner to do the righteousness he could not do naturally.

He trains us into righteousness by patiently guiding us, instructing us and empowering us. Even when we fail, He convicts us and brings us back to the path, and keeps guiding us until we are transformed and become what God wants us to be.
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by AntiChristian: 3:40pm On Feb 09
FxMasterz:


The Holy Spirit is not our conscience. He's our Guide. He guides and instructs us, and also empowers us to walk in obedience. He teaches us what is right and gives us power to do what is right. The Holy Spirit would guide you to do the will of God. The will of God is not just righteousness alone. It could even be your choice of profession. He could guide you into the profession that God wants for you. He can guide you to choose the spouse who is God's will for you. He can guide you to know whether you should travel abroad or remain in Nigeria. He guides and empowers us to do the will of God.

Our conscience on the other hand is our moral police. It makes us feel guilty of some general sins when we commit them. However some people's conscience are dead. They do not even feel guilty when they commit murder. The Holy Spirit can resurrect dead consciences and empower the most despicable sinner to turn a new leaf and live a life of righteousness. However, the sinner must yield to His guidance. He'll then empower the yielding sinner to do the righteousness he could not do naturally.

He trains us into righteousness by patiently guiding us, instructing us and empowering us. Even when we fail, He convicts us and brings us back to the path, and keeps guiding us until we are transformed and become what God wants us to be.

I see all these as lies! Just as when Samson wanted to kill lion Holy Spirit entered him. Just as when Samson needed to kill thirty people to steal their garments the holy Spirit empowered him.

Even the Holy Spirit in David did not caution/guide him to avoid killing and fornication!
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by otipoju(m): 3:59pm On Feb 09
AntiChristian:


OK, Let me use my head!

Holy Spirit descended on Samson and he killed Lion and thirty people?

Does the Holy spirit empower people to kill?

Holy spirit entered David powerfully yet he still committed murder and fornication!
David had many wives too!

Of what use is the holy spirit in David?

Years back I would have wasted my time and started explaining to you. As I have grown older, I realise I have nothing to prove to a person who has made up his mind already for whatever reason.

So I'll leave you to you. Any discussion with you no go yield anything meaningful for me. So i wish you the best in your search for meaning.

No be fight I come fight for this life.

That search must begin with an open mind unless you will become cynical and bitter after many years.

Shalom.

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Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by FxMasterz: 4:07pm On Feb 09
AntiChristian:


I see all these as lies! Just as when Samson wanted to kill lion Holy Spirit entered him. Just as when Samson needed to kill thirty people to steal their garments the holy Spirit empowered him.

Even the Holy Spirit in David did not caution/guide him to avoid killing and fornication!

It's your cup of tea.

If that's what you see, then spiritual blindness has happened to you.

What Samson had was a gift of might. That doesn't mean the Holy Spirit comes upon him each time he wanted to act. That's absurd.

I have a teaching gift. That doesn't mean the Holy Spirit would come upon me each time I want to teach. That's absurd.

Once the Holy Spirit gives you a special enablement, you'll flow naturally with ease in that capacity. While others may struggle to achieve the same feat, a gifted individual would do it with such ease, and it would be completely natural.

Once you are faced with what you're gifted for by the Holy Spirit, the gift would be stirred up in you to deliver. You'll flow naturally but deliver supernatural results.

Natural giftedness is different from Spiritual giftedness. You can't compete with someone who is supernaturally enabled.

The Holy Spirit guides and cautions us. However, people can ignore Him and disobey. The disobedient would face the consequence. The Holy Spirit doesn't turn men to zombies. Is that clear? There are no zombies in God's Kingdom. We have the liberty to choose our actions. We can accept or reject guidance but there'll be results and consequences afterwards.

If you choose blindness, you'll have it enough. You can keep interpreting the scriptures blindly in spite of the corrections you've received. It's your own cup of tea.

You can keep saying everything I said are lies. Tagging them as lies does not change the reality and the truth of the explanations. The life we live as Christians who are filled with the Holy Spirit is what I've described in my previous post. If Islam doesn't come close to that, it's spiritual blindness and crass ignorance for you to tag them as lies. If you're wise, you would have embarked on an investigation and exploration to verify these things. Rather than wallow in your ignorance and deep rooted deceit delivered to you in Islam.

If you become open minded and prayerfully investigate these things using the right channels, you'll be stunned at what you'll discover. You'll end up meeting Jesus, and your life wouldn't remain the same afterwards. Forget Christianity as a religion. That's not what we're talking about here. Most Muslims only see religious Christians and use that to judge what Christianity is all about. Christianity is not religion. Even most Christians are just deceiving themselves. A definite encounter with Jesus is all you need.

There are many former Muslims here on this platform. One of them goes by the moniker Speaklove. He can relate. I just pity you for your ignorance and the stubborn opposition you put up against the Almighty God to the detriment of your own soul.

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Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by Dtruthspeaker: 4:37pm On Feb 09
AntiChristian:


So where was the holy Spirit in David?
What was the holy Spirit doing in David?

FxMasterz
TenQ
Sirtee15

It seems only the New Testament Holy Spirit is perfect!
That in OT no get joy at all!

If you were not a mad Muslim you would have known that The Holy Spirit leaves before you sin as it did Samson and king Saul.
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by Expanse2020(m): 5:39pm On Feb 09
TenQ:

My questions are still waiting for you because I told you that the Holy Spirit does not force anyone against his will.


Shame



Did you read that the Holy Spirit does not force you to do anything. He guides not force!
Even in the new testament, the Holy Spirit guides you amongst other things He does but it's your responsibility to follow His guide.

Sorry!
When you mispresent a Christian doctrine, I show you through through questions the frailty of your position and Islamic understanding .
Usually, you have no answers except you are prepared to conjure lies.

AGAIN :

Now that I have answered your questions, perhaps you will answer these questions according to Islam with respect to the SPIRIT
1. What is Spirit?
Note:
A spirit is a living being!
Eg.
i. Jibril is your Holy Spirit (He's an Angel)
ii. Jesus is a Spirit from Allah
iii. Allah breath his spirit into Adam (Sunan Abi Dawud 4708)
2. Your prophet says that Adam was created in Allah's image, what does he mean? Especially comparing the physical face of a man with that of God and that Adam in His image with His length of sixty cubits (Sahih Muslim 2841)
Mishkat al-Masabih 3525
He reported God’s Messenger as saying, “When any of you fights he must avoid the face, for God created Adam in His own image.”

3. According to your prophet, he would be the first to be resurected from the grave (Sunan Ibn Majah 4308) and the prophets of old are are still in their graves (Sunan an-Nasa'i 1633). If this is true
a. Did Mohammed actually see the prophets such as Moses, Adam, Joseph, Aaron or it wasn't true that he actually saw them.
b. If he saw them in reality but their bodies are still in their graves here on earth, are they not DUALITY (As they are both in heaven and earth(grave) at the same time?

4a. Is it true that Allah is above the seven heavens on his throne?
b. Is it true that Allah descend and comes down every third part of the night to hear those who will invoke him?
Therefore, Can Allah enter his creation?
David actually do that in the bible
Na so lot sleep with her two daughters, these are filthy things for someone to put on head OOO chaiii
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by AntiChristian: 5:40pm On Feb 09
Dtruthspeaker:


If you were not a mad Muslim you would have known that The Holy Spirit leaves before you sin as it did Samson and king Saul.

So the Holy Spirit left David when he was relishing the body curves of Bathsheba and trying to kill her hubby?

Same holy spirit that empowered Samson to kill lion, 30 people and steal their garments!

Continue to lie brazenly!
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by AntiChristian: 5:43pm On Feb 09
FxMasterz:


It's your cup of tea.

If that's what you see, then spiritual blindness has happened to you.

What Samson had was a gift of might. That doesn't mean the Holy Spirit comes upon him each time he wanted to act. That's absurd.

I have a teaching gift. That doesn't mean the Holy Spirit would come upon me each time I want to teach. That's absurd.

Once the Holy Spirit gives you a special enablement, you'll flow naturally with ease in that capacity. While others may struggle to achieve the same feat, a gifted individual would do it with such ease, and it would be completely natural.

Once you are faced with what you're gifted for by the Holy Spirit, the gift would be stirred up in you to deliver. You'll flow naturally but deliver supernatural results.

Natural giftedness is different from Spiritual giftedness. You can't compete with someone who is supernaturally enabled.

The Holy Spirit guides and cautions us. However, people can ignore Him and disobey. The disobedient would face the consequence. The Holy Spirit doesn't turn men to zombies. Is that clear? There are no zombies in God's Kingdom. We have the liberty to choose our actions. We can accept or reject guidance but there'll be results and consequences afterwards.

If you choose blindness, you'll have it enough. You can keep interpreting the scriptures blindly in spite of the corrections you've received. It's your own cup of tea.

You can keep saying everything I said are lies. Tagging them as lies does not change the reality and the truth of the explanations. The life we live as Christians who are filled with the Holy Spirit is what I've described in my previous post. If Islam doesn't come close to that, it's spiritual blindness and crass ignorance for you to tag them as lies. If you're wise, you would have embarked on an investigation and exploration to verify these things. Rather than wallow in your ignorance and deep rooted deceit delivered to you in Islam.

If you become open minded and prayerfully investigate these things using the right channels, you'll be stunned at what you'll discover. You'll end up meeting Jesus, and your life wouldn't remain the same afterwards. Forget Christianity as a religion. That's not what we're talking about here. Most Muslims only see religious Christians and use that to judge what Christianity is all about. Christianity is not religion. Even most Christians are just deceiving themselves. A definite encounter with Jesus is all you need.

There are many former Muslims here on this platform. One of them goes by the moniker Speaklove. He can relate. I just pity you for your ignorance and the stubborn opposition you put up against the Almighty God to the detriment of your own soul.

Stop trying to deceive me with lies. In the Bible, the Holy spirit descended on Samson when he wanted to kill the Lion! It descended on him again when he wanted to steal clothes and garment from 30 people that did him no harm!
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by AntiChristian: 5:43pm On Feb 09
otipoju:


Years back I would have wasted my time and started explaining to you. As I have grown older, I realise I have nothing to prove to a person who has made up his mind already for whatever reason.

So I'll leave you to you. Any discussion with you no go yield anything meaningful for me. So i wish you the best in your search for meaning.

No be fight I come fight for this life.

That search must begin with an open mind unless you will become cynical and bitter after many years.

Shalom.

Alright!
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by Ken4Christ: 6:25pm On Feb 09
AntiChristian:


We can see from the above "and from that day on the spirit of Yahweh came powerfully on David (Just like Samson in Judges 14)".

But in 2 Samuel

David saw Bathsheba taking her bath and was attracted!
He sent his husband Uriah to death in battle to have her!

So where was the holy Spirit in David?
What was the holy Spirit doing in David?

FxMasterz
TenQ
Sirtee15

It seems only the New Testament Holy Spirit is perfect!
That in OT no get joy at all!

Man is a free moral agents and he is subject to temptations. And God has made provisions for our shortcomings.

As far as we are living in this sinful flesh, we will still make errors from time to time.

So, you didn't say anything.
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by NairaLTQ: 6:32pm On Feb 09
Expanse2020:

David actually do that in the bible
Na so lot sleep with her two daughters, these are filthy things for someone to put on head OOO chaiii
David was punished by God for his sin of Adultery and Murder unlike Allah that made Zina lawful for Mohammed.

Lot is your prophet isn't it?
He's neither a prophet to the Jews nor to the Christians
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by NairaLTQ: 6:34pm On Feb 09
AntiChristian:


[b]Stop trying to deceive me with lies. In the Bible, the Holy spirit descended on Samson when he wanted to kill the Lion! It descended on him again when he wanted to steal clothes and garment from 30 people that did him no harm![/b]wee

You don't know that Sounding like a broken record makes you look like a donkey!

Why couldn't you answer my questions?
You are afraid thy it betrays your ignorance and deciet!
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by Kobojunkie: 8:15pm On Feb 09
AntiChristian:
We can see from the above "and from that day on the spirit of Yahweh came powerfully on David (Just like Samson in Judges 14)".
But in 2 Samuel David saw Bathsheba taking her bath and was attracted! He sent his husband Uriah to death in battle to have her!
■ So where was the holy Spirit in David? What was the holy Spirit doing in David?
■ It seems only the New Testament Holy Spirit is perfect!
That in OT no get joy at all!
1. Yes, David was approved righteous by the God of Israel before he, David, was anointed King over Israel, so yes, the spirit of the Lord was on David. undecided

2. The Spirit of God living on the inside of one does not restrain one from being able to carry out his or her intentions. David chose to sin. What did you expect the Spirit of God to do? Restrain David? For what reason? undecided

3. Seems more to me instead that you do not understand the place of the Holy Spirit in the lives of those who are approved to have Him by God. The Holy Spirit is a mark of approval from God for those who have at least met the requirement that is His Standard — His Law—, and are hence worthy of being used by Him, God in the carrying out of His Holy works. Perfection is not of the Spirit of God but of those who are under the Law. The Spirit of God serves as a mark to show one has reached that standard of perfection set by God. He does not serve as a deterrence or a means to inhibit man from living as he would choose to. undecided

Having that mark which is the Holy Spirit, and the benefits that come with being certified perfect by God, however, does not guarantee that one is completely in God's good book forever as there is still the requirement that one stands faithful until the end — Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 31 & Ezekiel 33 vs 10 - 20 & Matthew 24 vs 12- 13 & Mark 13 vs 13 — to be saved. undecided

Old Testament Scripture is littered with examples of men who were approved righteous by God but fell short before the end. From Adam, and Cain, to probably even the person of King Solomon. David was not the first, and not the last of them. undecided
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by Kobojunkie: 8:22pm On Feb 09
AntiChristian:
■ So the Holy Spirit is our conscience? grin Our conscience has no power to control us but let us know the good from the bad! Samson had the Spirit which empowered him to kill. The spirit gave him power! It didn't guide!
■The Spirit left David on his own to fall into committing murder and fornication! You are singing the same song all the time. Samson was led to kill by the spirit. David was never directed appropriately by the same Spirit. Where did the Spirit actually guided Samson and David?
The Spirit led David to kill Goliath, is that still not killing?
■Only the spirit in the NT is perfect! Everything in OT including God and spirit is not perfect!
1. The Holy Spirit is not a conscience, but He is a counselor, a guide/Shepherd, a teacher, etc. undecided

2. David killed an enemy of Israel. If you read through the Law of Moses, you will find that the Law permits the people of Israel to kill those considered enemies of Israel, and in self-defense, but the same Law does not allow individuals to commit murder. undecided

3. The Holy Spirit of both the Old and of the New Covenants are both marks of perfection. The Holy Spirit of each of the Laws is bestowed by God on those who are certified to comply with His Law— Holy aka perfect. undecided
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by AntiChristian: 6:10am On Feb 11
Ken4Christ:


Man is a free moral agents and he is subject to temptations. And God has made provisions for our shortcomings.

As far as we are living in this sinful flesh, we will still make errors from time to time.

So, you didn't say anything.

I did but you seldom comprehend! An holy spirit containing entity should be different from an empty container!

David wasn't any different with the holy spirit! He committed major crimes despite the spirit!
Re: David Had The Spirit But Still Committed Murder And Fornication by AntiChristian: 6:16am On Feb 11
Kobojunkie:
1. The Holy Spirit is not a conscience, but He is a counselor, a guide/Shepherd, a teacher, etc. undecided

2. David killed an enemy of Israel. If you read through the Law of Moses, you will find that the Law permits the people of Israel to kill those considered enemies of Israel, and in self-defense, but the same Law does not allow individuals to commit murder. undecided

3. The Holy Spirit of both the Old and of the New Covenants are both marks of perfection. The Holy Spirit of each of the Laws is bestowed by God on those who are certified to comply with His Law— Holy aka perfect. undecided

Kobojunkie, you didn't read my previous thread about Samson in Judges 14? Read it before this.

Holy spirit descended on Samson before he killed lion. Holy spirit did same before he fulfilled his bet to get thirty garments by killing 30 people!

Holy spirit empowered Samson to kill!

Same holy spirit couldn't guide or counsel Samson against the philistine wife till he committed suicide with people!

Now the holy spirit was not useful in David!

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