Crayola1:

Most who? According to you?

The Africans who came from Africa into Haiti were mainly from the Bight of Benin. The Republic of Benin was known as part of the Dahomey kingdom. Dahomey was a powerful kingdom in the west part of Africa until it was taken over from 1894-1960 by the French. However, before the French took over completely the French were already buying slaves, trading for slaves and shipping them into the Caribbean to be used as slaves.
https://www.haiti360.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30:african-origins-of-haitians&catid=4:our-blogs&Itemid=6

It is said that the ancestry of most Haitians can be traced back to Dahomey. The animist practice of voodoo, a corruption in name and practice of the Dahomean religion known as "Vodun," came by boat via slaves to the New World and is still widely practiced in its homeland.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Republic_of_Benin

There’s a large group of them next door in the Republic of Benin (formerly Dahomey), where many Haitians can trace their African ancestry.
http://selaviayiti./2011/04/

c.fours:


The Africans who came from Africa into Haiti were mainly from the Bight of Benin. The Republic of Benin was known as part of the Dahomey kingdom. Dahomey was a powerful kingdom in the west part of Africa until it was taken over from 1894-1960 by the French. However, before the French took over completely the French were already buying slaves, trading for slaves and shipping them into the Caribbean to be used as slaves.
https://www.haiti360.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30:african-origins-of-haitians&catid=4:our-blogs&Itemid=6

It is said that the ancestry of most Haitians can be traced back to Dahomey. The animist practice of voodoo, a corruption in name and practice of the Dahomean religion known as "Vodun," came by boat via slaves to the New World and is still widely practiced in its homeland.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Republic_of_Benin

There’s a large group of them next door in the Republic of Benin (formerly Dahomey), where many Haitians can trace their African ancestry.
http://selaviayiti./2011/04/

Thank you sir, but my point was never the fact that there were more Igbo people in Haiti

This was and still is my point:

Jean-François and Biassou in 1791 are described as commanding 'bands composed of Congoes, Mandingues [Mandinka], Ibos [Igbo], Senegalese, etc.', and Haolou in 1794 'bands of Congos, Ibos, Dahomets, Senegalese'; and more explicitly, Lamour Derance's forces in 1802 were 'grouped by tribes ... bands of Congoes, Aradas, Ibos, Nagos, Mandingues, Hausas [emphasis added]'.31

From York University: www.yorku.ca/nhp/seminars/seminars/law.rtf+&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us">http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zOX0otR3rCQJ:www.yorku.ca/nhp/seminars/seminars/law.rtf+&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Igbo people committed several forms of resistance in the New world. Suicide was one, rebellions another, poisoning was one.

A group of slaves with Igbo ancestry poisoned a relative of James Adams (US President)

My point with Papa Doc was to show that yes Igbo people's influence, though ignored by you does not go unnoticed in the Americas

Crayola1:

Really you support a state you have no idea will survive to see tomorrow? Try again sir.
Especially in 69 when things were slowly going against Biafra, you now throw your hat in. Papa Doc was crazy but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one instance.

LOL. apparently the only reason Haiti recognized biafra is because the tyrant papa doc went to school with an ibo man (Azikiwe) who became a biafran dipolomat.touring the world begging for support. rotfl

c.fours:


LOL. apparently the only reason Haiti recognized biafra is because the tyrant papa doc went to school with an ibo man (Azikiwe) who became a biafran dipolomat.touring the world begging for support. rotfl

By that time Azikwe was on the Federal side So try again. Or did he go to school with Ojukwu too

If he went earlier why did Haiti wait until '69 to pledge support You do know the war was from '67-70 right? You keep posting things but by this time Haiti pledges its support its March of '69, two years had passed. The entrance of several players on the Nigerian side was changing the outcome of the war, are you suggesting that Papa Doc thought his words would help Biafra?

Crayola1:

By that time Azikwe was on the Federal side So try again. Or did he go to school with Ojukwu too

you are a very dishonest person. chai
unless you truly were ignorant of the truth.LOL

Crayola1:

According to history and one of the former leaders of Haiti, they attribute the Haiti revolution to people of Igbo ancestry So does that count.

ibo was a derogatory name for a people despised by their more assertive and warring neighbors who captured and sold them into slavery. it was not a name or a group that people in the east wanted to be associated with.

the coming of europeans changed the local power dynamics between the ruler and the ruled. ibos were the ruled. this is why pre-europeans there is nothing in antiquity to give them parity to the great african kingdoms that ruled across many lands and took trouble to their rivals with decisive wins and domination.

the nigerian civil war was the first time igbo people raised arms against an indigenous african nation. the preparation and the outcome says plenty on how igbos view wars.

following their defeat, they acquired new knowledge in the value of nationalism. this new knowledge gave them a drive in the search for an igbo national symbol and tangible elements of greatness on which to stand tall and stand proud.

the yoruba and hausa models of great society was thus copied for domestic application. for its global representation and image the yoruba model was copied exclusively. thus today we hear stories of ibo greatness in exact same places around the globe where the dominance of yoruba culture, military and artistic achievements laid its footprints.

this is why the story of savannah and haiti and many other places around the globe are being re-written to donate dominance to a tribe that never had one. in the haiti story itself a lot of questions are yet to be settled and we should look at them.

first , let's look at igboland and its own finding. igbos claim nri as their progenitor. nri arrived (they claim he migrated from israel and was one of the lost tribes) to a land already under the rulership of aro. aro then subdued nri into subordination in his kingdom. in traditional african history and politics this is an aberration.......beside this occurrence there is not a people of black africa whose migrating progenitor was subdued by the receiving ruler. the arriving people end up changing the rule and the dynamics of the land and usurping rights and privileges to their own advantage. .....their own code and creed become the new law and authority on the land. the migrating nri failed to establish authority and rule.

if this haiti story of ibo dominating the haitianland is true then how is it that haitian culture and custom is yoruba and not ibo? remember, the dominant rules the culture and the customs. so where did this ibo dominance of haitian greatness dissapear to? it must not have been there to begin with. now, let's look at the slave stock of haitian people and why they ended up there to begin with. why were these people in haiti and not in africa? it's a simple answer - imperial wars! among them were warriors captured and sold off. so now we ask, were there ibo warriors sold off into slavery and which imperial power were they defending and who was the opponent power? those who rose up in mutiny and defended haiti against european firepower were the bloodlines of those warriors carted off from the african soil. to complete its story of haiti greatness and ibo led mutiny there are gaps in the ibo african story and relevance that need first to be filled.

the haiti mutiny, the brazilian mutiny and all the other mutinies in which africans are glorified in their enslaved land started long before those slaves departed africa. it is shameful to find pride in such a dehumanizing commerce but the morality of it aside, those that attribute greatness to the legacy of slave revolt must first tell us of their own revolt as free men on african soil.

this post is a call for truthful perspective on the abusive use and pandering of "bravery" as a badge of honor on a tribe whose track record on conflict is very sparse and none of which ever brought a measurable victory.........more like 3 conflicts and 0 win! bravery should be a reserve fort hose who have had 10 or more conflicts and 2 or greater wins.

c.fours:


you are a very dishonest person. chai
unless you truly were ignorant of the truth.LOL

Look at what I posted, By that time Azikwe was now pressuring Ojukwu to draw down and talk to Gowon. What is there to lie about, that's what happened. Its '89 by the end of that year the war is over, when did he switch sides? Jan '70?

Crayola1: If he went earlier why did Haiti wait until '69 to pledge support You do know the war was from '67-70 right? You keep posting things but by this time Haiti pledges its support its March of '69, two years had passed. The entrance of several players on the Nigerian side was changing the outcome of the war, are you suggesting that Papa Doc thought his words would help Biafra?

LOL if Duvalier felt he was a biafran descendant, he would have pledged support right from 67. before 67 sef.
see how you are contradicting your own self.
google searches of biafran ties to duvalier only link to igbo websites. clearly the igbos are claiming duvalier more than the other way round hehe
Azikiwe's job was not well done.

Dudu_Negro:

ibo was a derogatory name for a people despised by their more assertive and warring neighbors who captured and sold them into slavery. it was not a name or a group that people in the east wanted to be associated with.

the coming of europeans changed the local power dynamics between the ruler and the ruled. ibos were the ruled. this is why pre-europeans there is nothing in antiquity to give them parity to the great african kingdoms that ruled across many lands and took trouble to their rivals with decisive wins and domination.

the nigerian civil war was the first time igbo people raised arms against an indigenous african nation. the preparation and the outcome says plenty on how igbos view wars.

following their defeat, they acquired new knowledge in the value of nationalism. this new knowledge gave them a drive in the search for an igbo national symbol and tangible elements of greatness on which to stand tall and stand proud.

the yoruba and hausa models of great society was thus copied for domestic application. for its global representation and image the yoruba model was copied exclusively. thus today we hear stories of ibo greatness in exact same places around the globe where the dominance of yoruba culture, military and artistic achievements laid its footprints.

this is why the story of savannah and haiti and many other places around the globe are being re-written to donate dominance to a tribe that never had one. in the haiti story itself a lot of questions are yet to be settled and we should look at them.

first , let's look at igboland and its own finding. igbos claim nri as their progenitor. nri arrived (they claim he migrated from israel and was one of the lost tribes) to a land already under the rulership of aro. aro then subdued nri into subordination in his kingdom. in traditional african history and politics this is an aberration.......beside this occurrence there is not a people of black africa whose migrating progenitor was subdued by the receiving ruler. the arriving people end up changing the rule and the dynamics of the land and usurping rights and privileges to their own advantage. .....their own code and creed become the new law and authority on the land. the migrating nri failed to establish authority and rule.

if this haiti story of ibo dominating the haitianland is true then how is it that haitian culture and custom is yoruba and not ibo? remember, the dominant rules the culture and the customs. so where did this ibo dominance of haitian greatness dissapear to? it must not have been there to begin with. now, let's look at the slave stock of haitian people and why they ended up there to begin with. why were these people in haiti and not in africa? it's a simple answer - imperial wars! among them were warriors captured and sold off. so now we ask, were there ibo warriors sold off into slavery and which imperial power were they defending and who was the opponent power? those who rose up in mutiny and defended haiti against european firepower were the bloodlines of those warriors carted off from the african soil. to complete its story of haiti greatness and ibo led mutiny there are gaps in the ibo african story and relevance that need first to be filled.

the haiti mutiny, the brazilian mutiny and all the other mutinies in which africans are glorified in their enslaved land started long before those slaves departed africa. it is shameful to find pride in such a dehumanizing commerce but the morality of it aside, those that attribute greatness to the legacy of slave revolt must first tell us of their own revolt as free men on african soil.

this post is a call for truthful perspective on the abusive use and pandering of "bravery" as a badge of honor on a tribe whose track record on conflict is very sparse and none of which ever brought a measurable victory.........more like 3 conflicts and 0 win! bravery should be a reserve fort hose who have had 10 or more conflicts and 2 or greater wins.

You know I find you to be a repulsive bastard so why are you quoting me? Did you forget old man? Go die lice infested bastard.

Dudu_Negro:

ibo was a derogatory name for a people despised by their more assertive and warring neighbors who captured and sold them into slavery. it was not a name or a group that people in the east wanted to be associated with.

the coming of europeans changed the local power dynamics between the ruler and the ruled. ibos were the ruled. this is why pre-europeans there is nothing in antiquity to give them parity to the great african kingdoms that ruled across many lands and took trouble to their rivals with decisive wins and domination.

the nigerian civil war was the first time igbo people raised arms against an indigenous african nation. the preparation and the outcome says plenty on how igbos view wars.

following their defeat, they acquired new knowledge in the value of nationalism. this new knowledge gave them a drive in the search for an igbo national symbol and tangible elements of greatness on which to stand tall and stand proud.

the yoruba and hausa models of great society was thus copied for domestic application. for its global representation and image the yoruba model was copied exclusively. thus today we hear stories of ibo greatness in exact same places around the globe where the dominance of yoruba culture, military and artistic achievements laid its footprints.

this is why the story of savannah and haiti and many other places around the globe are being re-written to donate dominance to a tribe that never had one. in the haiti story itself a lot of questions are yet to be settled and we should look at them.

first , let's look at igboland and its own finding. igbos claim nri as their progenitor. nri arrived (they claim he migrated from israel and was one of the lost tribes) to a land already under the rulership of aro. aro then subdued nri into subordination in his kingdom. in traditional african history and politics this is an aberration.......beside this occurrence there is not a people of black africa whose migrating progenitor was subdued by the receiving ruler. the arriving people end up changing the rule and the dynamics of the land and usurping rights and privileges to their own advantage. .....their own code and creed become the new law and authority on the land. the migrating nri failed to establish authority and rule.

if this haiti story of ibo dominating the haitianland is true then how is it that haitian culture and custom is yoruba and not ibo? remember, the dominant rules the culture and the customs. so where did this ibo dominance of haitian greatness dissapear to? it must not have been there to begin with. now, let's look at the slave stock of haitian people and why they ended up there to begin with. why were these people in haiti and not in africa? it's a simple answer - imperial wars! among them were warriors captured and sold off. so now we ask, were there ibo warriors sold off into slavery and which imperial power were they defending and who was the opponent power? those who rose up in mutiny and defended haiti against european firepower were the bloodlines of those warriors carted off from the african soil. to complete its story of haiti greatness and ibo led mutiny there are gaps in the ibo african story and relevance that need first to be filled.

the haiti mutiny, the brazilian mutiny and all the other mutinies in which africans are glorified in their enslaved land started long before those slaves departed africa. it is shameful to find pride in such a dehumanizing commerce but the morality of it aside, those that attribute greatness to the legacy of slave revolt must first tell us of their own revolt as free men on african soil.

this post is a call for truthful perspective on the abusive use and pandering of "bravery" as a badge of honor on a tribe whose track record on conflict is very sparse and none of which ever brought a measurable victory.........more like 3 conflicts and 0 win! bravery should be a reserve fort hose who have had 10 or more conflicts and 2 or greater wins.

GBAM!!!

c.fours:


LOL if Duvalier felt he was a biafran descendant, he would have pledged support right from 67. before 67 sef.
see how you are contradicting your own self.
google searches of biafran ties to duvalier only link to igbo websites. clearly the igbos are claiming duvalier more than the other way round hehe
Azikiwe's job was not well done.

I gave you site that was not Igbo-owned

Who knows, but at the end of the day he sided with someone

c.fours:


GBAM!!!

Lol of course you would side with that load of crap. I don't blame you, low self esteem is a killer

If that was the case then how did the Mighty Yoruba get to the Americas? They swam

I love how non-Igbo people are somehow re-writing their own history. Igbo mafia is paying them off

why did Azikiwe give his child a yoruba name anyway. that's weird
Bamidele Azikiwe. lol

c.fours:
why did Azikiwe give his child a yoruba name anyway. that's weird
Bamidele Azikiwe. lol

Lol see how these folks complain. You say Igbo people are tribalist, then an Igbo guy gives his son a Yoruba name and you are still not satisfied

Crayola1:

Lol see how these folks complain. You say Igbo people are tribalist, then an Igbo guy gives his son a Yoruba name and you are still not satisfied

If I say igbo people are tribalist, I am referring to something else other than giving your children yoruba names. duh did he also have a child with an Hausa name?

c.fours:


If I say igbo people are tribalist, I am referring to something else other than giving your children yoruba names. duh did he also have a child with an Hausa name?

Maybe he did. Ojukwu had a daughter from a relationship with a Northern lady, so obviously he didn't hate Northerners outright

If you hate Igbo people are you going to give your child an Igbo name? Same for and group you dislike or are you going to pretend for the internets today?

I'll just leave this here:



In 1732 Ambrose Madison, grandfather of the future president, languished for weeks in a sickbed then died. The death, soon after his arrival on the plantation, bore hallmarks of what planters assumed to be traditional African medicine. African slaves were suspected of poisoning their master.

For Montpelier, his estate, and for Virginia, this was a watershed moment. Murder at Montpelier: Igbo Africans in Virginia examines the consequences of Madison's death and the ways in which this event shaped both white slaveholding society and the surrounding slave culture.

At Montpelier, now owned by the National Trust for Historic Preservation and open to the public, Igbo slaves under the directions of white overseers had been felling trees, clearing land, and planting tobacco and other crops for five years before Madison arrived. This deadly initial encounter between American colonial master and African slave community irrevocably changed both whites and blacks.

This book explores the many broader meanings of this suspected murder and its aftermath. It weaves together a series of transformations that followed, such as the negotiation of master-slave relations, the transformation of Igbo culture in the New World, and the social memory of a particular slave community. For the first time, the book presents the larger history of the slave community at James Madison's Montpelier-over the five generations from the 1720s through the 1850s and beyond. Murder at Montpelier: Igbo Africans in Virginia revises many assumptions about how Africans survived enslavement, the middle passage, and grueling labor as chattel in North America. The importance of Igbo among the colonial slave population makes this work a controversial reappraisal of how Africans made themselves "African Americans" in Virginia.

Douglas B. Chambers is a professor in the history department at the University of Southern Mississippi.

From the Publisher
-- The story of the poisoning of President James Madison's grandfather and the solidarity of a slave community's traditions
-- Involves a murder mystery with President James Madison's grandfather, witch doctors, and poisoning via traditional Igbo medicinal techniques

-- Reveals a fatal first encounter between colonial master and slave population in the New World

-- Connects written records and suppositions with established archaeology and ethnography of the Igbo

-- Demonstrates the strength of Igbo influence throughout Virginia

-- Traces the ways in which Igbo Africans became African Americans

And this is the author:
[img]http://www.usm.edu/sites/default/files/imagecache/sidebar_image/groups/department-history/faculty/douglas-b-chambers.jpg[/img]

White as bread

Crayola1:

Maybe he did. Ojukwu had a daughter from a relationship with a Northern lady, so obviously he didn't hate Northerners outright

If you hate Igbo people are you going to give your child an Igbo name? Same for and group you dislike or are you going to pretend for the internets today?

LOL. what is this one saying. even the most putrid slave owners had kids with their black slaves.

I don't hate igbos. but I do hate biafrans. point of clarification.
and why would I give my chidren ugly names like Chukwuchibike when there are tons of beautiful yoruba names to pick from. Even Azikiwe couldn't resist.
how old are you anyway. you type as if you are no more than 16 yrs old.
I'm not really here to exchange sentences with a teenager. so chao

c.fours:


LOL. what is this one saying. even the most putrid slave owners had kids with their black slaves.

I don't hate igbos. but I do hate Biafrans. point of clarification.
and why would I give my chidren ugly names like Chukwuchibike when there are tons of beautiful yoruba names to pick from. Even Azikiwe couldn't resist.

how old are you anyway. you type as if you are no more than 16 yrs old.
I'm not really here to exchange sentences with a teenager. so chao

Sleeping with someone is not the same as giving someone a name. Unless you think that hookers think all their clients are special to them and not just another dollar. If that's the case was the Igbo names thread the most popular in the culture section You don't like them but others do

Yawn. Sure you don't another "I'm one with everyone" guy

Of course everything with Nigerians is age. If they don't have a point they have to mention age as though the fact the have a gray hair on their balls means wisdom That they cant be old and dumb. Because all the mature leaders Nigeria has shows age makes a difference...oh wait no

it's past your bedtime. go to sleep kiddo.

c.fours:
it's past your bedtime. go to sleep kiddo.

You first old man. You have a full day of meds and remembering when Coke cost only one kobo back in your day
Going to watch some TV, no Telly is probably the better word. You look back fondly on your days in the Colonial Administration

So Books, links, and other sources are all lies. You got to love NL logic, where what you pull out from you behind is considered fact.

c.fours:


you call it "bravery," I call it stupidity. LOL nothing heroic in suicide, just slaves who couldn't handle the work and looking for a way out. they would have been killed off anyway. they were just smart enough to make the job easier for their slave masters.
reminds me of financial crisis and the wall street bankers jumping from high story building to avoid jail. duh everyone wanted them dead anyway. they just made the task easier.
suicide is defined as "THE COWARD'S WAY OUT" for a reason. other than that, it's for sleazy folks looking for self glory and martyrdom. and of course not getting it such behavior can only be excused in mentally ill persons. otherwise, then srry you're nothing short of a FOOL.

besides, I wonder why the OP began his post by talking about Yoruba people? hahaha clowns

LMFAO. Dude you sound so pathetic hating on a group of slaves that chose their own destiny in their hand as oppose to follow a master simply because they are from a tribe you do not like. Damn, if the post I'm replying to write now is not the definition of pathetic-ness and pitiful and just flat out something and it's writer to pity, then nothing in this world would define those words. Dude you are pathetic. Hating on slaves. WOW!!! SMH and LMFAO. If that is not pathetic, I don't know what else is. LMFAO. Chei!!! They were slaves that refused to follow "massa" as their dear counterpart, they decided to end it knowing damn well they have no other way to go. As for saying they aren't remembered. The sadness of your worries is on you. Igbo landing is well known in that part of America and from I heard, the people residing in that part of the country still afraid to visit or fish in that river out of fear of the "slaves ghosts". Even the AA in that region use it as a remembrance of their strength. Go check it out in the georgia encyclopedia. They wrote all about it. One thing the Igbo slaves were known for during the slavery era was rebellion. They were among the highest slaves that chose suicide than the become a slave due to the belief if they die, the gods would return them back home to their original land. The ones that chose to live were known to either run away, kill or fight their master, or start a revolt against white massa. Though Igbos weren't the only ones, the angola and congo slaves were equally stubborn. Bight of Biafra slaves and the Angola slaves were the most disliked slaves in America for a reason. They were the only ones that gave their master headaches. One that is well known in Virginia is James Madison, an ex-USA president, whose grandfather was killed by four Igbo slaves. Another that is known in Lousiana was Claude Trenonay killed by his Igbo slaves who later tried to get the mandika's and wolof of that plantation to revolt against their master.

During the slave trade, Igbo slaves were known to be the most rebellious. Igbo slaves led most of the slave rebellions in the United States, Haiti, Jamaica, Belize, Trinidad and Tobago, Barbados and Guyana.

http://pridepublishinggroup.com/pride/2013/02/09/african-ethnic-groups-and-religions/

In the United States the Igbo slaves were known for being rebellious. In some states such as Georgia, the Igbo had a high suicide rate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people_in_the_Atlantic_slave_trade

The Igbo were affected heavily by the Atlantic slave trade in the 18th century. Igbo slaves were known for being rebellious and having a high count of suicide in defiance of slavery

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_American#cite_note-6

Igbo slaves, along with 'Angolas' and 'Congoes' were most prone to be runaways. In slave runaway advertisements held in Jamaica workhouses in 1803, out of 1046 Africans, 284 were described as 'Eboes and Mocoes', 185 'Congoes', 259 'Angolas', 101 'Mandingoes', 70 Coromantees, 60 'Chamba' of Sierra Leone, 57 'Nagoes and Pawpaws', and 30 'scattering'. 187 were 'unclassified' and 488 were 'American born negroes and mulattoes'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people_in_Jamaica#Rebellions

The 1815 Igbo conspiracy in Jamaica's Saint Elizabeth Parish which involved around 250 Igbo slaves,[19] described as one of the revolts that contributed to a climate for abolition.[20] A letter by the Governor of Manchester to Bathurst on April 13, 1816[21] quoted the leaders of the rebellion on trial as saying "that 'he had all the Eboes in his hand', meaning to insinuate that all the Negroes from that Country were under his controul".[22] The plot was thwarted and several slaves were executed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people_in_Jamaica#cite_note-23

The 1816 Black River rebellion plot which according to Lewis (1834:227—28) only people of 'Eboe' origin were involved.[23] This plot was uncovered on March 22, 1816 by a novelist and absentee planter named Matthew Gregory 'Monk' Lewis, when he had recorded what Hayward (1985) calls a proto-Calypso revolutionary hymn, sung by a group of Igbo slaves led by the 'King of the Eboes'.

http://books.google.com/books?id=O06PhHXMJM0C&pg=PA84#v=onepage&q=Eboe&f=false

Even Nat turner is believed to be an Igbo descendant. Though that hasn't be verified yet just a statement that's going around among the african-american community that study african and their own history.

120 years later Nat Turner led a revolt in Virginia that killed approximately 60 whites. In accordance with his Igbo(Egbo) origins, Turner bestowed upon himself the honors of Odogo

http://moorishamerica.webs.com/thegreaterigbonation.htm

Among the many Ibo influences present in Haiti, perhaps the most enduring is the Ibo passion for self -determination. That passion helped to fuel our fore-parents efforts to combat slavery. As their descendants, we continue to honor the Ibo and all the other nations who fought to create a more democratic Haiti. No Africans in Haiti were willingly enslaved and people of all African nations rebelled against slavery. Nonetheless, because of the Ibo passion for democracy, they became the group most associated with rebellion against slavery.

http://www.bookmanlit.com/ibogranmouno.html

You should also go and read "The River Flows on: Black Resistance, Culture, and Identity Formation in Early America." by rucker walter.

Some people are born and do not care whether or not they are slaves while there are those like the Igbos, the Akans, The Angolans slaves, the Congo slave, the Mandika's who refused to be slaves and the most recorded slaves to rebel and revolt against their master. That's one thing Nigeria especially the north needs to get in their thick head, Igbos ain't nobody's slave.

c.fours:


you call it "bravery," I call it stupidity. LOL nothing heroic in suicide, just slaves who couldn't handle the work and looking for a way out. they would have been killed off anyway. they were just smart enough to make the job easier for their slave masters.
reminds me of financial crisis and the wall street bankers jumping from high story building to avoid jail. duh everyone wanted them dead anyway. they just made the task easier.
suicide is defined as "THE COWARD'S WAY OUT" for a reason. other than that, it's for sleazy folks looking for self glory and martyrdom. and of course not getting it such behavior can only be excused in mentally ill persons. otherwise, then srry you're nothing short of a FOOL.

besides, I wonder why the OP began his post by talking about Yoruba people? hahaha clowns

Lastly, why don't you go and ask the OP why he started the discussion with Yoruba? Why are you people so f2king afraid of northerners? You wondering why he called una name but too scared to ask the nigg@. Abeg, I'll do it for you since you are so afraid of them. Ndu_chucks why did you start the topic with the yoruba people name?

Crayola1: I'll just leave this here:



In 1732 Ambrose Madison, grandfather of the future president, languished for weeks in a sickbed then died. The death, soon after his arrival on the plantation, bore hallmarks of what planters assumed to be traditional African medicine. African slaves were suspected of poisoning their master.

For Montpelier, his estate, and for Virginia, this was a watershed moment. Murder at Montpelier: Igbo Africans in Virginia examines the consequences of Madison's death and the ways in which this event shaped both white slaveholding society and the surrounding slave culture.

At Montpelier, now owned by the National Trust for Historic Preservation and open to the public, Igbo slaves under the directions of white overseers had been felling trees, clearing land, and planting tobacco and other crops for five years before Madison arrived. This deadly initial encounter between American colonial master and African slave community irrevocably changed both whites and blacks.

This book explores the many broader meanings of this suspected murder and its aftermath. It weaves together a series of transformations that followed, such as the negotiation of master-slave relations, the transformation of Igbo culture in the New World, and the social memory of a particular slave community. For the first time, the book presents the larger history of the slave community at James Madison's Montpelier-over the five generations from the 1720s through the 1850s and beyond. Murder at Montpelier: Igbo Africans in Virginia revises many assumptions about how Africans survived enslavement, the middle passage, and grueling labor as chattel in North America. The importance of Igbo among the colonial slave population makes this work a controversial reappraisal of how Africans made themselves "African Americans" in Virginia.

Douglas B. Chambers is a professor in the history department at the University of Southern Mississippi.

From the Publisher
-- The story of the poisoning of President James Madison's grandfather and the solidarity of a slave community's traditions
-- Involves a murder mystery with President James Madison's grandfather, witch doctors, and poisoning via traditional Igbo medicinal techniques

-- Reveals a fatal first encounter between colonial master and slave population in the New World

-- Connects written records and suppositions with established archaeology and ethnography of the Igbo

-- Demonstrates the strength of Igbo influence throughout Virginia

-- Traces the ways in which Igbo Africans became African Americans

And this is the author:
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White as bread

Very interesting book. I read it a couple of times before.

murder at mont pelier does not answer the questions we ask .

in fact it supports what i said that there is a new search around the globe to give meaning to an erstwhile meaningless greatness.

writers look for income, there are many writers probing around africa for unwritten stories to pen in hope of getting movie deals. they care nothing about the truthfullness.


look in that banner of mont pelier with spellong for igbo. white man would have spelled it as "ibo" and not igbo. so there is some influence on the. story. its authenticity has to corroborated with precedence here in africa.

the slaves knew who was who based on tribe. a wolof would not know ibo but an ibo would know about wolof. songhay, ashanti, oyo, bini, kanem.....none of these people knew about ibo. it was the coming of white man that we now know about ibo. there is oral and written documentation in yoruba history where bini, zazzau, sokoto, yauri, bida, .....all these places were narrated but no mention of ibo or any part of ibo land. ibo was not known. this is very important!

the importance of it has consequences in the slave social heierachy. only those from great tribes were nominated to lead mutinies and revolts and speak on behalf of the rest........

in the presense of a wolof, mandingo, ashanti, hausa, yoruba, bini, kanem slave, ibo slave has no authority to speak much more lead a revolt.

i am surprised that ibo has not claimed kunta kinte on attribute of his rebellion and bravery. it is also shocking that they have not claimed the mutiny on amistad as an ibo slave rebellion, quite shovking!

SMH @ some region of some specific part of Nigeria is hating that they are not included among the slaves with highest rebellion status. SMH. Wow, even in slavery some people want to be noticed. LMFAO!!!!

Blyss:

Very interesting book. I read it a couple of times before.

Kind of explains alot. I've read the book as well and half of some of your belief concerning Igbo tend to imitate some of his words in the book.

One_Naira: SMH @ some region of some specific part of Nigeria is hating that they are not included among the slaves with highest rebellion status. SMH. Wow, even in slavery some people want to be noticed. LMFAO!!!!



Kind of explains alot. I've read the book as well and half of some of your belief concerning Igbo tend to imitate some of his words in the book.

nobody need to glorify slavery but everybody need to account for their acts and track record on bravery if breavery and assertive, dominant power is the new currency for political relevance.

Dudu_Negro:

nobody need to glorify slavery but everybody need to account for their acts and track record on bravery if breavery and assertive, dominant power is the new currency for political relevance.

Whatever you say dude. Everyone is making up stories. The White Americans are making up stories. The African-American are making up stories, the Jamaicans, Haitians, etc are making up stories about Igbo rebellion since Yoruba is not included.

LMFAO!!! I just find it funny that some of ya'll hating on slaves. That is some crazy sh1t right there. LMFAO. WOW. WOW Damn that is hilarious.

Dudu_Negro: murder at mont pelier does not answer the questions we ask .

in fact it supports what i said that there is a new search around the globe to give meaning to an erstwhile meaningless greatness.

writers look for income, there are many writers probing around africa for unwritten stories to pen in hope of getting movie deals. they care nothing about the truthfullness.


look in that banner of mont pelier with spellong for igbo. white man would have spelled it as "ibo" and not igbo. so there is some influence on the. story. its authenticity has to corroborated with precedence here in africa.

the slaves knew who was who based on tribe. a wolof would not know ibo but an ibo would know about wolof. songhay, ashanti, oyo, bini, kanem.....none of these people knew about ibo. it was the coming of white man that we now know about ibo. there is oral and written documentation in yoruba history where bini, zazzau, sokoto, yauri, bida, .....all these places were narrated but no mention of ibo or any part of ibo land. ibo was not known. this is very important!

the importance of it has consequences in the slave social heierachy. only those from great tribes were nominated to lead mutinies and revolts and speak on behalf of the rest........

in the presense of a wolof, mandingo, ashanti, hausa, yoruba, bini, kanem slave, ibo slave has no authority to speak much more lead a revolt.

i am surprised that ibo has not claimed kunta kinte on attribute of his rebellion and bravery. it is also shocking that they have not claimed the mutiny on amistad as an ibo slave rebellion, quite shovking!

None of that makes any sense. You need some sleep ace, cause you've just posted up a bunch of nonsensical tired azz babble.

One_Naira:

Whatever you say dude. Everyone is making up stories. The White Americans are making up stories. The African-American are making up stories, the Jamaicans, Haitians, etc are making up stories about Igbo rebellion since Yoruba is not included.

LMFAO!!! I just find it funny that some of ya'll hating on slaves. That is some crazy sh1t right there. LMFAO. WOW. WOW Damn that is hilarious.

true slave narratives were not written down. the people were not allowed to write their own story and what they told of themselves were left unrecorded either. whatever account you hear of slave history is what white americans "selectively" picked for documentation. no true slave narrative that was worth its greatness and that competed with white culture in parity was recorded........the greatness is removed and replaced by its uglyness. by all means, a slave is to be presented as a savage, ugly, cruel, dangerous, uncultured. the african warriors in slavery were none of these. so if all you see today in written record is ibo, then it is again in support of the fact that ibo was not a challenge to the whiteman authority and rule......hence history of slavery is filled with their "supposed" bravery for rebellion.