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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 3:27pm On Apr 29, 2021
odizeey:


I no won too argue this thing. In due time we shall see

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 3:28pm On Apr 29, 2021
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KingAlabi, handelex and rest OleInners don mould Statute for their MCM...... LMFAO!

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 3:30pm On Apr 29, 2021
Illimitable:


You keep telling yourself this when it’s obvious you are wrong. As a big club generating upwards of £500m per season, we ought to be spending like the other big clubs in Europe. United were the 2nd richest team in that era but they were the 6th best team in Europe - why is that?




Before 2013, City had already acquired Aguero, Yaya Toure, David Silva, Kompany, Dzeko, Tevez, Nasri, Balotelli, Zabaleta, Robinho, etc.

Your argument would only have a spine if the aforementioned players didn’t go on to contribute to City’s success before/after SAF retired. You know in your hearts of hearts that they did.



You should also blame them for not paying any attention to City’s rapid rise between 2008-2013. City were catching up fast while United were sleeping and counting on SAF to deliver trophies forever.

The Glazers are the worst thing to happen to United.

Let’s calculate how much they have spent since their 2005 takeover and compare it to City’s takeover in 2008.

Man City

08/09 - £142m
09/10 - £133m
10/11 - £165m
11/12 - £82m
12/13 - £56m
13/14 - £104m
14/15 - £93m
15/16 - £187m
16/17 - £194m
17/18 - £286m
18/19 - £71m
19/20 - £144m
20/21 - £160m

Total - £1.8 billion


Man Utd

08/09 - £40m
09/10 - £25m
10/11 - £26m
11/12 - £56m
12/13 - £69m
13/14 - £69m
14/15 - £175m
15/16 - £140m
16/17 - £167m
17/18 - £178m
18/19 - £74m
19/20 - £204m
20/21 - £75m

Total - £1.3 billion

If you add 05/06, 06/07 & 07/08(Glazers arrived in 2005) purchases to United’s total, you have £1.4 billion.

So the Arab owners spent around £400m more in 13 seasons than the Glazers did in 16 seasons.

The Glazers are a disgrace!


The comparison does not make sense. Start from 2012/2013 when Fergie left, not 2006 or 2008, because we had a better squad for years until 2013 when the players were getting really old and tired. How come we got to 3 UCL finals in those years that we did not sign players? Of course we had quality and depth, City were nothing, they started from scratch. They needed to spend the extra 400m to try and catch up with Chelsea and Arsenal.

Please don’t tell me that Fergie was a genius in those years, because we know how woeful he had been in almost 2 decades (prior to 2007/2007).
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 3:38pm On Apr 29, 2021
nitrogen:

The comparison does not make sense. Start from 2012/2013 when Fergie left, not 2006 or 2008, because we had a better squad for years until 2013 when the players were getting really old and tired. How come we got to 3 UCL finals in those years that we did not sign players? Of course we had quality and depth, City were nothing, they started from scratch. They needed to spend the extra 400m to try and catch up with Chelsea and Arsenal.

Why should I start from 2012/13? All the players City bought before then died or they left with Fergie or what’s your argument?

The true picture here is how much both owners have spent on their respective projects. You cannot start counting after Fergie left because City had already won a league a season before Fergie left.

Their owners spent plenty of money in signing Aguero, Balotelli, Tevez, Kompany, Dzeko, David Silva, Yaya Toure, etc. instead of the Glazers to sign Toure or Kroos, they forced Scholes out of retirement at 38 years of age. cheesy

nitrogen:

Please don’t tell me that Fergie was a genius in those years, because we know how woeful he had been in almost 2 decades (prior to 2007/2007).

Fergie was the reason United won all those trophies because of his genius man management of getting every drop of energy from average players.

SAF may not be the best tactician but he knows how to make his players leave everything they have got to offer on the pitch. That sheer ingenuity is why he’s the best manager on the planet.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 3:38pm On Apr 29, 2021
nitrogen:


Again, the stuffs from you are not correct. One thing that you need to understand is that David Gill and Fergie left at the same time. You know the effect of that? Why did Gill leave? One of both should have stayed to aid proper transitioning.

Also, we have football guys in charge. The non-football guys are there for commercials. It is tough to have a football person as chairman and CEO. Most ex footballers don’t have business mindsets. A football club is about business and football, not just football.

In fact, tell me what football experience the CEOs of Man City and Chelsea have? While you are at it, please add the profiles of the persons in charge of transfers at the clubs.

You guys should calm down abeg.

Why did SAF and D. Gill leave?

Is it not because of the same issues we’re having now? We could’ve bought a proper, world class CM/DM and solve our midfield problems before SAF left. Your guys were penny pinching.

Have we solved that same midfield problem now? Why?

When football people are in charge of football things, stuff like that won’t happen.

We wanted to sign new players but your guys first sent lawyers to the player’s agent and club to negotiate price. Why won’t we buy DiMaria for 60 and sell him one year later for 40? Why buy VDB for 40m when he won’t start up to 15 EPL games?

If we had football people in charge, why would we hire Moyes (defensive mastaklass), sack him and then hire LvG (Possession football) then switch back to Mourinho (defensive mastaklaaaaaassssss) and now Ole (possession)? That one is even trivial sef.

The CEOs of those clubs don’t have investment bankers negotiating player salaries. They have football guys who do that and then pay up when they’re asked to.

They love football, don’t know how some of it works but are ready to delegate to people who know about it. Your pals love money, have no idea what they’re doing and put bankers in charge of footballing aspect of the club.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 3:41pm On Apr 29, 2021
nitrogen:


Can you list all players signed by City and Utd in the last 8 years? So we can do proper comparison. You know I am always ready to stuffs like that, but I am a bit busy this morning.

Dem don answer you sir

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by melodyogonna(m): 3:43pm On Apr 29, 2021
KingAlabi:

We have a team that's capable of winning, that doesn't mean we are the best Current winning team.


Oh, Oh I get you now.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 3:50pm On Apr 29, 2021
Jodera:
We don settle dar one

Emery na our boy grin
Good ebening grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nani667: 3:53pm On Apr 29, 2021
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#OleOUT

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 4:00pm On Apr 29, 2021
nitrogen:


Again, the stuffs from you are not correct. One thing that you need to understand is that David Gill and Fergie left at the same time. You know the effect of that? Why did Gill leave? One of both should have stayed to aid proper transitioning.

Also, we have football guys in charge. The non-football guys are there for commercials. It is tough to have a football person as chairman and CEO. Most ex footballers don’t have business mindsets. A football club is about business and football, not just football.

In fact, tell me what football experience the CEOs of Man City and Chelsea have? While you are at it, please add the profiles of the persons in charge of transfers at the clubs.

You guys should calm down abeg.

David Gill and Fergie were active in 2012 when Man City won the title in 11/12.

They were active when City kicked Man Utd out of the FA cup semifinal in 2011.

Whether they left or not, it wouldn’t have stopped City’s rise.

Every manager the Arab owners have hired for City has won them a league title so their recent success is not only about Pep Guardiola.

Mancini and Pellegrini also won league titles for City and that is because the club has so much quality that no matter how poor the manager is, it’s impossible to fail at City.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SyIvalord: 5:16pm On Apr 29, 2021
Jodera:
Na rest dem rest players tongue

The same way Mou rest players and arsene Wenger did his first ever league win over him cos him dey eye Europa opponent the coming Thurs. No just allow that defeat deceive you or give you false hope guy grin grin
Them rest players just to come collect better beating? E for good for them if them just focus on their league because nothing for them today. cheesy
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 5:22pm On Apr 29, 2021
You can argue all day but 1.4b is not small money. Where I think the board goofed is in the appointment of mangers and purchase of players where we had different manager come in and requested for whichever player they preferred and the succeeding manager coming in to replace those players with his own kind of players. That's unacceptable for a club like ours...
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BARAJ92(m): 5:26pm On Apr 29, 2021
Illimitable:


Fact is he sacrificed the league for Europa. You can check his line up at the Emirates and White Hart Lane towards the end of the season. United had too many injuries that season and they couldn’t fight on two fronts.

Jose tactically concentrated on Europa knowing winning it qualifies United for CL & it will be the same outcome if he focused solely on the league. He’s a very intelligent man.

In the season Jose got 81 points, he was also a finalist in FA cup.

Ole hasn’t been able to make any final in almost 3 years and the highest point he can get this season even if he wins all the remaining league games is 82 points. With almost £300m spent, you would expect much better.
Ole also has injuries issues in all the season yet he has been able to be competitive in all cup games while achieving top 4.
So Mourinho did not spend in Man U, He spend almost half a billion euros in 2.5 season on a team that just won the FA cup.
Those of you shouting Ole has spend £300m as if no player has left man Utd in that period. Lukaku, Herrera, Young, Smalling, Valencia, Fellani and many more players left the club. Yet you keep on shouting as if he has spend without any player leaving.

This is not to diminish the achievement of Mourinho, who as at today since the retirement of Ferguson has the best achievement among all the coaches we have hired.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by KingAlabi: 5:29pm On Apr 29, 2021
Oasis007:
cheesy

KingAlabi, handelex and rest OleInners don mould Statute for their MCM...... LMFAO!
cheesy cheesy
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 5:38pm On Apr 29, 2021
handelex:
Good ebening grin
chill, na me go greet you by 10pm grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 5:39pm On Apr 29, 2021
SyIvalord:
Them rest players just to come collect better beating? E for good for them if them just focus on their league because nothing for them today. cheesy
Lol... Na by 10pm na grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BARAJ92(m): 5:44pm On Apr 29, 2021
Illimitable:


This one is trying to be clever by half.

The only time Ole has played in the CL, he was bundled out of the group stage and got demoted to Europa.

Mourinho qualified from the group in every CL campaign at Man Utd.

That’s the difference.

Even if Ole wins Europa this season, it cannot top Mourinho’s achievements because it’s taken Ole close to 3 years to achieve what Mourinho did in 9 months.

You can’t lie your way around factual information.
This is very funny, yet your MCM was fired after 2 seasons so Di Matteo is the greatest coach in chelsea history since he won the champions league in less than 6 months. Also Avram Grant is greater than Mourinho since he took Chelsea to their 1st Champions League final which Mourinho failed to do in all the years, he coach Chelsea.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 5:57pm On Apr 29, 2021
BARAJ92:
This is very funny, yet your MCM was fired after 2 seasons so Di Matteo is the greatest coach in chelsea history since he won the champions league in less than 6 months. Also Avram Grant is greater than Mourinho since he took Chelsea to their 1st Champions League final which Mourinho failed to do in all the years, he coach Chelsea.
Lol...
It's here that you'll see, "this coach is the first to win this trophy", "that coach won trophy under one attempt, yet it's taking coach B two attempts"

Like is winning not winning again? grin

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BARAJ92(m): 6:00pm On Apr 29, 2021
Illimitable:


You keep telling yourself this when it’s obvious you are wrong. As a big club generating upwards of £500m per season, we ought to be spending like the other big clubs in Europe. United were the 2nd richest team in that era but they were the 6th best team in Europe - why is that?




Before 2013, City had already acquired Aguero, Yaya Toure, David Silva, Kompany, Dzeko, Tevez, Nasri, Balotelli, Zabaleta, Robinho, etc.

Your argument would only have a spine if the aforementioned players didn’t go on to contribute to City’s success before/after SAF retired. You know in your hearts of hearts that they did.



You should also blame them for not paying any attention to City’s rapid rise between 2008-2013. City were catching up fast while United were sleeping and counting on SAF to deliver trophies forever.

The Glazers are the worst thing to happen to United.

Let’s calculate how much they have spent since their 2005 takeover and compare it to City’s takeover in 2008.

Man City

08/09 - £142m
09/10 - £133m
10/11 - £165m
11/12 - £82m
12/13 - £56m
13/14 - £104m
14/15 - £93m
15/16 - £187m
16/17 - £194m
17/18 - £286m
18/19 - £71m
19/20 - £144m
20/21 - £160m

Total - £1.8 billion


Man Utd

08/09 - £40m
09/10 - £25m
10/11 - £26m
11/12 - £56m
12/13 - £69m
13/14 - £69m
14/15 - £175m
15/16 - £140m
16/17 - £167m
17/18 - £178m
18/19 - £74m
19/20 - £204m
20/21 - £75m

Total - £1.3 billion

If you add 05/06, 06/07 & 07/08(Glazers arrived in 2005) purchases to United’s total, you have £1.4 billion.

So the Arab owners spent around £400m more in 13 seasons than the Glazers did in 16 seasons.

The Glazers are a disgrace!

To be sincere and honest with you, this your stand does not hold weight on the glazer not spending, How many owners will spend heavily on a winning team.

From the analysis, you put up, it shows that Man Utd have been recruiting wrongly without a clear direction. How many of the signing pre-Mourinho are still in the club. Even Lukaku that was brought by Mourinho left the club.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BARAJ92(m): 6:07pm On Apr 29, 2021
patrickmuf:
You can argue all day but 1.4b is not small money. Where I think the board goofed is in the appointment of mangers and purchase of players where we had different manager come in and requested for whichever player they preferred and the succeeding manager coming in to replace those players with his own kind of players. That's unacceptable for a club like ours...
Confirmed.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Android17: 6:34pm On Apr 29, 2021
Illimitable:


Nobody gave Chelsea a chance. Arsenal were the strong favorites. They just completed a season unbeaten. Many bookies even had them repeating the same shit again in 2004/5.

I never lied about the war going between Mourinho and the media. I would post a video at the bottom of the post of Mourinho shit-talking the British media. Why would I lie over something I know? My muscle memory is better than any google cache you can scrape out of your computer.

When Jose first arrived, there was love but it quickly turned sour cos the media thought he was arrogant. Few months later, Jose went on an insult spree calling Wenger a Viewer, criticizing Allardyce’s tactics and just generally beefing several managers.

Guardiola was the outright favorite in 2016/17, he won nothing. Here you are, lying through your teeth that Mourinho was expected to win in a season Arsenal were the favorites. Pep that was touted to win everything finished third and trophyless.

You are a pathological liar and this is the proof.

https://twitter.com/skysportsretro/status/1386393370977873925?s=21

I don't know what my post has to do with Pep Guardiola. Your argument style is shameless. Your errant use of strawmen is laughable. All these irrelevant nonsense you are typing has nothing to do with the subject matter. You said nobody gave Mourinho a chance. I have proven that to be a lie. You said the media never gave him a chance, I have proven that to be a lie as well. I don't know how anyone who thinks intelligence or memory should be brought up in a discourse is doing so having made a claim and see that same claimed pulverized, debunked and dismantled. As for your attached image, hahahaha, you met the wrong person to try your spin tactics on. The media undermined Chelsea's winning because they called them "boring boring" chelsea - not that they did not give him a chance. That was what Mourinho was referring to. Why else will he say they were "Undermining" his teams season? Try another hapless deflection. This one failed again. lol

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SyIvalord: 6:47pm On Apr 29, 2021
Jodera:
Lol... Na by 10pm na grin
By half time, we go know how things dey go na grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 6:48pm On Apr 29, 2021
cheesy


Una want carry plank comot for Ole's Head?! To be honest, Glazers spent on the Squad, bulk of blame should be directed at Scouts and Manager.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 6:49pm On Apr 29, 2021
grin

OGS want carry Trophy, see Lineup..... Baba mean biz o.

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by LostMyZeal(m): 6:55pm On Apr 29, 2021
Abeg let that confused fraud from Norway hurry up and win the most insignificant trophy in MUFC trophy cupboard grin



We have OLe where we want the idiot.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by KingAlabi: 7:06pm On Apr 29, 2021
LostMyZeal:
Abeg let that confused fraud from Norway hurry up and win the most insignificant trophy in MUFC trophy cupboard grin



We have OLe where we want the idiot.
What position was Chelsea when they won the champions league?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by KingAlabi: 7:07pm On Apr 29, 2021
Oasis007:
grin

OGS want carry Trophy, see Lineup..... Baba mean biz o.
Mcfred no go kill this man angry
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 7:07pm On Apr 29, 2021
BARAJ92:
To be sincere and honest with you, this your stand does not hold weight on the glazer not spending, How many owners will spend heavily on a winning team.

It holds the strongest weight of the Glazers being useless. Man Utd generate the most revenue in England, why were they spending less than City since their takeover?

Real Madrid, City, PSG, Barca, etc do not hesitate to spend money when the opportunity avails itself. They spend money cos they are rich. It does not matter if their team is winning or not winning. Serious clubs evolve. Instead of SAF to spend money post-2005, he was teasing the fans that there was no value in the market and signed Bebe, Obertan and a crippled Michael Owen to replace Ronaldo.


BARAJ92:

From the analysis, you put up, it shows that Man Utd have been recruiting wrongly without a clear direction. How many of the signing pre-Mourinho are still in the club. Even Lukaku that was brought by Mourinho left the club.

The analysis I put up simply shows we have useless owners. Since Fergie left, United have hired 4 different managers. No manager has spent 3 years on the job since then but we had Fergie for 27 years.

Recruitment is also the responsibility of the owners - the fans don’t choose who to sign. Mourinho has also proven the owners didn’t back him. He submitted a list of names of the players he wanted and he was given the inferior versions of those players(just to save money).

The owners were in cahoots with Woodward to drive the narrative of United DNA - they lie to the fans that they would invest in youth players(with DNA) rather than go out there and buy finished products that can help win the title.

Pep was heralded as this developer of youth when he was signing for Man City. People quickly cited how he brought Busquets, Pedro, etc from the Barca team B. It’s been 5 years since Pep arrived and the only youth player he has developed is Foden. That should tell you City are more concerned about stacking up trophies and they are unashamed to spend money to get the objective done.

United owners, on the other hand, are lying that their youths are the future. Youths who aren’t even good enough in their own league are being promoted to the senior team to save money for the Glazers and deluded fans are lapping it up hoping one day that Rashford will be as good as Ronaldo.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by KingAlabi: 7:08pm On Apr 29, 2021
Make una dey try summarize this epistle now

E long gan
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 7:09pm On Apr 29, 2021
BARAJ92:
This is very funny, yet your MCM was fired after 2 seasons so Di Matteo is the greatest coach in chelsea history since he won the champions league in less than 6 months. Also Avram Grant is greater than Mourinho since he took Chelsea to their 1st Champions League final which Mourinho failed to do in all the years, he coach Chelsea.

None of the managers you mentioned here won Chelsea the league. Mourinho did on his debut and won it back to back. The only manager since Fergie to do so until Pep arrived.

Even Wenger was unable to successfully defend a league title.

Jose is the greatest manager Chelsea have ever hired in their history.

Ole is the most useless manager that has ever managed in the Premier League.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 7:10pm On Apr 29, 2021
SyIvalord:
By half time, we go know how things dey go na grin
Lol... You no wan learn from PSG abi?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 7:12pm On Apr 29, 2021
KingAlabi:

Mcfred no go kill this man angry

grin


Defence is more important to Ole than Attack.

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