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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 1:00am On Apr 19, 2021
Unlimited22:

This is what happens when you get Americans involved in football.

Everything becomes even more about money.

Just saw a meme where Joel Glazer mentioned it took him 2 years to understand the offside rule cheesy
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 1:01am On Apr 19, 2021
TrebleChamp:
This Club owner are only interested in making money, they don't care about football nor the fans. This is a very stupid move in my opinion...

Expect PSG to join after the 2022 World Cup grin

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 1:09am On Apr 19, 2021
Illimitable:


This is a good development.

The whole “Top 4” concept is well and truly over. Rewarding failure by the FA is one of the reasons United are stagnant.

Even if this Super League thing never takes off, this announcement will shake up things in the PL. The sharing of the prize money in the PL has to be addressed.

If the FA can make winning the league worth £500m more than finishing 2nd, I’m sure you will see a proper title race and proper investment from each club every season.

There’s already too much money in the Premier League, so such pay gap in the top 4 will make it even more ridiculous.

Unless they have to cut down on the prize money shared to other positions on the table so as to make the top 4 positions and especially the 1st more attractive.

Doing so will cause unrest from the smaller clubs who don’t have the revenue power to compete with the big clubs.

From another perspective, the Super League might just be the Glazers best excuse not to stress over player purchases as much, knowing fully well that the club’s position in the league will never be under threat.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 1:09am On Apr 19, 2021
TrebleChamp:
This Club owner are only interested in making money, they don't care about football nor the fans. This is a very stupid move in my opinion...

This is football elitism at its most impure. 15 clubs chosen because of their status and whose positions will never be threatened. This is similar to an old boy network whereby people get jobs and positions due to who they are and who they know rather than their ability, and in this case is the direct result of the Americanization of a European sport.

The first casualty will be the UEFA Champions League as people round the world won't be interested in watching Everton battle Valencia when you can watch Real vs Man City on the Super League telecast. Subsequently however, the national leagues will be affected as less and less money is generated (especially if the Super League teams are kicked out as threatened).

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 1:19am On Apr 19, 2021
UEFA will have to compromise in this case, either share more money to the clubs or bend to their offer. Issuing threats can only take them so far.

The clubs involved in this literally hold sway over world football as far as elite football is concerned. The sponsors, tv rights etc. will all migrate without blinking an eye.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 1:20am On Apr 19, 2021
GloryIsaac:


There’s already too much money in the Premier League, so such pay gap in the top 4 will make it even more ridiculous.

Unless they have to cut down on the prize money shared to other positions on the table so as to make the top 4 positions and especially the 1st more attractive.

Doing so will cause unrest from the smaller clubs who don’t have the revenue power to compete with the big clubs.

From another perspective, the Super League might just be the Glazers best excuse not to stress over player purchases as much, knowing fully well that the club’s position in the league will never be under threat.

Remove £50m each off the bottom 10’s TV/Prize money.

Give it to the winner of the PL. Make winning the league worth £500 more than finishing 2nd.

Every club would be spending at least £400m every summer to win the prize money. As it is, there’s no motivation to finish 1st as the difference between the champions and 4th placed club is less than £15m.

If I am Woodward, why would I need to spend £200m on players when the reward is less than £15m in prize money?

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 1:27am On Apr 19, 2021
GloryIsaac:
UEFA will have to compromise in this case, either share more money to the clubs or bend to their offer. Issuing threats can only take them so far.

The clubs involved in this literally hold sway over world football as far as elite football is concerned. The sponsors, tv rights etc. will all migrate without blinking an eye.

The 12 big clubs together are more powerful than UEFA/PL/FIFA.

UEFA is making it look like a moral issue when they are also there for the cash. Their brands will take a nosedive if the Super League becomes a reality.

DSTV, BEINSports, etc would stop bidding for PL games and rush to get the ESL. Who will watch Norwich vs West Brom when Barca vs Juventus is on TV? grin

Messi
Ronaldo
Hazard
Griezmann
Bruno
KDB
Kane
Salah
Mane
Pep
Mourinho
Simeone
Tuchel
Zidane
Etc

All these big names in the same league and people think UEFA/FIFA/FA have any leverage? grin cheesy

All these big football organizations are about to die.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 1:41am On Apr 19, 2021
Illimitable:


The 12 big clubs together are more powerful than UEFA/PL/FIFA.

UEFA is making it look like a moral issue when they are also there for the cash. Their brands will take a nosedive if the Super League becomes a reality.

DSTV, BEINSports, etc would stop bidding for PL games and rush to get the ESL. Who will watch Norwich vs West Brom when Barca vs Juventus is on TV? grin

Messi
Ronaldo
Hazard
Griezmann
Bruno
KDB
Kane
Salah
Mane
Pep
Mourinho
Simeone
Tuchel
Zidane
Etc

All these big names in the same league and people think UEFA/FIFA/FA have any leverage? grin cheesy

All these big football organizations are about to die.

Exactly. They hold no power in the real sense of it.

The emboldened is exactly why I’m indifferent on this. It’s all a tussle for whose pockets gets filled, not morality.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 1:50am On Apr 19, 2021
Illimitable:


Remove £50m each off the bottom 10’s TV/Prize money.

Give it to the winner of the PL. Make winning the league worth £500 more than finishing 2nd.


Every club would be spending at least £400m every summer to win the prize money. As it is, there’s no motivation to finish 1st as the difference between the champions and 4th placed club is less than £15m.

If I am Woodward, why would I need to spend £200m on players when the reward is less than £15m in prize money?

From a Manchester United perspective, it’s tenable to implement this, as the resources to go for first position are available.

But from a Fulham/Brighton/Burnley/Newcastle etc. perspective, this kills whatever competitive edge they might have had or hoped of having.

Those clubs can’t match the big clubs spending power as it is now, not to mention when the prize money is reduced to give to one big club that eventually finishes first.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Roland17(m): 2:16am On Apr 19, 2021
Illimitable:


The 12 big clubs together are more powerful than UEFA/PL/FIFA.

UEFA is making it look like a moral issue when they are also there for the cash. Their brands will take a nosedive if the Super League becomes a reality.

DSTV, BEINSports, etc would stop bidding for PL games and rush to get the ESL. Who will watch Norwich vs West Brom when Barca vs Juventus is on TV? grin

Messi
Ronaldo
Hazard
Griezmann
Bruno
KDB
Kane
Salah
Mane
Pep
Mourinho
Simeone
Tuchel
Zidane
Etc

All these big names in the same league and people think UEFA/FIFA/FA have any leverage? grin cheesy

All these big football organizations are about to die.

The revenue loss over the last two seasons because of COVID-19 is a huge incentive for these teams to join the super league and you make a very good point about UEFA and FIFA making this a moral problem than an economic/ money issue. Money/ greed has already overtaken moral/ club identity/ history and culture so that argument is a lost cause.

However, is there enough talent pool for everyone in the super league to compete fairly for? I doubt it.. Despite the influx of funds into the competition, the big ballers will still find ways to get the best players while the like of Spuds, Athletico and Arsenal will struggle to catch up.

These funds may improve the finances of the clubs but in comparison to whose? The other super league teams or the traditional European teams? Can Arsenal/ Spuds/ Athletico/ Milan compete against City/ Real Madrid/ Juventus/United/ Barcelona for players?

Football needs this reality check because it has been on a downward slope for a long time now..

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SyIvalord: 2:23am On Apr 19, 2021
This super league brouhaha is the biggest power play in football history. UEFA will surely succumb to the big clubs demands. This is what they get for selling football to the highest bidders.

UEFA and the League FAs should stop trying to take the high ground. They are greedy fûcks who are just scared of the damnation that will befall them if this super league kicks off.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 2:48am On Apr 19, 2021
It’s all about the money. And like Naira Marley said, “ole l’everybody”.

The PL, UEFA, FIFA are also greedy pigs. The clubs have watched the corruption and thieving in those associations so long and now want a taste of the big bucks.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 2:58am On Apr 19, 2021
As things stand next season's EPL Champion's league representatives will be Leicester, West Ham, Everton, Leeds. grin

PSG and Bayern will be rotating UCL between themselves.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 3:01am On Apr 19, 2021
afrodoc:


This is football elitism at its most impure. 15 clubs chosen because of their status and whose positions will never be threatened. This is similar to an old boy network whereby people get jobs and positions due to who they are and who they know rather than their ability, and in this case is the direct result of the Americanization of a European sport.

The first casualty will be the UEFA Champions League as people round the world won't be interested in watching Everton battle Valencia when you can watch Real vs Man City on the Super League telecast. Subsequently however, the national leagues will be affected as less and less money is generated (especially if the Super League teams are kicked out as threatened).
I don't think anybody can do much about it if the top clubs are in sync with the plan. fans and the likes of Gary Neville can only rant for a while and get on board. It will be the demise of the various FAs and by extension UEFA, they are all for the money as well.
FIFA will be careful here before deciding anything because it's not smooth sailing for them either.
people suggest the players for the clubs should be banned from FIFA World Cups if they don't leave the participating clubs. that doesn't even make sense. these players might be patriotic but not that patriotic.
why will Messi leave Barca and give up >£500k weekly to sign for Eibar so he can play for Argentina in a World Cup?
will fans ultimately care about a World Cup tournament if the best players are potentially Declan Rice or Dominic Calvert-Lewin?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:09am On Apr 19, 2021
afrodoc:


This is football elitism at its most impure. 15 clubs chosen because of their status and whose positions will never be threatened. This is similar to an old boy network whereby people get jobs and positions due to who they are and who they know rather than their ability, and in this case is the direct result of the Americanization of a European sport.

The first casualty will be the UEFA Champions League as people round the world won't be interested in watching Everton battle Valencia when you can watch Real vs Man City on the Super League telecast. Subsequently however, the national leagues will be affected as less and less money is generated (especially if the Super League teams are kicked out as threatened).

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 3:16am On Apr 19, 2021
afrodoc:

As things stand next season's EPL Champion's league representatives will be Leicester, West Ham, Everton, Leeds. grin

PSG and Bayern will be rotating UCL between themselves.

Mbappe with the UCL after beating West Ham in the final

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:36am On Apr 19, 2021
Football administration will take a new turn. Mostly if FIFA refuse to flow along the new concept.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 3:47am On Apr 19, 2021
ChristineC:
I don't think anybody can do much about it if the top clubs are in sync with the plan. fans and the likes of Gary Neville can only rant for a while and get on board. It will be the demise of the various FAs and by extension UEFA, they are all for the money as well.
FIFA will be careful here before deciding anything because it's not smooth sailing for them either.
people suggest the players for the clubs should be banned from FIFA World Cups if they don't leave the participating clubs. that doesn't even make sense. these players might be patriotic but not that patriotic.
why will Messi leave Barca and give up >£500k weekly to sign for Eibar so he can play for Argentina in a World Cup?
will fans ultimately care about a World Cup tournament if the best players are potentially Declan Rice or Dominic Calvert-Lewin?

I just read that it is billed to start in 2022. The Glazers must be so happy not having to deal with Champions League qualifications again. Next season United fit finish for relegation zone, after all they go still enter Super League anyhow anyhow.

You are right that if the clubs stay unified there is nothing UEFA and FIFA can do about it, and there is nothing that unifies like the hope of making money. Players will be enticed with the promise of skyrocketing salaries and the clubs will make their money from mega sponsorship deals and a more equitable share of the pot.

At the end of the day it is UEFA that will suffer the most, as well as as all the small clubs struggling to remain solvent in those countries as the trickle down effect of the solidarity payments will be lost. One way for the Super League to get people onside is to maintain the solidarity payments which although chicken change to them is a major source of income for some of the smaller clubs.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BARAJ92(m): 5:43am On Apr 19, 2021
Illimitable:


The team that reached final lost 2-7 to Bayern a season later under Poch. Imagine conceding 7 goals at home without a sending off. That same team was left in tatters in the 14th position - facing relegation.

Mourinho came in, polished the team up and got them as far up as 6th. Levy has refused to spend big because of new stadium, COVID and the announcement of the new European Super League.

Blaming Mourinho for Poch’s mess is quite rich.

Have some shame.
Spending 250 million in 2 years is not big, Spending over 140million euros is not large enough.

Man Utd lost 6-1 against Man city at home, yet still finish 2nd at the end of the season with same point with Man City in 2011 season. So losing 7-2 doesn't mean the team is not strong enough. Also Tottenham was just 3 points aways from 5th position and 2 point behind Man Utd who ended up finishing 3rd.
So, this your 14th to 6th story is not a worthy excuse for his failure last season at Tottenham.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 5:48am On Apr 19, 2021
Illimitable:


This is a good development.

The whole “Top 4” concept is well and truly over. Rewarding failure by the FA is one of the reasons United are stagnant.

Even if this Super League thing never takes off, this announcement will shake up things in the PL. The sharing of the prize money in the PL has to be addressed.

If the FA can make winning the league worth £500m more than finishing 2nd, I’m sure you will see a proper title race and proper investment from each club every season.
You make lots of sense.
Fifa and uefa are too selfish.
They should make the price money for the champions league 500 million dollars and the price money for the world cup 1 billion dollars and see how football will go back to the 90s and 2000s when players and football teams play football with their body, soul, spirit and blood.

Just imagine how the world cup will be even more bloody than wrestlemania in WWE grin if the price money should be 1 billion dollars.
Just imagine Brazil vs Germany, Argentina vs England, Nigeria vs spain.
Football will be too sweet to watch.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 6:10am On Apr 19, 2021
GloryIsaac:


From a Manchester United perspective, it’s tenable to implement this, as the resources to go for first position are available.

But from a Fulham/Brighton/Burnley/Newcastle etc. perspective, this kills whatever competitive edge they might have had or hoped of having.

Those clubs can’t match the big clubs spending power as it is now, not to mention when the prize money is reduced to give to one big club that eventually finishes first.
Bros we are talking about making football more competitive.
Who gives a Damm about fulham or newcastle? If they can't go and borrow money from lapo or money Lender to finance their club, who cares?

Football is no longer competitive except the world cup.
You think if the price for winning the champions league is about 1 billion naira, do you think Neymar will be laughing at bayern munich players after their last match? A player might just punch him in his girlish face.

Atleast the new super league will give us memories of gatuso, zambrota where if you miss the ball, don't miss the leg.
The days where a player can bite people, the days where players will almost come to blows, the days where tension is always high where you can see six red cards in a game.

I think football for the past seven years now have been very feminine.
Imagine players playing football like women, what Nonsense.
We want to go back to the days of brutal football, don't you want to see matches like Ac Milan vs Liverpool in 2005 final again?
The days of barcelona vs Arsenal 2006 final.
The days of france vs italy world cup finals when zidane gave a flying heading to that italian player?

My whole point is that football is now boring.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 6:21am On Apr 19, 2021
If the price money for the world cup is 5 billion naira.
China will appoint Jetli as their football coach.
USA will appoint The undertaker as their football coach.

England will appoint may weather as their football coach.

Russia will appoint the son of Osama biladen as their football coach.

Then imagine USA playing Russia in a world cup final.
The summary of the match will be 16 red cards, 40 yellow cards including staffs, 500 deaths including fans and 50 thousand injuries.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nezzjnr: 6:31am On Apr 19, 2021
What rubbish is this na

These guys are about to ruin football
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nezzjnr: 6:33am On Apr 19, 2021
GloryIsaac:
Update - Champions League and Europa League matches are temporarily suspended.

SuperLeague official statement:
Chairman: Florentino Perez (Real Madrid)
Vice-chairman: Andrea Agnelli (Juventus)
Vice-chairman: Joel Glazer (Man United)
Also: Andrea Agnelli is set to resign as president of ECA.
Ahhhh.... Glazer as Vice Chairman??

Na money these ones dey find
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 6:35am On Apr 19, 2021
CardiNice:
If the price money for the world cup is 5 billion naira.
China will appoint Jetli as their football coach.
USA will appoint The undertaker as their football coach.

England will appoint may weather as their football coach.

Russia will appoint the son of Osama biladen as their football coach.

Then imagine USA playing Russia in a world cup final.
The summary of the match will be 16 red cards, 40 yellow cards including staffs, 500 deaths including fans and 50 thousand injuries.
I'm still trying to look for the sense in all your opinion but sadly I didn't see it. Football no be fight and yes while rivalry is good, football fights and fouls don't make the game interesting. If na fight we wan watch, wrestling, boxing and MMA dey na

And incase you don't know, it's the money that made football players become Sissies in the first place and not the other way round.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nezzjnr: 6:36am On Apr 19, 2021
Glazer's hand is written in all these

Perez as the Chairman na just to disguise


Glazer is an asshole
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 6:47am On Apr 19, 2021
Nezzjnr:
Glazer's hand is written in all these

Perez as the Chairman na just to disguise


Glazer is an asshole


You don't know Perez. He has been pushing for this for years. He and the Glazers are in sync on this one. There are elements of the American sports model as well as the unbalanced La Liga model in this project.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 6:58am On Apr 19, 2021
I am really happy that VDB got an assist yesterday. That was a much needed morale booster.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BlueMann: 7:03am On Apr 19, 2021
CardiNice:
Bros we are talking about making football more competitive.
Who gives a Damm about fulham or newcastle? If they can't go and borrow money from lapo or money Lender to finance their club, who cares?

Football is no longer competitive except the world cup.
You think if the price for winning the champions league is about 1 billion naira, do you think Neymar will be laughing at bayern munich players after their last match? A player might just punch him in his girlish face.

Atleast the new super league will give us memories of gatuso, zambrota where if you miss the ball, don't miss the leg.
The days where a player can bite people, the days where players will almost come to blows, the days where tension is always high where you can see six red cards in a game.

I think football for the past seven years now have been very feminine.
Imagine players playing football like women, what Nonsense.
We want to go back to the days of brutal football, don't you want to see matches like Ac Milan vs Liverpool in 2005 final again?
The days of barcelona vs Arsenal 2006 final.
The days of france vs italy world cup finals when zidane gave a flying heading to that italian player?

My whole point is that football is now boring.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BlueMann: 7:04am On Apr 19, 2021
afrodoc:



You don't know Perez. He has been pushing for this for years. He and the Glazers are in sync on this one. There are elements of the American sports model as well as the unbalanced La Liga model in this project.

What about that Juventus guy, Agnelli or so? He too has a huge hand in this

Modified: Just saw that he'll be one of the vice chairmen, as suspected.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nezzjnr: 7:08am On Apr 19, 2021
afrodoc:



You don't know Perez. He has been pushing for this for years. He and the Glazers are in sync on this one. There are elements of the American sports model as well as the unbalanced La Liga model in this project.
These guys are ruining Football

Now you get to see big matches every week and it'll be getting so used to everyone
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc(m): 7:19am On Apr 19, 2021
BlueMann:


What about that Juventus guy, Agnelli or so? He too has a huge hand in this

Modified: Just saw that he'll be one of the vice chairmen, as suspected.

Yeah Agnelli is one of the major forces behind it. People like Abramovic and Kroenke must have been co-opted, and Kroenke will never reject a money making venture like this.

It will be interesting to see what the Barca and Bayern fans have to say about this project.

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