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Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by aljharem3: 8:47pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
stillwater: Nope Lace has been a Nigerian thing before it is been mass produced in Europe. The first set of people to develop clothing are the Nupes which was introduced to hausa, Yoruba, bini, and igala Lace was also a form of aso oke which is not original yoruba but Nupe. http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=5_G3r3ANaZMC&pg=PA174&dq=clothing+yoruba&hl=en&ei=NrDKTvKZB8PL8QOYqoR5&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=clothing%20yoruba&f=false It was in until the 1970s that Lace the design started getting imported from europe because the production of cloths using the old conversional method took weeks to weave alone. Here is the cloth gele [img]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSb2TzY2c-fw2q-_CAkL19toeAgxHKar5vk3D68IrhbbybeB9Pd[/img] Here is the paper one you were talking about. Acutally made from synethic material such as Nylon [img]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSavT47b1yIr1iFBbA6B5cqNmKdO15iL7rCfhWjTUT-EpwNPe4cRw[/img] Here is aso Oke which can be sworn to be gele or buba. It is still the same material [img]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRG7xfrzq0q1xs3QViy5-K22vfCMvjrdAAt7Ztst_XKNuCwmRk_[/img] Also called shine-shine aso oke aka the nylon or paper gele you were talking about |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by aljharem3: 9:05pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
stillwater: Very wrong madam, the so called wrapper by the south-south or Igbos were introduced by the binis through the Nupes and Igalas in the 18th century People back then in the region use to wear leaves or maximum animal skins. Today not everyone uses the paper-textured head gear. In fact the paper texture head gear are the imported ones gotten from the yoruba people but modified because Head gears is hard to make and uses alot of cotton. The paper is a cheaper way of making head gear. Do you even know that it was also introduced to the ashanti by the hausa and yorubas in the 17-18 century http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MhOJheUc4pkC&pg=PA184&dq=gele+headgear&hl=en&ei=S6zKTqW1HYTq8QPS9NG5Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=gele%20headgear&f=false Per conlonial Nigeria before Igbo yoruba and kanuri knew each other this was kanuri/ northern dressing in the 14 century [img]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSjtxYYqaLdpChDtjPQIPlx4d6PXbluYKibbRFM2HCdtaWIWZFu[/img] This was the benin in the 16 th century or so [img]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTW49lCacjSWifIYSNHDblN58nS4C6bowwsYx_L59GFCv02dgC4[/img] Queen Amina head gear back in the 12th century [img]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSZX3M024kN4RC2DZ8w8yh_kgpB4ku5wobkf5Un6zlT6_m08X_zpQ[/img] |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by aljharem3: 9:18pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
Here another ORIGNIAL GELE before the cheaper synthetic although better gele was imported from austria, china etc [img]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQc6b_86_j63LYoIhW5V3R_LTFhjIWI3fVs6vLf_buLnEa3FLdg[/img] |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by aljharem3: 9:24pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
igbo women during aba riot wearing aso oko AFTER THE AMAGAMTION OF Nigeria. LOve the women [img]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7UjLxKfl-oAAbwbP9ZV6Hx5lbqnwV34FxRYVy2w4ZtnIAbAiRfA[/img] Before this, most igbo clans were nake or used leaves, I ma sure you watch nollywood as well |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by Nobody: 9:31pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
@Ileke-IdI The closeness of Itsekiri does not interfere with the mixture of culture and cultural adoptation of Yorubas by other regions. PS: I'd say Binis are closer than Itsekiris. Ok, thanks for clearing that. I initially thought you meant language wise. |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by tpia5: 9:54pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
Al harem you've started again. Can you explain this lie of yours about nupe introducing clothing maybe to your own tribe (not yoruba). There are multiple threads running concurrently rght now discussing yoruba history and anyone can see clothes on the 10th century sculptures. Please let go of this your jealousy and in any case just stick to kanuri matters like i told you before. If you must lie, why not lie intelligently instead of following all these nl liers who lie like ill bred goats. |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by AndreUweh(m): 10:23pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
alj_harem:I call upon Amadioha, Ala Ogbaga, ajana, arusi Isinweke, Agbara nsu, oti mma nkwu and all the messengers of eastern Nigeria to turn your brains to foolishness. |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by aljharem3: 10:39pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
Andre Uweh: LOL what did I do wrong you can correct me if I am wrong, that is what a forum is for. I though you said you were a Christian, why calling all those deities eh andre, well You know who protects me. Allah/ God and if you don't retract that statement, I can further explain |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by Martmore: 10:44pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
Cha cha cha igbo kwenu, why is it dat akpata oyi catches some people when dey hear or feel d presence of igbos.Some even open their mouth talk say when dem dey wear cloth, igbo people dey waka naked for forest,hmm.I wan make una find way read "the interesting narrative of the life of olaudah equiano" , an igbo slave that was sold to the caribean and the first black man to publish a book.In his book, if narrated how the women weaved cloths from cotton and even dyed them plus other interesting facts of how the igbos lived during the 18th century.ehee , lets i forget e be like say some people never hear of the akwete cloth woven by the ndoki and asa people as far back as the 19th century. |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by aljharem3: 10:47pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
Martmore: I would advice you to take the adivce I gave andre uweh If you do not know the history of cloth making in Nigeria, JUST KEEP SHUT OR RATHER CALL YOUR DIETIES LIKE ANDRE AND START YOU INCARNATIONS. |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by aljharem3: 10:48pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
Nwanne Andre, I am waiting. I don't understand how uncultured a man can be |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by AndreUweh(m): 10:52pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
alj_harem:Am sorry for unleashing this high messengers on you. No harm meant, and nothing will happen to you. Just to shake you a little bit about what you said about Igbo women. Ndigbo interested in this thread will not be happy with what you wrote about the Igbo women earlier. You can see some of them have started complaining. Pleae be careful about what you say about Igbo people, who are also a part of your blood. Ndo. |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by odumchi: 10:53pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
Just to point out a few misconceptions. Cloth didnt necessarily enter Nigeria through colonialism. Cloth has been in Igboland for thousands of years. However this type of cloth was not patterned and was usually white or tan. In this time, cloth was used in covering adloscent private parts. For example, adolescent girls would wear a cloth wrapper around their waist in addition to beads. In this time period, only dignified women (queens, princesses etc.) would cover their bosoms with cloth. However, multicoloured cloth actually appeared in the 1600s. By this time, those who were wealthy enough to afford it wore multicoloured cloth and those who couldnt resorted to ordinary cloth or animal hide. In the 1700s, different types of coloured cloth were already well established. Some communities in South eastern Nigeria even produced and distributed their own types of coloured cloth. By the early 1900s, we see the formation of the type of traditional clothes now recognized as Igbo. It was in the early 1900s that Igbo women started wearing head-ties aka "aku isi" and a second wrapper andd Igbo men began wearing Isiagu and other articles of clothing. So in short, the rumour that Igbo people, or another South Eastern people for that matter, were Unclad prior to 1900 isnt true. The attire shown in this photo is dated to around the 1800s.
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Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by aljharem3: 10:59pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
Andre Uweh: Thank you brother, Apologises accepted I am not trying to downgrade Ndi igbo here. I have left tribalism, you need to know that I was trying to explain how clothing happened and you started insulting me. I am hurt nwanne/brother You my friend andre, i mean shocked as well it is alright brother. Should I show you some of the articules I got from the precolonial era thing so you can see that I am not lying. Is ndi igbo not better than those that had clothes then ? So don't worry this is just history we are talking about Ofcourse today in Nigeria, Ndi igbo women have the most flamboyant and colourful dress sense which I AND CHYZ agreed to. |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by tpia5: 11:03pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
I was trying to explain how clothing happened and you are? how can you explain what you're ignorant about? typical nl!!! |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by aljharem3: 11:06pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
odumchi: Yes correct sir odumchi: No sir, even clothing did not enter Nigeria for thousands of YEARS. The off white unpattern cloth was started by nupe people which was about 900 years ago to a 1000 years. this was passed to the yorubas then passed to the bini then igbos which happened of resent odumchi: The pciture is from a Nolly wood movie. I can show you pictures from 18th centruy people. Moreover, there are records I can show you as well but I don't want to hurt anyones feelings |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by Nobody: 11:11pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
alj_harem: Maybe that was in the past, the lace the OP posted in the first page is from Europe o. That's the lace I'm talking about. The paper-textured gele was an Igbo or South/south thing. . .and those are imported too from Asia o. This is the paper/nylon gele I'm talking. What do they call them anyway? [img]http://3.bp..com/-ERIHla7jXjE/Tkw23rbkjRI/AAAAAAAAAD8/g7HbLy7EWCQ/s1600/gele-photoshoot-behind-the-scenes32.jpg [/img] You were more likely to see that on an South Eastern or South south person in the 80's with George material. Nowadays everyone wears george, lace, aso-oke etc. Only that we don't sew it in the stereotypical style of double wrapper, lace top and puffy sleeves. The only thing Yoruba can claim is aso oke and adire. I looked at your link, where does it talk about the paper-gele? |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by aljharem3: 11:11pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
tpia@: Haba, Iya, e ma bi nu. Yes it was not the nupes but the yorubas, my mistake. I am not trying to down grade the yorubas either. Yoruba people found colour/ dye called adire for clothing. se e bi nu se mi mor |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by aljharem3: 11:14pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
stillwater: Nywanne. I love the way you came back. is paper headgear you are refering about the same as the nylon or synthetic headgear ? if so it is of a recent invertion from the original gele and made from nylon to reduce cost |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by tpia5: 11:16pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
al harem ^^just stay out of issues that dont concern you- is that too much to ask. if you must put mouth in things that are none of your business, then learn to speak respectfully and not like an ego addled ignoramus. got it now? and is there a particular reason why an old man like you cant discuss your native kanuri affairs but must ever stumble all over other people's own? |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by tpia5: 11:17pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
Here is the paper one you were talking about. Acutally made from synethic material such as Nylon do you see your life? have you never heard of damask before- if not then thank me for educating you. |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by odumchi: 11:21pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
Alj Harem, I don't need anything that you can possibly offer me. I've scanned through most of the information that you posted and most of it is nothing mere than fallacy. Anyway, just to add to my previous post, Akwete cloth and George cloth also originated in cloth-producing communities in South Eastern Nigeria. stillwater: You're right. |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by tpia5: 11:28pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
You were more likely to see that on an South Eastern or South south person in the 80's with George material. Nowadays everyone wears george, lace, aso-oke etc. Only that we don't sew it in the stereotypical style of double wrapper, lace top and puffy sleeves. the double wrapper is tied in central africa as well as southeastern/southsouthern nigeria. there's stronger central african influence in those areas [through the midwest as well], hence the shared attire. the central african influence in the southwest isnt as strong. |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by Nobody: 11:37pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
So is there a precise answer to my gele question? |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by odumchi: 11:43pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
What did you ask? |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by Nobody: 11:46pm On Nov 21, 2011 |
odumchi: question on the previous 2 pages. |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by ezeagu(m): 12:04am On Nov 22, 2011 |
Everybody wants the Igbo peoples attention. Even those ran through by Arabs. |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by NRIPRIEST(m): 12:14am On Nov 22, 2011 |
From the comments am reading here its sounded like someone is saying the Igbos didnt have weaving industry just like the other nigerian groups had in the 18th and 19th centuries!! How about the famous akwete cloth in Igbo land ?? |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by ezeagu(m): 12:18am On Nov 22, 2011 |
NRI PRIEST: Do you need to dignify such nonsense? When Eastern Nigeria was the only place with a sort of indigenous writing? |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by Ameshiful2: 12:43am On Nov 22, 2011 |
@ Stillwater, if you were asking for the name of headscarf in Igbo, its called Ichafu |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by NRIPRIEST(m): 12:53am On Nov 22, 2011 |
Ezeagu, nwanne odikwa egwu !! Some guy here even said Igbos are the "MOST UNIMAGINATIVE" group in Nigeria !! Can you imagine somebody saying such about people who invented their own days of the week, invented 13 lunar months of the year and named them(just like the romans have jan to dec),invented their own writing pattern!! If such people are not imaginative I wonder whats else |
Re: Yoruba, Igbo And Acculturation (or Multiculture) by noiseless: 1:02am On Nov 22, 2011 |
TUFIAKWA!AND GOD FORBID THAT GREEN SNAKE IN GREEN GRASS AKA ALHJ_HARAM,I REJECT THAT AGAIN AND AGAIN COS IT WILL NEVER BE CASE AND GOD WILL CONTINUE PUNISHING HIM HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE FOR HIS HATES BOTH IN THE HIDEN AND IN THE OPEN. TUFIAKWA AS MANY TIMES AS HIS HATES AND PLOTS. Andre Uweh: |
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