ayinba1:

How often have I almost posted a reply on this topic and I just thought, "it's not worth it"

the typical islamic response to the hogwash and contradictions that stare them in the face.

ayinba1:

For all those who genuinely wish to know, Allah is the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth.

No he is not! How can the "creator of heaven and earth" tell us that he threw down mountains as tent pegs to stabilise the earth? No wonde scientists are laughing at us. Did allah forget how he created the earth?

ayinba1:

He sent the prophets and messengers before sending Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

That is mohammed's lie and his way of borrowing from the bible to legitimise his fraudulent religion. NOT A SINGLE one of the "prophets" ever mentioned being sent by allah!
NOT A SINGLE one of these prophets is recorded accurately in the quran save for some sketchy references here and there.
Virtually every attribute of these "prophets" is starkly opposite to mohammed's attributes. Can we sincerely place Moses, Elijah, Isaiah, Ezra, John the Baptist, Gideon and others side by side with Mohammed?

ayinba1:

Muslims believe in Allah and all the Prophets and their messages. We make no distinction amongst them.

lol this has to be the worst lie i have read on this board today. When you call mohammed the last and greatest prophet, is that your way of "we make no distinction amongst them" or you need glasses to re-read that statement you just put down?
Muslims like to make noise about "we believe all the prophets and their messages" when in essence THEY DONT! Where are the messages of Joshua, Moses, Ezekiel, Solomon, Elisha, Samuel in the quran or hadith? How can you believe what you dont know?

Where are the muslims declaring days of rage over cartoons of Samuel or Hosea? And they come here bleating about how they "believe all the prophets".

ayinba1:

For those who continue to blaspheme, ignorance is not an excuse to do this. You owe it upon yourself to find and know the truth.

What truth? We found the truth already, keep wallowing in idolatry.

ayinba1:

On a final note to all decent readers and posters, you really do not want to be clothed in a white garment and get into a scuffle with a soot covered person.

lol muslims now wear white garments too? First it was Auwal telling me muslims are expecting Jesus in the rapture. . . what wont i see today?

ayinba1:

Again answer to the question is "ALLAH" Deal with it

Signing out

Yeah we know it is allah, all we have been saying since is that he can never be the God and Saviour mentioned in the bible. Now you deal with that and stop telling me that is racist!

@davidylan: Boy!, you are tough. Your heart man. thats a very hard heart! Nothing good comes out of your ink.

olabowale:

@davidylan: Boy!, you are tough. Your heart man. thats a very hard heart! Nothing good comes out of your ink.

Uncle Ola,

So sorry that he is just replete with your bad sides. He probably has forgotten that Islam is reducing the number of women who would have gone without being married in their life time by becoming th 22nd wife of a 'prophet' who often drank camel's urine!

They call him ILAH. That is the arabic word for god

davidylan:

the typical islamic response to the hogwash and contradictions that stare them in the face.

No he is not! How can the "creator of heaven and earth" tell us that he threw down mountains as tent pegs to stabilise the earth? No wonde scientists are laughing at us. Did allah forget how he created the earth?

That is mohammed's lie and his way of borrowing from the bible to legitimise his fraudulent religion. NOT A SINGLE one of the "prophets" ever mentioned being sent by allah!
NOT A SINGLE one of these prophets is recorded accurately in the quran save for some sketchy references here and there.
Virtually every attribute of these "prophets" is starkly opposite to mohammed's attributes. Can we sincerely place Moses, Elijah, Isaiah, Ezra, John the Baptist, Gideon and others side by side with Muhammad?

lol this has to be the worst lie i have read on this board today. When you call mohammed the last and greatest prophet, is that your way of "we make no distinction amongst them" or you need glasses to re-read that statement you just put down?
Muslims like to make noise about "we believe all the prophets and their messages" when in essence THEY DONT! Where are the messages of Joshua, Moses, Ezekiel, Solomon, Elisha, Samuel in the quran or hadith? How can you believe what you don't know?

Where are the muslims declaring days of rage over cartoons of Samuel or Hosea? And they come here bleating about how they "believe all the prophets".

What truth? We found the truth already, keep wallowing in idolatry.

lol muslims now wear white garments too? First it was Auwal telling me muslims are expecting Jesus in the rapture. . . what wont i see today?

Yeah we know it is allah, all we have been saying since is that he can never be the God and Saviour mentioned in the bible. Now you deal with that and stop telling me that is racist!

Its Obvious that davidylan is a very Good Xtian (no doubt about that). You r very smart and u also believe in what u have.
nairalanders who are posting argument to this tread are not sensible (sorry for that, but thats the truth), arguement wont solve the matter!!!

Ofcourse every1 is right about his/her religion but what i think is missing now is how to express the religion to others.

Its Obvious there are millions of religion on earth and all is almost saying the same thing (the presence of the creator (ofcourse there is a Creator)), all we need to know is who is saying the right thing! Ofcourse am always right!, u r also right always, but some1 is wrong! and 2 religion can NEVER be right! (Let that get stuck in ur brain). I think we should all go out for a research. On path, I have carried out the research and i have a conclussion.

Without any doubt, there are three main religion (others are related to idol and makes them FABRICATED ) known (CHRISTIAN, ISLAM and the JEW).

First
The xtian believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and He is God and the Saviour.

If you Analyse,
Let take them one after the other

Jesus is the Son of the MAIN GOD, OK
Jesus is the MAIN GOD, Doubt!
Jesus is the Saviour, OK
If u consider the above statements you find out that they do not match! The Main God cannot be the son of another God, may be if we re-arrange them it may make sense,

Jesus is the MAIN GOD, OK
Jesus is the Son of the MAIN GOD, Doubt!
Jesus is the Saviour, OK
now, if the statement is re-considered, there is still a problem! If Jesus is the Main GOD and He is later known to have a father, who is that father to US! ,
If u now analyse the whole statement, If jesus cannot be GOD and the SON of GOD then he can not be the Saviour!However, he has brought a message to us! thats right. Agreed!
Hence, a messanger is the person who is sent with a message. He is therefor a MESSENGER. He also prophesise, then he is a PROPHET! AGREED!

Cleared?
The Holy Bible

The Bible is considered the word or GOD and it is Used By the xtians, OK
The bible contain the word of Noah, Abraham, Moses and other prophets most especially JESUS CHRIST, No doubt about that.

The word "Bible comes from the Egyptian word for parchment, byblos. The Greek word biblios means books or scrolls. Later, it was translated into Latin, biblia, meaning "book." The Bible is more than a single book. It is a library--ta biblia, which means "the books." In this Bible library, as in any library, you will find a variety of books--prose, poetry, songs, prayers, history, folklore, sagas, wisdom, letters, parables, proverbs, prophecy, etc.

With This explanation we now know what the bible is!
If you Analyse,
The Word "Bible" is a Publishers Title like the common news paper names,
(PROVE)The word "Bible" is no where to be found in Bible itself, meaning the Bible does not recorgnizes itself,

God is known to be the most Exalted and One free from Mistakes,
The soul called "the word of God" has been found to contradict itself, thats rediculouse!!! man is only known to be bound by mistakes, why G O D !!!

here is one of many contradictions of the Bible,

In II Samuel 24
The Numbering

"AND again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah."

While the author of Samuel 24 above, makes God the boss of the situation, the author of Chronicles below gives credit to the Devil.

I CHRONICLES 21
The Numbering

"AND SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel."

LOL, apart from showing allegiance to God as is noted elsewhere, the Devil (Satan) is also given his due. This dichotomy on the part of the author of Chronicles reminds one of the story of the old woman who lit one candle to St. Michael and another to the devil. St. Michael was trampling underfoot, so that whether she went to Heaven or Hell, she would have a friend. This Chronicles fellow, made sure that he had a friend at court Above, as well as a friend at court Below. He wanted to have it both ways, or wanted to have his cake and eat it too.

You will observe that the authors of the books of "Chronicles" and of "Samuel" are telling us the same story about David taking a census of the Jews. Where did David get his "inspiration" to do this novel deed? The author of 2 Samuel 24:1 says that it was the "LORD" God who MOVED (RSV: "incited" David, but the author of 1 Chronicles 21:1 says that it was "SATAN" who PROVOKED (RSV: "incited" David to do such a dastardly thing! How could the Almighty God have been the source of these contradictory "INSPIRATIONS?" Is it God or is it Satan! In which religion is the DEVIL synonymous with GOD? I am not talking about "Satanism" a recent fungus growth of Christianity, in which ex-Christians worship the Devil. Christianity has been most prolific of spawning isms. Atheism, Communism, Fascism, Totalitarianism, Nazism, Mormonism, Moonism, Christian Scientism and now Satanism. What else will Christianity give birth to?

The "Holy Bible" lends itself to all kinds of contradictory interpretations!

This is the Christian boast! "SOME CLAIM AND RIGHTLY SO, THAT BIBLICAL PASSAGES HAVE BEEN CONTINUOUSLY MISUSED AND MISAPPROPRIATED TO JUSTIFY ALMOST EVERY EVIL KNOWN TO MAN" (From: "The Plain Truth" an American-based Christian Journal under the heading: "THE BIBLE — World's Most Controversial Book." (July 1975).

WHO ARE THE REAL AUTHORS?

As further evidence will be adduced from "Samuel" and "Chronicles" I deem it advisable first to determine their authors instead of suspecting God of those books' incongruities. The Revisers of the RSV say:

(a) SAMUEL: Author "Unknown" (Just one word)

(b) CHRONICLES: Author "Unknown, probably collected and edited by Ezra."

We must admire the humility of these Bible scholars, but their "possiblys" "probablys" and "likelys" are always construed as ACTUALLY'S by their fleeced sheep. Why make poor Ezra or Isaiah the scapegoats for these anonymous writers?

I think I need to add one more contradiction so as not to offend some readers.

WHAT DID THE LORD DECREE: 3 YEARS FAMINE OR 7 YEARS FAMINE?

A JAMB Question, right? may be the Bible will answer that,
Yes! it Did! But with contractdiction again!


In the II SAMUEL 24:13
"So Gad came to David, and told him, and said unto him, Shall seven years of famine come unto thee in thy land? Or wilt thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue, thee?"

While I CHRONICLES 21:11 says

11. So Gad came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee
12. Either three years' famine; or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;

Amazing! right! If God is the Author of every single word, comma and full-stop in the Bible, as the Christians claim, then is He the Author of the above arithmetical discrepancy as well?

Note the reproduction of above. Compare both the quotations. 2 Samuel 24:13 tells us — "So Gad came to David, AND TOLD HIM, and said unto him . . ." These words are repeated word for word in 1 Chronicles 21:11, except the redundant "AND TOLD HIM" is removed! But while trimming the useless phrase, the author also pruned the time factor from "SEVEN" years to "THREE" years. What did God say to Gad — Three or Seven years plague — "on both your houses?"

There is no doubt that the Bible is not the word GOD! May be it is, May be it is not, how do u know

if u look at the soul called "bible" closely, it have shown that there are lot of versions of it!

If you Analyse,
An original context from someone have been edited by his great grand child, further edited by the great grand child's great grand child and further edited by another great grand child of the G G C of th G G C of the real speaker and so on till it gets to the fifth editor as the case may be, some are 5th edition, some, even 10th edition,

how do u expect the real and original message be passed with this editions!!! Rediculous!!!!!!!!!!! unbelievable!

Conlcusion

The BIBLE is not the word of the creator but a fabricated clause and phrases

As for the the Religion Islam, the research have been concluded on it too and conclusion have been made!

In Islam, the moslem/Muslim or what ever believes that there is One God, He has no Child and He also have no Father nor Mother, He is beleived to be every where. His presensce in everywhere is as a result of what he has created, and that He (The MAIN GOD) has sent down messangers to MAN. These messengers are believed to be man as the xtian also believes. they believed all the prophets as said and discribed by the xtians. They believe in the birth and the return of JESUS CHRIST, but they dont believe JESUS is GOD (Well I have proved that too). They Believe Muhammed/Mohammed is the Messanger, slave and Prophet of Allah (GOD). Not only a Prophet but the last Prophet of Allah!

If You Analse,

There is only one God , OK
He is Everywhere , (OK with prove (In respect to what he has created))
He created the Every1/Everything , OK
No Father and No Mother , OK (Proven that some1 given birth to cannot be a GOD)

Without any doubt, the God explained by this religion is the CORRECT GOD!

Lets go further,
The Prophet
When the Prophet is analysed,

The Question is, Is he realy a prophet from the correct God?

With the following key points, with my research, the answer is given:

1. Chronologically, in history as a sequence of event in time.

2. By being Chosen by God.

3. In the fulfilment of the prophecies of his predecessors, and but not in the least,

4. By bringing the Guidance of God to perfection ' "For he will Guide you into all Truth." said. Jesus Christ


1. Chronologically, in history as a sequence of event in time.

The History of the Prophet will be well understood if the scripture(Qoran/Quran/Qur'an) is read. This is a major context of the history of Muhammed

The Holy Prophet Moses preceded Jesus Christ (pbuh) by some 1300 years and Muhummed (pbuh) succeeded to that high office vacated by Jesus some six centuries later.

It was the 12 of Rabi I., in the year of the Elephant, or the 29th of August 570 of the Christian Era1 that Muhummed the Praiseworthy, to whom all praise is due, was born in the sacred city of Makkah in pagan Arabia. His people the Quraish remembered the year of his birth as the "Era of the Elephant", because just two months before the birth of the child Abraha al-Ashram, the Abyssinian viceroy of Yemen had attacked the sacred sanctuary at Makkah at the head of his troops riding a huge African elephant. A terrifying sight never to be erased from their memory and a still more shocking end to the invasion — the miraculous destruction of Abraha and his army as recorded in Sura Fil or the Elephant —

Seest thou not how thy Lord dealt with the Companions of the Elephant?

Did He not make their treacherous plan go astray?

And He sent against them flights of Birds,

Striking them with stones of baked clay.

Then did He make them like an empty field of stalks and straw,(of which the corn) has been eaten up

(SURA FIL) Holy Quran 105:1-5



God Almighty chooses His Own Messengers, He uses His Own Standards although we may not always understand the wisdom of it.
Paul cries the anomaly -

For the Jews require a sign (miracles to convince) and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

(HOLY BIBLE) I Corinthians 1: 22

But worldly wise as Paul was, he found that his wisdom was "a stumbling-block" to the Jews and "foolishness" to the Greeks.

God chose Moses (pbuh) a man who was a fugitive from justice and a stutterer. The Holy Bible calls him a man with "uncircumcised lips." (Exodus 6: 12).

Despite his difficulties when commissioned to confront Pharaoh, the greatest tyrant of the age, Moses (pbuh) cries out to the God of Mercy —

(Moses) said: "O my Lord! expand for me my breast;" 1

Make my task easy for me;

"And remove the impediment from my speech,

"So that they may understand what I have to say:

"And give me a Minister from my family,

"Aaron, my brother; "Add to my strength through him, "And make him share my task:

"That we may celebrate Thy praise without stint,

"And remember Thee without stint:

'For Thou art He that (ever) regardeth us. (God) said: "Granted is thy prayer, 0 Moses!"

This statement of Moses is also found in the Qoran (SURA TA'HA) Holy Qur'an 20:25-56

WHY "SUPPOSED"?
Then comes Jesus (pbuh) who was chosen by God. According to Christian teachings, he was a carpenter and the son of a carpenter, with a dubious genealogy as recorded in the Gospels —

And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed)1 the son of Joseph,
(HOLY BIBLE) Luke 3: 25

Acknowledged today by a thousand million Muslims that Jesus Christ (pbuh) was born miraculously — without any male intervention; the followers of Christ created two separate genealogies for a man who had no genealogy. Between the Gospels of Matthew and Luke they give this mighty Messenger of God sixty-six fathers and grandfathers. And of these two separate lists only one name is common to these two lists and that is of Joseph the Carpenter, who does not Fit in anywhere because, as Luke records above, he was only the "SUPPOSED" father of Jesus.

EVEN BISHOPS DOUBT

In a "SHOCK SURVEY OF ANGLICAN BISHOPS" in June 1984 it was revealed that 31 of their 39 Bishops thought that "Christ's miracles, the virgin birth and the resurrection might not have happened exactly as described in the Bible."

In deference to the Bishops of the Church of England (the "Anglicans" the Church of Scotland most respectfully omitted any reference to the "Virgin Birth" from its most recent publication "A STATEMENT OF FAITH." The topic of the miraculous conception of Jesus (pbuh) is getting increasingly hotter for Western Christianity to handle as you see in the image attahed with this post



It is He Who sent amongst the unlettered a messenger from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom, — although they had been, before, in manifest error;-

(SURA JUMUA) Holy Qur'an 62: 2

Amazing as it may seem, I am not amazed anymore! For this is His way — He chooses an Ummi 1 non-literate Prophet for an Ummi illiterate nation.

"A POOR SHEPHERD PEOPLE, ROAMING UNNOTICED IN ITS DESERTS SINCE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD: A HERO-PROPHET WAS SENT DOWN TO THEM WITH A WORD THEY COULD BELIEVE: SEE, THE UNNOTICED BECOMES WORLD-NOTABLE, THE SMALL HAS GROWN WORLD-GREAT; WITHIN ONE CENTURY AFTERWARDS, ARABIA IS AT GRENADA (Spain) ON THIS HAND, AT DELHI (India) ON THAT; -GLANCING IN VALOUR AND SPLENDOUR AND THE LIGHT OF GENIUS, ARABIA SHINES THROUGH LONG AGES OVER A GREAT SECTION OF THE WORLD. BELIEF IS GREAT, LIFE-GIVING. THE HISTORY OF A NATION BECOMES FRUITFUL, SOUL ELEVATING, GREAT, SO SOON AS IT BELIEVES. THESE ARABS, THE MAN MAHOMET, AND THAT ONE CENTURY, -IS IT NOT AS IF A SPARK HAD FALLEN, ONE SPARK, ON A WORLD OF WHAT SEEMED BLACK UNNOTICEABLE SAND; BUT LO, THE SAND PROVES EXPLOSIVE POWDER, BLAZES HEAVEN HIGH FROM DELHI TO GRENADA! I SAID, THE GREAT MAN WAS ALWAYS AS LIGHTNING OUT OF HEAVEN; THE REST OF MEN WAITED FOR HIM LIKE FUEL, AND THEN THEY TOO WOULD FLAME."

Thus concluded the speech of Thomas Carlyle, one of the greatest thinkers of the past century. It was Friday, the 8th of May 1840. His theme — "The Hero as Prophet" His audience: were Anglicans — English Christians

THE CHOSEN PEOPLE

God chooses His Messengers and God chooses His People, In the realm of the Spirit no nation was as favoured as the Jews and yet Moses (pbuh) is made to bewail against his own people —

Ye have been rebellious against the Lord from the day I knew you.

(HOLY BIBLE) Deutronomy 9: 24

In this last will and testament of Moses (pbuh) the Israelites frustrate their "meek and gentle" Messenger who is forced to rail against their continual stubborn resistance and arrogant attitudes to God's guidance —

For I knew thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the lord; and how much more after my death?

(HOLY BIBLE) Deutronomy 51:27

Alas how true! I am not going to philosophise on God's choice. But in the very next chapter the fire of God's anger is kindled to a blaze and He decries the Jews -

They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they (the Jews) have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are Not A People; I will provoke them to anger with a Foolish Nation.
(HOLY BIBLE) Deutronomy 32:211



A COMMON TRAIT

Just a cursory glance, a rapid reading, a hurried look at the previous verse will satisfy the Muslim that Jesus Christ (pbuh) did indeed prophesy the advent of Muhummed (pbuh), the Messenger of God. The Muslim is puzzled at the stubbornness, vanity and tunnel vision of the Christian which prevents him from seeing his own inner light and listening to his conscience so as not to recognise the obvious.

The Christian in turn is puzzled at the hard-hearted obstinacy of the Jews, a nation endowed with such creative genius, which, despite a thousand and one prophecies in their own Bible (the Old Testament) regarding the coming of the "Messiah," are totally incapable of recognising their lord and "saviour." Are they both somewhat blind?

No! Neither the Jews nor the Christians are necessarily impervious to truth. The trouble is that we all pick up our prejudices from childhood. The American call it being "programmed"

Simply reading the verses or listening to lectures and getting that smug satisfaction of being in the know will not help spreading the truth. This is the age of the "EVERYMAN." 1 The age of the professionals is over. It is the duty of every Muslim — man, woman or child to get involved. Each according to his or her capacity. Memorize the above verse with its meaning as well as the quotations preceding and those that follow so that you may feel equipped to share our Deen with non-Muslims. There are no short-cuts to Da'wah (propagation)!

"AL-MOOUZZI" THE COMFORTER
Here comes the answer to the most presing Question!

I got stranded in Cairo for lack of an entry visa. A kind gentleman from the AI-Azhar, who was trying to help us obtain the relevant documents, got frustrated with the delay and in order to attend to his Friday prayers, handed me and my son Yousuf to a young Egyptian lady, well-groomed in Western attire After much effort and time she returned to us with the good news. "Forty dollars," she said. I asked, "For what?" "The visas," she answered. Twenty dollars for me and twenty for my son. "But I am a guest of the Government," I insisted. She said that she knew nothing about it, so I smiled and paid.

From the lady's speech and deportment, I had sensed that she was well-educated and a lady of culture, so undauntedly I asked her again what her name was in my broken Arabic. However, her name was too novel for me to remember. I asked her further: "Are you a Muslim?" She said, "No, I am an Egyptian Christian." This was the opening I was waiting for. I began, "Do you know that before Jesus Christ departed from this world, he told his disciples," and I started to quote, now in meticulous Arabic, a verse from the Arabic Bible (see the attached image for real context), which I had memorized for opportunities just like this particular one.

The Translation

I had no need to translate the Arabic to her, because as an Arab she understood the verse perfectly. But for the benefit of those who do not know Arabic I give you its exact equivalent from the English Bible, which I had also taken the trouble to memorize in my spare time.

Nevertheless, I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
(HOLY BIBLE) John 16:7

The word "Comforter" above is "al-Moouzzi" in Arabic. I asked the lady, "Who is the "al-Moouzzi" (The Comforter) of this prophecy?" She said, " do not know," She was honest She did not beat around the bush. So I said that we are told in the Holy Qur'an that Jesus Christ (pbuh) had told his disciples

", and giving Glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me whose name shall be Ahmed"
(SURAH SAFF) QURAN 61:6

I continued that, *This Ahmed is another name for Muhummed, and Muhummed is Moouzzi!" "Very funny," she exclaimed, "these Egyptians" (meaning the Muslim Egyptians) "take us to the cinema, they take us" (meaning Christian women) "to the dance, but no one ever tells us anything about this Moouzzi!"

BIBLICAL CONFIRMATION
Remember, that in the sixth century of the Christian Era, when Muhummed (pbuh) was chanting God's words which was systematically "put into his mouth," ' the Arabic Bible had not yet been translated. He could never have known that he was fulfilling and confirming the utterances of his predecessor Jesus (pbuh) to the letter.

With all these proves, why arguements! why dont we face the realy and forget about forgery and criticism.

conclusion

Islam is the true Relegion and Prophet Muhammed Is the Last Messenger of the Allah,
,

soladnet

thanks for the explanation.Any reasonable person would understand.

@soladnet,

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It's a smart undertaking you attempted there; but sorry to burst your bubble - Biblical Christianity is not defined by what any Church denomination does. . . and definitely not defiend by what the Church of Scotland now practices.

Muslims who have often tried to use such gimmicks to mislead simpletons among them have supposed that Christianity is thereby discreditted upon the departure of some people from Biblical Christianity (i.e., Christianity based on what the Bible teaches). If you look carefully, does the Bible teach now that the Virgin birth of Jesus Christ is no longer to be taught?

In the same way, I've used this same example as you proposed in discussing with some of your own apologists. Up until now, I haven't read anyone from yours come forward to reason soundly against the concerns raised in my posts on these two staggering Muslim practices today:

(a) Muhammad severly warned against any Muslim building mosques on graves of even venerating the TOMBS of any Islamic figure. But what you have in reality today is that Muslims in many places have largely thrashed that very prohibition and built the graves and tombs INSIDE the many Mosques around the world!

(b) A second one is the warning of Muhammad against drawing pictures or using musical instruments. Despite the threat of Allah destroying overnight any Muslim who paints pictures, uses musical instruments, or even transforming them into dogs until the Day of Resurrection, many Muslims agains have thrashed such threats from Muhammad and indeed engaged in the arts with fascinating masterpieces!

My question now is this: IF you pander to such clip cuttings from the media about what some denomination in the Church practices which is largely a departure from Biblical Christianity, can we not say the same for the MILLIONS of Muslims who have completely DISREGARD the warnings of Muhammad?

Oh, BTW. . . did you know that several of the mosques have stone slaps buried in the tombs which Muslims have supposed are the footprints of Muhammad? What's more, some of those tombs with the footprints are built inside the mosques!!

soladnet:


Nevertheless, I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
(HOLY BIBLE) John 16:7

The word "Comforter" above is "al-Moouzzi" in Arabic. I asked the lady, "Who is the "al-Moouzzi" (The Comforter) of this prophecy?" She said, " do not know," She was honest She did not beat around the bush. So I said that we are told in the Holy Qur'an that Jesus Christ (pbuh) had told his disciples

", and giving Glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me whose name shall be Ahmed"
(SURAH SAFF) QURAN 61:6

BIBLICAL CONFIRMATION
Remember, that in the sixth century of the Christian Era, when Muhummed (pbuh) was chanting God's words which was systematically "put into his mouth," ' the Arabic Bible had not yet been translated. He could never have known that he was fulfilling and confirming the utterances of his predecessor Jesus (pbuh) to the letter.

Don't worry your head. Muhammad is NOT the Comforter - and I've clearly set that out.

When Jesus spoke of the Comforter in John 14 through 16, He clearly defined who He was referring to - and He said the Comforter is the Spirit!

[list]John 14:16 & 17
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."

John 15:26
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."

John 16:13
"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."[/list]


It is clear that Jesus identified the Comforter as "THE SPIRIT of TRUTH".

My simple question is:

WHERE did ALLAH ever refer to Muhammad as "THE SPIRIT"?!?


Read more here:
(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-90174.0.html#msg1637819).

Cheers.

wow wow wow. what an interesting thread. Arguments from different sides of the pond. Very insightful. My only addition is that some people will never change. all you have to do is just read their previous threads and you sure will get my gist.
Attacking, justifying, forcefully changing people's mindset/opinions about religion is sure not the way. Everyone is their own individual and have a right to believe/worship whomsoever they find comfort/peace with or through.
Ignorance should now be a thing of the past.

soladnet:

The xtian believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and He is God and the Saviour.

If you Analyse,
Let take them one after the other

Jesus is the Son of the MAIN GOD, OK
Jesus is the MAIN GOD, Doubt!
Jesus is the Saviour, OK
If u consider the above statements you find out that they do not match! The Main God cannot be the son of another God, may be if we re-arrange them it may make sense,

your lame attempt at an "analysis" is simply an attempt to islamically interprete the bible. How can you understand the bible when you dont even understand the quran?

Jesus Christ is God. . . Read Jesus Christ's reply to Phillip in the book of Jonh.
Jesus Christ is the Son of God . . . unfortunately you are struggling so hard to use human reasoning to explain this. The appelation "Son of God" does not imply that Jesus Christ was begotten of a natural father and mother thru sex! Likewise we are also called Sons of God, did God sleep with our mothers?

soladnet:

Jesus is the MAIN GOD, OK
Jesus is the Son of the MAIN GOD, Doubt!
Jesus is the Saviour, OK
now, if the statement is re-considered, there is still a problem! If Jesus is the Main GOD and He is later known to have a father, who is that father to US! ,
If u now analyse the whole statement, If jesus cannot be GOD and the SON of GOD then he can not be the Saviour!However, he has brought a message to us! thats right. Agreed!
Hence, a messanger is the person who is sent with a message. He is therefor a MESSENGER. He also prophesise, then he is a PROPHET! AGREED!

lol Another attempt to use human reasoning to define what you clearly dont understand. Again for a better understanding of who the Father is pls read Jesus Christ reply to Phillip - If you have seen Me you have also seen the Father!
- For I am in the Father and the Father in Me. those who have the Holy Spirit to guide them will understand this. For those trying to use quranic lenses to read this, it will forever remain a stumbling block to you.

Jesus Christ came NOT with a message (that is mohammed's lie) but with a clear purpose - TO LAY DOWN HIS LIFE FOR OUR SINS! For He came NOT to bring another law BUT to fulfill the law.

@ Soladnet, you waste precious time trying to recycle "contradictions" in the bible that have been explained more than 1000 times now. Pls concentrate on answering Pilgrim.1's cogent question. All of you have been avoiding it since.

[size=13pt]WHERE did ALLAH ever refer to Muhammad as "THE SPIRIT"?!?[/size]

surprisingly , allah

davidLIER

abeg hang yourself,  d world is too small for you,

this your hate against Islam and Muslims will not reduce anything from us, and will not add anything to you,

we have Jeff Tiger (Now Muhammad Salim) after spending 40 years biasing Islam, and writing against it, finally he converted to Islam now,

I hope you will also do convert one day,  but we don't want you to come and start biasing christians or jews please,  (Personal Invitation for you),  Do you have a Church? I don't think you have one, but a friend I know with a church have converted to Islam and converted almost 80% of his church members,,, they were asking of membership fee to Islam, ah its totally free there is no form to fill, nothing to pay, and they converted without getting a penny, because they saw d truth, and they follow it,  Christians sorry woooo,  I do not mean to say anything against Christians, I have lots of christian friends and we are living happily together,  and understanding each other, though always commenting on people with davidLIER's attitude,

oh sorry, a friend of mine living in abuja, just converted to Islam,  what can you say,

RE: What do Arab Christians Call God?

Of course they call God "Allah". "Allah" is a unique name seeing that it has not gender classification, that is, there is no female name for Allah or plural name for Allah. So it is referred to only the One Creator of everything that exists. Arab Christians do call Allah because that is the direct translation for "God" note the capital "G" not gods or goddess but God,  Allah cannot be used on idols, it refers to a supreme being,  while idols are of course created by Humans just like this computers are created,

auwal87:

Of course they call God "Allah". "Allah" is a unique name seeing that it has not gender classification, that is, there is no female name for Allah or plural name for Allah. So it is referred to only the One Creator of everything that exists. Arab Christians do call Allah because that is the direct translation for "God" note the capital "G" not gods or goddess but God, Allah cannot be used on idols, it refers to a supreme being, while idols are of course created by Humans just like this computers are created,

did you read the history of the 360 idols in the kaaba before coming up with such a bogus lie?

@auwal87,

auwal87:

we have Jeff Tiger (Now Muhammad Salim) after spending 40 years biasing Islam, and writing against it, finally he converted to Islam now,

Muslims actually cannot resist mentioning the conversion ('reversion') of figure from Christianity to Islam; but ask them about the conversion from Islam to Christianity, and then we see the real stuff you guys are made of.

Do I need to mention or remind you of notable figures who have left Islam for good? Oh, BTW. . . pilgrim.1 is one of them - and she's left Islam forever.

auwal87:

I hope you will also do convert one day, but we don't want you to come and start biasing christians or jews please, (Personal Invitation for you),

Please davidylan. . . when you become a Muslim, do let me know.

auwal87:

Do you have a Church? I don't think you have one, but a friend I know with a church have converted to Islam and converted almost 80% of his church members,,, they were asking of membership fee to Islam, ah its totally free there is no form to fill, nothing to pay

Lol. . . that's an amazing story! Unless his "church" comprised a small figure who were not grounded in the Truth of Who Jesus Christ truly is, we can understand the "almost 80%" transfer - which nobody else has heard of, except you and your famed friend! Afterall, 8 out of 10 people is still considered a fair 80%, abi?

auwal87:

and they converted without getting a penny, because they saw d truth, and they follow it

Your story sweet! As if conversions from Islam to Christianity is about "pennies"! It's good to know, though, the they didn't "get a penny"; maybe when 'the real Truth' dawns on them, they have have a taste of what Islam does to people who seek to leave Muhammad's religion!

auwal87:

Christians sorry woooo, I do not mean to say anything against Christians, I have lots of christian friends and we are living happily together, and understanding each other, though always commenting on people with davidLIER's attitude,

We understand! At least we can see the type of friends in your circle who cannot resist the temptation to be dubious about people's usernames.

auwal87:

oh sorry, a friend of mine living in abuja, just converted to Islam, what can you say,

Oh, I've seen lots more converting to Christianity with a sound conviction that your famed friends.

davidylan:

did you read the history of the 360 idols in the kaaba before coming up with such a bogus lie?

Obviously, he could not. He wasn't interested in those issues - all he wanted you to celebrate were his friend's 80% conversion evangelism to Islam!

1. The Ka'aba was built by Prophet Abraham with his Son Ishmael.
2. The Idolaters later take over the Ka'aba thus Christians and Jews cannot take it from them
3. Prophet Muhammad arrives, Islam took over the Ka'aba and removed all the 360 Idols in it.
4. The Ka'aba once again becomes a sacred place for all that believe in the religion of Abraham (Islam)
5. Islam perfected the religion of Abraham and made it utmostly perfect, do not look at the People in it, please look at the religion itself.
6. Islam is the last and final religion which will live with us forever, we will be with it forever, Qur'an will stay for ever, Islam is here to stay,

Shame on you hatredsss of Islam, I wish God will direct you to the right way as He does to many others that are more violent and hate Islam thousand times as you do,

It is not a fault if Muslim convert to Christianity but the ratio is clear it is 1:100, 100 Christians converted to Islam before 1 Muslim convert to Christianity,

@auwal87,

auwal87:

Shame on you hatredsss of Islam, I wish God will direct you to the right way as He does to many others that are more violent and hate Islam thousand times as you do,

We continue to see Islamic violence - stop acting like you're living in a planet nobody is yet to discover!

auwal87:

It is not a fault if Muslim convert to Christianity but the ratio is clear it is 1:100, 100 Christians converted to Islam before 1 Muslim convert to Christianity,

That is a blatant LIE - and the shame is another manifestation of how desperate you Muslims will do anything to keep deceiving yourselves and the public! I know, because I left Islam for good and forever!

auwal87:

1. The Ka'aba was built by Prophet Abraham with his Son Ishmael.

We've been through this merry-go-round before. Claiming that Abraham built the kaaba is akin to saying that the kaaba is more than 4000yrs old. We know that is not true.
- there are NO quranic or hadith records of this bogus claim besides the unreliable words of mohammed. No where does either allah, abraham or ishmeal authenticate this claim.
Biblical sources on the other hand show that abraham parted company with hagar and ishmael when ishmael was but a little boy. It is doubtful that a 12 yr old would have been strong enough to go building a kaaba with his father in the desert. Abraham's entire journey of life from his call by God is recorded in the bible, no where are we regaled by tales of his building a kaaba.

- Mohammed claims the kaaba was built 40 yrs before the al Aksa mosque in Jerusalem. The al aqsa mosque could not have been built BEFORE 70AD since the temple of Jerusalem was not destroyed until then. Based on this, the kaaba would have been built at about 30AD at the earliest!
Now comes the most ridiculous of all . . . was Abraham alive in the yr 30 AD?

auwal87:

2. The Idolaters later take over the Ka'aba thus Christians and Jews cannot take it from them

The Jews had the Temple of Solomon, pilgrims travelled from far and wide to Jerusalem every yr to worship at this temple. It is imcomprehensible that they would have needed the kaaba at all. Infact no record is made of the jews ever heading to a site of worship in the arabian desert.
The christians have the Holy Spirit, they dont need the kaaba either.

auwal87:

3. Prophet Muhammad arrives, Islam took over the Ka'aba and removed all the 360 Idols in it.

They left 3 behind . . . one each for allah and his 2 daughters. Go back and read your history books again.

auwal87:

4. The Ka'aba once again becomes a sacred place for all that believe in the religion of Abraham (Islam)

The erroneous claim that the religion of Abraham is islam is not just fraudulent but frankly inpossible. Besides the words of mohammed, what is the proof of this?
Where are the words of abraham in the quran? Where is his history in the hadith?

auwal87:

5. Islam perfected the religion of Abraham and made it utmostly perfect, do not look at the People in it, please look at the religion itself.

You must be feeling very sleepy, every point of yours simply sinks lower into the abyss of grandiose delusions.
God called Abraham into a FRIENDSHIP with Him and not to set up a religion. I read through the bible (since of course neither the quran nor the hadith contains ANYTHING on Abraham that i may compare with) and i see no set of rules or rituals that Abraham was compelled to perform.
Isaac inherited his father's faith and covenant with God . . . care to tell us what Isaac's religion was since we see nothing about Ishmael?

auwal87:

6. Islam is the last and final religion which will live with us forever, we will be with it forever, Qur'an will stay for ever, Islam is here to stay,

Keep dreaming. Wake up before it is too late.

@auwal87,

It does not cost any penny to simple be honest! When you come in a public place to tell such large lies, who would you suppose would be taken in by such? You were thinking this is a place for aunty Aina's version of Tales by Moonlight?

Shame on you hatredsss of Islam, I[b] wish God will direct you to the right way as He does to many others [/b] that are more violent and hate Islam thousand times as you do,

Babs is a very good example of reversion
A big Amin for your prayer

babs787:


Babs is a very good example of reversion
A big Amin for your prayer

Lol. . . "revert" from what to what?

@pilgrims

Lol. . . "revert" from what to what?

Frm falsehood

babs787:

@pilgrims

Frm falsehood

Lol. . . I hear!

@pilgrims

Tks for the brotherly advice

babs787:

@pilgrims

Tks for the brotherly advice

Lol. . . brotherly? That's one reason why I'll still be praying for you.

davidylan:

lol Another attempt to use human reasoning to define what you clearly don't understand. Again for a better understanding of who the Father is please read Jesus Christ reply to Phillip - If you have seen Me you have also seen the Father!
- For I am in the Father and the Father in Me. those who have the Holy Spirit to guide them will understand this. For those trying to use quranic lenses to read this, it will forever remain a stumbling block to you.

How can u know the truth if u dont use ur logical reasoning? lol

may be what u believe to be religion is "What it says", and u b'liv it without proof!!! For an Educated and civilized HUMAN isn't that rediculouse!

Why do u enphsize on these ("If you have seen Me you have also seen the Father!" and "For I am in the Father and the Father in Me" when u know there are two people involved!

The first statement above (If you have seen Me you have also seen the Father) is simply letting u understand that what he is saying is from GOD (U called Him His Father), he is sent by Him.

While the second statement (For I am in the Father and the Father in Me) means a mutual relationship between them!

What u should understand here is that, the Bibble, IS NOT REVEALED TO JESUS IN ENGLISH! (Let that stick to your head from now ON!!!) go and learn the REAL language (Aramaic)!!!. The fact is that, there cant be an exact translation of any language, The translation of the bible to english are done by different Authors thats y there is no consistency!!!



AND HERE COMES THE BIG QUESTION (YOU THINK, right?!!!),

davidylan:


@ Soladnet, you waste precious time trying to recycle "contradictions" in the bible that have been explained more than 1000 times now. Please concentrate on answering Pilgrim.1's cogent question. All of you have been avoiding it since.

[size=13pt]WHERE did ALLAH ever refer to Muhammad as "THE SPIRIT"?!?[/size]

If am to answer the Question (which is not asked rightly) as it is being asked, then the answer is a capital "NO".
Your Question needs to be re-framed cos u have asked it with the level of ur understanding of the two religions Most especially The Christianity.

Quoting, prigrim.1: " WHERE did ALLAH ever refer to Muhammad as "THE SPIRIT"?!?"

I surpose ur are refering to this Biblical Quote,

John 14:16 & 17
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."

I belive, definatly u passed through school and u understand English very much. The spirit in the bible Qoute here does not mean the comforter Himself but the spirit of the truth: which will abide with every1 4ever!!!



Now The Answer To Your Question

Muhammed is the comforter and the message he brought is the truth which will be with every1 4ever!!!

pilgrim.1:

@soladnet,

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In the same way, I've used this same example as you proposed in discussing with some of your own apologists. Up until now, I haven't read anyone from yours come forward to reason soundly against the concerns raised in my posts on these two staggering Muslim practices today:

(a) Muhammad severly warned against any Muslim building mosques on graves of even venerating the TOMBS of any Islamic figure. But what you have in reality today is that Muslims in many places have largely thrashed that very prohibition and built the graves and tombs INSIDE the many Mosques around the world!

(b) A second one is the warning of Muhammad against drawing pictures or using musical instruments. Despite the threat of Allah destroying overnight any Muslim who paints pictures, uses musical instruments, or even transforming them into dogs until the Day of Resurrection, many Muslims agains have thrashed such threats from Muhammad and indeed engaged in the arts with fascinating masterpieces!

My question now is this: IF you pander to such clip cuttings from the media about what some denomination in the Church practices which is largely a departure from Biblical Christianity, can we not say the same for the MILLIONS of Muslims who have completely DISREGARD the warnings of Muhammad?

Oh, BTW. . . did you know that several of the mosques have stone slaps buried in the tombs which Muslims have supposed are the footprints of Muhammad? What's more, some of those tombs with the footprints are built inside the mosques!!

Don't worry your head. Muhammad is NOT the Comforter - and I've clearly set that out.

When Jesus spoke of the Comforter in John 14 through 16, He clearly defined who He was referring to - and He said the Comforter is the Spirit!

[list]John 14:16 & 17
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."

John 15:26
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."

John 16:13
"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."[/list]


It is clear that Jesus identified the Comforter as "THE SPIRIT of TRUTH".

Thanks for asking the lettered Questions and I will be very happy to answer ur Q without missing any1 out,

first,

Do u have a proof that Muhammed warned that graves should not be build in the mosque?
you see you have mis-interprete the whole thing!!! there is difference between grave and a cementry/graveyard!

the prophet warned against building a mosq on a Cementry and a Bathroom Nor is it permissible for a Muslim to offer his prayer facing a grave or a tomb or any burial place. The Prophet curses the children of Israel for having "turned the graves of their prophets into praying places."

As fot the stones which are used in place of the Muhammed's footprint, these are fabricated!!! its obvious you have never been into a mosque, what ever you see in the mosq arround the Imam (leader) is not a grave but either where the Imam stays or sits down,

Secondly

The prophet warned against Status because it is widely used as and Idol (isnt that resonable enough?) and he also warned against pictures not being place in front of a praying person (some1 performing salat), this is because it will definatly cause distraction (which is not allowed in salat (prayer)). Now, its ok for some1 to have a picture or draw and image so far it not placed in front of you while prayin,

Implication

Ofcourse there are implication for puting or using status in one's home! And it just that angels will never enter such houses where images (Status) are placed, so u c y He (Prohphet Muhammed) has preach, not realy against, but he strongly recomend not to have a status. and if you have one, no stress

I hope this is clear to you now.

@Pligrim.1: Good morning. I wish you a successful week ahead and really to everyone on Nairaland!

As per your response to Solanet dated November 01, I see in John 16: 13, that the comforter which is the spirit of truth will come after Jesus leaves. This spirit of truth/comforter, will testify of Jesus (meaning whatever that spirit will say of Jesus will be the whole truth and nothing but the truth, right?). The spirit of truth/comforter, will guide you into all truth (I guess it is not meant for that generation that Jesus was talking to alone, would know this truthful guidance. It must have to be prevailing and unchanging, in its purity and content, till the end of time, covering all gereations).

This spirit of truth/comforter is so because he does not speak of himself (I am assuming he receives everything that he says from superior authority, in this case God; is there any higher power? Therefore, he will not make up stories/stuffs and pass it on as authentic. He will give credit to the source of the materials he will pass on)

This spirit of truth/comforter will speak only what he hears (Nothing els, nothhing of his own is permitted, nothing!) The spirit of truth/comforter shall speak ( He is audible, not a silenced speech. Audibility to mankind, not ghostly. Unless you have heard voices from being or beings which is not body infused with soul. Humanbeing is body and soul)


This spirit of truth/comforter will show you things to come ( Either by speech or actions, he will tell you future occurences and events. There will nothing that he says that will not happen before the end of this world as mankind knows it)


From the above on that verse of John 16;13, please first correct my assumption. If am at least not defining it to fit my purpose, please say so and then move on to define and pinpoint this man (because the masculine gender is used to describe it). We already know that Paul cannot be that comforter and none of the Bible writers can be this also. What have you gotten from this spirit of truth/comforter that have been transferred to this generation, exactly, from the generation that witnessed the fulfillment of John 16:13?

Lets hear it and give us the source. No copy of that source should be differen from another copy. they must be exactly alike in sound/ letter and sentence structure, etc. The whole christian community must agree with it.

davidylan:


The erroneous claim that the religion of Abraham is islam is not just fraudulent but frankly inpossible. Besides the words of mohammed, what is the proof of this?
Where are the words of abraham in the quran? Where is his history in the hadith?

Its obvious that davidlan argues without enough knowledge of what he is saying (argues blindly). If you realy know about the two religion then you would known that there are difference beween the Qur'an and the Hadith. There is no difference of what so ever b/w what muhammed says and the Hadith. In other words, what ever Muhammed says, His tradition, the sayings of his caliphs (succesors) are what is refered to as hadith.

I recomend that you read the Qur'an and i asure u, u will c the true history of Abraham, u will get, in full details, stories that are half told in the Bible. Not only that, check (read) the Hadith, and you will realise that it contains alot of history of the prophets. All these was said by an UNLETERED MAN (A stack Ilitrate, he neither knows how to read nor write)

So, posting your view to nairaland without proof does not make sense, i think you are geting short of ideas (I think, )

davidylan:

You must be feeling very sleepy, every point of yours simply sinks lower into the abyss of grandiose delusions.
God called Abraham into a FRIENDSHIP with Him and not to set up a religion. I read through the bible (since of course neither the quran nor the hadith contains ANYTHING on Abraham that i may compare with) and i see no set of rules or rituals that Abraham was compelled to perform.
Isaac inherited his father's faith and covenant with God . . . care to tell us what Isaac's religion was since we see nothing about Ishmael?

Keep dreaming. Wake up before it is too late.

Lol, it seems u dont know what u r saying,

Abraham was the next prophet after Noha (Nuhu). If you read your Bible Very well (No need of reading other scriptures), it will tell you that the people during Nuha's time were distroyed only those that stayed with Him in the Boat. Meanwhile, those that stayed with him did not believed in what he preached, they enter the boat just for entering sake, when they get back to the land, they started all over again with their idol worshiping. years later after the death of Nuha, then comes Abraham (as a prophet). Now, God did not call Abraham only for friendship, but also to preach the truth. To identify the true GOD who is one and has no partner, and so on.

As pa the ritual stuff, lol

Dont tell me you have not read that in the bible, lol

have you forgotten the promise Abraham made to GOD?

Have you forgotten how Ismaeel was replace with a RAM?

ofcourse the bible would not tell you more about the ismaeel cause it has been altered to concieve the truth!!!


If you u want to know about Isaac then i will tell you.

I saac was a Jew, he is the forefather of Jesus, but he is not the forefather of Moses (let that stick in to your head too) while Ismaeel is the founder of the Arab world (this too, lol). If you go through the genealogy of Moses and Jesus, that where you will know that genealogically, they do not relate at all!!! that where Muhammed comes IN

According to my research all the prophets are genealogically related. that of issac stops on JESUS while that of Ismaeel Stops on MUHAMMED!!! (did you religion tell you that? lol)

I strongly recomend that you go for studies about you religion. cos you only know what is being preached in the church which only teach you how to sing and dance to songs. lol


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Thanks for your post olabowale, i think you are more reseanable to the issue onground

soladnet:

I recomend that you read the Qur'an and i asure u, u will c the true history of Abraham, u will get, in full details, stories that are half told in the Bible. Not only that, check (read) the Hadith, and you will realise that it contains alot of history of the prophets. All these was said by an UNLETERED MAN (A stack Ilitrate, he neither knows how to read nor write)

Pls no long thing . . . kindly show us FROM THE QURAN who the father of Abraham was. Can we chart Abraham's journey, the birth of Ishmeal, Isaac and the replacement of Isaac with the ram IN THE QURAN?
Where are the histories of the "prophets" in the hadith? Where did Elijah come from? Who was Isaiah's father? Where was John the Baptist born?

soladnet:

Abraham was the next prophet after Noha (Nuhu). If you read your Bible Very well (No need of reading other scriptures), it will tell you that the people during Nuha's time were distroyed only those that stayed with Him in the Boat. Meanwhile, those that stayed with him did not believed in what he preached, they enter the boat just for entering sake, when they get back to the land, they started all over again with their idol worshiping. years later after the death of Nuha, then comes Abraham (as a prophet). Now, God did not call Abraham only for friendship, but also to preach the truth. To identify the true GOD who is one and has no partner, and so on.

No dear, you just told me the QURAN contains the full story of Abraham where the bible only has half stories . . . why refer me to the bible again to read up the stories of Noah and Abraham? Where can i find this story you tell IN THE QURAN? Surely allah must have remembered to "reveal" this to mohammed.

God called Abraham into a covenant - to make him the father of all nations (and the line of Isreal) . . . no where do we read of Abraham prophesying to all nations. you must be reading upside down.

soladnet:

Dont tell me you have not read that in the bible, lol

Maybe allah mentioned it, care to show me the verses in the quran?

soladnet:

have you forgotten the promise Abraham made to GOD?

Where is it IN THE QURAN or are you just plagiarising from the bible again?

soladnet:

Have you forgotten how Ismaeel was replace with a RAM?

lol what a liar!! Did your quran tell you it was Ishmael replaced with a ram or Isaac?

soladnet:

ofcourse the bible would not tell you more about the ismaeel cause it has been altered to concieve the truth!!!

Show us the truth from the quran or produce allah's own "original" version of the torah first!

soladnet:

If you u want to know about Isaac then i will tell you.

Show me! From the quran and hadith only!!

soladnet:

I saac was a Jew, he is the forefather of Jesus, but he is not the forefather of Moses (let that stick in to your head too) while Ismaeel is the founder of the Arab world (this too, lol). If you go through the genealogy of Moses and Jesus, that where you will know that genealogically, they do not relate at all!!! that where Muhammed comes IN

Moses's parents WERE jewish!! Stop this two faced lies!

soladnet:

According to my research all the prophets are genealogically related. that of issac stops on JESUS while that of Ismaeel Stops on MUHAMMED!!! (did you religion tell you that? lol)

What a dull fellow. Pray how are Elijah, Deborah, Joshua, Ezekiel and Hosea related?

@Davidylan: Stop all these puffed up arrogance of too know; For starter, arent all human beings, indeed brothers and sisters to one another, from Adam? Thats your answer and stop to think for a moment. Ako e poju!

@olabowale,

olabowale:

@Davidylan: Stop all these puffed up arrogance of too know; For starter, arent all human beings, indeed brothers and sisters to one another, from Adam? Thats your answer and stop to think for a moment. Ako e poju!

Lol. . . I no fit laff finish! Wish I had more time - bu perhaps I could rush a few replies here (forgive the typos).

I wish that Muhammad had seen all human beings as indeed brothers and sisters to one another. Then perhaps you would need to rethink your Muslim distance from aposlte Paul!

@soladnet,

soladnet:

I recomend that you read the Qur'an and i asure u, u will c the true history of Abraham, u will get, in full details, stories that are half told in the Bible. Not only that, check (read) the Hadith, and you will realise that it contains alot of history of the prophets. All these was said by an UNLETERED MAN (A stack Ilitrate, he neither knows how to read nor write)

Lol. . . excuse me: but it is best you guys bleach this obvious fallacy that you copied from rascal Muslim apologists. Bottomline: Muhammad was NOT a stark illiterate!!

A "stark illiterate" can't read, write, or dictate letters to others.

If you keep up this rascal assumption by the time I return, you would be inviting me to take Muslims to task on that issue and once again bleach the duplicity off!! Don't be in a rush to assume what you haven't checked out.

soladnet:

Thanks for your post olabowale, i think you are more reseanable to the issue onground

Yes, olabowale has my respects as well. . . until he, too, begins to touch wetin he no fit handle!

@soladnet,

I'm quite occupied this week, but just popped in to see what's going on and thought I could use my short break to walk through your reposte. Although you also have my respects for trying to very calmly reason issues through, could you kindly indulge me to very quickly walk through your assumptions?

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soladnet:

How can u know the truth if u don't use your logical reasoning? lol

Isn't it clear that the many Muslims who appeal to "logical reasoning" are the ones who are in need of that very thing the most?

soladnet:

may be what u believe to be religion is "What it says", and u b'liv it without proof!!! For an Educated and civilized HUMAN isn't that rediculouse!

Lol. . . what have you Muslims done with the evidence for most of the issues you have noised on the Forum?

soladnet:

Why do u enphsize on these ("If you have seen Me you have also seen the Father!" and "For I am in the Father and the Father in Me" when u know there are two people involved!

And that is why you need to carefully observe its context before trailing your mind on inferences that you don't understand. In just the same way, how is it that Islam preaches that Muslims should believe in Muhammad the same as they believe in Allah when we know that Allah is not Muhammad? That is a question that many Muslims do not ever want to consider, and yet you guys are quickly delighted to seek every excuse to discredit Christianity.

soladnet:

The first statement above (If you have seen Me you have also seen the Father) is simply letting u understand that what he is saying is from GOD (You called Him His Father), he is sent by Him.

Thank you for attempting an explanation. However, it falls far short of the meaning of that verse (John 14:9). Jesus Christ is indeed the Revealer of the Father; and the LOVE of the Father is fully expressed in none other than in the Son of God. (see John 3:16).

soladnet:

While the second statement (For I am in the Father and the Father in Me) means a mutual relationship between them!

Which could possibly be, and I give that to you. However, Muhammad never once addressed God as "Father". If he did, could you please show us? Where indeed did Muhamad express this "mutual relationship" between himself and the Father?

soladnet:

What u should understand here is that, the Bibble, IS NOT REVEALED TO JESUS IN ENGLISH! (Let that stick to your head from now ON!!!) go and learn the REAL language (Aramaic)!!!

First, I don't see where davidylan argued that the Bible was "revealed" to Jesus in English! This Muslim idea that some 'books' were "revealed" to the prophets is the reason why you fail to see that Muhammad no no true relationship with God. How so? Has it ever occured to you that God spoke directly to all the Biblical prophets - but even Muhammad declared that God did not speak to him directly?

Second, even when you read the Bible, it would require very GREAT FAITH to again DENY that even in Aramaic, Jesus addressed God as "ABBA" (basically meaning, 'Father').

What we would now be more interested in than anything else, is WHERE did Muhammad even once speak of God (or, 'Allah') as ABBA ('Father')? If he did, please show us - and let us know what he meant by so doing.

soladnet:

The fact is that, there can't be an exact translation of any language, The translation of the bible to english are done by different Authors thats y there is no consistency!!!

The inconsitency also appears in the various English translations of the Qur'an by various authors. And if you have a problem with that of the Bible translations, you should also have a more serious concern for the various inconsistencies of the translations of the Qur'an.

In all, I have not come across any translation of the Bible into English that denies the fact that Jesus used the word "ABBA" in referring to the Father! And yet, not one English translation of the Qur'an has made the mistake of addressing Allah in the Qur'an as "ABBA" ('Father').

You cannot use your own inconsistencies to discredit the Bible. To do so is to display the same Muslim hypocrisy that I'd always called attention on the Forum.