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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Ellexy: 11:12am On May 20, 2022
Diogo Dalot has been told he is in Erik ten Hag's #mufc plans next season #mulive [@samuelluckhurst]

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Ellexy: 11:13am On May 20, 2022
#mufc have informed interested parties that the club currently have no intention of negotiating for Diogo Dalot #mulive [@samuelluckhurst]


undecided undecided undecided

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Ellexy: 11:14am On May 20, 2022
Paul Pogba has reservations about playing for #mufc against Crystal Palace over fears he could be targeted by visiting supporters #mulive [@RobDawsonESPN]
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Ellexy: 12:03pm On May 20, 2022
#mufc will listen to offers for Brandon Williams this summer. United have informed Williams they could not guarantee he would get fulfilling playing time back at the club. [Samuel Luckhurst, MEN]

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 1:30pm On May 20, 2022
afrodoc2:


To say AWB is great defensively is a bit of an overstatement. He is quite good in 1v1 duels but there are other aspects of defending that he is limited in. Defending involves more than just sliding like a skier.

Definitely. There are aspects where he has been found wanting.

No debates about that.

But it’s unfair when people blame you for failing to do the job of two people.

How can you mark a winger in your box and the opponent’s LB (who’s also close to your box) simultaneously? Sometimes it’s the opponent’s midfielder and winger.

All while your winger is looking on forlornly from midfield?

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 2:03pm On May 20, 2022
Leyqute:


Definitely. There are aspects where he has been found wanting.

No debates about that.

But it’s unfair when people blame you for failing to do the job of two people.

How can you mark a winger in your box and the opponent’s LB (who’s also close to your box) simultaneously? Sometimes it’s the opponent’s midfielder and winger.

All while your winger is looking on forlornly from midfield?

I think you are focusing on some specific situations in certain matches while what is happening here is a general overview and assessment. I would not call him a great overall defender. I fully agree that he is exceptional in 1v1 situations but he has been found wanting in positioning, awareness, decision making several times. Then he is really an eye sore going forward.

With his skillset the only big club that could have bought him was our clown-managed club. The fee of 50m is just extra punishment.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by maik99(m): 3:15pm On May 20, 2022
Godx:

The Hallmark of a good fullback is their 1v1 ability. A poor defensive fullback cannot be a beast in 1v1.

Lol wrong
Arnold is one of the best full backs in Europe and his 1-v-1 is not very strong

AWB has poor awareness and terrible positioning..
Good defensively una undecided

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Godx: 3:23pm On May 20, 2022
maik99:


Lol wrong
Arnold is one of the best full backs in Europe and his 1-v-1 is not very strong

AWB has poor awareness and terrible positioning..
Good defensively una undecided
Everybody castigates Arnold for being a poor defender. Arnold and Awb who is better defensively?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by maik99(m): 3:26pm On May 20, 2022
Godx:

Everybody castigates Arnold for being a poor defender. Arnold and Awb who is better defensively?

You are deliberately failing to see the point
No be sliding upandan be yardstick for tagging someone as being good defensively
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Godx: 3:31pm On May 20, 2022
maik99:


You are deliberately failing to see the point
No be sliding upandan be yardstick for tagging someone as being good defensively
You cannot be a beast 1v1 as a full back and be called a poor defender. You are the one not seeing the point. If Awb is a poor defender then what is Trent?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by maik99(m): 3:33pm On May 20, 2022
Godx:

You cannot be a beast 1v1 as a full back and be called a poor defender. You are the one not seeing the point. If Awb is a poor defender then what is Trent?

Would you rather have AWB or Trent?
I'm not going to say anything after this
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 5:07pm On May 20, 2022
Leyqute:


Criticism hasn’t always been fair on this page.
There’s always an agenda
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 5:11pm On May 20, 2022
maik99:


Would you rather have AWB or Trent?
I'm not going to say anything after this
Lmao Trent in this team would be getting trolled every gaddem day
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Ellexy: 5:39pm On May 20, 2022
maik99:


Would you rather have AWB or Trent?
I'm not going to say anything after this
If he answers you please inform me.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 5:44pm On May 20, 2022
Ellexy:
If he answers you please inform me.

Lol, are you sure you want Trent??

He loses possession stupidly just like Bruno cheesy cheesy
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 5:48pm On May 20, 2022
maik99:


Would you rather have AWB or Trent?
I'm not going to say anything after this

The subject is defending don't generalize it.

As far as it is defending (which is mostly defending in 1-1 situations ) AWB Is better.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by jargooflife912(m): 5:57pm On May 20, 2022
It seems Timber deal is done
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Ellexy: 6:01pm On May 20, 2022
Last few years as Trent and Bissaka were still upcoming, they were literally polar opposites.

One is technically gifted, an offensive menace but poor defensively. The other was technically poor, very poor in offense but considered a god in one on one defending.

Years later, one has grown to become defensively sound while his attacking prowess has only gotten better and better. The other fella meanwhile has added nothing to his game, still useless in offense, still poor technically, and has regressed defensively.

Question is what could have caused their careers to grow in opposite trajectory... Coaches, Mentality, Talent ceiling, Hardwork, Environment etc?

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Ellexy: 6:02pm On May 20, 2022
Expert17:


Lol, are you sure you want Trent??

He loses possession stupidly just like Bruno cheesy cheesy

So given Trent and Bissaka you'll choose Bissaka?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TrebleChamp(m): 6:10pm On May 20, 2022
See desperation from PSG owners, the first player he would sack is small goat grin. But can a club give a player this much power?

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 6:14pm On May 20, 2022
Ellexy:
Last few years as Trent and Bissaka were still upcoming, they were literally polar opposites.

One is technically gifted, an offensive menace but poor defensively. The other was technically poor, very poor in offense but considered a god in one on one defending.

Years later, one has grown to become defensively sound while his attacking prowess has only gotten better and better. The other fella meanwhile has added nothing to his game, still useless in offense, still poor technically, and has regressed defensively.

Question is what could have caused their careers to grow in opposite trajectory... Coaches, Mentality, Talent ceiling, Hardwork, Environment etc?

No need for all this long story. AWB never had the potential to be a great modem full back.

It’s easier to train a skilled player to become more defensively solid than it is to magically infuse skills and technique into a defensively solid player with no skill.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TrebleChamp(m): 6:17pm On May 20, 2022
Ellexy:
Last few years as Trent and Bissaka were still upcoming, they were literally polar opposites.

One is technically gifted, an offensive menace but poor defensively. The other was technically poor, very poor in offense but considered a god in one on one defending.

Years later, one has grown to become defensively sound while his attacking prowess has only gotten better and better. The other fella meanwhile has added nothing to his game, still useless in offense, still poor technically, and has regressed defensively.

Question is what could have caused their careers to grow in opposite trajectory... Coaches, Mentality, Talent ceiling, Hardwork, Environment etc?
Bad influence from teammates cool grin...
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by WhoDeyHause: 6:24pm On May 20, 2022
jargooflife912:
It seems Timber deal is done
Another flop.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 6:39pm On May 20, 2022
Ellexy:
Last few years as Trent and Bissaka were still upcoming, they were literally polar opposites.

One is technically gifted, an offensive menace but poor defensively. The other was technically poor, very poor in offense but considered a god in one on one defending.

Years later, one has grown to become defensively sound while his attacking prowess has only gotten better and better. The other fella meanwhile has added nothing to his game, still useless in offense, still poor technically, and has regressed defensively.

Question is what could have caused their careers to grow in opposite trajectory... Coaches, Mentality, Talent ceiling, Hardwork, Environment etc?

Environment
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 6:39pm On May 20, 2022
Ellexy:
So given Trent and Bissaka you'll choose Bissaka?

Read my post again.

The same fans that complain about their AM losing possession want a player/defender that is ranked no 1 in Europe for lost possession.

And the subject is defending as an RB, AWB is better.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 6:42pm On May 20, 2022
TrebleChamp:
See desperation from PSG owners, the first player he would sack is small goat grin. But can a club give a player this much power?

PSG are getting it all wrong. They look like another club where players have more authority than the coach.

Chelsea, Bayern, etc. have all won the UCL without an “Mbappé” in their ranks.

Football is a team game, not a one-man show. Having the best player in your ranks doesn’t guarantee success.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 7:36pm On May 20, 2022
Erik ten Hag with one more clear message on Cristiano Ronaldo: “Yes, Cristiano is magnificent footballer and a true winner - so I can’t wait to start working with him!”.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 7:36pm On May 20, 2022
Rangnick on Man United plans: "I'm now in contact with Erik ten Hag, we will meet soon. If we bring in the right players, mentality players, I am positive we will be able to bring this club back to the top".

"Maybe not possible in one window, but next two or three".

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 7:37pm On May 20, 2022
Rangnick: "I still strongly believe that there is a core of players [at the Club] who are top, good enough to play for this club."
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 7:38pm On May 20, 2022
Rangnick on his future role at mufc: "I think we showed at Hoffenheim, Salzburg and Leipzig that it is possible to identify, develop and sell — this is what is most important for whom it is the next logical step in their career."
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TrebleChamp(m): 7:39pm On May 20, 2022
GloryIsaac:


PSG are getting it all wrong. They look like another club where players have more authority than the coach.

Chelsea, Bayern, etc. have all won the UCL without an “Mbappé” in their ranks.

Football is a team game, not a one-man show. Having the best player in your ranks doesn’t guarantee success.
When some people have money they majorly didn't work for, the urge to spend it recklessly becomes a norm.....

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristoBam: 7:52pm On May 20, 2022
eph12:

He expects a good defensive fb to be able to mark more than one player at the same time always. I don't know if this makes sense but then they want AWB to mark his man, mark the opposition fb our winger has refused to track, and also opposition midfield players that swam that corner
Man sees the ball going through to a winger, doesn't attempt to intercept or anything. The ball gets to the winger and then he waits for the winger to make a run and Bam! He slides in. That's the only thing he's good at.

Awareness Zero
Positioning Zero

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