eph12:

I can't find that stat. If you find it, let us know

What do you think about the stat you posted?

patrickmuf:
Larride, it is obvious Elampiro just want to argue. Liverpool's attacking play is a function of the unit collectively...Van Dijk with one pass can open up the opposition defense, we don't have that at United. Robertson and Arnold are a big part of their attacking play, we don't have that too.
Our midfield when fit can do a job but only our first choice, an injury to one or two of our preferred starters and our midfield is in ruins.

In attack, I want to believe that under the right set up, Rashford and Martial can be as productive as Mane and Salah maybe not exactly but they'd offer much more.

So Dijk can pass better than Pogba?

How many tines last season and even in august this season that Pogba will make a long pass and Rashford first touch will take it sideways? So many through balls by James.

Passing also depends on who is capable of making use of it in a difficult situation

Stop comparing world class Mane and Salah to upcoming Rashford and Martial. Those guys in Liverpool are Ballon D'or products.

Mane might miss big chances but go and check, he must have dribbled defenders to such position in most of the times, not necessarily due to pass.

Neymar and Messi at one point were missing the highest number of big chances in Laliga. But one thing, they were the ones dribbling their ways into such positions to begin with.

elampiro:


So Dijk can pass better than Pogba?

How many tines last season and even in august this season that Pogba will make a long pass and Rashford first touch will take it sideways? So many through balls by James.

Passing also depends on who is capable of making use of it in a difficult situation

I am comparing Van Dijk passing ability with our CBs and not midfielders.

Thought balls by which James?

In Man United, the players who have created the most chances this season are Attacking Midfielders followed by Central Midfielders with Rashford and Young.

It is not like the attackers are even creating the most.

elampiro:
Stop comparing world class Mane and Salah to upcoming Rashford and Martial. Those guys in Liverpool are Ballon D'or products.

Mane might miss big chances but go and check, he must have dribbled defenders to such position in most of the times, not necessarily due to pass.

Not true, in their match against Everton, he missed 3 big chances courtesy of through balls from Henderson.

patrickmuf:
I am comparing Van Dijk passing ability with our CBs and not midfielders.

Thought balls by which James?

Player.............Minutes played .....Assists
Maguire..............15058................9
Dijk......................17098................4

Maguire has only Assisted 1 since coming to United. He Assisted 7 in Leicester and Hull. 1 for England in the world cup.

Dijk only started Assisting or has Assisted when he played in Liverpool for Ballon D'or candidates like Mane and Salah. Previous club nil. Netherlands nil.

patrickmuf:
Not true, in their match against Everton, he missed 3 big chances courtesy of through balls from Henderson.

How do you know those were big chances? Do you know how a big chance is recorded?

Henderson has created 7 big chances this season. You mean 3 came in one match against Everton?

Elampiro and Shalaye

elampiro:


How do you know those were big chances? Do you know how a big chance is recorded?

Henderson has created 7 big chances this season. You mean 3 came in one match against Everton?

Elampiro, I watch most of Liverpool and City games, I see how much chances their strikers miss yet they end up scoring 2 - 3 goals. I don't need your stat sites to tell me what I see regularly.

elampiro:


What do you think about the stat you posted?

Other strikers in the league have more big miss, can afford to because their team will dominate and create more chances

patrickmuf:
Elampiro, I watch most of Liverpool and City games, I see how much chances their strikers miss yet they end up scoring 2 - 3 goals. I don't need your stat sites to tell me what I see regularly.

Then you no sabi watch ball

elampiro:
Neymar and Messi at one point were missing the highest number of big chances in Laliga. But one thing, they were the ones dribbling their ways into such positions to begin with.

One thing about barca is that the team wins the ball back very quickly. Most times they win it in the opposition half. Of course you expect such team to create more chances, and lose more chances.

eph12:

Other strikers in the league have more big miss, can afford to because their team will dominate and create more chances

What if those players are responsible for the big chances in the first place due to their dribbling? A team with Messi or Maradona or Pele or Ronaldinho will create more chances due to their threat and dribbling in the attacking area.

See those teams that parked bus against us, it is Martial, James, Rashfird and Pereira duty to break them down with dribbling, close control etc. Park bus against Mane, Salah, Gabriel, Silva they will find a way. Even Nani those days.

Elampiro is just busy yarning dust.

It’s easy to see that he doesn’t watch Liverpool games. Imagine talking about Salah dribbling to create his chances or even Mané that has missed 15 big chances was dribbling to create chances.

larride:
Elampiro is just busy yarning dust.

It’s easy to see that he doesn’t watch Liverpool games. Imagine talking about Salah dribbling to create his chances or even Mané that has missed 15 big chances was dribbling to create chances.

Salah that ordinary Young used to lock down

elampiro:


Then you no sabi watch ball

Meaning wetin nitori olohun

eph12:

One thing about barca is that the team wins the ball back very quickly. Most times they win it in the opposition half. Of course you expect such team to create more chances, and lose more chances.

The fear that Messi, Suarez and co will wreck havoc on the opposition defence makes the other team and midfield to seat back in their half when they are playing Barca. Same with with Liverpool. But United, even relegation teams know that our attack is easily tamed. So they can venture

larride:
Elampiro is just busy yarning dust.

It’s easy to see that he doesn’t watch Liverpool games. Imagine talking about Salah dribbling to create his chances or even Mané that has missed 15 big chances was dribbling to create chances.

Salah and Mane have been closed to winning the Ballon D'or but where is any of our attackers?

Salah and Mane >>>> Rasfford and Martial. What I see these guys do, Mane, Salah, Sterling, is their ability to make the opposition defence get confused when they approach them zigzagly on the run. They know what to do where it matters most. Rashford is a very good dribbler on the run, but once in the tight box area he gets confused. Martial is weak far from the goal but a better dribbler near the opposition box with his close control. But none has what it takes to cause the big confusion with swift movement and close control in opposition box area

Missing big chances is not such an important stats compared to creating big chance. A player can miss a big chance he created for himself.

obainojazz:
Salah that ordinary Young used to lock down

Phil Jones once locked down Robben and Ribery at Old Trafford. He also did a decent job against Madrid inthe UCL in Spain. It didnt take a way the world class from the those players.

So if you are asked to choose, you will pick Martial and Rashford over Salah and Mane?

elampiro:


What if those players are responsible for the big chances in the first place due to their dribbling? A team with Messi or Maradona or Pele or Ronaldinho will create more chances due to their threat and dribbling in the attacking area.

See those teams that parked bus against us, it is Martial, James, Rashfird and Pereira duty to break them down with dribbling, close control etc. Park bus against Mane, Salah, Gabriel, Silva they will find a way. Even Nani those days.

And what is the duty of the other players against park the bus teams elampawa ?

elampiro:


The fear that Messi, Suarez and co will wreck havoc on the opposition defence makes the other team and midfield to seat back in their half when they are playing Barca. Same with with Liverpool. But United, even relegation teams know that our attack is easily tamed. So they can venture

Supporting cast and style of play does not matter? Don't let Messi and barca bots swear for you o

izzou:
Somebody showed you the stats of BIG CHANCES MISSED this season

Because you know this stat won't favor your argument, you decided to ask for THE PERCENTAGE OF BIG CHANCES MISSED



Have a great weekend, Elamps baba

I never argued that Mane is a better scorer than Rashford. But Mane is a better forward. He and Salah had a better ball control skill, quality first touch and positional sense. So they will ordinary invite passes more than our forwards.

Big chances missed doesn't reflect the quality of forward. Van Persie missed the highest number of big chances (23) in the EPL in 2012/2013 when we won the league. He won the golden boot that year. He was the best striker in the league but missed the highest number of big chances. In contrast, Rooney only missed 8 Chicharito 10

elampiro:


Phil Jones once locked down Robben and Ribery at Old Trafford. He also did a decent job against Madrid inthe UCL in Spain. It didnt take a way the world class from the those players.

So if you are asked to choose, you will pick Martial and Rashford over Salah and Mane?

Salah is not that good at dribbling... Rashford might even grow to be better than him.
Liverpool style suits Salah, he won't do Jack in Barcelona or most teams.. Liverpool defenders and midfielders always makes sure the ball gets to the box or close to the box as quickly as possible...

eph12:

And what is the duty of the other players against park the bus teams elampawa ?

Even the goalkeeper has a duty in a build up play, but it is the primary duty of the forward players to break down defence.

Mind you, elampawa is nit my moniker. You may be inviting a fight if you choose to go that angle.

elampiro:


I never argued that Mane is a better scorer than Rashford. But Mane is a better forward. He and Salah had a better ball control skill, quality first touch and positional sense. So they will ordinary invite passes more than our forwards.

Big chances missed doesn't reflect the quality of forward. Van Persie missed the highest number of big chances (23) in the EPL in 2012/2013 when we won the league. He won the golden boot that year. He was the best striker in the league but missed the highest number of big chances. In contrast, Rooney only missed 8 Chicharito 10

Ferdinand was saying how fergie scolded them that they should ensure the ball gets to Van Persie always... No matter where they are, they always looking for Van Persie...

obainojazz:
Ferdinand was saying how fergie scolded them that they should ensure the ball gets to Van Persie always... No matter where they are, they always looking for Van Persie...

Every coach does that. Depending on how a player is more likely to score. It is a common tactics sense. Which coach tells a player to give ball to a player that is unlikely score?

elampiro:


Every coach does that. Depending on how a player is more likely to score. It is a common tactics sense. Which coach tells a player to give ball to a player that is unlikely score?

So You can see why Van Persie has the highest chances missed

elampiro:


Even the goalkeeper has a duty in a build up play, but it is the primary duty of the forward players to break down defence.

Mind you, elampawa is nit my moniker. You may be inviting a fight if you choose to go that angle.

1. Nobody here has ever claimed that Rashford, Martial and James or Greenwood are at par with mane, salah and firmino. Not to talk of being better.
2. You're underestimating the importance of the extra bodies in attack especially against teams that sit back.
3. When a player is looking to cross, its ideal to have 1 or 2 more players in the box aside the striker. That's where the midfielders or defenders come in, depending on the moment
4. That's rarely the case when we play. In the past we had Ronaldo, Rooney, Teves, Saha, Chicha arriving at the box. At a time, Fletcher was doing that and delivering the goals.
5. In case you've forgotten, this is a gentle reminder. It's always important to have extra bodies in attack especially against teams sitting back.

There are some areas I have agreed or partially agreed with you. I am not just arguing to win argument. I have said our set pieces look weak to me. So may be we can give Kudos to Arnold. Nevertheless, we were scoring set plays last season when we had Fellaini, Lukaku and Smalling. Which makes one to ask, what has happened? We still have Mata who can cross well