i do design and i have no problems with delivering after being paid 75% upfront
i think it is a mentality thing

turmacs:
Lolzz. Once money don enter their hand like this, they will not be motivated to do the job well again. This is how some people end up with leaking POP when it rains, e.t.c.

When you talk about leakage, POP or any other ceiling material at all should not be mentioned because they are 'innocent'. You should rather be talking about the roof covering.

turmacs:
Lolzz. Once money don enter their hand like this, they will not be motivated to do the job well again. This is how some people end up with leaking POP when it rains, e.t.c.

Na POP dey cover rainfall?

DataCrab:
This is why you should never pay your workers their money in advance. Only pay after a well done job.

That's for irresponsible and indiscipline ones....Your performance in one work announces you, determines if you will get the next one

MrJames007:
Na POP dey cover rainfall?

Oboy, de thing tire me. And you'll see a lot of people liking such posts. E de pain to see ignorant people (no be insult) blaming and proffering solutions to things they know little or nothing about.

vibbb:
One disgusting habit about most artisans. If you pay them 100% before job completion, WAHALA - If you didn't pay them 100% before they start the Job, TROUBLE.

Your analysis on this type of workers is perfect here but Not for others e g Banks.
Some Banks pay 3- years Wardrobe and Furniture Allowances together but it makes their Staff more committed to work harder and in fact more productivity for the Banks Management involved!

alizma:
The moment you tell me you paid in full before the work commences, I become careful when it comes to trusting you with valuable things. This is not because you are bad but because you still lack significant knowledge of what real life is all about. This is not the time to become emotional, this is money we are talking about and in real life, no single individual will tell you that he likes working for working sake. People work basically in exchange for something in view and once that thing (money or commodity) is no longer in view, working becomes a kind of punishment or even consider a kind of 21st century slavery
.

Some werey will start talking about passion...

If the passion can't pay the bills, man pikin go begin ask if e sure say no be crase dey worry am to continue...

Reality and it's demands sef...

Smh

Not all artisans are like that. There are some good ones among them while some are heartless. I was a victim of the latter.

Throwback:
I have suffered this regret many times.

Humans are the same in every part of the world, just that some parts have a good legal system to keep humans in check.

Judge Judy dey like dis type of case

NeckingNgulping:


When the worker stupidly fails to fulfill his own part of the deal/ agreement, only then will the job owner look stupid.

I understand your perspective, though.

One thing I have understand about life is, never allow someone else to decide who you are. So waiting for the worker to do the job and make you a wise man or fail to make you stupid is a clear violation of that which I said I have known about life.

A negative believe. There's a negative results I will get in some instances for not paying for a service u want in advance. What if the fellow would have done a perfect job if his charges was fully paid but since it wasn't he has to manage with what is available and then u will pay!?

In everything there's the good and the bad part effect....

The idiot that was my wedding MC was paid in full before the Dday. This idiot showed up an hour and a half late for the reception with the most stupid excuse, this fool told me he thought there would be African time, I was so livid. It took my family members to intercede on his behalf. All my guests had eaten before he arrived, very stupid fellow. I thought I was doing myself a favour by settling the necessary bills to make things easier, not knowing I was setting myself up to be fooled by this nonentity.

Offpoint1:
Not with me. If a client pays in full, I feel indebted, and the job becomes top priority.

same goes for me...

The thing go be like do or die affair

One of the reasons I stopped sowing for people back then. You would have spent money finish before cloth ready, he go come be like suffering

One carpenter is showing me shege at the moment. Made a mistake of paying him upfront . He has not finished the job. I am just pissed off.

alizma:

One thing I have understand about life is, never allow someone else to decide who you are. So waiting for the worker to do the job and make you a wise man or fail to make you stupid is a clear violation of that which I said I have known about life.

I get it. What you have known about life is a fact.

zedman1:
Oboy, de thing tire me. And you'll see a lot of people liking such posts. E de pain to see ignorant people (no be insult) blaming and proffering solutions to things they know little or nothing about.

Na ignorance sha

Because I am involved......

I think this should not be an issue provided you have got the assurance of prompt service delivery from the Artisan(based on pedigree) even though you are not expected to pay all(at least 85% of the total cost should be okay depending on the terms of negotiations)

I made same mistake and I have learnt my lesson.. I made this young man over 3 years ago and i told him about my plan of developing my second home, 5 rooms ensuite... He has been pestering me to start start start but I still insist I must be there before I start anything, I came back last year meet this motherfucker but due to limited timing I didn't start... Last 2 months he's on my neck to start , I told him.... We are already In rainy season let's wait till November that am not in hurry but he keeps gingering me until I said ok, oya I will pay u from foundation to deck leveling... You bring Ur worker I bring materials. He charged me 2.5m which we later agreed to 2m but with condition I will pay after completion of each stages, he refused I must pay him at least half of the money , since I paid this guy the only time he visited that side is when they are marking the land for foundation, and when they are forming foundation block.... He disappeared, only on phone he gives order.... They work today and in next few days they will not work,..... Out of 110 bags I bought 11 have kicked, the foreman handling the job has abandoned the work because he's owning labourers and not even paying anyone and when I asked him he will say he will pay them when they finish, for over 7 weeks now they are still in foundation levels, everyday am calling , threating , shouting , I'm losing it because i never expect it this way being young guy for that matter..... Am thinking of abandoning this project because its giving me hard time.. even the culvert he do for me with 500k has collapsed and when I told him he started laughing and said we will do another one ....

Na pop them day take roof house Day calm down bros

turmacs:
Lolzz. Once money don enter their hand like this, they will not be motivated to do the job well again. This is how some people end up with leaking POP when it rains, e.t.c.

This headline is misleading to say the least. The body of the post seems to talk about skilled workers but the headline generalizes it. Let's be guided.

DataCrab:
This is why you should never pay your workers their money in advance. Only pay after a well done job.

DataCrab:
This is why you should never pay your workers their money in advance. Only pay after a well done job.

Its international best practice to pay "advance"
Which is essentially part payment for the job and is not a wrong practice

Different from "paying fully for the service in advance"

correctguy101:


Some werey will start talking about passion...

If the passion can't pay the bills, man pikin go begin ask if e sure say no be crase dey worry am to continue...

Reality and it's demands sef...

Smh

Everybody dey find money , not work
If na work, you can simply stay in your house , dig a hole and when you are done fill it up again and repeat it again everyday

tiswell:
Pay your workers,they aren't slaves.


Once a Nigerian gets small upgrade,as in boss or employer,dey tend to feel like demigods

This is not the issue under discussion here

I'm sure you haven't employed anyone to work for you before; that's why you don't understand.

pragmatistm:
I can't agree less especially the building works

Exactly. In most cases, it ends at the police station.

Toluwalase12345:
That shouldn't stop one to pay in full if the full money is in the account. It also reduce stress and headache for the one that own the job.

It's not true,please

Paying in full, especially to a Nigerian worker/artisan, will cause you more stress and headaches

It'll end up as a regrettable venture.

alizma:
The moment you tell me you paid in full before the work commences, I become careful when it comes to trusting you with valuable things. This is not because you are bad but because you still lack significant knowledge of what real life is all about. This is not the time to become emotional, this is money we are talking about and in real life, no single individual will tell you that he likes working for working sake. People work basically in exchange for something in view and once that thing (money or commodity) is no longer in view, working becomes a kind of punishment or even consider a kind of 21st century slavery.

I completely agree with you

ChybuzzDD:


This is not the issue under discussion here

I'm sure you haven't employed anyone to work for you before; that's why you don't understand.

rest baba,you aren't sure of what you said.

Redman44:
One carpenter is showing me shege at the moment. Made a mistake of paying him upfront . He has not finished the job. I am just pissed off.

Welcome to the 'experience'.

ELKHALIFAISIS:
I made same mistake and I have learnt my lesson.. I made this young man over 3 years ago and i told him about my plan of developing my second home, 5 rooms ensuite... He has been pestering me to start start start but I still insist I must be there before I start anything, I came back last year meet this motherfucker but due to limited timing I didn't start... Last 2 months he's on my neck to start , I told him.... We are already In rainy season let's wait till November that am not in hurry but he keeps gingering me until I said ok, oya I will pay u from foundation to deck leveling... You bring Ur worker I bring materials. He charged me 2.5m which we later agreed to 2m but with condition I will pay after completion of each stages, he refused I must pay him at least half of the money , since I paid this guy the only time he visited that side is when they are marking the land for foundation, and when they are forming foundation block.... He disappeared, only on phone he gives order.... They work today and in next few days they will not work,..... Out of 110 bags I bought 11 have kicked, the foreman handling the job has abandoned the work because he's owning labourers and not even paying anyone and when I asked him he will say he will pay them when they finish, for over 7 weeks now they are still in foundation levels, everyday am calling , threating , shouting , I'm losing it because i never expect it this way being young guy for that matter..... Am thinking of abandoning this project because its giving me hard time.. even the culvert he do for me with 500k has collapsed and when I told him he started laughing and said we will do another one ....

If you're not in Nigeria, never engage and pay a Nigerian worker directly
I learnt that during my first project
Best way is to go through a reliable relative or friend who's very close to you.
This person will bear the responsibility of selecting the worker(s), monitoring and paying them.
That means you will be paying through him.
If you don't have such a person, don't bother starting anything until you're fully available.
Once an average Nigerian worker knows you're not within the country to monitor or chase him/her around, it's over, bro.

I would say, while this is true to an extent, it's more of an individual trait than a stereotype.

I take myself for an example. I have a principle of not touching one Kobo from the money for a job/contract until the work is COMPLETED. So until we've shook hands on a job well done and client is satisfied, even my profit won't be touched.

Once again, this is an individual thing and not everybody is unethical in business