eph12:

I think I agree with spy. They're both in the same league right now so it shouldn't be difficult to determine who is better.

It shouldn't be difficult to determine the better coach

Everyone knows Pep is better..

TRendlona:


It shouldn't be difficult to determine the better coach

Everyone knows Pep is better..

Oga... if both clubs exchange managers... who would be the most likely to lift the league...?!!! as we can now see that Pep can't coach to save his soul...

When you have messi,iniesta,ribbery & robben and some Grade A players, football fans will think you are soo spectacular...

Pep in his first season at both barca and Bayern was leading the league at this stage with 12 points, but in England here, he was made to look like a Roberto mancini.

Even wenger with his so called average team,(excluding Ozil's,Sanchez, kosc,coq and santi) is rubing shoulders with his world class expensive squad..

In all honesty, pep is good but not a genius, I'll rather salute and praise Simeone, klopp,pochentinho and few orthers.

Reports say Arsenal have concluded a deal to sign Mahrez from Leicester, the battle for top four is real...

TRendlona:


This doesn't determine the better coach. We all know Pep is the better coach

You are biased already

Fkhalifa:
When you have messi,iniesta,ribbery & robben and some Grade A players, football fans will think you are soo spectacular...

Pep in his first season at both barca and Bayern was leading the league at this stage with 12 points, but in England here, he was made to look like a Roberto mancini.

Even wenger with his so called average team,(excluding Ozil's,Sanchez, kosc,coq and santi) is rubing shoulders with his world class expensive squad..

In all honesty, pep is good but not a genius, I'll rather salute and praise Simeone, klopp,pochentinho and few orthers.

Exactly my point.

I find it shocking why many fail to understand this.

Nigerians have low IQ.

This Spy360 sef

If Chelsea want to unsettle us by coming for Sanchez, Arsene should revenge with his £40,000,001 wicked bid for Costa.

Fkhalifa:
When you have messi,iniesta,ribbery & robben and some Grade A players, football fans will think you are soo spectacular...

Pep in his first season at both barca and Bayern was leading the league at this stage with 12 points, but in England here, he was made to look like a Roberto mancini.

Even wenger with his so called average team,(excluding Ozil's,Sanchez, kosc,coq and santi) is rubing shoulders with his world class expensive squad..

In all honesty, pep is good but not a genius, I'll rather salute and praise Simeone, klopp,pochentinho and few orthers.

All the players listed had gone seasons without winning nothing but sure they are grade A footballers. Ozil, Sanchez, Cech, Kos, Mustafi, Bellerin are grade B footballers because your genius is underutilizing them.

The stock-in-trade of pseudo-analysts is to throw names about in an argument then rubbish same names in another argument. I can see how well Simeone is doing this season or how well Klopp did his first season with LFC or his last with Dortmund. Ok remind me about the time Pochettino's Tottenham crashed out ignominiously in the UCL. What about the time they went unbeaten with a ton of draws? Or when they bottled a lead against CFC and did diddly squat against United in OT? How great is Koeman doing? Any better than Roberto Martinez at the same point? Has Koeman not thrashed AFC 4-0 when they were top of the league only last year? Hahahaha. Did Martinez not destroy Wenger 3-0 with less quality? So guess what? In your estimation are they not also better than Wenger?

iPopAlomo:



Oga... if both clubs exchange managers... who would be the most likely to lift the league...?!!! as we can now see that Pep can't coach to save his soul...

When City play AFC at emirates please I hope to engage you. Everyone seems to know the secret to beat City, so I am hoping Wenger comes all guns blazing to do exactly that. If he doesn't, he will be losing home and away to some average manager who just happens to know how to beat Wenger almost all the time.

Eruditor:


All the players listed had gone seasons without winning nothing but sure they are grade A footballers. Ozil, Sanchez, Cech, Kos, Mustafi, Bellerin are grade B footballers because your genius is underutilizing them.

The stock-in-trade of pseudo-analysts is to throw names about in an argument then rubbish same names in another argument. I can see how well Simeone is doing this season or how well Klopp did his first season with LFC or his last with Dortmund. Ok remind me about the time Pochettino's Tottenham crashed out ignominiously in the UCL. What about the time they went unbeaten with a ton of draws? Or when they bottled a lead against CFC and did diddly squat against United in OT? How great is Koeman doing? Any better than Roberto Martinez at the same point? Has Koeman not thrashed AFC 4-0 when they were top of the league only last year? Hahahaha. Did Martinez not destroy Wenger 3-0 with less quality? So guess what? In your estimation are they not also better than Wenger?

I do not mean that poch,Simeone, klopp etc are genius or best ever, I rated them personally from the materials and the financial strength of the club they manage,,,
Also I would rate them above this present Wenger,because to me he's past it, but the Wenger of the invincible era is a genius and deserved to be commended highly.

Those managers having few bad games, or a bad/average seasons still doesn't change the fact they did something worth praising, one can even easily infer that they will do well at barca,Bayern and Madrid, but can the same be said with your so called legend coach from those powerful club side.?

Fkhalifa:
I do not mean that poch,Simeone, klopp etc are genius or best ever, I rated them personally from the materials and the financial strength of the club they manage,,,
Also I would rate them above this present Wenger,because to me he's past it, but the Wenger of the invincible era is a genius and deserved to be commended highly.

Those managers having few bad games, or a bad/average seasons still doesn't change the fact they did something worth praising, one can even easily infer that they will do well at barca,Bayern and Madrid, but can the same be said with your so called legend coach from those powerful club side.?

Managers go through bad patches even within a season. It is the way the season ends that matters that's all I was saying. All those managers are good but one way or the other and at certain times their teams have faltered, Pep is no exception. It is CFCs form that has made the season effectively over and that's because their form has been incredible. In other seasons typically the first in the league would have had maybe even 45 points and those with 40-44 would have still stood a chance. But 10 or 12 points is a tall task to overcome. Not impossible though.

Soton vs Arsenal FA cup

Eruditor:


Managers go through bad patches even within a season. It is the way the season ends that matters that's all I was saying. All those managers are good but one way or the other and at certain times their teams have faltered, Pep is no exception. It is CFCs form that has made the season effectively over and that's because their form has been incredible. In other seasons typically the first in the league would have had maybe even 45 points and those with 40-44 would have still stood a chance. But 10 or 12 points is a tall task to overcome. Not impossible though.

I concur, just that pundits throughout the preseason were all tipping city& utd forgetting anyone could pull a liecester or one of the big guns may hit an incredible form like This Chelsea.

Eruditor:


All the players listed had gone seasons without winning nothing but sure they are grade A footballers. Ozil, Sanchez, Cech, Kos, Mustafi, Bellerin are grade B footballers because your genius is underutilizing them.

The stock-in-trade of pseudo-analysts is to throw names about in an argument then rubbish same names in another argument. I can see how well Simeone is doing this season or how well Klopp did his first season with LFC or his last with Dortmund. Ok remind me about the time Pochettino's Tottenham crashed out ignominiously in the UCL. What about the time they went unbeaten with a ton of draws? Or when they bottled a lead against CFC and did diddly squat against United in OT? How great is Koeman doing? Any better than Roberto Martinez at the same point? Has Koeman not thrashed AFC 4-0 when they were top of the league only last year? Hahahaha. Did Martinez not destroy Wenger 3-0 with less quality? So guess what? In your estimation are they not also better than Wenger?

Are you saying Pep is better than them?

What are you saying? Because you made a pointless remark.

The argument was based on what people like you said about Pep before the season started.

Lots like you claimed Pep was a genius who would swallow up the EPL in his first season.

It is that claim that we are refuting, not saying that anyone is better than him.

By the way, in terms of determining who is better, the final league table will tell us.

And just in case, just in case your Pep ends up somewhere outside top 4, don't come up with a useless flimsy excuse. Afterall he has got the best squad.

Spy360:

Are you saying Pep is better than them?

What are you saying? Because you made a pointless remark.

The argument was based on what people like you said about Pep before the season started.

Lots like you claimed Pep was a genius who would swallow up the EPL in his first season.

It is that claim that we are refuting, not saying that anyone is better than him.

By the way, in terms of determining who is better, the final league table will tell us.

And just in case, just in case your Pep ends up somewhere outside top 4, don't come up with a useless flimsy excuse. Afterall he has got the best squad.

I have engaged different people on this thread and to some degree each have their own positions and subtleties in ideas. Perhaps you are conflating who said what. I can give you an example, if you didn't say they were better someone else did. Also, find out my stance on what I felt Pep's first season will be or what his time in England will be like. In my opinion, he is the best manager in the world by some distance (if that's what you are asking me) and as a tactician, he is otherwordly - just ask players he has coached including Robben.

Your last statement already shows your escape route. If all goes well, claim he has the best squad in the league and needs to prove himself coaching Swansea. If all doesn't exactly go well, also claim he has the best squad in the league. Afterall, Zaba or Sagna is better than Bellerin, Stones and Ota better than Kos and Musti, Clichy and Kola better than Mon and Gibbs etc etc. Even the keepers, Bravo is better than Cech. While doing the comparisons..take note how far younger and less injured the city squad is. Your better manager who is currently sitting higher than Pep is averaging 28% possession against him in their history (and Just before you mention Bayern and Barca) I mean with City.

And don't forget, Wenger plays "possession football".
William James Sidis level IQ stuff I tell you.

Eruditor:


I have engaged different people on this thread and to some degree each have their own positions and subtleties in ideas. Perhaps you are conflating who said what. I can give you an example, if you didn't say they were better someone else did. Also, find out my stance on what I felt Pep's first season will be or what his time in England will be like. In my opinion, he is the best manager in the world by some distance (if that's what you are asking me) and as a tactician, he is otherwordly - just ask players he has coached including Robben.

Your last statement already shows your escape route. If all goes well, claim he has the best squad in the league and needs to prove himself coaching Swansea. If all doesn't exactly go well, also claim he has the best squad in the league. Afterall, Zaba or Sagna is better than Bellerin, Stones and Ota better than Kos and Musti, Clichy and Kola better than Mon and Gibbs etc etc. Even the keepers, Bravo is better than Cech. While doing the comparisons..take note how far younger and less injured the city squad is. Your better manager who is currently sitting higher than Pep is averaging 28% possession against him in their history (and Just before you mention Bayern and Barca) I mean with City.

And don't forget, Wenger plays "possession football".
William James Sidis level IQ stuff I tell you.

Interesting view.

But it was the same pundits who awarded him the best tactician even before he saw an English made football that also claimed he has the best squad to work with.

I mean, what difference has he made from Pelligrini?

You talk of Bravo and Stones? I can only laugh.

Joe Hart will judge you.

Or is it that Pep is the best manager with the best players? If he's now got putty players, so do others around him. Add that he is acclaimed best tactician, he ought to be doing better than being trashed by Everton.

Again, quit calling on Wenger because I NEVER mention him. This battle is not Pep vs Wenger, it is Pep (the hyped) vs Pep (the real).

The focus here is on Pep winning the EPL. Which is simple enough for 'our' low IQs.

Spy360:

Interesting view.

But it was the same pundits who awarded him the best tactician even before he saw an English made football that also claimed he has the best squad to work with.

I mean, what difference has he made from Pelligrini?

You talk of Bravo and Stones? I can only laugh.

Joe Hart will judge you.

Or is it that Pep is the best manager with the best players? If he's now got putty players, so do others around him. Add that he is acclaimed best tactician, he ought to be doing better than being trashed by Everton.

Again, quit calling on Wenger because I NEVER mention him. This battle is not Pep vs Wenger, it is Pep (the hyped) vs Pep (the real).

The focus here is on Pep winning the EPL. Which is simple enough for 'our' low IQs.

no bro... another escape route
u said his squad is better dan afc
so will u agree bravo is better dan cech
zaba nd sagna better dan bellerin etc
u know wat, u like excuses alot so dat arsenal can look like d underdogs where as day are d best, our coach is just failure
apart from dere attack cos of aguero nd kdg. we are far better dan shity.
but u and dat old fool will like d hiden part so we dont get d specialist in failure tag
pep is still better dan wengay for all i care... but hes a fraud

sod09:
no bro... another escape route
u said his squad is better dan afc
so will u agree bravo is better dan cech
zaba nd sagna better dan bellerin etc
u know wat, u like excuses alot so dat arsenal can look like d underdogs where as day are d best, our coach is just failure
apart from dere attack cos of aguero nd kdg. we are far better dan shity.
but u and dat old fool will like d hiden part so we dont get d specialist in failure tag
pep is still better dan wengay for all i care... but hes a fraud

Spy360 come and defend your "City has the best squad" claim

Keeper Cech vs Bravo or Cabalero
Right Back Sagna/Zab vs Bellerin
Central defence Kos/Mustafi vs Otamendi/Stones
Left Back Gibbs/Monreal vs Clichy Kolarov
DM Coq/Xhaka vs Fernandinho/Fernando
CM Cazorla/Ramsey vs Yaya/Gundogan

etc

sod09:
no bro... another escape route
u said his squad is better dan afc
so will u agree bravo is better dan cech
zaba nd sagna better dan bellerin etc
u know wat, u like excuses alot so dat arsenal can look like d underdogs where as day are d best, our coach is just failure
apart from dere attack cos of aguero nd kdg. we are far better dan shity.
but u and dat old fool will like d hiden part so we dont get d specialist in failure tag
pep is still better dan wengay for all i care... but hes a fraud

What is this one saying? So if a mad man come to tell you Arsenal squad is better than City you will accept?

Ndo.

raumdeuter:


Spy360 come and defend your "City has the best squad" claim

Keeper Cech vs Bravo or Cabalero
Right Back Sagna/Zab vs Bellerin
Central defence Kos/Mustafi vs Otamendi/Stones
Left Back Gibbs/Monreal vs Clichy Kolarov
DM Coq/Xhaka vs Fernandinho/Fernando
CM Cazorla/Ramsey vs Yaya/Gundogan

etc

If you will allow unbiased reasoning, that City squad has more individual quality than Arsenal and the rest of the top 6.

Bravo came from Barca and was meant to lecture other EPL goalies and ball playing. A bad tool is only bad when depending on the workman.

Stones, Otamendi etc were the next best thing after North Korean defensive nukes. Mustafi and Koscielny only look good in an Arsenal shirt.

Calculate what City midfield is worth - KDB, Silva, Fernandino, Fernando, Toure, Gundugan, Navas, Sane etc. These were la cream de la cream when they arrived City.

Our only enviable midfielders are Ozil and Sanchez. Some will say Cazorla, Xhaka, maybe Walcott don't even dare call Chamberlain or Coquelin- these are only good for Arsenal. (sod09 remember Schneiderlin/Le Coq comparison)

As for the attack, its a no brainer.

For me its even silly comparing City and Arsenal. When you could do better with United or Chelsea.

It's like saying Liverpool and Tottenham have better players just because they have Coutinho and Alli.

Get sense abeg.

Spy360:

If you will allow unbiased reasoning, that City squad has more individual quality than Arsenal and the rest of the top 6.

Bravo came from Barca and was meant to lecture other EPL goalies and ball playing. A bad tool is only bad when depending on the workman.

Stones, Otamendi etc were the next best thing after North Korean defensive nukes. Mustafi and Koscielny only look good in an Arsenal shirt.

Calculate what City midfield is worth - KDB, Silva, Fernandino, Fernando, Toure, Gundugan, Navas, Sane etc. These were la cream de la cream when they arrived City.

Our only enviable midfielders are Ozil and Sanchez. Some will say Cazorla, Xhaka, maybe Walcott don't even dare call Chamberlain or Coquelin- these are only good for Arsenal. (sod09 remember Schneiderlin/Le Coq comparison)

As for the attack, its a no brainer.

For me its even silly comparing City and Arsenal. When you could do better with United or Chelsea.

It's like saying Liverpool and Tottenham have better players just because they have Coutinho and Alli.

Get sense abeg.

Regardless of where Bravo came from Cech is a better keeper or is anyone from Barcelona automatically better than everyone elsewhere?
So if Coman comes from Bayern, He is automatically better than Alexis?

2. Bellerin is younger and better than City's right backs. Full backs do a lot of running, and bellerin is younger and more dynamic than any of Sagna and Zabaleta.

3. Gibbs and Monreal vs Clichy/Kolarov. Citys LB are old and cant compete

Otamendi and Stones are very poor compared to Koscielny and Mustafi. Infact I will pick Arsenals entire defence line + keeper over City

Midfield. The only genuine world class player on top of the game in City midfield is Debruyne. Silva is older, Same with Yaya. Fernandidnho and Fernando are not any different from Coq and Xhaka

I will pick Walcott as a winger ahead of any of Sane, Navas and Sterling

Infact if you combine both teams my 11 as at today will be

-----------------Cech
-Bellerin---Koscielny--Mustafi---Gibbs
------Fernandinho--Cazorla
--Walcott-----KDB------Sanchez
-------------Aguero

Tell me anyone you disgree with

Spy360:

If you will allow unbiased reasoning, that City squad has more individual quality than Arsenal and the rest of the top 6.

Bravo came from Barca and was meant to lecture other EPL goalies and ball playing. A bad tool is only bad when depending on the workman.

Stones, Otamendi etc were the next best thing after North Korean defensive nukes. Mustafi and Koscielny only look good in an Arsenal shirt.

Calculate what City midfield is worth - KDB, Silva, Fernandino, Fernando, Toure, Gundugan, Navas, Sane etc. These were la cream de la cream when they arrived City.

Our only enviable midfielders are Ozil and Sanchez. Some will say Cazorla, Xhaka, maybe Walcott don't even dare call Chamberlain or Coquelin- these are only good for Arsenal. (sod09 remember Schneiderlin/Le Coq comparison)

As for the attack, its a no brainer.

For me its even silly comparing City and Arsenal. When you could do better with United or Chelsea.

It's like saying Liverpool and Tottenham have better players just because they have Coutinho and Alli.

Get sense abeg.

Case close.... No comment again

elrony:


You mean "KokaneNobody"?

i tire oh.

Kokaine:
i tire oh.

Who da fck is u?

raumdeuter:


Regardless of where Bravo came from Cech is a better keeper or is anyone from Barcelona automatically better than everyone elsewhere?
So if Coman comes from Bayern, He is automatically better than Alexis?

2. Bellerin is younger and better than City's right backs. Full backs do a lot of running, and bellerin is younger and more dynamic than any of Sagna and Zabaleta.

3. Gibbs and Monreal vs Clichy/Kolarov. Citys LB are old and cant compete

Otamendi and Stones are very poor compared to Koscielny and Mustafi. Infact I will pick Arsenals entire defence line + keeper over City

Midfield. The only genuine world class player on top of the game in City midfield is Debruyne. Silva is older, Same with Yaya. Fernandidnho and Fernando are not any different from Coq and Xhaka

I will pick Walcott as a winger ahead of any of Sane, Navas and Sterling

Infact if you combine both teams my 11 as at today will be

-----------------Cech
-Bellerin---Koscielny--Mustafi---Gibbs
------Fernandinho--Cazorla
--Walcott-----KDB------Sanchez
-------------Aguero

Tell me anyone you disgree with

I will drop Mustafi, Gibbs, Cazorla and Walcott for Stones, Kolarov, Silva and Sterling/Nolito respectively.

......................... Cech
Bellerin .. Stones .. Kosc .. Kolarov
............... Fernandi .. Silva
Sterling .............. KDB ............. Sanchez
........................... Aguero



Some may argue about Cazorla, but he has never been better than Silva even in Spain NT.

And we have only considered the first team. There are other qualities on the bench.

Spy360:

I will drop Mustafi, Gibbs, Cazorla and Walcott for Stones, Kolarov, Silva and Sterling/Nolito respectively.

......................... Cech
Bellerin .. Stones .. Kosc .. Kolarov
............... Fernandi .. Silva
Sterling .............. KDB ............. Sanchez
........................... Aguero



Some may argue about Cazorla, but he has never been better than Silva even in Spain NT.

And we have only considered the first team. There are other qualities on the bench.

Bros. Chill out. Stones over Mustafi? Kolarov over Montreal? I can still accept Sterling over Walcott but the rest Na bullshit

Spy360:

I will drop Mustafi, Gibbs, Cazorla and Walcott for Stones, Kolarov, Silva and Sterling/Nolito respectively.

......................... Cech
Bellerin .. Stones .. Kosc .. Kolarov
............... Fernandi .. Silva
Sterling .............. KDB ............. Sanchez
........................... Aguero

Some may argue about Cazorla, but he has never been better than Silva even in Spain NT.

And we have only considered the first team. There are other qualities on the bench.

You will pick Stones over Mustafi, Kolarov over Monreal and even put Silva as your CM a position he has never played or doesnt even know how to play

Walcott is a more productive Winger than Sterling. Sterling can become anything in the future but I will pick Walcott at this point over him this season despite having been out Theo has 11 goals Sterling has about half

I am sure most of your Arsenal fans will disgree with you

kokaneprodigy:

Who da fck is u?

kokaine can't you see?

Hardetayour:



Bros. Chill out. Stones over Mustafi? Kolarov over Montreal? I can still accept Sterling over Walcott but the rest Na bullshit

If I say its Pep that makes them look bad, you people will attack me. So let me not say it.

raumdeuter:


You will pick Stones over Mustafi, Kolarov over Monreal and even put Silva as your CM a position he has never played or doesnt even know how to play

Walcott is a more productive Winger than Sterling. Sterling can become anything in the future but I will pick Walcott at this point over him this season despite having been out Theo has 11 goals Sterling has about half

I am sure most of your Arsenal fans will disgree with you

How was Stones before he joined City?

Silva can play that role, the one that initiates play from defence to attack. Modric does that sometimes too for Madrid. Other similar players are Fabregas, Iniesta etc.

raumdeuter:


You will pick Stones over Mustafi, Kolarov over Monreal and even put Silva as your CM a position he has never played or doesnt even know how to play

Walcott is a more productive Winger than Sterling. Sterling can become anything in the future but I will pick Walcott at this point over him this season despite having been out Theo has 11 goals Sterling has about half

I am sure most of your Arsenal fans will disgree with you

i just day look d guy