FatherCHRISTMAS:

∆ Yes he is

Be sure to write your own dictionary to include this new definition of yours for a word which does not have the kind of meaning you have conveniently created for yourself in this case. 😁😁😁😁😁😁

Kobojunkie:
Be sure to write your own dictionary to include this new definition of yours for a word which does not have the kind of meaning you have conveniently created for yourself in this case. 😁😁😁😁😁😁

So you mean God didn't create the devil?

FatherCHRISTMAS:
■ So you mean God didn't create the devil?

Stop derailing your own thread abeg! And pay attention!

Kobojunkie:
This is all untrue since the same most high never said, later in His Law, that He needed any tools in the hands of any man for Him to work wonder in and through His own.

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FatherCHRISTMAS:
Everything thing on earth is a manifestion of the divine being. That make it all a tool within a tool. Layers of tools

I asked you for over a page now what you meant by your comment above, and now I know that you simply literally translated the fact that He created everything to mean that everything on earth is a manifestation of the divine being.

This further goes to prove wrong the claim you made in your OP though. If everything is a tool... even the man himself is a tool, then where does your claim that God requires a man to have a tool in hand before he can do anything come from? Again, everything is a tool!

FatherCHRISTMAS:
■ So you mean God didn't create the devil?

Also, contact the dictionary people to add your own particular definition of this word into the list...

man·i·fes·ta·tion

▶ an event, action, or object that clearly shows or embodies something, especially a theory or an abstract idea.
▶ the action or fact of showing an abstract idea.
▶ a symptom or sign of an ailment.
▶ a version or incarnation of something or someone.
▶ an appearance of a ghost or spirit.

Kobojunkie:
Stop derailing your own thread abeg! And pay attention! ... I asked you for over a page now what you meant by your comment above, and now I know that you simply literally translated the fact that He created everything to mean that everything on earth is a manifestation of the divine being.

So answering your question means I'm derailing?

FatherCHRISTMAS:
■ So answering your question means I'm derailing?

LOL.... I didn't ask you whether God created the devil or not. So how does asking whether I believe that or not constitute answering my question?

Kobojunkie:
This further goes to prove wrong the claim you made in your OP though. If everything is a tool... even the man himself is a tool, then where does your claim that God requires a man to have a tool in hand before he can do anything come from? Again, everything is a tool!

I see you are stylish trying to run away from your flawed "chicken" question which I have answered to enlighten you.

Don't limit your thinking. He is a divine being that manifest in what humans consider a miracle. You yourself, Kobojunkie, is a tool. That's why you are able to raise questions so others can learn

Kobojunkie:
LOL.... I didn't ask you whether God created the devil or not. So how does asking whether I believe that or not constitute answering my question?

Are you going to deny your own subjections now? E don reach that level? 😂😂

FatherCHRISTMAS:
■ I see you are stylish trying to run away from your flawed "chicken" question which I have answered to enlighten you.
■ Don't limit your thinking. He is a divine being that manifest in what humans consider a miracle. You yourself, Kobojunkie, is a tool. That's why you are able to raise questions so others can learn

1. Flawed Chicken question? I asked you a simple question to ascertain the meaning of a claim that you made... Everything is a manifestation of the divine... a claim which turned out was not only unscriptural but also born of your own ideas of the meaning of the word manifestation. How is the question to blame for that?

2. My thinking isn't the problem here. Rather, it is the many religious claims you religious folks like to believe that is. The problem is in the end you get yourselves tangled up in wards of confusion by these many soundbites that even the dictionary cannot with. So, it isn't just everything that is created that is a manifestation of the divine but even miracles are a manifestation of the divine including all chaos as well? How is this any different from Buddhism or something along those lines?

FatherCHRISTMAS:
■ Are you going to deny your own subjections now? E don reach that level? 😂😂

I never asked you whether God created Satan or not since I never used those exact words. I instead asked you if Satan is equally a manifestation of the divine. Clearly, I do not buy into your religiously tailored definition of the word manifestation.

When you clearly consider the meaning of the word manifestation, you will find that ....

man·i·fes·ta·tion

▶ an event, action, or object that clearly shows or embodies something, especially a theory or an abstract idea.
▶ the action or fact of showing an abstract idea.
▶ a symptom or sign of an ailment.
▶ a version or incarnation of something or someone.
▶ an appearance of a ghost or spirit.

God created Satan IS NOT Satan is a manifestation of God.

Kobojunkie:
I at .... God created Satan IS NOT Satan is a manifestation of God.

You are confusing yourself.

FatherCHRISTMAS:
■ You are confusing yourself.

Your particular confusion is not mine at all!

Kobojunkie:
1. Flawed Chicken question? I asked you a simple question to ascertain the meaning of a claim that you made... Everything is a manifestation of the divine... a claim which turned out was not only unscriptural but also born of your own ideas of the meaning of the word manifestation. How is the question to blame for that?

2. My thinking isn't the problem here. Rather, it is the many religious claims you religious folks like to believe that is. The problem is in the end you get yourselves tangled up in wards of confusion by these many soundbites that even the dictionary cannot with. So, it isn't just everything that is created that is a manifestation of the divine but even miracles are a manifestation of the divine including all chaos as well? How is this any different from Buddhism or something along those lines?

OK quick one... Do you believe in God.? Which of this two did create first? the chicken or the egg that first

FatherCHRISTMAS:
■ OK quick one... Do you believe in God.? Which of this two did create first? the chicken or the egg that first

Don't worry about what I believe. Worry instead about whether or not these claims of yours align with Scripture or not. God created everything(including chicken and egg) is a statement that aligns with Scripture.

Kobojunkie:
Don't worry about what I believe. Worry instead about whether or not these claims of yours align with Scripture or not. God created everything(including chicken and egg) is a statement that aligns with Scripture.

Good! This worked like it wanted It to
so let's assume Kobojunkie is God, if you created the chicken, isn't the chicken your ideas and creation?
If it's your creation, doesn't that mean you are manifesting your ideas and creation in the form of a chicken?

FatherCHRISTMAS:
■ Good! This worked like it wanted It to
so let's assume Kobojunkie is God, if you created the chicken, isn't the chicken your ideas and creation?
If it's your creation, doesn't that mean you are manifesting your ideas and creation in the form of a chicken?

Nope! Because the idea/action/thought may instead be a manifestation of a temporary delusion of mine, and nothing more. I would never conclude that my mistakes and regrets are a manifestation of my being.

Kobojunkie:
Nope! Because the idea/action/thought may instead be a manifestation of a temporary delusion of mine, and nothing more. I would never conclude that my mistakes and regrets are a manifestation of my being.

If you can imagine it, it can be conceived. So it's not as if the idea/action/thought aren't coming from you. Or where is it coming from?

So what I am saying in essence is, all things are the manifestation of the supreme being

FatherCHRISTMAS:
■If you can imagine it, it can be conceived. So it's not as if the idea/action/thought aren't coming from you. Or where is it coming from?

I don't bite down on meaningless motivational speech! Ideas/actions/thoughts that come from a temporary delusion cannot be considered to be of me. it is instead of the delusion!

Kobojunkie:
I don't bite down on meaningless motivational speech! Ideas/actions/thoughts that come from a temporary delusion cannot be considered to be of me. it is instead of the delusion!

Its good you admitted "delusions".

There is a divine pattern which obviously manifests in all creation

FatherCHRISTMAS:
■ Its good you admitted "delusions"

Of course, the delusion is a temporary circumstance that has nothing to do with me so to suggest that that which it manifests is me is ridiculous!

Kobojunkie:
Of course, the delusion is a temporary circumstance that has nothing to do with me so to suggest that that which it manifests is me is ridiculous!

Haahah ok