Okija_juju:

The most interesting fact about the reactions from this thread is;

IGBOS who have all clamoured for the immortalization of Ojukwu are the same ones opposed to changing the University of Nigeria (Nsukka) to Odimegwu Ojukwu University (Nsukka). Is it that y'all love the name Nigeria than you love the man Ojukwu?!

Hmmm! - _{I wonder why?!}

ZE:

i still insist that the true paternity of this so called okija_juju guy be checked.

her mother played away match with one dirty aboki nama

Onlytruth:

I really think they should change that University to University of Nsukka, and build a so called "University of Nigeria Abuja" so that we can all rest. We are not Nigerians anyway. They have been itching to do so for many years.
Ojukwu would roll over in his grave if anyone tagged him with another man's name.

They should not name anything after Ojukwu.
We will build a befitting memorial and tower for him.
That is what Ojukwu would have loved, and that is what he deserves. He was no academician. He was a soldier.
Soldiers are remembered with monuments and statues, not schools.

If they insist on putting a Nigerian tag on him, then they should name the 82 division of the Nigerian army in Enugu after him.

Pukkah:

I like this.  It shows that you know what you want as a person.  But I was surprised to read from the same people who kicked against naming UNN after him only to point to another institution which they think should be named after him. Does it mean that the sentiment they have for Ojukwu is weaker than that which they have for the retaining of UNN's name?

blacklion:

I think the key issue is to respect the wishes of the founder of the university i.e. Zik, that the university keep the name UNN in perpetuity.

Zik and Ojukwu are two separate individuals.

Both made distinct contributions to Nigeria and to Igboland.

Re-naming an institution founded by Zik after Ojukwu is a gross disrespect to both of their memories. 

Nwa Nise, Ekene'm ghi.

Now that’s as much respect as I will accord you for the purpose of this discussion.

Now, I will teach you some manners that will serve you well in your future, Respect! Respect others, not just your elders, but the opinions and wishes of every single man regardless of age as well. I have no obligation whatsoever to prove to you or any other person my ethnicity. You are not Igbo as a result of your personal decision. We are what we are. You might as well have been a descendant of Gen. Adekunle Benjamin (a.k.a Black scorpion) the commander of the much dreaded 3rd marine commandos that took more Biafran lives than any other platoon in that war. Get over yourself and this Igbo blood nonsense. Cheap sentiments would always becloud your sense of reason.

Now! I have always said it that I had a very great respect for Ojukwu until a certain point. When you said steps he took to rescue the Igbos from the slaughter house of the North, I do not disagree with you at all. Infact, I still say it that the greatest thing Ojukwu did in his entire existence was calling back all Easterners living in the North to return home. That was the smartest, logical, reasonable and wisest thing to do at the time. When he called them back, he brought them back into a safety zone. No single Easterner was murdered on Eastern soil during the duration of that pogrom from all accounts.

Now that was the end of his good legacy (as far as I am concerned). I still say it and maintain that the second he declared the independence of Biafra (regardless of the failure of the Aburi accord) without due preparation for the resultant conflict that such a move would cause, he put the same people he had rescued from danger in even greater danger. And even the time he chose to do it (breakaway) even made matters worse. The lives lost in that conflict were not worth it especially since he didn’t believe in the cause enough to die for it. Now I can forgive him for letting power, greed and every other good and bad reason push him to put us in such a precarious situation. Every man has a reason for doing what they do. But what I consider unforgivable was him running away when the battle came to his doorsteps. I can and will never forgive leading the Igbos to a battle and their deaths only to turn around and dessert us. When he ran, it made the sacrifices of the over 2 million Igbos, Niger deltans and all that died on the Biafrann side useless. The people who sing his praises and can genuinely defend their reasons for why they feel that Ojukwu is a hero deserving of all the posthumous awards and accolades, I respect. We don’t have to agree but then again that’s why we all are who we are. Differences of opinions are bound to exist. Infact, opinions are as numerous as there are humans with a brain. Now the people I despise are the zombies such as yourself. People who are born followers. People who just join the crowd and clap and sing without knowing what it is they are clapping about. And what makes your lot even more despicable is the fact that you come into a conversation with your little knowledge and alot of hearsays and try to shove it down the throats of intellectuals. Between the both of us, I have studied manuscripts, articles, books and have firsthand accounts from veterans of that war and drawn my own conclusions on what I "FEEL" went down in that conflict, you on the other hand, all you have is cheap repetitious hearsay arguments that you prolly picked up from beer parlours and other such places where charlatans such as yourself converge. For you to totally exonerate him of any blames in the atrocities of that conflict shows that you have a myopic knowledge of the events surrounding that conflict. Did you know that Ojukwu himself was partly to be blamed for the mass starvation of Biafrans that occurred during that conflict?!

Once more, I would advice you to go home and start reading. I do not need you to agree with me, all I want is for you to have an objective view of events. And just so you know, I Nwa Agwuku Nri that goes by the moniker Okija_juju does not give a rat’s a'ss about "Igbo blood" and other such trivial sentimental bullshi't that most of you ethnic bigots throw around. What have you and your lot done to make Igboland better? Your likes are part of the problem. Over 40 years since that ill-thought conflict ended and not 1 Eastern city is operating at up to 15% of its potentials. Instead of coming out to call a spade a spade you run around beating your chests calling yourselves Nwafors with absolutely nothing to show for it. You are not more Igbo than I am. Go read your history, if Nri is indeed the Anscestral Home of all Igbos as we are told, then I am more igbo than your entire clans blood put together. DO not insult me ever again in your life.

You can come back and have a rational discussion whenever you feel you have enough knowledge on the subject matter and can put aside your sentiments in a conversation.

Have a good day!!

Pukkah:

Are we now to look for an institution or something that Ojukwu founded or started?  Is that usually the rule in naming public places after deserving individuals?

I think the key issue is to respect the wishes of the founder of the university i.e. Zik, that the university keep the name UNN in perpetuity.

Onlytruth:

Okija_juju,

You keep claiming that you have read books about the things that precipitated the civil war, but you fail woefully to show us how Ojukwu started the civil war. Only mentally deranged humans would buy your theory of secession =declaration of war.
Let me ask you, if Hausa/Fulani secedes from Nigeria today, would you fight them?
If Yoruba secedes, would you fight them, even if all Nigeria's oil is there?
I know for a fact that you won't! So, your theory fails on arrival.

However, that is besides the point really. The point is that anyone familiar with Igbo people and mindset, someone with eyes to the ground, can smell from very far that YOU ARE NOT IGBO.
We Igbo are very sane and are NEVER devilishly bitter even against our enemies, not to talk of a man who you admit did some things right at the beginning of the crisis in 1966.
So, just because according to your own false and warped history which no history books corroborate, you harbor this devilish bitterness against the same man you praised for some things he did right? Even to the point of dancing on his corpse before his burial?  
Take a look at this whole Nairaland; out of thousands of Igbos on this forum, how come it is ONLY YOU that harbor this level of bitterness against Ojukwu?
In Igboland, we say that a man who thinks that ALL his kinsmen are mad, that his own madness is worst!
If you are from ANY part of Igboland, you would understand this simple Igbo belief.

YOU SEE HOW IT IS CLEAR THAT YOU ARE NOT IGBO?  

What still baffles me is why folks are going about on this site claiming to be Igbo when they are not.
How many Igbos have you seen pretending to be any other tribe than Igbo?
One of these days, you will bleat this nonsense to the face of an Igbo guy who would gladly put you out of your misery.

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Onlytruth:

Okija_juju,

You keep claiming that you have read books about things that precipitated the civil war, but you fail woefully to show us how Ojukwu started the civil war. [/b]Only mentally deranged humans would buy your theory of secession =declaration of war.
Let me ask you, if Hausa/Fulani secedes from Nigeria today, would you fight them?
If Yoruba secedes, would you fight them, even if all Nigeria's oil is there?
I know for a fact that you won't! So, your theory fails on arrival.

However, that is besides the point really. The point is that anyone familiar with Igbo people's mindset, someone with eyes to the ground, can smell from very far that [b]YOU ARE NOT IGBO.
We Igbo are very sane and are NEVER devilishly bitter even against our enemies, not to talk of a man who you admit did some things right at the beginning of the crisis in 1966.
So, just because according to your own false and warped history which no history books corroborate, he failed to die at the war front, you harbor this devilish bitterness against the same man you praised for some things he did right? Even to the point of dancing on his corpse before his burial?  
Take a look at this whole Nairaland; out of thousands of Igbos on this forum, how come it is ONLY YOU that harbor this level of bitterness against Ojukwu?
In Igboland, we say that a man who thinks that ALL his kinsmen are mad, that his own madness is worst!
If you are from ANY part of Igboland, you would understand this simple Igbo belief.

YOU SEE HOW IT IS CLEAR THAT YOU ARE NOT IGBO?  

What still baffles me is why folks are going about on this site claiming to be Igbo when they are not.
How many Igbos have you seen pretending to be any other tribe than Igbo?
One of these days, you will bleat this nonsense to the face of an Igbo guy who would gladly put you out of your misery.

olyivy:


Like I said before, there are many like Okija Juju, those whose mother followed hausa soldiers to the north for protection. Hausa have rejected him and igbos rejected him and he is undergoing identity crisis.

dagboss:

My take on this-if truly Ojukwu is a hero like the Igbos want other Nigerians to believe, changing UNN to his name should not be a big deal. Are you opponents telling me that UNN is bigger that the Great Ojukwu? What a pity. After all what the hell is the significance of the Nigeria in the name? Does it make it greater than Schools like OAU or even Uniben UI or ABU. There is absolutely nothing spectacular about the school. I had the opportunity to visit the campus sometimes late 1979 together with my late uncle who was a Champion Brewery Uyo distributor. On our way to Uyo We branched at the campus to see his friend who also comes from our home town, he was reading one education course that time. That evening he took us to their main Cafeteria which was so rowdy like a prison cafe and they served boiled yam with stew that looked like the poo of a goat that is suffering from congenital diarrhea. I left the food untouched.

olyivy:

As for Okija juju,

The best way anyone can fight a group is fighting from the inside.

The guy is no igbo. he might have lived all his life in igboland and speak no other nigerian language but that doesnt make him igbo.

How can he claim to have read and researched and didnt read where Ojukwu was made (by the northern milad) to let the igbos he invited back home from the north to go back only for the northerners to start another round of killings.

His claimed his only beef with Ojukwu is that he did not die in the war? Tell me if there is any igbo person on earth who would want that for any reason at all knowing fully well that killing Ojukwu in the war woulda been the abokis greatest defeat to the igbo race.

Like I said before, there are many like Okija Juju, those whose mother followed hausa soldiers to the north for protection. Hausa have rejected him and igbos rejected him and he is undergoing identity crisis.

ZE:

Igbo people call bastar-ds like that BAT(usu)

"usu abughi anu elu, abughi anu ala"

Okija_juju:

Eze Ndi Igbo,

Ekene'm ghi!


Why are we still walking down this path of my ethnicity! Fine, I accept the title of Efulefu or Osu! Heck! I am not even Nigerian, what does that account for?! I DO NOT GIVE A Bleep IF YOU and OTHERS DONT FEEL I AM IGBO ENOUGH! _{(Eze pardon my Ohafia)}. That dosent change the colour of the blood in my veins nor the amount in my account!

On the issue of my ethnicity, Eze Onlytruth, If you were born to a Normad fulani jihadist family sir, would you have the nerve to stand up to your people and call them what they are "Terrorists"?! Or would you stick with the "pride", tow their line and join then in their massacre of the infidels?! Would you be able to stand on your own beliefs and speak out against what you FEEL is wrong?!

If you really feel that the Declaration of Biafran Independence from Nigeria was not an indirect declaration/invitation to war, then Eze Onlytruth, you have dissappointed me. I guess you like Ojukwu thought that it would be that easy to create a new country. Well! Eze, these are a few examples of how autonomous secessionist movements such as that of Biafra is an invitation to war;

I could keep giving you several instances where "AUTONOMOUS" secessionist movements have been crushed by the use of force or where autonomous secessionist movements have succeeded by persevering through a long war. But one thing you find that is common to all autonomous secessionist movements is VIOLENCE. SO I'm pretty certain that Ojukwu expected that war. Thats why he built his bunkers in Umuahia.

Sut so you understand something, The fact that he took the decision to seceed despite being ill prepared for the battle that he knew would follow is pardonable, what I find unforgivable remains the fact that he wasnt ready to die for the movement. You can forgive that, I cant get over that fact. And the fact that he never did apologise for that war and bailing on us, I also find very annoying. I am entitled to my anger. You are entitled to call him the second son of God. But I am yet to come across any Igbo constitution that says "You must like, love or adore" Ojukwu to be certified Igbo. So Eze, with all due respect to the office you occupy, your opinion about my ethnicity does not matter or have any consequences whatsoever.

If you all love him so much, rename Nnewi after him. But dont try to force me to like him or try to gag me from speaking out my opinions about the man. If he were a Northerner, I would still call him a brave power-drunk coward.

Once more, my regrads Eze Ndi Igbo!

Eze Mmuo Alusi Okija^TM _{(Agu ji egbe 1 of NRI)}

dagboss:

My take on this-if truly Ojukwu is a hero like the Igbos want other Nigerians to believe, changing UNN to his name should not be a big deal. Are you opponents telling me that UNN is bigger that the Great Ojukwu? What a pity. After all what the hell is the significance of the Nigeria in the name? Does it make it greater than Schools like OAU or even Uniben UI or ABU. There is absolutely nothing spectacular about the school. I had the opportunity to visit the campus sometimes late 1979 together with my late uncle who was a Champion Brewery Uyo distributor. On our way to Uyo We branched at the campus to see his friend who also comes from our home town, he was reading one education course that time. That evening he took us to their main Cafeteria which was so rowdy like a prison cafe and they served boiled yam with  stew that looked like the poo of a goat that is suffering from congenital diarrhea. I  left the food untouched.