I'm a yoruba like everyone in my family but our ancestors were not even Nigerian but from different countries- We dont know anything other than yoruba. . . .  lol is it my fault that my ancestors loved yoruba language/culture/way of living so much they decided to become yorubanized and marry with indigenous yorubas of Nigeria?

Katsumoto:

I hope you are not implying that Afonja was a Muslim because he wasn't. Betrayal is part of any normal society; the larger the society, the more pronounced the betrayal. There were more betrayals per day in the Roman empire than there were during all of the Oyo Empire. Afonja's case is not that special in any case.

When did you become a statistician to know that the number of Muslims is increasing? In any case, I am sure it will not be a problem.

Dede1:

I guess you know better than the above post. It would be unforgettable blunder on my part if I remotely insinuate Omo agbaya Afonja was a Muslim.

It does not take a statistician to conclude there is increase in number of Yoruba who are Muslims. A day spent in Yoruba land holds all the answers.

Dede1:

Yoruba must deal with the issue of increasing number of Muslims among them. The case of Afonja is still fresh in our collective but historical memories.

It appears that you are taking this debate as some sort of superiority of the Yorubas over others. That is not the case. All groups are unique and special in their own ways. I am only debating about the UNIQUENESS of the Yoruba vis-a-vis subjective harmony in a multi-cultural and multi-religious society. The Yorubas were not the only groups in the world that were taken as slaves to new countries. There are many examples of that all over the world. The Yoruba are however the only group that were transplanted in strange lands that not only continued with their system of beliefs, culture, and religion but also converted and assimilitated other cultural and religious beliefs.

For instance, there are Yorubas in Salvador who can not point out the location of Yorubaland on a map but are ardent Ifa worshippers.

Similarly, Santeria and Candomble are religions that are mixtures of Ifa/Orisha worshipping and Catholitism in Cuba and Brazil respectively. The Yorubas that were taken to the US and other English Caribbean countries were mixed with other groups so as to stop them retaining their identity. The Yorubas that were taken to Spanish and Portuguese colonies on the other hand were allowed to not only retain their identities but also their religious and cultural beliefs. But guess what, they weren't the only ones allowed to do so but they certainly were the only ones ABLE to do so.

There are parks and man-made lakes built in Salvador symbolizing Orisha worship. Next month, during the Carnival week in Brazil, there will be carnivals in Rio and Salvador. One of the three parades in Salvador will be one in Pelourinho. Because of the historical significance of Pelourinho, the parade their is more cultural and spiritual unlike the parades in Ondina and Campo Grande which are witnessed by more party revelers. In Pelourinho, there is African music and dance and don't be surprised to see some Yoruba Orisha procession (not a real one). There is a group called Olodum (short for Olodumare) that is very popular in Brazil.

There is no ETHNIC group that is African-American. They are a group all right. If I am correct, the American cencus does not use Ethnic groups; it uses groups such as Caucasian, hispanic, African-American, Asians, etc

You really must name these other groups in Nigeria that have sizeable Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Traditional, etc groups.

Your use of America in this case is irrelevant because Americans do not belong to one Ethnic Group. You have to keep up.

It does not take a statistician to conclude there is increase in number of Yoruba who are Muslims. A day spent in Yoruba land holds all the answers.

Dede1:

I guess you know better than the above post. It would be unforgettable blunder on my part if I remotely insinuate Omo agbaya Afonja was a Muslim.

It does not take a statistician to conclude[b] there is increase in number of Yoruba who are Muslims[/b]. A day spent in Yoruba land holds all the answers.


@T8ksy

You are a hungry ninny. Afonja’s incarnate.  

exotik:


and isnt it ironic that some yoruba who have never set foot outside nigeria do not know anything about yoruba religious traditions and are ardent christians and muslims, while those taken as slaves to far away land were able to preserve the religion? and that also applies other nigerians groups who have people who have never set off outside the country but na dem believe in christianity pass even the oyinbos wey bring am? not to talk of those wey carry mohammed for head.

exotik:



well, for starters i never took it as some sort of superiority because when u initially posted your write-up, i didnt debate it because to me there wasn't anything unique about it but just had to leave u to your belief system. and i guess because u felt inferior after i gave reason why hausa-fulani muslims do not respect yoruba muslims, u insinuated that i made that comment because i felt they were the ones who introduced islam to yorubas. and then decided to post your comment again with my moniker addressed to it, and that was why i debated and gave u reasons why it is not unique to yoruba alone and i gave u examples of how nigeria groups have been able to modify religion to suit their customs and language but  it wasn’t good enough for you becos but to you it is only yoruba that can do such because you only understand the dynamics of yorubaness and not those of other nigerian groups. the people in calabar were even able to modify christianity and ended up with olumba olumba obu.

and i guess because u felt inferior after i gave reason why hausa-fulani muslims do not respect yoruba muslims

Negro_Ntns:

. . . . when we start slaughtering ibos they will.   

Firstly, I mentioned your moniker because my original post on this subject in another was addressed to you. I did that for clarity.

Secondly, you are making assumptions about my religion and ethnicity. In any case, you are wrong on both cases. I was just enjoying having a debate with you on a subject that I have read a lot about. I made no assumptions about your ethnicity or religion. I haven't used any denigrating language on you and I resent your use of 'inferior' on me even though you are wrong about the context.

okunoba:

Every day in Yoruba land we are losing many muslims to the Pastor Adeboye`s of this World. Islam is a dying religion in Yoruba land. More and more of our people are leaving Islam to become Christians or non believers. Half of the Yoruba Muslim Families I know have all converted. I believe in 20 yrs time less than 20% of us will be practicing muslims.

Education is bringing the natural death of Islam in Yoruba Land. The orisha`s have not abandoned us.

Yoruba kwenu

okunoba:

Every day in Yoruba land we are losing many muslims to the Pastor Adeboye`s of this World. Islam is a dying religion in Yoruba land. More and more of our people are leaving Islam to become Christians or non believers. Half of the Yoruba Muslim Families I know have all converted. I believe in 20 yrs time less than 20% of us will be practicing muslims.

Education is bringing the natural death of Islam in Yoruba Land. The orisha`s have not abandoned us.

Yoruba kwenu

okunoba:

@tpia, waitin concern Ndigbo with my talk. I am talking from reality, Yoruba`s are leaving Islam in droves everyday. If u are Yoruba u must have muslims that have converted to Christianity, but I doubt if u will find a Yoruba Christian converting to Islam. Educated Yoruba`s have been leaving Islam from the 60s, the first Ibadan Doctor, Dr Agbaje, was born into a prominent Yoruba muslim family, Salami Agbaje, but the Dr converted to christianity after his education and many more from the same family have all abandoned imolele(forced religion) religion. Alhamdulillah

exotik:



we all fall victims to assumptions online because it is difficult to tell the true intent/identity of someone u are having a conversation with who u cannot see physically. so my apologies if my assumptions came off as an insult.

exotik:


however, if u are not yoruba and maybe who knows, you are probably not nigerian? why are you still adamant that this topic is only unique to yorubas even though i have stated clearly in my comments how it is not?

okunoba:

@tpia, U not coherent, what is the crap? that Yoruba`s are leaving Islam in droves, a known but unspoken fact, where is the mischief in speaking the truth.

Ignorance? Sorry mate talking from experience, history and observation of Yoruba history.

Yoruba traditional religion is going but not strong, most that practice it do it in hiding, u don`t hide when strong, only when weak.

Do u honestly know many Yoruba christians that have converted to Islam? I doubt it, but I doubt if u can honestly say u don`t know many Yoruba`s muslims that have converted to Christianity even within the confinement of your family setting? Assuming u Yoruba like me?

Yes, we have Yoruba muslim scholars but that doesn`t take away from the fact that we Yoruba`s are leaving Islam in our thousands every year.  There is a movement away from Islam in Yoruba land, without a fight.

For instance, you talked about Calabar christianity and Olumba Olumba. You talked about Edo Christians, Muslims and Traditionalists. You mentioned different religions in the US, etc but none of them is completely the same as the Yorubas.
For instance, the Calabars are mainly in Nigeria and a sizable number are Christians. Edo are also mainly in Nigeria and are mainly Christians but they do take their Culture very seriously (thats why in my view, Oba of Benin is one of the most respected Monarchs in the world). The Americans are made up of many ethnicities who all reside in one country

Find me one ethnic group who are spread in more than one country and have sizable worshipers in at least three different religions and who practice tolerance for other religions besides their own.

okunoba:

@tpia, waitin concern Ndigbo with my talk. I am talking from reality, Yoruba`s are leaving Islam in droves everyday. If u are Yoruba u must have muslims that have converted to Christianity, but I doubt if u will find a Yoruba Christian converting to Islam. Educated Yoruba`s have been leaving Islam from the 60s, the first Ibadan Doctor, Dr Agbaje, was born into a prominent Yoruba muslim family, Salami Agbaje, but the Dr converted to christianity after his education and many more from the same family have all abandoned imolele(forced religion) religion.  Alhamdulillah

Katsumoto:


There are parks and man-made lakes built in Salvador symbolizing Orisha worship. Next month, during the Carnival week in Brazil, there will be carnivals in Rio and Salvador. One of the three parades in Salvador will be one in Pelourinho. Because of the historical significance of Pelourinho

Kilode?!:


The Irunmoles don't hate.

Like Baba Wande Abimbola brilliantly concluded, Ifa (the concept, not necessarily the religion) will heal the world.

Those who will learn will learn, casting pearls before swines is a fruitless, thankless effort.

Kilode?!:

. . It seems you already packed your hand luggage. Prof Kasu wanderlust.

I'm not fooled. I know you are not going for the historical experience