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GE 3:16, CO 11:3-9, EP 5:22-24, CN 3:18, TS 2:5, 1PE 3:1-6
The husband is to rule over his wife. Wives are to be subject to their husbands even when the husband is disobedient to God. Man is the image and glory of God, while woman is the glory of man. Man was not created for woman but woman for man.

GE 3:16 Women should suffer pain during childbirth. (Note: This verse was used by the Church to oppose the use of anesthesia during childbirth.)

EX 21:7-11
A father can sell a daughter into slavery to pay a debt. A daughter sold into slavery is not released at the end of six years as is an ordinary male slave.

EX 22:16-17
An unbetrothed virgin is required to marry her seducer.

LE 12:2
A woman who has a child, especially a female child, is unclean and purification rites are required.

LE 15:19
A woman who is menstruating is unclean. Anyone who touches her is unclean.

LE 15:20
Anything which a woman who is menstruating sits on or lies on is unclean.

LE 15:21
Anyone who touches the bed of a woman who is menstruating must wash his clothes and bathe, and is unclean until evening.

LE 15:22
Anyone who touches anything which was sat upon by a woman who is menstruating must wash his clothes and bathe, and is unclean until evening.

LE 15:28
After her flow stops, a woman who was menstruating must count off seven days before she is considered clean again. On the eighth day, she must present two birds to the priest for an atonement for having had a menstrual discharge.

LE 27:3-7
Males are more valuable than females.

NU 5:12-31
A woman suspected or accused of adultery is to be tested by making her drink the “water of bitterness,” or holy water mixed with dust from the floor. (Note: There is no such test for men.) In Anambra, na dead body wash water...

NU 31:18, 35, JG 21:12
Young virgins are considered a spoil of war and can be taken for the use of the victors.

DT 22:13-21
A bride in whom “the tokens of virginity” are not found is to be put to death. (Note: The bridegroom who falsely accuses his bride gets off with a fine.)

DT 22:23-24
A betrothed virgin who is seduced in the city is to be put to death unless she cries for help.

DT 22:28-29
A virgin who is raped must marry her rapist (if they are “found”).

DT 24:1-4
A man may divorce his wife simply because she displeases him.

DT 25:5-10
A man has an obligation to produce a child for his widowed sister-in-law.

DT 25:11
A wife who grabs her husband’s opponent by his “private parts” must have her hand cut off and is to be shown no pity.

JG 21:21
The Benjamites are commanded to take wives by hiding in the vineyards and then seizing the “daughters of Shiloh” as they come out to dance.

PR 31:10-31
The able wife is to bring only profit and no loss, rise before dawn, buy land prudently, plant a vineyard with her earnings, keep her lamp burning all night, gird herself to work, be generous to the poor, lend a hand to the forlorn, talk shrewd sense, offer kindly counsel, and never be idle.

New testament
1CO 11:3-10
A woman is to keep her head covered while praying or prophesying.

1CO 14:34-35
Women are to be silent in church. If they have any questions, they are to ask their husbands at home. It is a shame for women to speak in church.

1TI 2:9, 1PE 3:3
Women should not braid their hair, or wear gold or pearls or costly attire.

1TI 2:11-12
Women are to learn in silence (from men) in all submissiveness.

1TI 2:12
Women are not permitted to teach or have authority over men.

HISSCRIBE1995 and Fxmasterz are all these laws inspired and in your Bible?

AbuTwins:
are all these laws inspired and in your Bible?

Absolutely!
The Old Law of Moses is God's Constitutional Law in the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan. Of course, God later had to destroy the Nation so the land would get the rest it needed beginning with the nation of Israel in 720BC and then the sister nation of Judah beginning about 70AD. God promised He would rebuild His nation by Himself again and rule over it Himself forever.

However, OP, given that the nation to which the Law belonged was destroyed almost 2000 years ago, it means the Law of Moses, which you quote from has not been in effect in any land for that same period. So why do you quote that Law— the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel which belonged to the God of israel— in this particular case to compare it with laws that exist to even this moment in the religion of Islam?

AbuTwins:
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HISSCRIBE1995 and Fxmasterz are all these laws inspired and in your Bible?

Women suffer pains as a result of the curse which God gave as a punishment for disobedience in the garden of Eden. Man's punishment was for his to toil hard before he gets food to eat. The church that took a stance against women taking anaesthesia during childbirth were simply ignorant.

All the laws you quoted are the constitutions God gave Israel for use in national administration and governance. It has nothing to do with religion or Christianity.

The problem with you guys is that you cannot differentiate between God's theocratic dealings with Israel as a nation from God's dealings with the world as a Father.

FxMasterz:


Women suffer pains as a result of the curse which God gave as a punishment for disobedience in the garden of Eden. Man's punishment was for his to toil hard before he gets food to eat. The church that took a stance against women taking anaesthesia during childbirth were simply ignorant.

All the laws you quoted are the constitutions God gave Israel for use in national administration and governance. It has nothing to do with religion or Christianity.

The problem with you guys is that you cannot differentiate between God's theocratic dealings with Israel as a nation from God's dealings with the world as a Father.

Are the Laws from your God? FxMasterz!

AbuTwins:


Are the Laws from your God? FxMasterz!

As the Theocratic King of Israel, those laws were for National Constitution.

God relates with the world as a A Father and not as a Theocratic King as He did with Israel. As the Father God that He is, the laws are not applicable to us. Infact God abolished those laws when He shifted His focus from Israel to the whole world. God relates with us as a Father. Embrace Him as a son. Even Israel who was once under God's Theocrstuc rule is included in the current Fatherly relationship of God.

FxMasterz:


As the Theocratic King of Israel, those laws were for National Constitution.

God relates with the world as a A Father and not as a Theocrstuc King as He did with Israel. As the Father God that He is, the laws are not applicable to us. Infact God abolished those laws when He shifted His focus from Israel to the whole world. God relates with us a Father. Embrace Him as a son. Even Israel who was once under God's Theocrstuc rule is included in the current Fatherly relationship of God.

You meant God was brutal in the Old testament and changed in the New Testament?

Can God change?

Even Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law and the Prophets but to fulfil it. So why are you guys running from same laws?

AbuTwins:


You meant God was brutal in the Old testament and changed in the New Testament?

Can God change?

Even Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law and the Prophets but to fulfil it. So why are you guys running from same laws?

God doesn't change.

The Old Testament is God's dealings with Israel as a nation. The New Testament is God's dealings with the whole world.

God is the same. But the method He used in governing Israel is different from the method He is using in relating with the world.

FxMasterz:


God doesn't change.

The Old Testament is God's dealings with Israel as a nation. The New Testament is God's dealings with the whole world.

God is the same. But the method He used in governing Israel is different from the method He is using in relating with the world.

If a father deals differently with his sons, is that father fair and Just?

Why did Jesus say in Matthew 5:17:
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

AbuTwins:


If a father deals differently with his sons, is that father fair and Just?

Why did Jesus say in Matthew 5:17:
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

He is not dealing differently with His sons. I told you Israel is included in God's Father dealings with the world. God deals with everyone now as a Father, including Israel.

Don't get confused please.

Correction: Yeshua specifically said HE did NOT abolish the law. Yeshua fulfilled the ritual law pertaining to sin and death.

The law of Moses was not abolished. You keep saying this dogmatically. It is not good theology.

FxMasterz:


As the Theocratic King of Israel, those laws were for National Constitution.

God relates with the world as a A Father and not as a Theocratic King as He did with Israel. As the Father God that He is, the laws are not applicable to us. Infact God abolished those laws when He shifted His focus from Israel to the whole world. God relates with us as a Father. Embrace Him as a son. Even Israel who was once under God's Theocrstuc rule is included in the current Fatherly relationship of God.

SeraphEl:
Correction: Yeshua specifically said HE did NOT abolish the law. Yeshua fulfilled the ritual law pertaining to sin and death.

The law of Moses was not abolished. You keep saying this dogmatically. It is not good theology.

Please create a thread for this topic and don't derail the thread.

I have treated this issue severally on this forum with overwhelming scriptural backing.

Please go and study your Bible. The scriptures say the Old Testament was abolished. Who are you to say they're not?

Create a thread or go through my discourse on this forum and counter me if you're not convinced by the scriptural references and exegesis.

FxMasterz:


He is not dealing differently with His sons. I told you Israel is included in God's Father dealings with the world. God deals with everyone now as a Father, including Israel.

Don't get confused please.

You skipped this in the last comment, why?

Why did Jesus say in Matthew 5:17:
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

AbuTwins:


You skipped this in the last comment, why?

Why did Jesus say in Matthew 5:17:
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Jesus came to fulfil the law. The Bible says Love is the fulfillment of the law:

"Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law." Romans 13:10.

Jesus summarized all the law into the Royal LAW; to love God with all one's heart, and do love one's neighbors as oneself.

Those are the two laws Jesus brought, and He said:

"On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." Mathew 22:40.

When you walk in love, you can't break any law. That's why Love is the fulfillment of all commandments. By introducing the law of Love, Jesus fulfilled the law.

Therefore, we are enjoined as follows:

"Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him." 1 John 4:7-21

AbuTwins:
■ You meant God was brutal in the Old testament and changed in the New Testament?
■ Can God change?
■ Even Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law and the Prophets but to fulfil it. So why are you guys running from same laws?

God never changed His Mind. The Law of Moses remains, even to this very day, the National Constitution of God's Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan. It is an Eternal Covenant meaning the Law never changes and hence God never changes His Mind.

2. Again, God's Law is Eternal — Unchanging!

3. Running from what Law? The same God who created the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan over which He then placed His Law is the same who destroyed the Nation, scattering the people out of it beginning in 720 AD when He used the Assyrian Army to decimate the nation of Israel, and then beginning in about 70 AD when He used the Roman army to punish and scatter the remnant of His Israel(the Jewish subset) out of the land. That Law continues to this day but because the land is no more as God of Isreal would have it, it cannot be implemented or abided by by anyone or group of peoples.

Fortunately, the same Jesus Christ who came to fulfill the Old Law of Moses, the Last Prophet sent by the God of Israel to His people, brought the new agreement/Law which God made with His people through the line of David. That new agreement or Law is for a Kingdom that is not of this world and is equally eternal. That is the Law that those of the House of Jacob are expected to commit themselves to as a path to redemption from their wickedness and refusal to obey God's Old Law while they had the chance to.

Kobojunkie:
God never changed His Mind. The Law of Moses remains, even to this very day, the National Constitution of God's Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan. It is an Eternal Covenant meaning the Law never changes and hence God never changes His Mind.

2. Again, God's Law is Eternal — Unchanging!

3. Running from what Law? The same God who created the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan over which He then placed His Law is the same who destroyed the Nation, scattering the people out of it beginning in 720 AD when He used the Assyrian Army to decimate the nation of Israel, and then beginning in about 70 AD when He used the Roman army to punish and scatter the remnant of His Israel(the Jewish subset) out of the land. That Law continues to this day but because the land is no more as God of Isreal would have it, it cannot be implemented or abided by by anyone or group of peoples.

Fortunately, the same Jesus Christ who came to fulfill the Old Law of Moses, the Last Prophet sent by the God of Israel to His people, brought the new agreement/Law which God made with His people through the line of David. That new agreement or Law is for a Kingdom that is not of this world and is equally eternal. That is the Law that those of the House of Jacob are expected to commit themselves to as a path to redemption from their wickedness and refusal to obey God's Old Law while they had the chance to.

You no be Christian na so you no dey among them wet dey run!

AbuTwins:
■ You no be Christian na so you no dey among them wet dey run!

Yes, I am absolutely not a religionist in any sense of the Word as I live only by the Law of God. Run from what exactly? Make your point clear!

I am not getting what all of you are saying, so it's better that I have forgotten... I may have forgotten, yes; I am forgetting...

FxMasterz:


Jesus came to fulfil the law. The Bible says Love is the fulfillment of the law:

"Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law." Romans 13:10.

Jesus summarized all the law into the Royal LAW; to love God with all one's heart, and do love one's neighbors as oneself.

Those are the two laws Jesus brought, and He said:

"On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." Mathew 22:40.

When you walk in love, you can't break any law. That's why Love is the fulfillment of all commandments. By introducing the law of Love, Jesus fulfilled the law.

Therefore, we are enjoined as follows:

"Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him." 1 John 4:7-21

Where's the love he fulfilled in the old testament?
Why are you like this?

If someone is to fulfill a law then the law should be from the old testament!

Show where Jesus was mentioned to fulfill any law related to love?

AbuTwins:
■ Where's the love he fulfilled in the old testament? Why are you like this? If someone is to fulfill a law then the law should be from the old testament! Show where Jesus was mentioned to fulfill any law related to love?

The Two greatest commandments which the Pharisees tested Jesus Christ on are found written as part of the Old Law of Moses, the Constitutional Law in God's very own Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan.

18 Forget about the wrong things people do to you. Don’t try to get even. Love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord. - Leviticus 19 vs 18

Please take time to read those books for yourself so you learn to argue less from a point of ignorance of the contents of the books.

AbuTwins:


Where's the love he fulfilled in the old testament?
Why are you like this?

If someone is to fulfill a law then the law should be from the old testament!

Show where Jesus was mentioned to fulfill any law related to love?

You see the reason why I can't discuss Bible doctrines with you?

The question you're asking has neither head nor tail because you obviously don't understand what Jesus meant when He said He had come to fulfil the law. Should I then start taking you to the fundamentals?

Go and research first. The term 'fulfilling the law' is very broad, and your question does not correlate to the matter at hand.

AbuTwins:

Where's the love he fulfilled in the old testament?
Why are you like this?
If someone is to fulfill a law then the law should be from the old testament!
Show where Jesus was mentioned to fulfill any law related to love?

Please go through all the laws having to do with the old testament and tell which law did Jesus break logically?

Well if you don't know that's what he meant by fulfilling the laws!

Kobojunkie:
The Two greatest commandments which the Pharisees tested Jesus Christ on are found written as part of the Old Law of Moses, the Constitutional Law in God's very own Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan.
Please take time to read those books for yourself so you learn to argue less from a point of ignorance of the contents of the books.

The question was how did the name "Jesus" fulfill any love law from the old testament?

Which question are you answering?

AbuTwins:
∆ The question was how did the name "Jesus" fulfill any love law from the old testament?
Which question are you answering?

Yet again, you ask your question from ignorance, it seems.

What do you understand it means for Jesus Christ to fulfill the Old Law of Moses?

FxMasterz:


You see the reason why I can't discuss Bible doctrines with you?

The question you're asking has neither head nor tail because you obviously don't understand what Jesus meant when He said He had come to fulfil the law. Should I then start taking you to the fundamentals?

Go and research first. The term 'fulfilling the law' is very broad, and your question does not correlate to the matter at hand.

Did you research anything from the Qur'an before you bring forth lies that Allah was Ba'al?

If you can't discuss biblical doctrines then the only things that remains is for you to lie about Islam to endorse Christianity.

Talk about the false trinity you can't!

Talk about the divinity of Christ you can't!

Talk about the how the holy spirit was made equal to the father! You can't!

The core Christian doctrines that are unfounded in the Bible and dubiously interpreted through eisegesis and debates in the first 500 years after Jesus!

MaxInDHouse:


Please go through all the laws having to do with the old testament and tell which law did Jesus break logically?

Well if you don't know that's what he meant by fulfilling the laws!

Which law names Jesus?

Which law was fulfilled with Jesus contextually?

AbuTwins:

Which law names Jesus?
Which law was fulfilled with Jesus contextually?

The question you should answer:
"Are you fulfilling the laws of your Allah today?"
If so you too can confidently say the same thing Jesus uttered in that sentence because that's why you're here trying to argue with the people practicing another religion ignoring the laws of your Allah. If all these people you're engaging are practicing what your Allah says surely you won't be here trying to argue over their faith.
That's what Jesus meant by fulfilling the law!

AbuTwins:

Did you research anything from the Qur'an before you bring forth lies that Allah was Ba'al?

Yes, I did. That's why I didn't ask you irrelevant questions.

[quote[If you can't discuss biblical doctrines then the only things that remains is for you to lie about Islam to endorse Christianity.

You're sounding really incoherent. You couldn't even point to a single lie I told. You have been unable to intelligently debunk any of the Islamic deceits I exposed.

Talk about the false trinity you can't!

If you want to know my stand about this issue, I have spoken on it extensively on this forum in the past. Go and read my discourse with fellow Christians on that. I have no business discussing Trinity with an unbeliever.

Talk about the divinity of Christ you can't!

You never even once raised any discussion along this line. Why are you lying?

Talk about the how the holy spirit was made equal to the father! You can't!

Why are you lying Abutwins? We never touched on any such topic as this!

The core Christian doctrines that are unfounded in the Bible and dubiously interpreted twhrough eisegesis and debates in the first 500 years after Jesus!

Every doctrine I hold dear in the scriptures are all biblical and scriptural sound. You think I would joke with my life holding on to lies and being loyal to a false prophet at the detriment of my soul as you do? If you don't value your eternity, I value mine. I know the consequences of falsehood and of serving the wrong God. I would never allow any false religion to drag my soul to hell. That's unlike you who would see the obvious lies and deception of your religion and yet hold on to it out of mere loyalty to a dead Mohammed.

FxMasterz:


You're sounding really incoherent. You couldn't even point to a single lie I told. You have been unable to intelligently debunk any of the Islamic deceits I exposed.

I sound really incoherent now!

The first lie is is your claim Allah is Ba'al. I showed you evidence that Allah is not Ba'al from the Qur'an. You and many other Christians share this same lie on the thread https://www.nairaland.com/8058628/valid-questions-expose-worlds-number
See attached!

If you want to know my stand about this issue, I have spoken on it extensively on this forum in the past. Go and read my discourse with fellow Christians on that. I have no business discussing Trinity with an unbeliever.

But a disbeliever in Islam has the right to claim that Islam was renamed as Baal? You have no business in that too if you can't talk about trinity. Is that not foolish bigotry and hypocrisy?

You never even once raised any discussion along this line. Why are you lying?

Check the background i wrote in the threads i tagged you. You don't read that's why you fail exams!

Why are you lying abutwins? We never touched on any such topic as this!

Same as above!

Every doctrine I hold dear in the scriptures are all biblical and scriptural sound. You think I would joke with my life holding on to lies and being loyal to a false prophet at the detriment of my soul as you do? If you don't value your eternity, I value mine. I know the consequences of falsehood and of serving the wrong God. I would never allow any false religion to drag my soul to hell. That's unlike you who would see the obvious lies and deception of your religion and yet hold on to it out of mere loyalty to a dead Mohammed.

The divinity of Jesus, the claim of trinity and the Godship of the Holy Spirit are all core doctrines of Christianity!
And you have said you won't discuss this with an unbeliever!

So what right do you have to discuss anything about Islam?
You soul is already on the way to hell!
Check your lies on that thread attached!

MaxInDHouse:

The question you should answer:
"Are you fulfilling the laws of your Allah today?"

Yes, I am!

If so you too can confidently say the same thing Jesus uttered in that sentence because that's why you're here trying to argue with the people practicing another religion ignoring the laws of your Allah. If all these people you're engaging are practicing what your Allah says surely you won't be here trying to argue over their faith.
That's what Jesus meant by fulfilling the law!

So Which law mentions Jesus?
Which law was fulfilled with Jesus contextually?

Kobojunkie:
Yet again, you ask your question from ignorance, it seems.

What do you understand it means for Jesus Christ to fulfill the Old Law of Moses?

You should explain what it means as I only understand English!

New Living Translation
“Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. Matthew 5:17

AbuTwins:
I sound really incoherent now! ]The first lie is is your claim Allah is Ba'al. I showed you evidence that Allah is not Ba'al from the Qur'an. You and many other Christians share this same lie on the thread https://www.nairaland.com/8058628/valid-questions-expose-worlds-number
See attached!

No, you didn't bring any evidence. You can't use the Quran to prove that Allah is not Baal. We don't expect the Quran to expose itself like that.

Allah is Baal, see attached screenshots again.

But a disbeliever in Islam has the right to claim that Islam was renamed as Baal? You have no business in that too if you can't talk about trinity. Is that not foolish bigotry and hypocrisy?

These are unrelated scenarios. I've discussed Bible with you extensively and have also quoted scriptures. You can't use my refusal to discuss Trinity with you as an unbalanced conclusion? Why do most Muslims behave like this? We're talking about how Baal workshop came to be known as Islam, you're comparing that to the doctrinal topic of trinity. How are they related? Haven't I discussed other Christian topics with you that are not doctrinal? Or is the history of Baal to Islam transition doctrinal?

Check the background i wrote in the threads i tagged you. You don't read that's why you fail exams!

I've answered all your questions except doctrinal questions.

The divinity of Jesus, the claim of trinity and the Godship of the Holy Spirit are all core doctrines of Christianity!
And you have said you won't discuss this with an unbeliever!

But you only asked me about the Trinity doctrine. Why did you lie that I refused to answer the other 2?

Listen, if you don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God, how would you understand the Trinity doctrine? I'll rather discuss the Sonship of Jesus with you than discuss the Trinity which far above your understanding. Someone who does not understand the Sonship of Christ wants to start dabbling into the Trinity of God. Is that not hilarious?

So what right do you have to discuss anything about Islam?
You soul is already on the way to hell!
Check your lies on that thread attached!

See, I'm already where I'm supposed to be eternally - in Christ. I'm not on my way to anywhere. I'm in Christ and would Forever be in Christ.

You should consider the lies and the deception you are clinging onto. If they didn't brainwash you, you would never have taken such a character as Mohammed for a prophet. The lies in the Quran are so obvious but indoctrination and brainwashing from childhood won't allow you see the lies.

Your Islam lied that Jesus didn't die, someone else died in His stead. If that's true, who was that someone who died in His stead? No answer!

Someone died in Christ's stead, yet the person has no grave.

Maybe you don't know that if Christ didn't die, then the whole plan of God's salvation is defeated. You don't seem to see that Islam was created by Satan to deny you of the benefits of Christ's death and His resurrection.

Your mohammed himself, while dying told you he doesn't know his own fate. You are inconsequential. You can never know who's on his way to hell. If Allah can cast people to hell, he'll never order unbelievers to be killed!

The true God waits long for unbelievers to come to Him until they die. Afterwards, He'll cast them to hell. He doesn't kill them when they still have long years to live and a lot of opportunities to repent. But Satan, Allah orders unbelievers to be killed because he has no power to cast anyone to hell.

[quote author=FxMasterz post=129481817][/quote]

You can't even type well so one can respond to you adequately!


Fix your typos!

No, you didn't bring any evidence. You can't use the Quran to prove that Allah is not Baal. We don't expect the Quran to expose itself like that.

Allah is Baal, see attached screenshots again.

I can't use the Qur'an but you can use the Bible right?
What's the color and shape of your foolishness bro?