tpia@:

What a very warped sense of morality you display.

Not surprised, with the way you flirt with everything in skirt on nl.

See yourself now?

tpia@, this is not the time to prove your holier than thou attitude.
that some people are in the other divide in this debate does not make them masturbators. . . .
learn to dissociate topical issues from personal stuff. attack the issue, leave the personal stuff out of it.

^Is there a particular reason why you, denzel (he wishes) and debosky are following me all over nl?

Not that i care to know but just thought i should point it out in case you think i didnt notice.

As per masturbation- go through my posts on this topic ONE MORE TIME and discover yourself projecting on others.

My contributions to the thread have been very sensible and down to earth- if you cant see that then e no concern me.

An addiction is an addiction and as i pointed out before, if you must waank everytime you see a member of the opposite s.ex walk by, then there is a problem.

If you call yourself a christian and are in such a situation, then maybe you should consider getting help.

Matthew 5:27-28

New International Version (NIV)


Adultery
    27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[a] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Footnotes:a.Matthew 5:27 Exodus 20:14
In the Sermon on the Mount, the Lord Jesus must have shocked the people of His day when He equated lust to ADULTERY! His actual words about lust being adultery are:


"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed ADULTERY with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into HELL."
Please note the serious consequences of lust (mental adultery). According to Jesus, it's possible to end up in Hell over lust! Therefore, the sin of lust must not be taken lightly, as many church people do.


While driving down the road and listening to a teaching, my wife and I heard a prime example of taking lust far too lightly. The following dialog transpired between a phone caller [Archie] and the host [Gil] after the host presented a hypothetical situation involving lusting over a woman while driving. This is what Archie referred to when he told Gil that he used his "example of driving in the car."



Archie: "Gil, you used my example of driving in the car."
Gil: "Oh, so you been looking at [lusting after] women, too, huh?"
Archie: "Oh, yeah, all the time."
Gil: [an outburst of laughter].
The chief aim of this article is to provide the sobering facts regarding "lust," as used in Matthew 5:28. While some downplay the serious consequences of lust and mental adultery, others wrongly think the slightest and quickest visual contact on another's body is always adultery. The latter will be greatly relieved to learn this is not so! Similarly, remember this: Temptation in itself is not a sin. Jesus was tempted (Heb. 2:18; 4:15), yet Jesus never sinned (2 Cor. 5:21). Therefore, temptation is not a sin. It only becomes a sin when you yield to it.


The Greek word rendered "lustfully" (Matt. 5:28, NIV) is found elsewhere and translated in such a way as to help us know the lust the Lord equated to mental adultery. This same exact word is found in Lk. 15:16 and Lk. 16:21. It's also significant to note that Jesus gave us these other usages. Hence, he chose to use the same exact word in these other teachings as he chose to use in Matt. 5:28! Respectfully, those verses say:



He [the Prodigal] longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.

And [Lazarus was] longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
The facts surrounding the sad circumstances of the Prodigal Son and Lazarus, two other places where Jesus also used the word rendered "lustfully" as mentioned in Matt. 5:28, help us to better understand its meaning. Regarding its usage by the Lord in Luke's gospel, it seems evident that this word carries a meaning with it that makes it much deeper than just a casual glance at a woman, as some wrongly think. To substantiate this, Strong's Concordance defines this word as "to set the heart upon, i.e. long for" (emphasis his, Greek Dictionary, p.31, no. 1937).


Again, a casual glance at the opposite sex is not the lust in the heart being referred to in Matt. 5:28. However, when actual lust does occur, that is, when one "longs for" another, then adultery is actually committed! To deny that it is adultery is to indirectly doubt the Lordship of Jesus Christ! This also clearly refutes the statement I've often heard -- "It's okay to look [meaning lust], but not to touch." Jesus never taught lust was okay! Nowhere is this form of adultery through lust, though solely mental, less serious than other forms, although many treat it as such! Remember, Jesus said it can send one to Hell (Matt. 5:29)! Could He be wrong?


How awesome to ponder this fact in regard to all of the pornographic literature that can be found in this country, which generates lust. Mental adultery is rampant! Truly, this is an "adulterous generation," as Jesus said.


Recently, while waiting to see someone with whom I had an appointment, his office radio was tuned in to a secular station which had a "Penthouse Pet" on as a guest. This woman posed 60 times for Penthouse magazine, yet was hailed as some great celebrity and heroine. She showed no remorse for those sinful acts. Only on Judgment Day will it be revealed how many millions of men committed adultery through lust with that whorish woman. What a fine servant Satan has in that woman, who shamefully is the envy of many women in our country!


Men committing mental adultery through lust should also be a sobering thought for women who profess to be Christian and desire to please their Lord. Paul wrote that women are to dress "modestly" (1 Tim. 2:9), yet at the same time, Paul was a grace teacher in the truest sense. So this isn't "law" as some accuse, but simple obedience! To disregard the way you dress might possibly be stumbling another into adultery! (The same applies to a man and his dress, for women can lust too.) Read what Jesus said in Matt. 18:6 about stumbling another into sin and marvel at this! Furthermore, regarding this whole matter of mental adultery, a woman who dresses with the intent to make men lust after her is on a par with a LovePeddler!


In our generation, TV is the prime way people lust and commit mental adultery. Even while watching the news report sometimes one is exposed to spiritually unwholesome scenes, which the devil is pleased to present. These spiritual pollutants flood into homes across our land, then people wonder why they are having trouble with lust! I personally believe that more adultery is committed before the TV set through lust than anywhere else!


Furthermore, it's a sad day when people who profess to be God's servants are ensnared by their TV as their precious free time is spent never to be regained! Our generation will have to account for this incredible waste of time at the Judgment. Please note I mentioned "our generation" since television has only been available commercially since just after World War II. (TV as a means of distraction and intimate temptation, is something which the Twelve never had. Moreover, there will be no TV's in Heaven!) Remember this: Before the invention of TV, Christians got along fine without ever watching it! You can too! In fact, since my wife and I stopped watching all secular TV of any kind, including the Super Bowl, we get along much better without it! By this I mean we have much more time to labor for the Kingdom in one form or another besides the other advantages of not being tempted to lust or adopt the world's values in the first place.


If you are having trouble with lust (and mental adultery) or know someone who is, the remedy, in part, is to cut off the source of temptation! It's that simple. If literature is the lust temptation, then stop going near it. If it's TV or movies, stop watching them. This is what you are to STOP doing. Paul wrote: "Clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature" (Rom. 13:14). Also, remember sinful desires such as lust (adultery) are warring against your soul (1 Pet. 2:11). You must war back or be conquered. A fight is a fight and not a "bed of roses"!


Furthermore, to get victory over lust, you should START spending more time in the Bible meditating on and memorizing certain verses! Hiding God's word in your heart will stop those mental temptations.  The unnamed writer of Ps. 119 both prayed and hid God's word in his heart so he would not sin against God: "Do not let me stray from your commands. I have hidden your word in my heart that I might not sin against you" (Ps. 119:10,11). We all need to humbly follow this example.


In summary, victory over sin (including lust) is not just what you do but also what you don't do! In other words, starve your sinful nature (by not thinking about how to gratify it) and feed your spirit with God's word (by meditating in Scripture). Your voluntary thoughts, that is, the thoughts you choose to ponder when free to think about anything you want, are extremely important. Relevantly, Rom. 8:5 says, "Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires." The following poem states it beautifully.



Two natures beat within my bosom.
The one is cursed, the other is blessed.
The one I love, the other I hate.
The one I feed will dominate!
Similarly, Paul wrote, "The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life" (Gal. 6:.


In the Old Testament, we also read of lust in passages like Prov. 6:25,26: "Do not lust in your heart after her beauty or let her captivate you with her eyes, for the LovePeddler reduces you to a loaf of bread, and the adulteress preys upon your very life." Again, lust leads to disaster! Therefore, do not take this sin lightly.


By the way, the word rendered "lustfully" in Matt. 5:28 is used in a good sense in 1 Tim. 3:1 and Heb. 6:11. This latter verse reads: "And we desire that every one of you do show the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end"


Unlike the Calvinists, Paul emphasized free will and human responsibility. (He did this without contradicting his own grace message.) He wrote, "Keep yourself pure" (1 Tim. 5:22). Undoubtedly, many will have to make MAJOR TV changes to obey this command! Victory over TV and lust will benefit you and others in this life and throughout eternity, but get ready for the battle regarding it!


Job was the most unique man on earth in his day -- being blameless, upright, a man that feared God and shunned evil (Job 1:. This man said of himself, "I made a covenant with my eyes not to look lustfully at a girl" (31:1). This is also very important in our day in light of Matt. 5:28,29 and the rampancy of pornographic literature, movies and commercials in our vile country, which generates lust.


Paul wrote, "Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: intimate immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry" (Col. 3:5). Please note: it's your responsibility coupled with the power of God (Rom. 8:13) that is the victory over lust.


It might surprise some to learn that Jesus used the Greek word from which we get our word "Indecency" in Rev. 22:15, and stated that along with some others, such are "outside" the city of New Jerusalem. (In that verse, the word is rendered "the sexually immoral," NIV.) If we compare Rev. 21:8 to this same verse, we know their specific location is clearly the lake of fire!



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LovePeddler and Prostitution Research and Education
The Slavery, Bondage and Controlling Power of Sin
I am a indecency Addict
Internet indecency
Trying to stop Indecency
Help! I'm struggling with indecency
I really want to stop
,  lust of the flesh (intimate)
I am a 19 year old struggling with indecency
Exposed to Indecency since the age of 9
Indecency led to an adulterous affair
If a man gets saved and lusts after women, does he lose his salvation?
Struggling with Indecency
Men and Modesty
Pornographic Lust
I have been addicted to Indecency since age 12

The Slavery, Bondage and
Controlling Power of Sin



Throughout the Bible, one can read of man having the rule over fish, birds, living creatures (Gen. 1:26) and people ruling over other people (1 Sam. 14:47; 2 Sam. 19:10), but then we come to other verses which show that sins can rule over people:
Keep your servant also from willful sins; may they not rule over me. Then will I be blameless, innocent of great transgression. May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer (Psa. 19:13,14).
Direct my footsteps according to your word; let no sin rule over me (Psa. 119:133).

The Hebrew word for rule is mashal and means:
to rule:--(have, make to have) dominion, governor, X indeed, reign, (bear, cause to, have) rule (-ing, -r), have power.
The Wicked Are Slaves Of Sin
There are only two types of people, the wicked (or lost) and the righteous (or saved). Regarding the former, Proverbs 5:22 declares that they are take[n] (KJV) or ensnared (NIV) by their sin. That word ensnared in the Hebrew is lakad and means:
to catch (in a net, trap or pit); gen. to capture or occupy; also to choose (by lot); fig. to cohere:-- X at all, catch (self), be frozen, be holden, stick together, take.
Notice the clarity of this verse:
The evil deeds of a wicked man ensnare him; the cords of his sin hold him fast (Prov. 5:22).
The Hebrew word for cords means:
a rope (as twisted), espec. a measuring line; by impl. a district or inheritance (as measured); or a noose (as of cords); fig. a company (as if tied together); also a throe (espec. of parturition); also ruin:--band, coast, company, cord, country, destruction, line, lot, pain, pang, portion, region, rope, snare, sorrow, tackling.
Other similar verses can also be cited:
,  the wicked are ensnared by the work of their hands (Psa. 9:16).
Do not make friends with a hot-tempered man, do not associate with one easily angered, or you may learn his ways and get yourself ensnared (Prov. 22:24,25).
The images of their gods you are to burn in the fire. Do not covet the silver and gold on them, and do not take it for yourselves, or you will be ensnared by it, for it is detestable to the LORD your God (Deut. 7:25).
Verse 26 gives the remedy for coveting silver and gold on idols:
Do not bring a detestable thing into your house or you, like it, will be set apart for destruction. Utterly abhor and detest it, for it is set apart for destruction.
Another example of idolatry ensnaring those that are involved in it is found in the same OT book:
And after they have been destroyed before you, be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying, “How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same” (Deut. 12:30).
The imagery of these Scriptures shows the powerless spiritual condition the unsaved are in (Rom. 5:6), that is, as a captured victim ensared by cords (or ropes) of sin. Beyond all of that he is also a slave to sin.
Jesus Will Set You Free
In the following passage, the truth (which sets one free from sin) is equated with the Son, that is, Jesus Christ Himself:
Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?” Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed” (John 8:31-36).
The Apostle John went into specifics about how this freedom from being a slave to sin occurs:
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood (Rev. 1:5).
In other words, we must contact the blood of Christ to receive freedom from sin’s slavery. This means that people who never get Biblically saved have been lifelong slaves of sin, even though they might not be aware of it. While certain sins clearly enslave, like drunkenness, homosexuality and Indecency, other sins such as lying, fits of rage and discord are not so apparent, but can still be spiritually fatal (Gal. 5:19-21). But regardless the sin, Jesus’ precious, cleansing blood is the only remedy for sin’s spiritual bondage. Moreover, one contacts Jesus’ blood at salvation by coming to know the Lord Jesus in a personal way and simultaneously escapes sin’s bondage:
,  escape the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (2 Pet. 2:20).
The same Greek word translated escape in that verse is also found in 2 Pet. 1:4. Clearly, it is Christians who escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires:
His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires (2 Pet. 1:3,4).
Captive To Sin Again
It is very important to stress the fact that even a person who has once been freed from the controlling power of sin by Jesus’ blood, can become a captive to sin again. Consider the words of the Apostle Peter to Simon, who previously came to the point of believing, which merited Christian baptism (Acts 8:13):
Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord. Perhaps he will forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin (Acts 8:22, 23).
That Apostle also wrote of this same possibility reoccurring to those who had been truly saved. In 1 Peter, his audience was already born again (1:23) and redeemed by Jesus’ precious blood (1:18), but such would not, in itself, prevent them from becoming captive to sin again, as occurred to Simon (Acts 8:13, 23). Consequently, there has to be free will and human responsibility involved in staying free. Instead of conforming to the evil desires we had when unsaved, Christians are commanded to be holy in all you do:
As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy” (1 Pet. 1:14-16).
Be Holy in All You Do
Peter knew a real Christian could once again conform to the evil desires he had when he lived in ignorance. The preventive is to be holy in all we do. Christians are in a constant, day in and day out battle with sin. This and more are clear from the following:
In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood (Heb. 12:4).
In Peter’s second epistle, he wrote about certain false teachers, who have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam (2 Pet. 2:15). Besides being covetous, they were also guilty of mental adultery (v. 14 cf. Mt. 5:28). Hence, Peter declared them to be slaves of depravity [again]:
They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity--for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him (2:19).
But that is not all the Apostle wrote about those apostates, that is, Christians who leave the straight way (or faith):
If they have escaped [past tense] the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command(1) that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud” (2 Pet. 2:20-22).
Not only did Peter know the believer’s security was conditional, but he boldly and unequivocally taught that a true Christian can leave the straight way. Some, however, refuse to accept this Scriptural fact and in opposition to it parrot: They were never really saved to begin with. To live in the straight way carries the same benefit as having escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. But such a person, who departs from the straight way, will then become entangled and overcome by sin’s corruption again! It is about such former Christians, who turn their backs on the sacred command that Peter stated:
It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.
The Danger of Backsliding
In other words, do not backslide or sin’s entanglement and slavery will be worse than it was before initial salvation! But if backsliding has already occurred, one can get saved (and freed) again, according to the Biblical record:
For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found. So they began to celebrate (Lk. 15:24).
Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins (James 5:19, 20, NKJV).
You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again (Rom. 11:19-23).
He Will Not Spare You Either
Sometimes in a feeble effort to save the false teaching of eternal security, proponents of such will try to dismiss Rom. 11:19-23 as only referring to Israel. By doing this, they somehow overlook the following two clauses from that passage: (1) if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either and (2) kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
Dear reader, do not be deceived by the false grace message of OSAS (once saved, always saved). We must endure to the end for salvation’s sake (Mt. 10:22), be faithful to the very end of our lives, so we won’t be hurt by the second death (Rev. 2:10,11), and hold firmly to the end to share in Christ (Heb. 3:14). Furthermore, John wrote:

See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us-even eternal life (1 Jn. 2:24, 25).
According to true grace teaching, eternal life is a hope (Titus 3:7), yet to be reaped (Gal. 6:8,9), in the age to come (Mk. 10:30), for only the ones who persist in doing good (Rom. 2:7) and don’t grow weary and give up (Gal. 6:9).
The Devil’s Captive
The apostle Paul also noted the spiritual captivity that an unsaved person is in. Hence, he informed Timothy how God’s truth is to be presented to those who oppose him:
And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will (2 Tim. 2:24-26).
Remember also that all unsaved people are controlled by the sinful nature:
For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions excited by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death (Rom. 7:5).
John also mentioned the spiritual bondage of the unsaved, termed the world in 1 Jn. 5:19:
We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
Paul also wrote of a Christian’s past life of being a slave to sin, but went further to explicitly state that they have been set free from sin:
You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness. I put this in human terms because you are weak in your natural selves. Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer them in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness. When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life (Rom. 6:18-22).
Today’s False Gospel
Why then doesn’t today’s Gospel deliver this same kind of power and benefit, that is, freedom from the being a slave to sin? The answer is simple. What is often presented as the Gospel in our dark day is not the real Gospel! It is another gospel, like the kind condemned in Gal. 1:8,9. The true Gospel has repentance attached to it (Acts 20:21; 26:20; 2 Pet. 3:9; etc.), which means a turning away from sin (Mt. 12:41 cf. Jonah 3:10). Furthermore, godly sorrow precedes true repentance which leads to salvation (2 Cor. 7:10 cf. James 4:8-10)! Finally, according to 1 Cor. 15:2 and Col. 1:22, 23, the true gospel message also includes a conditional security for the believer:
By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation--if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.
Only a trusting, submitting and enduring faith in Jesus will save one’s eternal soul from the fires of Hell. A Christian’s faith must continue to the end of his life to inherit the kingdom. This, however, doesn’t always happen:
They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away (Lk. 8:13).
holding on to faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected these and so have shipwrecked their faith. Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme (1 Tim. 1:19,20).
Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have wandered away from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some (2 Tim. 2:17,18).
Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing
The implications of 1 Cor. 15:2 and Gal. 1:8,9 indict all those preaching eternal security. Such wolves in sheep’s clothing (Mt. 7:15) are in serious trouble, especially when Jude 3,4 is also considered:
Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
In Jude’s day, those godless men had to secretly slip in among Christians, but in our dark day they are openly preaching the lie of once saved always saved (OSAS) over radio, TV, from pulpits and putting such in print! Sadly, some people who know OSAS is false are even supporting such congregations and ministries with their presence and financial donations! Others promote their deadly influence through their websites by links or article reprints.
Remember, what Jude called a counterfeit grace message and license for immorality (Jude 3,4), is termed in our day eternal security. Others sometimes call it once saved always saved or the perseverance of the saints, but it’s the same basic lie from the devil, first spoken to Eve in the garden (Gen. 3:4) and afterwards accepted as truth. This teaching led to Adam and Eve’s spiritual death. The essence of that sinister doctrine is that a person who has eternal life cannot afterwards die spiritually.

May multitudes in our day become aware of the freedom from sin’s slavery found in Jesus’ blood through his one and only gospel of grace, and afterwards faithfully work out their own salvation with fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), being mindful that a true Christian can go back to their old sinful life, die spiritually and become entangled by sin all over again.

Finally, may the Lord raise up millions, all over the world, who will fearlessly contend for these Biblical truths, like good Christian soldiers, in spite of how they might suffer for obeying the Lord and opposing the popular, false prophets! Precious eternal souls are hanging in the balance over these issues.


Endnote
(1) Though unclear, the sacred command is probably stated at 1 John 3:23: “And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.”

its very bad the way others try to justify their lifestyles by attacking those who dont share the same.

that's how you have men going around r.aping women who dont want to have casual s.ex.

what kind of rubbish is that?

if you have an addiction, just say you have an addiction- dont start presenting your choice as a blanket one for everybody.

see them

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-859569.0.html

Na wa o 21 pages and still counting
@Anti pastor chris
Your colourful pictures are very funny, I only hope Pastor Chris could read this thread.

LMAO

tpia@:

^Is there a particular reason why you, denzel (he wishes) and debosky are following me all over nl?

Not that i care to know but just thought i should point it out in case you think i didnt notice.

As per self-service- go through my posts on this topic ONE MORE TIME and discover yourself projecting on others.

My contributions to the thread have been very sensible and down to earth- if you cant see that then e no concern me.

An addiction is an addiction and as i pointed out before, if you must waank everytime you see a member of the opposite s.ex walk by, then there is a problem.

If you call yourself a christian and are in such a situation, then maybe you should consider getting help.

Duh, we want to make you enjoy masturbation.  

carry on then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw6cb1oHlco[flash=200,200]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw6cb1oHlco[/flash]

Na wa oh i feel so old school, i be de my early 30s so self service is now official, that even pastors indulge in such absurdity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etSivpBHUmE

'' Not all sin is m'asturbation, and not all m'asturbation is sin '' - dj5naira

ma$turbation is a sin, it can never be less than this.

you no if you have been delivered from it.

you get easily addicted to it, propels you towards ponography before long the victim becomes obssessed with sexual imagery.

it terrible pls. don't go there.

if God says if lusting after a woman is a sin, that is exactly what you do with ma$turbation.

FXKing2012:

There are so many clowns and comics in here.

see this overall dunce. you are the bigger clown here. wetin you dey form now? boss? big fool.

i see you have now resorted to outright insult where is your cloak of righteousness you set out in the beginning. remember when you first came on NL you dey from a very born again? you Arrow! look at you now.

You know, there are sometimes I just wish we don't have too many christian denominations cos everyone is trying to interpret the bible in his or her own way to suit him/herself. God's word is not something that has loopholes through which one can manuever. The bible tells us that, the ONLY person we are allowed to have SEX with is our spouses (it never said it was ok to do it solo). I think God is wise enough to have told us that we should flee from fornication and instead just self-service until we get our spouses if it was ok for us to do so. Some people say, that there is no place mentioned in the bible that it is a sin to self-service, but then again, there is no place it is encouraged either. If the bible entails us to wait till marriage until we can have sex, doesn't it also rule out any other form of it? Or are we waiting for the bible to start calling all the sins one by one by name and specifically telling us to abstain and also list the ones that are not? The bible doesn't say a thing about smoking but do you feel it's right for a practising christian to do so? After all, some people have genuine reasons for doing that eg smoking during winter when outdoors to keep warm. But as a practising christian, we ought to know that the body is the temple of God and should not do anything that will defile it. Another thing, don't forget in the old testament, Lev 15:16 to be exact, says that if a man has wetdreams, he should bath himself and would be unclean till evening. Now, wetdreams is a natural occurance for a normal human and yet God said that when it happens, you will be unclean. So, why would one want to delibrately make oneself unclean by simulating a wetdream (having a wetdream is the only occasion the bible talks about release of fluid solo)? Col 3:5- "Then put to death your bodies which are of the earth; wrong use of the flesh, unclean things, passion, evil desires and envy, which is the worship of strange gods."(Amplified version) Another translation says "Dont be controlled by your body. Kill every desire for the wrong kind of sex. Don't be immoral or indecent or have evil thoughts. Don't be greedy which is the same as worshipping idols". Is it making sense to you? I might be wrong (please let me know if I am), but I didn't see where God condemns sleeping with a dead body in the bible either. If so, can it be a sin if one does that? If it's a sin, would it also be a sin if the dead person was his/her spouse? After all, the bible says it's ok to have sex with our spouse. There are things that God doesn't need to spell out for us before we know it's a sin cos the little shred of morality we have will tell us (unless you've completely killed it) and there are things the devil can't use against a practising christian when the Holy Spirit haven't convicted you in it in the first place. Before the devil can even start accusing a true christian, the Holy Spirit will bring your attention to it when mere thots of it come up (don't forget the devil is not a mind reader) and when you choose not to heed His words and actually does it, that's when the devil uses it against you. I seem to have gone off topic but I hope I got my message across. Lastly for the man whom the wife is tired or away and choose to self-service, let him remember these words 1Thessalonians 4:3-4 – “It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable”. Self-control is better than self-service anytime. God bless you too.

P.S. For the good "Pastor" Chris that went as far as to say that "it is between you and your body,, God doesn't care wat you do with it" what happens to 1Cor 6:15 "Do you not know that your bodies are the members of Christ?, " or the same chapter verse 13 ", But the body is not for fornication but for the Lord; and the Lord is for the body" or the most popular verse Know ye not that you are the temple of God? All these verses and lots more goes to show that God IS VERY INTERESTED in what we do with our bodies. I would like that "Pastor" Chris would stop misinforming his congregation and leading them to sin.

henryskywalker2003:

You know, there are sometimes I just wish we don't have too many christian denominations cos everyone is trying to interpret the bible in his or her own way to suit him/herself. God's word is not something that has loopholes through which one can manuever. The bible tells us that, the ONLY person we are allowed to Be Intimate with is our spouses (it never said it was ok to do it solo). I think God is wise enough to have told us that we should flee from fornication and instead just self-service until we get our spouses if it was ok for us to do so. Some people say, that there is no place mentioned in the bible that it is a sin to self-service, but then again, there is no place it is encouraged either. If the bible entails us to wait till marriage until we can Be Intimate, doesn't it also rule out any other form of it? Or are we waiting for the bible to start calling all the sins one by one by name and specifically telling us to abstain and also list the ones that are not? The bible doesn't say a thing about smoking but do you feel it's right for a practising christian to do so? After all, some people have genuine reasons for doing that eg smoking during winter when outdoors to keep warm. But as a practising christian, we ought to know that the body is the temple of God and should not do anything that will defile it. Another thing, don't forget in the old testament, Lev 15:16 to be exact, says that if a man has wetdreams, he should bath himself and would be unclean till evening. Now, wetdreams is a natural occurance for a normal human and yet God said that when it happens, you will be unclean. So, why would one want to delibrately make oneself unclean by simulating a wetdream (having a wetdream is the only occasion the bible talks about release of fluid solo)? Col 3:5- "Then put to death your bodies which are of the earth; wrong use of the flesh, unclean things, passion, evil desires and envy, which is the worship of strange gods."(Amplified version) Another translation says "Dont be controlled by your body. Kill every desire for the wrong kind of sex. Don't be immoral or indecent or have evil thoughts. Don't be greedy which is the same as worshipping idols". Is it making sense to you? I might be wrong (please let me know if I am), but I didn't see where God condemns sleeping with a dead body in the bible either. If so, can it be a sin if one does that? If it's a sin, would it also be a sin if the dead person was his/her spouse? After all, the bible says it's ok to Be Intimate with our spouse. There are things that God doesn't need to spell out for us before we know it's a sin cos the little shred of morality we have will tell us (unless you've completely killed it) and there are things the devil can't use against a practising christian when the Holy Spirit haven't convicted you in it in the first place. Before the devil can even start accusing a true christian, the Holy Spirit will bring your attention to it when mere thots of it come up (don't forget the devil is not a mind reader) and when you choose not to heed His words and actually does it, that's when the devil uses it against you. I seem to have gone off topic but I hope I got my message across. Lastly for the man whom the wife is tired or away and choose to self-service, let him remember these words 1Thessalonians 4:3-4 – “It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid intimate immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable”. Self-control is better than self-service anytime. God bless you too.

P.S. For the good "Pastor" Chris that went as far as to say that "it is between you and your body,, God doesn't care wat you do with it" what happens to 1Cor 6:15 "Do you not know that your bodies are the members of Christ?, " or the same chapter verse 13 ", But the body is not for fornication but for the Lord; and the Lord is for the body" or the most popular verse Know ye not that you are the temple of God? All these verses and lots more goes to show that God IS VERY INTERESTED in what we do with our bodies. I would like that "Pastor" Chris would stop misinforming his congregation and leading them to sin.

well said my brother; but i still respect the man of God any day. i only hope i understand what he actually mean't by those statement.

i will never recommend ma$turbation for any body, is never a therapy never will be!!!!!!!!!!!

@henryskywalker2003, More God blessings to you and all yours Sir!

Amen

to this mans words he hit right on the head praise the lord thank you for your message at least he does not beat up the demigod to make his point that it is wrong ma.st.ur.ba.tion

(NIV) Ephesians 2:2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.
(KJV) Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
1 John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

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Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin.
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You know, there are sometimes I just wish we don't have too many christian denominations cos everyone is trying to interpret the bible in his or her own way to suit him/herself. God's word is not something that has loopholes through which one can manuever. The bible tells us that, the ONLY person we are allowed to Be Intimate with is our spouses (it never said it was ok to do it solo). I think God is wise enough to have told us that we should flee from fornication and instead just self-service until we get our spouses if it was ok for us to do so. Some people say, that there is no place mentioned in the bible that it is a sin to self-service, but then again, there is no place it is encouraged either. If the bible entails us to wait till marriage until we can Be Intimate, doesn't it also rule out any other form of it? Or are we waiting for the bible to start calling all the sins one by one by name and specifically telling us to abstain and also list the ones that are not? The bible doesn't say a thing about smoking but do you feel it's right for a practising christian to do so? After all, some people have genuine reasons for doing that eg smoking during winter when outdoors to keep warm. But as a practising christian, we ought to know that the body is the temple of God and should not do anything that will defile it. Another thing, don't forget in the old testament, Lev 15:16 to be exact, says that if a man has wetdreams, he should bath himself and would be unclean till evening. Now, wetdreams is a natural occurance for a normal human and yet God said that when it happens, you will be unclean. So, why would one want to delibrately make oneself unclean by simulating a wetdream (having a wetdream is the only occasion the bible talks about release of fluid solo)? Col 3:5- "Then put to death your bodies which are of the earth; wrong use of the flesh, unclean things, passion, evil desires and envy, which is the worship of strange gods."(Amplified version) Another translation says "Dont be controlled by your body. Kill every desire for the wrong kind of sex. Don't be immoral or indecent or have evil thoughts. Don't be greedy which is the same as worshipping idols". Is it making sense to you? I might be wrong (please let me know if I am), but I didn't see where God condemns sleeping with a dead body in the bible either. If so, can it be a sin if one does that? If it's a sin, would it also be a sin if the dead person was his/her spouse? After all, the bible says it's ok to Be Intimate with our spouse. There are things that God doesn't need to spell out for us before we know it's a sin cos the little shred of morality we have will tell us (unless you've completely killed it) and there are things the devil can't use against a practising christian when the Holy Spirit haven't convicted you in it in the first place. Before the devil can even start accusing a true christian, the Holy Spirit will bring your attention to it when mere thots of it come up (don't forget the devil is not a mind reader) and when you choose not to heed His words and actually does it, that's when the devil uses it against you. I seem to have gone off topic but I hope I got my message across. Lastly for the man whom the wife is tired or away and choose to self-service, let him remember these words 1Thessalonians 4:3-4 – “It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid intimate immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable”. Self-control is better than self-service anytime. God bless you too.

P.S. For the good "Pastor" Chris that went as far as to say that "it is between you and your body,, God doesn't care wat you do with it" what happens to 1Cor 6:15 "Do you not know that your bodies are the members of Christ?, " or the same chapter verse 13 ", But the body is not for fornication but for the Lord; and the Lord is for the body" or the most popular verse Know ye not that you are the temple of God? All these verses and lots more goes to show that God IS VERY INTERESTED in what we do with our bodies. I would like that "Pastor" Chris would stop misinforming his congregation and leading them to sin.

Warnings and Encouragements

(NIV) Luke 12:1 Meanwhile, when a crowd of many thousands had gathered, so that they were trampling on one another, Jesus began to speak first to his disciples, saying: “Be[a] on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

(NIV) Luke 12:2 There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. 3 What you have said in the dark will be heard in the daylight, and what you have whispered in the ear in the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the roofs.
These are the words of them talking and they were painstakingly typed out for all the defenders of evil pastors and there false doctrines?

I.e. Christ Embassy Members

These are the words of them talking and they were painstakingly typed out for all the defenders of evil pastors and there false doctrines? I.e. Christ Embassy Members
Who love there pastor more than the truth of the bible his word is God’s word to them
This shows the complete conflict of lies from the truth form the bible which exposes them?
Transcribe for the spiritual blind people in Christ embassy

Rev. Ray Okocha (“Word Alive”. program)
Also the (Secretary-General) (Believer’s’ Love World Inc.)
Pastor Chris Oyakhilome:

From Kwaku (Ghana)

Question: from Ghana how does one overcome ma.st.ur.ba.tion?


1. Rev. Ray Okocha Ha-ma ha- firstly it’s a thing of the mind, you’ve allowed the chance that you have to become a habit to you I am sure and a problem to you; am its first stop It! and you have the power to do that as a child of God, if you don’t want something you can stop it! So don’t think about it! Don’t go in that direction and stop it! And you obviously have a problem with it? That’s why you are in need of distribution a and the bibles says: (KJV) Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure ____and the ability of Christ in is you can if you don’t want it you can stop it.

2. Pastor Chris Oyakhilome: it’s really that simple, the question is how does someone overcome ma.st.ur.ba.tion?

3. The reason your thinking about it the reason is it’s become a habit for you,
4. it’s the way you stop any habit,

5. see ma.st.ur.ba.tion it not em more of habit than any other habit ok SO

6. Once you make up your mind you “don’t”!! You want to break a particular habit, you do it, you stop you just it-stop it!!!

7. By getting em your mind to think of something else in fact the way the way destroy a habit is replace that habit with another habit,


8. That is the habit of not doing it see!!
9. But there is something I would like to- I would like to- bring to your mind that may be of help to you because the reason,
10. em you want to stop this is!!!
11. Is because of what you think it is!!
12. If you were in the habit of em playing football you probably would not ask us!!
13. How can I stop playing football?
14. Because you think there is something wrong with this!!!
15. Alright so that is where your problem is coming from.

16. But no matter how wrong it is!!! in your mind!!!
17. Get this straight in its self!

18. It is not a sin against God.

19. Now I say that for a reason!
20. There is many Christians think that is a sin against God em?
21. and Satan use it in oppressing them
22. oppressing their minds and making them feel ineffective

23. and inefficient in the things of God

24. But once you get to understand!!

25. It’s got nothing to do with God

26. It all about you and your own body
27. Then Satan loses his power to use it!!
28. To accuse you!!!
29. Alright!!
30. So if you don’t like it stop!!!

31. But Gods got nothing to do with it!!!

32. Its your own body

33. ma.st.ur.ba.tion is about you and your body

34. and Em and

35. God is not offended by it.

36. He is only offended by any habit that takes hold of your mind?
37. And if this takes a hold of your mind and dominates you?
38. God is offended by the fact that you let yourself become enslaved by any habit by what so every?
39. So let’s first of all take the power away from Satan to accuse you?

40. When it’s got nothing to do with God

41. in the whole bible
42. It doesn’t say anything about ma.st.ur.ba.tion?
43. Well Now somebody may say –
44. What about Lasciviousness
45. What about Uncleanness
46. That’s not the meaning of ma.st.ur.ba.tion
47. But you can have Lasciviousness and Uncleanness in ma.st.ur.ba.tion and as well in many other things that people do?
48. You see
49. So there not isolated to ma.st.ur.ba.tion its self
50. Uncleanness can be something about your mind ok
51. Thoughts that you bring in your mind
52. Uncleanness can be having ah, ah this kind of s,e,x,u,a,l relations with an animal?
53. That is Uncleanness
54. In fact that is more of what the bible calls Uncleanness than anything else!!
55. And then am ah en ah!!
56. Homosexuality is Uncleanness that’s what God means by Uncleanness
57. These are all the things it talks about?
58. So just be clear that Satan should have no power of dominion over you as far as this is concerned!
59. It can be a dirty habit
60. It can be a habit you don’t like?

61. Or its got nothing to do with God

62. God is not thinking about it!

63. So you want to stop it
64. Stop it like any other thing
65. And it’s always easier to be able to stop things like this when you know!!!!!
66. God will have no problem with it!!
67. As long as you are!!!
68. Oppressed by Satan the same devil will push you to do something
69. And make you believe God is against it, so he can you use it to condemn you
70. But once you know!!

71. Gods got nothing to do with it

72. And Satan does not have the power to accuse you with it
73. You will find you will not even do it anymore?
74. See you, you, you just you just don’t just don’t do it
75. If you don’t like it
76. It’s,- it’s just over
77. And you win?


Alright there is another one here
Siphilisiwe (Croydon United kingdom) question can apostles and prophets be ordained just as pastors are ordained by senior ministers

tpia@:

What a very warped sense of morality you display.

Not surprised, with the way you flirt with everything in skirt on nl.

See yourself now?

Girl are you ok?

I asked you a simple set of questions - how does that display a warped sense of morality?

How do you determine normal? Must Everyone do something to be normal or just the majority?

tpia@:

Debosky

my questions were serious ones, unlike yours which are silly.

When did self-service start being regarded as a normal thing which everybody must do?

Is this another batch of rubbish like the drinkers forcing everybody to be drinkers like them and trying to paint non-drinkers as abnormal?

Why must everybody self-service?

If you have an addiction to self-servicing, why cant you recognise your addiction for what it is - an addiction- instead of trying to force your views on others?

Lying is lying and self-service is self-service.

What exactly is your point or were you waanking while typing?

No one said everyone must -my question is focused on your definition of normal. If most people have lied at one point in their lives, is it normal? Even if majority regard lying as wrong?

In other words, is the 'rightness' or 'wrongness' what makes it normal?

Very valid questions undeserving of an insulting outburst from you. If you can't be civil then don't bother responding.

this thread may as well be the hotest of the month. my final word is, know the God you are serving and take time to dig into His word. no matter how highly placed your MOG is, dont just take his word for it, search the scriptures for urself. It is written in the bible that many people will be led astray by their very pastors.

as for this issue @ hand, my view is that, its demonic and sooner or later a man who self service without repentance will be reduced to a mere bread for the enemy. its my prayer that God will deliver you from this "bad habit".

this thread may as well be the hotest of the month. my final word is, know the God you are serving and take time to dig into His word. no matter how highly placed your MOG is, dont just take his word for it, search the scriptures for urself. It is written in the bible that many people will be led astray by their very pastors.

as for this issue @ hand, my view is that, its demonic and sooner or later a man who self service without repentance will be reduced to a mere bread for the enemy. its my prayer that God will deliver you from this "bad habit".

In what way are lying and mastrubation the same?

What's your basis for comparing them?

Why not compare masturbation and murder, stealing, kidnapping, idolatry etc?

I think you should look at yourself more before posting-it wont hurt you to occasionally think before you type.

I have no opinion on what oyakhilome said-you need to direct your issues to the people defending or opposing him instead of trying to pick fights all over the place.

So, kindly stop responding to my posts if you lack comprehension skills.

^That was for debosky.

Back to topic

what are the reasons why a professing christian who is a bachelor, would be masturbating?

I think this needs to be looked at.

...pls delete

I read of it in the The News, an evening paper. it is apostasy to for anyone to say that self-service is not a sin but a habit.
Can it then be said that lying also is not sin but a habit?
The word of God is clear and unmistaken.
1 Corinthians 6:9 talks about a people who are 'abusers of themselves with mankind' among other sins listed in the verse
The phrase 'abusers of themselves with mankind' refers to intimate perversion acts such as self-service, homosexualism, lesbianism, MouthAction,backdoor etc
1 Timothy 4:1 tells us that 'in the last days,many shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils''
The Christ Embassy Ministry is a false Christian Sect leading its members to perdition by not teaching the whole truth (Matthew 23:23) of the Word of God.

fellow nigerians
the Bible is not a secret document.it is available and open to everyone. read it yourself and search out the truths contained therein. do not allow anyone to deceive you.always crosscheck what you hear, from the Bible because we shall be judged by the Word of God whether we read it or not.