Ofunaofu:


https://leadership.ng/memoranda-submission-for-state-police-by-govs-a-waste-of-time-makinde/

I think Governor Seyi Makinde is right on this case. Let the submission be made at the National Assembly by some or all the states requesting it and the National Assembly can amend the laws to accommodate it.

Then state house of assemblies can make required laws to establish the state police, enabling the government to operate state police and fund it.

helinues:
Like I said before, we are not matured yet for state politicing

Whether we are matured or not,state police is an idea whose time has already come!
The situation we are currently facing demands the institutions of state policing!
Central policing as we currently have is not only archaic but a recipe for an impending disaster!
As much as flaws may exist in it's implementation,we cannot take it away!
As it stands in state police,we are damned if we do and damned if we don't!

Kukutente23:

Do you also realise that states were consulted on minimum wage and they gave divergent views?
That was the crux of their disagreement with Buhari cause he had to do away with their disjointed recommendations.
The way forward is consult with them and move forward. If you are waiting for all the states to be satisfied, it will never happen.
If the states reject it, everyone knows it's the states so they can't complain going forward.
There is a process for amendments which needs to be followed and not all this assignment given to govs to write reports. That's meaningless

Kindly truthfully answer this.

If it was a LAW for money sharing formula will
governor seyi Makinde say this??

Godoverevery:


Kindly truthfully answer this.

If it was a LAW for money sharing formula will
governor seyi Makinde say this??

Of course he won't!
If there was a law for money sharing formula, will Tinubu tell govs to send in their reports? Answer truthfully

But,however,sir Makinde,please try as much as possible to learn from what happened to senator Ningi,. You are in a very good position to know better that our country Nigeria is gone,so subtly join the bandwagon before the group of 'emperial highnesses' reasons your case

You think everyone is a coward like you

We don't need it. Nigeria is not ripe for that kind of thing yet. A Governor will use it to witch hunt his political opponents. Governors that cannot afford to pay civil servants minimum wage can't possibly afford to recruit, train, equip and pay thousands of police. Tribalism will also mar it. Please let's not start another thing we cannot finish in this Country.

Stop deceiving yourselves, if you actually wanted state police you would get it- makinde in other words

commoditiesnig:

Lol.. everyone likes to pass the buck and not take responsibility.

This is the problem of Nigeria, but they will see people clapping for them because their statements appeal to their sèntiments.
Last year Hope Uzodimma said leadership in Nigeria is very bàd and talked and talked.
What is Hope Uzodimma?
Yet people clapped for him.
We prefer talks too much in this country.

adekolaelect:
Mr governor ... The states request for police from the federal government. But you said it is a waste of time to submit your views on how you want ant it to work but you want it to go to the national assembly directly where they know nothing than money to just approve it like that without national security adviser's office? Oga it is like you don't have what to write about state police. State Police is more than what only the national assembly will Handle but all stake holders need to have input on how it will work without becoming a fighting tools in the hand of you politicians.

How is the National Economic Council relates to the creation of the state police?

Bmaster:
it is a very good suggestion and as a matter of fact how it's supposed to have been done, assuming Nigeria and it's leadership were not at the mercy of a grab-and-runaway-with-it politicians.
But,however,sir Makinde,please try as much as possible to learn from what happened to senator Ningi,. You are in a very good position to know better that our country Nigeria is gone,so subtly join the bandwagon before the group of 'emperial highnesses' reasons your case

This is beyond your comprehension. Stop wailing.

Putindbutt:
Everyone knows it is a constitutional matter, however, how can it be fasttracked if governors do not show commitments knowing that the amendements of the constitution largerly depend on the governors. For the creation of police and other issues, the lawmakers both at national and state levels receive greenlight from their governors. The executive knows very well the type of people they're dealing with, disloyal and unstable characters. If you all met together and agreed, why not back it up and submit your report?. A lot of the times, these people agree over an issue at NEC but go back to their states and do otherwise.

Don't mind Makinde. He is not committed to State Police that's why he is not submitting memoranda. Yes it's d work of NASS but d presidency is asking for your input so that when it gets to d states u won't complain u were not consulted and use ur influence with your lawmakers to block it. State policing is complex, d bill to be sent to NASS needs d buy in of all d critical stakeholders but cos Makinde doesn't really want to shoulder d responsibility of policing his state, he is being coy. He doesn't want to be forced to account for his huge security votes. What would he lose if he sends his suggestions to NEC as they already agreed? If he opposed sending memo, why didn't he say so during d NEC meeting where d decision was taken?

Kukutente23:

Of course he won't!
If there was a law for money sharing formula, will Tinubu tell govs to send in their reports? Answer truthfully

Ofcos the president will definitely.....didn't presidency consult them when they wanted to share the Paris club refund

So na the NA go help you study if you can afford the salaries of state police if created? When you've your own opinion why not meet Tinubu one of Yoruba leader who happen to be the president instead of granting unnecessary interview and fooling yourself

Godoverevery:


Ofcos the president will definitely.....didn't presidency consult them when they wanted to share the Paris club refund

The Paris Club refund is money belonging to the states deemed deducted illegally by OBJ's govt.
And when did Tinubu paid Paris Club refunds? I believe that was Buhari.
What you're comparing is totally irrelevant and it shows you're dishonest if you believe Tinubu will consult with states on how to reduce his own allocation.
Was it not same fg that claimed to give states 5bn each to share as palliatives and till today no state got the full money never mind that more than half of the money was actually loans.

These our Governors are not serious, what they should do in their respective states is, to call, their Senators and HOR Membersand tell them that the case of State police will be tabled at the National Assembly and this is our stand and this is our position. Simple all these memo writing is pure waste of time. State Police is a constitutional matter.

Blue3k:


Wow, an elected politician with common sense. This man is correct anout the redundant bureaucracy. Pass the amendment in NASS then Kick it to the state assemblies to debate and ratify. The feds don't need to micromanage the process. Leave it that to state assemblies. If these policemen break the laws or violate rights go ahead and prosecute them in federal court.

PS: The executives don't get a vote on constitutional amendment. Its all about the NASS and State Assemblies.

He is correct but intellectually lazy
Submit a proposal in line with your own state and economic peculiarities ,he refused.
Who doesn't know it is a constitutional issue?

ValarDoharis:
It does not depend on the governors, they're are not law makers but executives.

Get the NASS to work then fave the state houses of assemblies.

If you guys are not ready for democracy and take decisions as it should, then military should step in

So, NASS will sit and deliberate on what? Is that how things works? NASS must first see paperworks on state police and not just sit down to approve the idea.

He was just trying to sound wise but in the long run, just sounds unwise

Kukutente23:

The Paris Club refund is money belonging to the states deemed deducted illegally by OBJ's govt.
And when did Tinubu paid Paris Club refunds? I believe that was Buhari.
What you're comparing is totally irrelevant and it shows you're dishonest if you believe Tinubu will consult with states on how to reduce his own allocation.
Was it not same fg that claimed to give states 5bn each to share as palliatives and till today no state got the full money never mind that more than half of the money was actually loans.

This will be last response.

Throughout all my responses to you I kept on using the word presidency and I have used buhari administration as my point of reference the most.

For me governance is a continuous thing that why even tinibu is being blamed for buhari errors.


Am not here to win any arguement with you....ciao

boxypane:
I think State Policing is a welcome idea, my only problem is the level of impunity these Governors will perpetrate over controlling state Police. They've already done damages to the economy by making their states unproductive. Just imagine a state like Kogi with second highest deposit of mineral resources, borrowing over N20b from CBN to pay salaries, who go pay state police officers?

Without resource control state police will never work

Without resource control state police is just a waste of time

pharmagba:

He is correct but intellectually lazy
Submit a proposal in line with your own state and economic peculiarities ,he refused.
Who doesn't know it is a constitutional issue?

The feds don't need his proposal. He should submit his proposals to his state's assembly. Then the citizens of his state can judge it.

COOOOOOOORECT.

bentenny:

Whether we are matured or not,state police is an idea whose time has already come!
The situation we are currently facing demands the institutions of state policing!
Central policing as we currently have is not only archaic but a recipe for an impending disaster!
As much as flaws may exist in it's implementation,we cannot take it away!
As it stands in state police,we are damned if we do and damned if we don't!

State police is a good idea but too expensive how can the state governors fund it that's part of what makinde is saying

Eteka1:
We don't need it. Nigeria is not ripe for that kind of thing yet. A Governor will use it to witch hunt his political opponents. Governors that cannot afford to pay civil servants minimum wage can't possibly afford to recruit, train, equip and pay thousands of police. Tribalism will also mar it. Please let's not start another thing we cannot finish in this Country.

You are a wise man

Godoverevery:


This will be last response.

Throughout all my responses to you I kept on using the word presidency and I have used buhari administration as my point of reference the most.

For me governance is a continuous thing that why even tinibu is being blamed for buhari errors.


Am not here to win any arguement with you....ciao

You used the word presidency only once
Every president is different from the other in manner of approach to issues so your claim on continuum while a concept, is not grounded in reality.
For example, Buhari refused to have anything to do with state policing. It seems Tinubu wants to go in that direction.
That said, the Crux of the matter which Makinde raised is that state policing is a legislative matter. You have not been able to debunk that but you think a governor should engage in time wasting bureaucracy on a matter he is not expect to be actively involved in.
Tinubu should send a bill for constitutional amendment on state policing to NASS. Let the NGF as a body take a position and submit their position to NASS as well.
Let NASS harmonize and come up with a workable bill which they'll pass on to the states. If the states are ok with it, it sails through. If not, there's always the chance to make adjustments. But to claim you're waiting for govs before you can kickstart an agenda in your manifesto is simply a case of kicking the can down the road.
As you can see, only 16 out of 36 govs have given their feedback.

Orch1981:

State police is a good idea but too expensive how can the state governors fund it that's part of what makinde is saying

There are various ways to fund policing in the state and LGA!
One of them is placing policing on a yearly budget!
Another can be in form of an affordable tax system which could be regarded as police trust fund!
You can also have companies in the state pay a particular percentage or amount called security tax!
Funding for me isn't really the problem!
The real problem that must be tackled is who will the state commissioner of police be answerable to?
Notwithstanding the flaws that will be experienced by the establishment of state policing,it's still better than a central policing system!

He has punctured the balloon of dishonesty.
Go straight to the process, that's it.

Correct.
The first thing is to initiate a constitutional change bill in the national assembly.
When it becomes legal, then you can talk about memorandum or what have you.

They know but pretend not to.

The very few enlightened supporters know all these facts you just stated but they feign ignorance cos they get crumbs.

The ignorant lot (many on nl) are just blind bigoted followers/supporters who prefer to sit in front of the homes of these few beneficiaries to beg for food and money.

GSM should be careful before they Ningi him.

But time will tell.

Kukutente23:
Here is an intelligent man speaking.
Tinubu's govt revels in playing to the gallery, being loud on everything and public posturing while pushing the buck down the road.
They and their propaganda team have found a new canon fodder in state govs whom they use to hide their indecision and inefficiencies.
Just like the claim of giving 30bn to state govs, increased allocation to state govs when in real terms the value is less, the state police is another one they've adopted same tactics.
Another one is the minimum wage committee. They've been going from zone to zone asking what each labour movement wants when they already know they have no intention of using those inputs. Just a jamboree and waste of time. At the end, the minimum wage will linger beyond the time legally set by law for its operation.
I haven't been impressed with this govt. The business of governance has been totally abysmal and it's easy to see that they don't have any solution to the main questions neither do they even pretend to.
The little reprieve they got in exchange rate and they've been chestbeating like they just got Nigeria to Singaporean Eldorado when in actual fact, they are back to the same Buhari and Emefiele policies they maligned.
Chief of staff budget got ballooned. A certain minister is asking for security votes which if allowed will open the door for others to do same. Imagine 48 security votes at federal level minus that of the president. Then some fools will tell you to go and hold the 36 state govs accountable.
No sane and honest Nigerian has any business voting this govt beyond 2027. The cluelessness and corruption is unprecedented.

That is exactly what NASS does, amend the constitution to include law they've passed. State police is not a new concept. Almost all civilized countries have state and even city police.

Why are we eating yams as if they contain bones?

Nauttyprof:


So, NASS will sit and deliberate on what? Is that how things works? NASS must first see paperworks on state police and not just sit down to approve the idea.

He was just trying to sound wise but in the long run, just sounds unwise