crossman9:

this is scraping the barrel this one is interesting I will say but this would take the warming of blood hyperaemia would need to take place the person could not “e,ja,cula,te” was she committing an act of necrophilia this show you are searching the world of science not the truth of the bible

downloaded the skype thingy yesterday. froze my computer up. i couldnt even post nothing. i think i need more RAM. anyway meet me here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-877162.0.html#msg10249630

FXKing2012:

Sodom was destroyed cos it was a city filled with all manner of filth. The city was filled with homo.sexuals, pros.titutes, etc etc. That time was the dispensation of conscience and their consciences must have been warning them to desist from their evil ways but obviously they didnt listen.

Now let me ask u: do u think it's possible to mastur-bate without defiling your mind?
I provided a link about a woman who got a dead man to achieve erec-tion in the US, the case is even a court case at the moment. This shows it is possible to mastur-bate for medical reasons or whatever and not get your mind defiled. It's just your body responding to stimulus. You need to understand the science behind it.

Dispensation of COnscience? Should things not be better now that God's Spirit dwells in us?

What is their conscience didn't warn them, like you and your pastor? Don't speculate on whether their conscience warned them or not.

TO your question
I BELIEVE Fluid EJECTION CAN BE INDUCED WITHOUT HAVING (EVIL) THOUGHTS, self-service HOWEVER CANNOT BE DONE WITHOUT DOING WRONG!
Mast.ur.bation=stroke geni.tals: to give yourself or somebody else intimate pleasure by stroking the genitals, usually to heavenly feeling
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Finally, your link has nothing to do with what we are saying here. THe man that produced the Fluid was DEAD!!!!!!! He didn't initiate the action. IT has no bearing at all with deliberate self stroking!

Let me ask you people a question: God forbid but suppose a man's wife becomes ill and had to be hospitalized for, say 6 months, would you consider the man a sinner or convict him of moral turpitude, if he refuses to have sex outside of his marriage and instead turns to the so-called self service? I think not. Now if he does the act while watching por.no or weird magazines, that would be wrong.

This pastor is on point

this preacher is under spiritual attack!  he should really seek the face of God coz many people were not happy with his success; they all waited for a little something and here they all are calling him names; they have forgotten all the good preachings he has preached; he should watch out those new friends  of the last few years; because  when you're doing well(like he did), some people will come as friends just to destroy you; rather stay alone and mocked but with God than to be among some kind of polluting people;

but if we look at it closely, for God to allow such a preacher to be humiliated publicly like that, it means that the so called preacher must have gone astray somewhere and didn't listen to God's warnings , unless it is just what was hidden that came out!

We are Commanded in the Bible not to make Money out of the Gospel
Here are all the scriptures
Matthew 10:5-20
Matthew 10:7As you go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.'
Matthew 10:8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.
Matthew 10:9Do not take along any gold or silver or copper in your belts;
Matthew 10:10take no bag for the journey, or extra tunic, or sandals or a staff; for the worker is worth his keep.
Matthew 10:11"Whatever town or village you enter, search for some worthy person there and stay at his house until you leave.
Matthew 10:12As you enter the home, give it your greeting.
(N.I.V) 1 Corinthians 9:18 What then is my reward? Just this: that in preaching the gospel I may offer it free of charge, and so not make use of my rights in preaching it.
(K.J.V) 1 Corinthians 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
1 Corinthians 9:19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
2 Corinthians 2:17 (New International Version,)
(N.I.V) 2 Corinthians 2:17 Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, as those sent from God.
2 Corinthians 2:17 (King James Version)
2 Corinthians 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:6 I may indeed be untrained as a speaker, but I do have knowledge. We have made this perfectly clear to you in every way. 7 Was it a sin for me to lower myself in order to elevate you by preaching the gospel of God to you free of charge?

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
New Living Translation (©2007)
2 Peter 2:3 In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
2 Peter 2:3 And by greed and fictitious accounts they will make profit among you, these whose judgment from the first has not been idle and their destruction does not sleep.

Matthew 16:26 What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?

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this preacher is under spiritual attack!  he should really seek the face of God coz many people were not happy with his success; they all waited for a little something and here they all are calling him names; they have forgotten all the good preachings he has preached; he should watch out those new friends  of the last few years; because  when you're doing well(like he did), some people will come as friends just to destroy you; rather stay alone and mocked but with God than to be among some kind of polluting people 

IF HE WAS A GODLY MAN THEN HE WOULD NOT BE UNDER ATTACK THIS IS JUST THE START THIS DEMIgod is at an end soon

gosh crossman9 where the heck do you get those piucs from?   

i make them with the computer some i edit but most i make to make clear what i am saying bless you

Pastor Chris didnt say it's ok. He told the guy to stop it. He only said its not a sin agaInst God.

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Let me make something very clear here: I have never mastur-bated and I will never do it. But for pastor Chris to say it's ok, I believe him becos he is a very learned man in the things of the spirit and would never say something is ok if it isn't

I believe him becos he is a very learned man in the things of the spirit and would never say something is ok if it isn't

which spirit you have just prove my case here you follow him and not the spirit of God and more you don't read your bible its high time you start to read your bible i say this with love?

Ephesians 4:15

New International Version (NIV)

15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ.

FXKing2012:

Let me make something very clear here: I have never mastur-bated and I will never do it. [b]But for pastor Chris to say it's ok, I believe him becos he is a very learned man in the things of the spirit and would never say something is ok if it isn't.[/[/b]color]

[size=8pt][color=#000099]AND THAT IS THE END OF SOLOMON GRANDY!!!!! THIS ONE IS OYAKHILOMIC INFALLIBILITY[/size]

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FXKing2012:

Let me make something very clear here: I have never mastur-bated and I will never do it. But for pastor Chris to say it's ok, I believe him becos he is a very learned man in the things of the spirit and would never say something is ok if it isn't.

Fx,

Brother, I think you ought to check your statement again. Read it to yourself and maybe think of a revision!!!

If Pastor Chris say its ok to commit atrocities and your mind (conscience) tells you otherwise, would you still go ahead?

Pastor worship at it's extreme.

Pastor Chris never said it was ok to go on a joy ride, he only re-iterated what the the bible says and so far he was right. The bible never condemned m@sturbation and that is the annoying fact.

If Pastor Chris say its ok to commit atrocities and your mind (conscience) tells you otherwise, would you still go ahead?

Pastor worship at it's extreme.

you have said it clear praise God

FXKing2012:

Let me make something very clear here: I have never mastur-bated and I will never do it. [b]But for pastor Chris to say it's ok, I believe him becos he is a very learned man in the things of the spirit and would never say something is ok if it isn't.[/b]

Joagbaje:

Pastor Chris didnt say it's ok. He told the guy to stop it. He only said its not a sin agaInst God.

See two pastor chris officials that told us mastuba.tion is not a sin going against themselves here. They dont't even know exactly what their master said. Hence they are confused and defending him on this forum without being sure on his words.

One said, pastor chris said it's ok and he believed him simply because he is a man learned in the things of the spirit and will never say something is ok if it isn't ok but the other official said, pastor chris didn't say it's ok and they are both pastor chris official. It is clear how people are pastor worshippers. They will go any length to absorb the pastor's word than absorb the word of God. Pastor said it and you blieve it is right even if the word of God says it is wrong.

Obviously and very clear, your argument here since the beginning of this thread is not based on weather you even believe the word of God or not, it is based on the fact that a man/pastor said it is not a sin against God. Now I see why you can tell us to point specifically where the bible mentioned masturbat.ion as a sin. I also see why you come up with all sort of formulations and devised stories to argue for masturba.tion not being a sin. So you can believe your pastor at the detriment of believing the word of God.

I know the word of God stands sure and forever.

The life of Pastor chris has definitely improved crossman's usage of coreldraw or whatever. where did you get those caricatures from? lol.

"'When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Any clothing or leather that has semen on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. When a man lies with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening. (Lev 15:16-18)

Notice verse 18 deals with seminal emission during sexual intercourse, but verse 16 is speaking of a seminal emission that does not occur as a result of intercourse. If this is indeed a reference to masturbation, the matter-of-fact way in which God deals with this matter certainly indicates that no feelings of shame should be attached to it. He simply said, "Go take a bath."

It seems to me that if God were really bothered by such a practice, then He missed a teachable moment here in this passage. Since He clearly condemns sexual intercourse between men in Leviticus 18:22 and says "that is detestable", I think that if He had really wanted us to avoid this particular practice, He would at least have said something like "That is disgusting" instead of "Go take a bath."

Masturbation has been around for a long time, and since God does not clearly condemn it, I would not be too bothered with it either. Masturbation is practice far more than adultery or fornication yet God is practically silent on the issue. This ought to tell you that God is not overly concern with it.

However, let me caution you against addiction to masturbation. Just like most things, masturbation can turn into an addiction. If you find yourself constantly—several times a day—masturbating then you can be reasonably sure that you have a sexual addiction. Paul said, "'Everything is permissible for me'—but I will not be mastered by anything" (1 Cor 6:12). This includes masturbation. Also, you should never use pornography to masturbate, and if you are married, keep your thoughts on your wife. It is the same sin to make love to your wife while thinking about another woman as it is to masturbate while thinking about another woman. Concerning single people, I have no advice other than a prohibition to pornography.

If a believer uses masturbation to alleviate sexual temptation that's far better than actually being tempted to commit fornication or adultery. I would rather have a man masturbate than go to a prostitute.

Another thought, if masturbation is sinful, then you would expect there to be bad health consequences to it, such as found in adultery, homosexuality, and fornication (diseases for one thing). Instead, research has found that masturbation serves to release sexual tension. If a man is prevented from having sexual release, then the seminal fluids can back up, causing increased sexual tension and physical discomfort. It also increases the risk of prostate inflammation. This might explain why priests who practice celibacy and who view masturbation as sinful have a higher rate of prostate cancer.

Since there are proven medical benefits to masturbation, it is difficult to make a biblical and reasonable case against it.

The life of Pastor chris has definitely improved crossman's usage of coreldraw or whatever. where did you get those caricatures from? lol.

there is more i am working on somthing for the church that make you laugh

The life of Pastor chris has definitely improved crossman's usage of coreldraw or whatever. where did you get those caricatures from? lol.

there is more i am working on somthing for the church that make you laugh

check out this new post here people on niraland
all you can eat of this false teacher

Things Pastor Chris Oyakhilome Has Stated As Errors & False Teaching From Bible?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-875713.0.html

Oh my lord, this level of debate over self-service?

Wahala dey.


Though its good business for p.orn marketers however.

But i think what the bible says is if a man cannot hold himself he should marry, not if a man cant hold himself he should m.asturbate.

Am i wrong?

I'm assuming serious christians are posting on this thread?

in one hour i will fininsh the transcripit of the video so you can break it down fully bless you all this is torture watching over and over again to make this i want a thank you when dont please and and prase the lord all night for this work

This thread really exposed a lot about we Christians.

lol much ado about wanking

I suppose one of the point made by the pastor may be right, if you eliminate the guilt that come after masturbating and see it as a normal habit that you'll like to stop it may be more easier to drop the habit. IMO

Warnings and Encouragements

(NIV) Luke 12:1 Meanwhile, when a crowd of many thousands had gathered, so that they were trampling on one another, Jesus began to speak first to his disciples, saying: “Be[a] on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

(NIV) Luke 12:2 There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. 3 What you have said in the dark will be heard in the daylight, and what you have whispered in the ear in the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the roofs.
These are the words of them talking and they were painstakingly typed out for all the defenders of evil pastors and there false doctrines?

I.e. Christ Embassy Members 

These are the words of them talking and they were painstakingly typed out for all the defenders of evil pastors and there false doctrines? I.e. Christ Embassy Members 
Who love there pastor more than the truth of the bible his word is God’s word to them
This shows the complete conflict of lies from  the truth form the bible which exposes them?
Transcribe for the spiritual blind people in Christ embassy

Rev. Ray Okocha (“Word Alive”. program)
Also the (Secretary-General) (Believer’s’ Love World Inc.)
Pastor Chris Oyakhilome:

From Kwaku (Ghana)

Question: from Ghana how does one overcome ma.st.ur.ba.tion?


1. Rev. Ray Okocha Ha-ma ha- firstly it’s a thing of the mind, you’ve allowed the chance that you have to become a habit to you I am sure and a problem to you; am its first stop It! and you have the power to do that as a child of God, if you don’t want something you can stop it! So don’t think about it! Don’t go in that direction and stop it! And you obviously have a problem with it?  That’s why you are in need of distribution a and the bibles says: (KJV) Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure ____and the ability of Christ in is you can if you don’t want it you can stop it.

2. Pastor Chris Oyakhilome: it’s really that simple, the question is how does someone overcome ma.st.ur.ba.tion?

3. The reason your thinking about it the reason is it’s become a habit for you,
4. it’s the way you stop any habit,

5. see ma.st.ur.ba.tion it not em more of habit than any other habit ok SO

6. Once you make up your mind you “don’t”!! You want to break a particular habit, you do it, you stop you just it-stop it!!!

7. By getting em your mind to think of something else in fact the way the way destroy a habit is replace that habit with another habit,


8. That is the habit of not doing it see!!
9. But there is something I would like to- I would like to- bring to your mind that may be of help to you because the reason,
10. em you want to stop this is!!!
11. Is because of what you think it is!!
12. If you were in the habit of em playing football you probably would not ask us!!
13. How can I stop playing football?
14. Because you think there is something wrong with this!!!
15. Alright so that is where your problem is coming from.

16. But no matter how wrong it is!!! in your mind!!!
17. Get this straight in its self!

18. It is not a sin against God.

19. Now I say that for a reason!
20. There is many Christians think that is a sin against God em?
21. and Satan use it in oppressing them
22. oppressing their minds and making them feel ineffective

23. and inefficient in the things of God

24. But once you get to understand!!

25. It’s got nothing to do with God

26. It all about you and your own body
27. Then Satan loses his power to use it!!
28. To accuse you!!!
29. Alright!!
30. So if you don’t like it stop!!!

31. But Gods got nothing to do with it!!!

32. Its your own body

33. ma.st.ur.ba.tion is about you and your body

34. and Em and

35. God is not offended by it.

36. He is only offended by any habit that takes hold of your mind?
37. And if this takes a hold of your mind and dominates you?
38. God is offended by the fact that you let yourself become enslaved by any habit by what so every?
39. So let’s first of all take the power away from Satan to accuse you?

40. When it’s got nothing to do with God

41. in the whole bible
42. It doesn’t say anything about ma.st.ur.ba.tion?
43. Well Now somebody may say –
44. What about Lasciviousness
45. What about Uncleanness
46. That’s not the meaning of ma.st.ur.ba.tion
47. But you can have Lasciviousness and Uncleanness in ma.st.ur.ba.tion and as well in many other things that people do?
48. You see
49. So there not isolated to ma.st.ur.ba.tion its self
50. Uncleanness can be something about your mind ok
51. Thoughts that you bring in your mind 
52. Uncleanness can be having ah, ah this kind of s,e,x,u,a,l relations with an animal?
53. That is Uncleanness
54. In fact that is more of what the bible calls Uncleanness than anything else!!
55. And then am ah en ah!!
56. Homosexuality is Uncleanness that’s what God means by Uncleanness
57. These are all the things it talks about?
58. So just be clear that Satan should have no power of dominion over you as far as this is concerned!
59. It can be a dirty habit
60. It can be a habit you don’t like?

61. Or its got nothing to do with God

62. God is not thinking about it!

63. So you want to stop it
64. Stop it like any other thing
65. And it’s always easier to be able to stop things like this when you know!!!!!
66. God will have no problem with it!! 
67. As long as you are!!!
68. Oppressed by Satan the same devil will push you to do something
69. And make you believe God is against it, so he can you use it to condemn you 
70. But once you know!!

71. Gods got nothing to do with it

72. And Satan does not have the power to accuse you with it
73. You will find you will not even do it anymore?
74. See you, you, you just you just don’t just don’t do it
75. If you don’t like it
76. It’s,- it’s  just over
77. And you win?


Alright there is another one here
Siphilisiwe (Croydon United kingdom) question can apostles and prophets be ordained just as pastors are ordained by senior ministers

this just shows the real evil of this church and it is a worker of evil check out my page and posts

what's the reason for masturbation?

tpia@:

what's the reason for self-service?

do you really want to know?

Fxking2012 is a confirmed dullard going by the Christian standards. Chai i even sabi plenty pass am.

Pastor Joe, hmmm, i smh for you sha. Anyway, someone like myself will feel liberated in your church than being in deeper life or other church where the daily sermon is always on sin sin sin, piousness, salvation, righteousness, flee from sin, flee from sin etc as if its not everyone who sins and also self service. you get my drift.

Another thing you people fail to note is, ma.s.turbation will eventually lead you to have sexz, it must lead you to experience the better feeling. Dont be fooled, thats the main aim of ma.s.tu.rbation, in the sense that when you see the opportunity to have sexz, you will never blink twice. Guess i'm right