Dudu_Negro: actually, its not everywhere that the name ibo is mentioned in slave narrative that the subject is truthfully of ibo origin. i think ibo, being a three letter word and easy on the tongue was circulated more often and used as a generic term for slaves whose African descent could not be recalled or maybe not even known. These narratives preceeded the times of Alex Haley's research into his own roots and which resulted in his book ROOTS and on which the movie was also based. After the movie, names such as Nago, Wolof, Mandingo gained popularity and no one used Ibo anymore to describe the slaves because of the new knowledge.

I have studied slave narratives extensively and I can analyze and dissect them for you. You can tell from a narrative what general area of Africa the narrator or subject is from. When a slave says he built a hut with clay plaster on the wall and flat roof adorned with palmetto fronds, I know right away that this person was from the sahel and not a person of the rain forest. When a slave is said to live in wild swamp far from salt water and did not know how to fish and did not plant crops but gathered fruits and he talked about monkeys and parrots, I know this person lived in marshy forest. When a slave named Bilal Mahomet is referred as Ibo, I know there is an error. He is either an Ibo and not a Bilal or he is a Bilal and not an Ibo. In case you don't know what Bilal is, it is a name and a title for the muezzin....the one who calls the muslim prayers. Were there muslim Igbos in the 1800s?

bigfrancis21:
Well there was no slave called Bilal Mahomet referred to as Igbo.
@Bolded: How did you know that? Were you there during that time? . Your sources please.
What about the tribe, Ga? Isn't the word, 'Ga' a two-letter word and very easy to pronounce for that matter? Following your logic, why didn't it become popular like Ibo? They were also sold into slavery. What about the Fon people? And Ewe? Fallacy!
What right have you due to your own personal belief to refute what is well-recorded in history? Even without the name 'ibo', the ibo people were still well known by their physical and personal characteristics and spirit. They were easily identified by these characteristics while in the midst of others, even when the identifier didn't know beforehand the Igbo origin of the slave.

Dudu_Negro:

how much have you studied about slave narratives? id hate to be here arguing on sentiments, i foresee that once i prove it you will descend into name calling instead of accepting the truth.

shouldn't ibo culture and customs have been prevalent and dominated in these places if ibo slaves were truly dominant?

bigfrancis21:
@first bolded: . I don't ever engage in name-callings. Checking my posts will prove that to you.

@second bolded: Don't tell me you didn't read my previous post on the ubiquity of the Igbo culture all over the caribbean?

I'm so sure you think the Yoruba culture is more dominant out of every other slave groups. Now, apart from the Yoruba religion tell me other aspects of your culture that is prevalent in the caribbean?

Dudu_Negro:


You are diverting the theme. Please read the thread and understand the issue.

1. Ibo is claiming that the mass suicide in Ibo's Landing is an act of "bravery". Is it?
2. By extension, that the mutiny in Haiti was spearheaded by Ibo bravery. Was it?


on matter of culture, there is no field to even begin to compare Yoruba with anyone else. Even the Dahomeans, who were the mutineers in Haiti dared not come up and compare their culture with Yoruba on a global scale, neither can Ashanti, neither can Bambara....talk less a far distant and miniscule Ibo cultural footprint.

Dudu_Negro:


on matter of culture, there is no field to even begin to compare Yoruba with anyone else. Even the Dahomeans, who were the mutineers in Haiti dared not come up and compare their culture with Yoruba on a global scale, neither can Ashanti, neither can Bambara....talk less a far distant and miniscule Ibo cultural footprint.

bigfrancis21:

Every culture is unique and no culture is better than the other. This is what you're taught in Philosophy and History (general studies) classes in the University. The Igbo culture is unique and rich, so is the Yoruba culture.
However, note that unlike the Hausa man who is binded by religion, or the Yoruba man who is binded by a conservative tradition, the Igbo man is religiously and traditionally free to exploit change and make the best out of what comes his way. It is a well known fact that embracing change is the catalyst for progress and dwelling in conservatism leaves you stuck in the past and non-progressive. Look at the great nations of today and see how they were able to inculcate change and adapt quickly. America, a place funnily described as having no tradition, is the world's greatest power today simply because she threw her arms wide open to change and adopted foreign values and ideology into theirs. Meanwhile, Britain stuck to conservatism and lost her world power and has remained behind ever since, watching the little colony she once ruled rise to power and overtake her in the helms of world affairs. I forsee the same great pattern of rise for the Igbo nation in a few years to come.

bigfrancis21:

Every culture is unique and no culture is better than the other. This is what you're taught in Philosophy and History (general studies) classes in the University. The Igbo culture is unique and rich, so is the Yoruba culture.
However, note that unlike the Hausa man who is binded by religion, or the Yoruba man who is binded by a conservative tradition, the Igbo man is religiously and traditionally free to exploit change and make the best out of what comes his way. It is a well known fact that embracing change is the catalyst for progress and dwelling in conservatism leaves you stuck in the past and non-progressive. Look at the great nations of today and see how they were able to inculcate change and adapt quickly. America, a place funnily described as having no tradition, is the world's greatest power today simply because she threw her arms wide open to change and adopted foreign values and ideology into theirs. Meanwhile, Britain stuck to conservatism and lost her world power and has remained behind ever since, watching the little colony she once ruled rise to power and overtake her in the helms of world affairs. I forsee the same great pattern of rise for the Igbo nation in a few years to come.

c.fours:


what do you mean Yoruba people are binded by conservative tradition. abeg go and park jor. Yorubas are a very balanced tribe. we keep a good balance of progressiveism but at the same time, we keep our traditions. best of both.
and your comparison between UK and US makes no sense.
First, US became world power only by taking advantage of the fact that WWI&II virtually destroyed most parts of Europe
Second, US is a country of immigrants hence the reason people describe it as having "no tradition" because duh the culture and traditions is always influx and changing based on immigration patterns. America did not throw her arms wide open to "accept" or "adopt" foreign values. Actually, the opposite is the case.

America throws its hands wide open to accept foreign people (as sources of labor and talent whether through immigration or slavery etc.) yea but it definitely doesn't accept their values or ideals. infact, it often disrespects them.
it wants the people. not their opinion or cultures LOL
and bonus points if the foreigners can adopt American culture and values (aka assimilation) instead.
so far asians are the best (non white races) at this. that' why asians are called "model minority" in USA. they don't try too hard to influence american culture or speak out to assert themselves in the country. they assimilate really fast. yet they contribute immensely through labor and academic talent to it economy.

I think we yorubas have similar mentality. we will welcome you to our lands. but really we only want your labor/talent. we prefer you return to your land when you are no longer needed. otherwise learn to assimilate and adopt yoruba culture. with the hopes that by the third generation, traces of your tribe will be erased. your grandkids will not even remember that they had one igbo ancestor.
how think yoruba cultures were preserved so strongly for over 200 yrs in cuba, brazil, haiti etc? we recruit and assimilate blacks from other parts of africa too to help build our culture and nation stronger!

so yea keep dreaming.

Dudu_Negro: I have given you four revolts, each dubbed the greatest or the most effective or the largest. None of them has anything Ibo in it. We have Dahomey in St. Domingo/Haiti, we have Yoruba in Baha/Brazil, we have remnant of St Domingo in USA and we have Ghana in Jamica.

According to you, these were the domain of Ibo slaves....this is where we should expect to see Ibo bravery. Beside walking into a river in suicide, what other landmark do you have? If I hear you say Ibo is brave one more time you will be in trouble.

I have not used emoticon so far...I have earned the right to use it here..

Crayola1:

That's funny, my source from York University did lmao. Try again shifty bastard
Or because Voodoo is mentioned that means cased closed? Last time I checked Voodoo is a mix of W. African and Central African faiths. Not Yoruba alone.

Dudu_Negro: I have given you four revolts, each dubbed the greatest or the most effective or the largest. None of them has anything Ibo in it. We have Dahomey in St. Domingo/Haiti, we have Yoruba in Baha/Brazil, we have remnant of St Domingo in USA and we have Ghana in Jamica.p
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According to you, these were the domain of Ibo slaves....this is where we should expect to see Ibo bravery. Beside walking into a river in suicide, what other landmark do you have? If I hear you say Ibo is brave one more time you will be in trouble.

I have not used emoticon so far..I have earned the right to use it here..

redsun: qo
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Africans like you arr sick. You tend to derive joy in the horrors of slavery and even priding yourselves to be affiliated to those who bore the real brunts of the horrors as if it is price trophy.

Same reason why oyinbo is getting away with the atrocities of slavery today and refusing to apologise and compensate the black race because animals like failed to see that what happened to Africans in the hands of oyinbos was worse than what the nazis did to the Jews that the present Germans are still apologising and paying for today.

It is not am issue to tribalize,not to belittle,not an issue to mock,but an issue every right thinking African should take to heart at all times and always ask the question of why did it happen and what are the measures to heal the wounds and stop it from happening again. Because from all indications African are still

Dudu_Negro:

oh, you just realized that?

Dudu_Negro:

mothrfvkr,

yeah, voodoo is used all over W. Africa but Hounsu, Male, and Kumasi are specific and they are not Ibo.

Crayola1:

Go and Fvck your mother shiftless bastard. Voodoo does not give ethnic origin. I gave a scholarly source that listed the prominent groups that fought during Haiti's revolution. Or are you going to ignore that too because your people are left out. You provided the religion and everyone else provided the muscle at least you get credit for something

You claim that Igbo people are always trying to brag, yet every source I bring is not from Igbo people and yet you still deny. Stay mad loser.

There are all types of bravery, standing in the face of oppression is one and not giving your captor the satisfaction of watching you suffer by committing suicide and taking your own fate into your two hands is another.

Dudu_Negro:

domdom, they had plenty opportunities before the boat sailed to jump overboard, they had opportunities when the ship was asail to jump overboard.....in fact, they had opportunity in Africa and back in their village to commit suicide than be subjected to the humiliation of the slave catcher.

get a life, dummy! I want you to bring me reasons why Ibos were dominant (as you have claimed) in jamaica, US, carribean, haiti....and yet, you failed to put down a landmark. The only landmark you can come up with is suicide. Do you know how many other people jumped into sea, drowned themselves to escape slavery. You idiots talk as if Ibo slave was the only one that commited suicide..... brave my as*s!

Crayola1: Its only insecure bastards that will come out and say committing suicide in the face of what was a brutal and dehumanizing life that awaited is cowardly. The people who suffered through it were brave and the people who rather die free than die at the hands of the slave masters are brave.

Since suicide is such an easy thing to do why don't you try and see if you can do it yourself. Or is it mouth that you will use to off yourself.

Its only cowardly because they didn't mention your own people.

Dudu_Negro:

here we go, the ibo code word. of course your discussion will not be complete without the brave/coward symmetry. ibo is the only brave people in the world.....even when an ibo kill himself, it's an act of bravery.

i will let you have the last word on that.... here is a tease, who is a coward between me and you?

Dudu_Negro:

domdom, they had plenty opportunities before the boat sailed to jump overboard, they had opportunities when the ship was asail to jump overboard.....in fact, they had opportunity in Africa and back in their village to commit suicide than be subjected to the humiliation of the slave catcher. O

get a life, dummy! I want you to bring me reasons why Ibos were dominant (as you have claimed) in jamaica, US, carribean, haiti....and yet, you failed to put down a landmark. The only landmark you can come up with is suicide. Do you know how many other people jumped into sea, drowned themselves to escape slavery. You idiots talk as if Ibo slave was the only one that commited suicide..... brave my as*s!

Crayola1:

Your mother is the biggest coward for not swallowing the abortion meds before the 1st trimester of your conception. Next question punkass loser.

redsun:

Opportunity where? In shackles? You don't know what u are talking. From the moment the slaves were caught,they were caged and dehumanized. The slightest freedom they get is when loose to work like donkies in the plantations.

Dudu_Negro:

by that statement you have also insulted your mother.

Crayola1:

He's being phony. As though slaves didn't try to escape and were not shot to death for it. Or the fact that slaves perished before they even got to the Americas because they were forced to march to the sea in shackles and starved and beaten into walking faster.

He's just bitter. I would think the fact that Orisha's are in Brazil and Cuba should placate him but if his people don't have top billing in everything its not good enough.

Crayola1:

He's being phony. As though slaves didn't try to escape and were not shot to death for it. Or the fact that slaves perished before they even got to the Americas because they were forced to march to the sea in shackles and starved and beaten into walking faster.

He's just bitter. I would think the fact that Orisha's are in Brazil and Cuba should placate him but if his people don't have top billing in everything its not good enough.