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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by ObaIgwe1: 5:12pm On Oct 09
Spy360:

While your views may be true, it doesn't hold much water.

Usmanov was a already an owner by being a board member. He was already part of the Ars nal ownership. Also he was the majority shareholder and was raking up shares of other smaller owners. He was being represented by a holding company with the revered David Dein in charge which should absolve him from any scandal related clause. He also had Moshiri as partner.

Even Abrahamovic has his issues with his relationship with Putin and how he made his billions from state wealth.

Usmanov like many people (I am just looking at Daniel Eck and Dangote) are all talk and no action just to gain some popularity.

I dislike Kroenke, but there's been no concrete move from anyone to take over the club from him.


It was all politics though. In fairness to Usmanov, he was really interested in taking over Arsenal, but many of the then big shareholders did not like him, after Usmanov got up to 30% and wanted a takeover, other main shareholders plotted him out by selling to Kroenke instead, which ended making Kroenke the biggest shareholder...even at that Usmanov refused to sell to Kroenke for another 6 years... prolly hoping Kroenke will give up or lose interest in Arsenal.

But like you, I don't want Usmanov, I don't want Kroenke or Er or Dangote.... I want an oil rich billionaire who wouldn't feel any sense of loss if few billions go down the drain for the love of a club he loves. I want an owner that will call the best players in the world and ask them to name their price to come and play for his club...Only Arabs making money from unending wells of oil can do that... I don't know any real businessman that will do that; neither Elon Musk nor Jeff Bezos will.

So give me a sugar daddy from an oil rich Arab nation, then I will campaign for him. cheesy
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Lush100(m): 5:29pm On Oct 09
ObaIgwe1:


It was all politics though. In fairness to Usmanov, he was really interested in taking over Arsenal, but many of the then big shareholders did not like him, after Usmanov got up to 30% and wanted a takeover, other main shareholders plotted him out by selling to Kroenke instead, which ended making Kroenke the biggest shareholder...even at that Usmanov refused to sell to Kroenke for another 6 years... prolly hoping Kroenke will give up or lose interest in Arsenal.

But like you, I don't want Usmanov, I don't want Kroenke or Er or Dangote.... I want an oil rich billionaire who wouldn't feel any sense of loss if few billions go down the drain for the love of a club he loves. I want an owner that will call the best players in the world and ask them to name their price to come and play for his club...Only Arabs making money from unending wells of oil can do that... I don't know any real businessman that will do that; neither Elon Musk nor Jeff Bezos will.

So give me a sugar daddy from an oil rich Arab nation, then I will campaign for him. cheesy
Your last sentence,. hmmm....u should not be a lady oh,
U go just dey commit all manners grin
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by afrodoc2: 6:03pm On Oct 09
Spy360:

The error you are making is taking Usmanov's comments as intents. Any body can declare interest in something but it's those who actually put money down can be regarded as serious.
Why would the board refuse to sell to Usmanov and sold to Kroenke instead? Infact it was a rule that whoever has a majority stake of over 30% can declare a take over.
While Usmanov was dragging feet, Kroenke swooped in. Kroenke showed more intents by putting down money. Being a fan for seven years is no excuse or right. He is just using the current situation to draw sympathy. He could even be worse than Kroenke, we can never tell.

I remember this episode quite well.

Danny Fiszman and Lady Bracewell-Smith did not like Usmanov personally and did refuse to sell to him. Those 2 were the ringleaders.

Some believe they were the ones that actually secretly went shopping for an acceptable billionaire I.e Kroenke in order to avoid having to sell to Usmanov who they felt wasn’t classy/upper class enough for them.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 6:38pm On Oct 09
ObaIgwe1:


It was all politics though. In fairness to Usmanov, he was really interested in taking over Arsenal, but many of the then big shareholders did not like him, after Usmanov got up to 30% and wanted a takeover, other main shareholders plotted him out by selling to Kroenke instead, which ended making Kroenke the biggest shareholder...even at that Usmanov refused to sell to Kroenke for another 6 years... prolly hoping Kroenke will give up or lose interest in Arsenal.

But like you, I don't want Usmanov, I don't want Kroenke or Er or Dangote.... I want an oil rich billionaire who wouldn't feel any sense of loss if few billions go down the drain for the love of a club he loves. I want an owner that will call the best players in the world and ask them to name their price to come and play for his club...Only Arabs making money from unending wells of oil can do that... I don't know any real businessman that will do that; neither Elon Musk nor Jeff Bezos will.

So give me a sugar daddy from an oil rich Arab nation, then I will campaign for him. cheesy
Exactly. That's what I was trying to let Blueray know. It's only Arabs that can really spend money for football. They do so without counting the costs, unlike others who want to be shrewed.

As for Usmanov I am yet to be convinced that he was serious to own the club. He may have made comments, but so has many others including me.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 6:59pm On Oct 09
afrodoc2:


I remember this episode quite well.

Danny Fiszman and Lady Bracewell-Smith did not like Usmanov personally and did refuse to sell to him. Those 2 were the ringleaders.

Some believe they were the ones that actually secretly went shopping for an acceptable billionaire I.e Kroenke in order to avoid having to sell to Usmanov who they felt wasn’t classy/upper class enough for them.


God bless u! Spy360 believes everything is just bread and butter ; that no businessman will see money being offered andwont sell his shares to someone like Usmanov . He doesn’t know some of these guys can decide not to sell to u just because of whatever perception they have concerning u.

Those guys obviously don’t want Ismanov neat the club and it was clear some of the reasons going by what Usmanov’s wiki page says about him. Person wey don go jail for fraud charges , convicted of rape and fraternizes with Putin.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 7:02pm On Oct 09
Spy360:

Exactly. That's what I was trying to let Blueray know. It's only Arabs that can really spend money for football. They do so without counting the costs, unlike others who want to be shrewed.

As for Usmanov I am yet to be convinced that he was serious to own the club. He may have made comments, but so has many others including me.

I already pointed out Leicester owner of blessed memory to you. He’s not Arab , he bought the club , clean up their debts and still got them players and a good coach in Claudio Ranieri and they ended up with the league.

Any billionaire that likes the sport and majorly has interest in seeing his club win trophies will invest in his club ; it has nothing to do with nationality rather it’s the passion
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 7:21pm On Oct 09
BlueRayDick:


I already pointed out Leicester owner of blessed memory to you. He’s not Arab , he bought the club , clean up their debts and still got them players and a good coach in Claudio Ranieri and they ended up with the league.

Any billionaire that likes the sport and majorly has interest in seeing his club win trophies will invest in his club ; it has nothing to do with nationality rather it’s the passion
I agree it has nothing to do with nationality. But we all know where most of the money is coming from.
The Leicester owner did not throw in sugar-money. The success he achieved was largely a product of chance and opportunity. Ordinarily, his investment in Leicester, while credible would never be enough to usurp the likes of City and co. I stand with my Arabs.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 7:35pm On Oct 09
Spy360:

I agree it has nothing to do with nationality. But we all know where most of the money is coming from.
The Leicester owner did not throw in sugar-money. The success he achieved was largely a product of chance and opportunity. Ordinarily, his investment in Leicester, while credible would never be enough to usurp the likes of City and co. I stand with my Arabs.

I believe in sugar daddies irrespective of nationality cool
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by ObaIgwe1: 7:42pm On Oct 09
Lush100:

Your last sentence,. hmmm....u should not be a lady oh,
U go just dey commit all manners grin

lol It's not only ladies that enjoy sugar daddies o... cheesy

If you are lucky to do business with one, if you are not careful, you will get carried away thinking doing business is that easy...

Especially those politicians who didn't work hard for the money. Just make sure you give them the services or products they want and if possible more... and see them throw big money out for very little things. They are only after their passion/fun/glory and they don't care about the cost.

Many of those Arabs are like our politicians, they got the money so easy and they don't mind spending it easily for their passion too. Like yahoo boys too, they all think more money are still coming the same easy way.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 4:07am On Oct 10
BlueRayDick:


I believe in sugar daddies irrespective of nationality cool
Only Arabs are sugar daddies I know. The closests are the Russian oil moguls like Abrahomvic.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by afrodoc2: 7:22am On Oct 10
Spy360:

Only Arabs are sugar daddies I know. The closests are the Russian oil moguls like Abrahomvic.

Usmanov although born in Uzbekistan is a Russian oligarch as well. He would have gone toe to toe financially with Abramovic just for bragging rights.

Usmanov was also richer than Abramovic. You guys lost out because of the snobbery of those board members.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 7:52am On Oct 10
I remember wengay sef no like usmanov cause he once question his transfer policy, he was part of the leak when they offered him(wengay) 200m for transfer which he rejected.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 8:52am On Oct 10
Spy360:

Only Arabs are sugar daddies I know. The closests are the Russian oil moguls like Abrahomvic.

U’ve not been listening / reading all I’ve been saying . Usmanov is just like Abramovic; an Uzbek born Russian oligarch. He’s got everything Abramovic’s got including closeness to Putin.

He’s a potential sugar daddy our board let slide because of whatever political reasons they can use to justify not selling to him. Now they sold to the Amrican silent Stan see where we are.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 8:53am On Oct 10
iamoyindamola:
I remember wengay sef no like usmanov cause he once question his transfer policy, he was part of the leak when they offered him(wengay) 200m for transfer which he rejected.

Don’t mind dem. Wenger and the board were stuck in the past; Usmanov was definitely going to pull off an Abramovic on the club and the board + Wenger can’t imagine that happening
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 9:51am On Oct 10
BlueRayDick:


Don’t mind dem. Wenger and the board were stuck in the past; Usmanov was definitely going to pull off an Abramovic on the club and the board + Wenger can’t imagine that happening
I think usmanov is now in Everton
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jencejyde(m): 9:51am On Oct 10
BlueRayDick:


I already pointed out Leicester owner of blessed memory to you. He’s not Arab , he bought the club , clean up their debts and still got them players and a good coach in Claudio Ranieri and they ended up with the league.

Any billionaire that likes the sport and majorly has interest in seeing his club win trophies will invest in his club ; it has nothing to do with nationality rather it’s the passion

End of story!
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 9:55am On Oct 10
iamoyindamola:

I think usmanov is now in Everton
It was his friend farhad Moshiri that went to Everton.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 9:59am On Oct 10
Jodera:
It was his friend farhad Moshiri that went to Everton.
Oh okay

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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 10:02am On Oct 10
Spy360:

I agree it has nothing to do with nationality. But we all know where most of the money is coming from.
The Leicester owner did not throw in sugar-money. The success he achieved was largely a product of chance and opportunity. Ordinarily, his investment in Leicester, while credible would never be enough to usurp the likes of City and co. I stand with my Arabs.
Everything Blueray wrote(and afrodoc supplemented) was indeed correct, I remember that saga then, tho I couldn't deeply read all up but all the nit bits I read here was exactly what I read then. Then I remember my friends who were arsenal fans then were happy that Usmanov wants to take over and that Wenger will start spending massively(since him dey always use Emirates excuse as cover up) but were later disappointed as they read that the board didn't really want him.

Forget, Arsenal for win much more trophies if usmanov was our owner cos it was only him who had different idea on how our club was going, only him who was voicing out then and it was only him who accused our club of lacking ambition in winning trophies. E sure me say Wenger for don receive sack letter before 2017 sef
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 10:04am On Oct 10
iamoyindamola:
I remember wengay sef no like usmanov cause he once question his transfer policy, he was part of the leak when they offered him(wengay) 200m for transfer which he rejected.
Na another of the reason wey I no like Wenger be this and why I felt he ran us to the ground. This news wen we needed strengthening then bin pain me die. It further strengthened my Wengerout mantra dat year.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 11:37am On Oct 10
Jodera:
Na another of the reason wey I no like Wenger be this and why I felt he ran us to the ground. This news wen we needed strengthening then bin pain me die. It further strengthened my Wengerout mantra dat year.
That is why I agreed with mourinho when he called him specialist in failure
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Lush100(m): 12:13pm On Oct 10
iamoyindamola:

That is why I agreed with mourinho when he called him specialist in failure
.

No sir, i can't agree with morinho.

Yes Wenger was frugal with money.
He is an economist.
He won the the EPL unbeaten.
But Wenger had his weakness,
Morinho also has his.

Wenger increased the value of Arsenal FC using the least means more than any other manager i know.
He has now left the club.
Let us focus on the new manager/leadership.
Wenger was at par with Alex Ferguson (a bit less during his reigning years)

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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 12:16pm On Oct 10
Lush100:
.

No sir, i can't agree with morinho.

Yes Wenger was frugal with money.
He is an economist.
He won the the EPL unbeaten.
But Wenger had his weakness,
Morinho also has his.

Wenger increased the value of Arsenal FC more than any other manager i know.
He has now left the club.
Let us focus on the new manager/leadership.
Wenger was at par with Alex Ferguson (a bit less during his reigning years)
He went out of line even with his policy
He used to be a winner but what happened he embraced failure and mediocre
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 2:25pm On Oct 10
Jodera:
Everything Blueray wrote(and afrodoc supplemented) was indeed correct, I remember that saga then, tho I couldn't deeply read all up but all the nit bits I read here was exactly what I read then. Then I remember my friends who were arsenal fans then were happy that Usmanov wants to take over and that Wenger will start spending massively(since him dey always use Emirates excuse as cover up) but were later disappointed as they read that the board didn't really want him.

Forget, Arsenal for win much more trophies if usmanov was our owner cos it was only him who had different idea on how our club was going, only him who was voicing out then and it was only him who accused our club of lacking ambition in winning trophies. E sure me say Wenger for don receive sack letter before 2017 sef
I did not counter what both said. My stand is that if Usmanov really wanted Arsenal solely he would have done so because he had the capacity. He had the majority shareholding and by law could declare a take over. He didn't, he was comfortable with being a part owner until Kroenke usurped him.

I don't like people making flimsy excuses for him about politics and all those shiits. Coming out later to say he had intentions for me doesn't hold water. And I stand by this, which also holds true for me as a principle. If you want something go get it, stop giving excuses. Besides what are the chances that Usmanov will release sugar money? We all thought Kroenke would but look now.

As I said, I will appreciate sugar daddies from any nationality. But it's those from Arabia that I can guarantee. So far they are the only ones save Abrahamovic.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 2:28pm On Oct 10
BlueRayDick:


U’ve not been listening / reading all I’ve been saying . Usmanov is just like Abramovic; an Uzbek born Russian oligarch. He’s got everything Abramovic’s got including closeness to Putin.

He’s a potential sugar daddy our board let slide because of whatever political reasons they can use to justify not selling to him. Now they sold to the Amrican silent Stan see where we are.
What you have said is still speculation at best. Usmanov was dragging his feet and was usurped. Finish. Any other thing is old news.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 2:34pm On Oct 10
afrodoc2:


Usmanov although born in Uzbekistan is a Russian oligarch as well. He would have gone toe to toe financially with Abramovic just for bragging rights.

Usmanov was also richer than Abramovic. You guys lost out because of the snobbery of those board members.
Agreed. But the fact that he didn't and can only blame himself not anyone. He was the rishest owner in PL sometime but was not ready to solely own a club (I think).
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 3:52pm On Oct 10
Spy360:

What you have said is still speculation at best. Usmanov was dragging his feet and was usurped. Finish. Any other thing is old news.

Okay . It’s obvious U already have ur own preconceived believe going into this discourse .....there’s no need dragging this further , there’s nothing any of us will say that will make u see things any other way.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by kokanepyramid: 5:06pm On Oct 10
Spy360:

I did not counter what both said. My stand is that if Usmanov really wanted Arsenal solely he would have done so because he had the capacity. He had the majority shareholding and by law could declare a take over. He didn't, he was comfortable with being a part owner until Kroenke usurped him.

I don't like people making flimsy excuses for him about politics and all those shiits. Coming out later to say he had intentions for me doesn't hold water. And I stand by this, which also holds true for me as a principle. If you want something go get it, stop giving excuses. Besides what are the chances that Usmanov will release sugar money? We all thought Kroenke would but look now.

As I said, I will appreciate sugar daddies from any nationality. But it's those from Arabia that I can guarantee. So far they are the only ones save Abrahamovic.
You and who thought Kroenke would.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Roland17(m): 5:42pm On Oct 10
Make I kukuma drop this one..

My boy B. Saka scored yesterday..

We meuve!
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 5:51pm On Oct 10
kokanepyramid:

You and who thought Kroenke would.
The idea in the mind of most fans during the Kroenke takeover was that we would get something similar to what Chelsea were having with Abrahamovic. It was after the first transfer window, plus Wenger coming up with fake millions made available for transfers, that we realised things have not changed.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by kokanepyramid: 5:55pm On Oct 10
Spy360:

The idea in the mind of most fans during the Kroenke takeover was that we would get something similar to what Chelsea were having with Abrahamovic. It was after the first transfer window, plus Wenger coming up with fake millions made available for transfers, that we realised things have not changed.
Most fans?

I strongly disagree!

Most fans were proponents of Usmanov takeover and not Kroenke. A lot were mad Kroenke refused to sell and were disappointed when he (Usmanov) was bought out of the club.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 6:44pm On Oct 10
Spy360:

The idea in the mind of most fans during the Kroenke takeover was that we would get something similar to what Chelsea were having with Abrahamovic. It was after the first transfer window, plus Wenger coming up with fake millions made available for transfers, that we realised things have not changed.
Lie lie lie
If weekend go sweet na from Friday you go know
Usmanov have been the most vocal from the onset he was a one man mopol, fighting how the club was managed.
He wanted to buy all other shareholders even kronke's own but like I said he was one man mopol, no one was on his side especially when the manager doesn't like him

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