@somze
quite appreciate the link but check out htis also

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51404

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/15.01/nasa.html

Losing the original tape?

na wa o. moon landing hoax america planned 9/11 MI5 killed princess diana what next? george bush is black

please understand that if it was not for america's space program, we won't have gone as far as understanding space as much as we do today, including climate change and global warming. we are quick to discredit a development that the whole world is benefitting from.

So all the rock samples that were returned from the moon and distributed to research institutes around the world (Japan, UK, France, South Korea etc), where did they come from? Or are all these countries collaborators too?

Please understand that in the west conspiracy theory is a means of livelihood, people live off things like this, otherwise they won't waste their time and effort. Once upon a time, it was unthinkable that man can fly, let alone fly 500 people at once with onboard casinos, private sleeping quarters, toilets and in-house entertainment.

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  Re: Hoax! America Didnt Go To The Moon!
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this are a list of questions that shows that the moon landing was hoax

1.One NASA picture from Apollo 11 is looking up at Neil Armstrong about to take his giant step for mankind. The photographer must have been lying on the planet surface. If Armstrong was the first man on the Moon, then who took the shot?

2.  A camera panned upwards to catch Apollo 16's Lunar Landerlifting off the Moon.  Who did the filming?

3.  Apollo 14 astronaut Allen Shepard played golf on the Moon. In front of a worldwide TV audience, Mission Control teased him about slicing the ball to the right. Yet a slice is caused by uneven air flow over the ball. The Moon has no atmosphere and no air.

4. The Moon landings took place during the Cold War. Why didn't America make a signal on the moon that could be seen from earth? The PR would have been phenomenal and it could have been easily done with magnesium flares.

5.The flags shadow goes behind the rock so doesn't match the dark line in the foreground, which looks like a line cord. So the shadow to the lower right of the spaceman must be the flag. Where is his shadow? And why is the flag fluttering if there is no air or wind on the moon?

6. How can the flag be brightly lit when its side is to the light? And where, in all of these shots, are the stars?


more still to come   

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stalecite endure kembers
http://mdsock..com

You really think these are new??


Sigh!!!!

Anyways, I am still waiting for answers to my questions to babasin and the other dude,

We are here tearing our obante trying to discredit a nation that stands out amongst GIANTS while our 'beloved' Nigerian 'government' is busy 'renovating' two houses with N600 Million while equipping our fire fighters with flip flops and buckets.

In your world. . .

America = Bad/Devil/Antichrist/Shaytan/Ekwensu

Arab = Good/Victim/Saints

Holocaust = Myth/Fallacy

What else is new?

OH BOY!!!! Now you gone and done it,  You have gone and posted exactly what we have been avoiding,  soon they will turn this thread as well into another fight against the jews and those they can not stand thread,  and all those of us crying for sanity and reasoning will be tagged anti arabs, antimuslims and zionists and neocons, oh well,   . Some help!!!!!

grafikdon:

In your world. . .

America = Bad/Devil/Antichrist/Shaytan/Ekwensu

Arab = Good/Victim/Saints

Holocaust = Myth/Fallacy

What else is new?

For God sake, stick to the thread topic or keep quite!

@Kobojunkie
pls what's the question

KubeSolja:

For God sake, stick to the thread topic or keep quite!

What's the difference between that and the content of this thread? Bottom line is: This line of argument is very irritating, either way.

mdsocks:

@Kobojunkie
please what's the question

Go back to page one and you will see them @mdsocks, your own questions there are sort of like a kid asking questions that we know so well can be easily answered but he feels he is intelligent and the first to come up with that sort of thinking.

I would only have come to believe you conpiracy theorists if you would at least stay away from everything america when you put forth your information against america.

*sigh*
Don't any of you guys actually READ anything? This conspiracy theory has been raging for over 5 years now, and this is the first time most of you are hearing about this?

The Original poster has been proven to be a liar and rabble-rouser. Apparently, his beef for the west stems from his inability to obtain a Canadian Visa.
Once again Afam and babasin prove themselves as incapable of using thier brains. Even if you feel the US has lied in the past about the Iraqi WMDs, does that stop you from researching into an issue before you make your contributions?

it's only a matter of time before these conspiracy theorists start going on about aliens in area 51. if anyone needs instand publicity, there's a good hoax to start off on

@ Kobojunkie AND texazzpete
Am not in any way against America, Why would i?
Am discussing the thread and not What america stands for in my own view
I must tell you these, check my posts you can't see a place am talking against the US
Geography is one of my best subjects and i can't deny a fact that a thing is false

continuing the thread----
One of the questions that shows that the landing was an hoax was that?

An astrophysicist who has worked for NASA writes that it takes two meters of shielding to protect against medium solar flares and that heavy ones give out tens of thousands of rem in a few hours.  Russian scientists calculated in 1959 that astronauts needed a shield of 4 feet of lead to protect them on the Moons surface. Why didn't the astronauts on Apollo 14 and 16 die after exposure to this immense amount of radiation? And why are NASA only starting a project now to test the lunar radiation levels and what their effects would be on the human body if they have sent 12 men there already?



2.  The astronauts in these "pressurized" suits were easily able to bend their fingers, wrists, elbows, and knees at 5.2 p.s.i. and yet a boxer's 4 p.s.i. speed bag is virtually unbendable.  The guys would have looked like balloon men if the suits had actually been pressurized.


3.   With more than a two second signal transmission round trip, how did a camera pan upward to track the departure of the Apollo 16 LEM? Gus Grissom, before he got burned alive in the Apollo I disaster A few minutes before he was burned to death in the Apollo I tragedy, Gus Grissom said, 'Hey, you guys in the control center, get with it. You expect me to go to the moon and you can't even maintain telephonic communications over three miles.' This statement says a lot about what Grissom thought about NASA's progress in the great space race.


These are some of the questions you guys need to answer before i can be convinced that the landing on the moon was true.

It is not in dispute. The US did not land in moon.

Those evidence they provided proof them wrong;

1.no star in  their pictures.

2.flags shadow very wrong.

3.flag was busy waving

same as Saddam 'mobile WMD': This stupid black fellow(Powell); was busy lying to the whole UN. Alas, we know better.

mdsocks:

@ Kobojunkie AND texazzpete
Am not in any way against America, Why would i?
Am discussing the thread and not What america stands for in my own view
I must tell you these, check my posts you can't see a place am talking against the US
Geography is one of my best subjects and i can't deny a fact that a thing is false

continuing the thread----
One of the questions that shows that the landing was an hoax was that?

An astrophysicist who has worked for NASA writes that it takes two meters of shielding to protect against medium solar flares and that heavy ones give out tens of thousands of rem in a few hours.  Russian scientists calculated in 1959 that astronauts needed a shield of 4 feet of lead to protect them on the Moons surface. Why didn't the astronauts on Apollo 14 and 16 die after exposure to this immense amount of radiation? And why are NASA only starting a project now to test the lunar radiation levels and what their effects would be on the human body if they have sent 12 men there already?



2.  The astronauts in these "pressurized" suits were easily able to bend their fingers, wrists, elbows, and knees at 5.2 p.s.i. and yet a boxer's 4 p.s.i. speed bag is virtually unbendable.  The guys would have looked like balloon men if the suits had actually been pressurized.


3.   With more than a two second signal transmission round trip, how did a camera pan upward to track the departure of the Apollo 16 LEM? Gus Grissom, before he got burned alive in the Apollo I disaster A few minutes before he was burned to death in the Apollo I tragedy, Gus Grissom said, 'Hey, you guys in the control center, get with it. You expect me to go to the moon and you can't even maintain telephonic communications over three miles.' This statement says a lot about what Grissom thought about NASA's progress in the great space race.


These are some of the questions you guys need to answer before i can be convinced that the landing on the moon was true.

Here is the problem @MdSocks, Do you know much about the moon and the earth?? Again, your questions have already been answered so many times over and have been discussed and closed up on so many times over. I would really, PLEASE, AM BEGGING YOU ALL, to pick up books  to read. I mean it is understandable how people who are not scientifically minded to ask these questions once or twice, but if you cannot pick up a book to read for yourself to understand why those questions may have already been answered over and over and are no longer valid, ** Sigh, Do you know that the moon moves around the earth on it's axis yes, even a first grader can tell you  that and help you with that information to answer those questions which you post there.


http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/27jan_solarflares.htm

again, **** SIGH **** SIGH ***** SIGH, this is like watching some juju men debate surgical practices with certified Medical Surgeons. It drains me   . I believe Nigerians are intelligent people and we need to READ and do our research to learn how things work and why so we can rise above the stupidity some have come to claim as life in the Conspiracy ZONE. If you look into the lives of these people, they are as miserable as their conspiracies. Even the Russians who were defeated in the race are not howling that it was fake and we have Nigerians who are?? Are you SMARTER than the RUSSIANS then

babasin:

It is not in dispute. The US was did not land in moon.

Those evidence they provided proof them wrong;

1.no star in their pictures.

2.flags shadow very wrong.

3.flag was busy waving

same as Saddam 'mobile WMD': This stupid black fellow(Powell); was busy lying to the whole UN. Alas, we know better.

So this is your answer to my questions to you this is your so called proof?? That is it, After seeing how a person was able to convince you in just two posts that you are not black, I thought maybe I was wrong, but now I know for sure that I am right about you. You do not have to answer my questions anymore @babasin, goodluck with your life !!

@Kobojunkie
Don't try me in geography , am as hot as a frying pan ooooooooo

check the two photos
The astronuant in the first photo is backing the sun, and we have been told that due to the temp. , we don't have much light to see things, but why can we see his front view, is there some kind of artificial lighting ?
I think the photo speaks for itself.

The first is taken from NASA site
while the second is what the image should have been

enjoy

I wonder what you folks gain from all the attempt to discredit God's Own Country the USA. . . shey them deny una Visa? I am just asking o. . . no disrespect.   

I wonder too. God bless America 

omoge:

I wonder what you folks gain from all the attempt to discredit God's Own Country the USA. . . shey them deny una Visa? I am just asking o. . . no disrespect.

am not here to discredit the US, but to talk about what concerns me,
Geography and thats my life

God bless America

Ameen and Nigeria also.

@mdsocks
You really dissapoint me. Here's the link you claimed to have appreciated
http://unmuseum.mus.pa.us/moonhoax.htm

Yet you try to invalidate raw reasoning with insinuation that foul play had something to do with the mising tapes.

mdsocks:

@Kobojunkie
Don't try me in geography , am as hot as a frying pan ooooooooo

check the two photos
The astronuant in the first photo is backing the sun, and we have been told that due to the temp. , we don't have much light to see things, but why can we see his front view, is there some kind of artificial lighting ?
I think the photo speaks for itself.

The first is taken from NASA site
while the second is what the image should have been

enjoy

you claim you have great knowledge of Geography, yet you cannot understand that the moon reflects sunlight? The lunar surface is mostly a light gray and reflects light extremely well. Less haste, fewer assumptions and more research will benefit you greatly.

Kobojunkie:

Even the Russians who were defeated in the race are not howling that it was fake and we have Nigerians who are?? Are you SMARTER than the RUSSIANS then

lol, that's where you made the mistake,
The russians were not the only one defeated if it was really true but the whole of human race, cos i also want to be the first to land on the moon


If you remember Russia was having a terrible famine during late 60's and 70's and for no apparent reason, after a longtime trying to strave them to death, The US suddenly started to export massive amounts of grain to Russia and while the Soviets were supporting the vietcongs.

Russians also had an interest,if i am right  to keep the hoax going. Their philosophy is that man can triumph over nature (the communist Atheist Motto).

texazzpete:

@mdsocks
You really dissapoint me.

Sorry bros oo 

But you know what,i like how thre thread is moving
You get facts and we reason together, no personal issues 

Back to your point

yet you cannot understand that the moon reflects sunlight? The lunar surface is mostly a light gray and reflects light extremely well. Less haste, fewer assumptions and more research will benefit you greatly.

if that should be the case, then there should be no shadow,
But if what i think, there should be two shadows as skeptics have claimed that the earth is also illuminating the moon, so the guy in the image should have two shadows

fewer assumptions and more research will benefit you greatly.

thanks very much 

But would you care to answer the misconception on radiation
Where the astronauts well guarded against radiation?

This might convince you


This much they know:

Any trip beyond Earth orbit will involve radiation threats not faced by residents of the International Space Station, which sits inside the planet's magnetic field.

A 2-1/2-year trip to Mars, including six months of travel time each way, would expose an astronaut to nearly the lifetime limit of radiation allowed under NASA guidelines.

The Moon, with no atmosphere, is more dangerous than the surface of Mars. Lunar forays will have to be brief unless expensive shielded habitats are built.

Mission planners knew the Apollo astronauts would be at grave risk if a strong solar flare occurred during a mission. The short duration of each trip was a key to creating favorable odds.


[b]Particle radiation in space goes right through the human body and can tear apart strands of DNA, the software of life that resides inside a cell nucleus. Damaged cells can lose the ability perform normally and to repair themselves.

There are two primary forms of hazardous space radiation particles. (These particles are different from electromagnetic radiation, such as X-rays, visible light or the ultraviolet (UV) rays that cause skin cancer.)

High-energy particles emitted by the Sun during intense flares are one type. They move outward at millions of miles an hour and can strike the Earth-Moon system in a day or two. Earth's magnetic field shields the planet from most of these. Some get through, though, especially in intense streams lasting several hours when a storm's magnetic field is aligned in a certain way with that of the planet's.

Earth's atmosphere blocks out most of the rest of these particles.

An astronaut would not want to be caught outside during a solar storm. Even airlines reroute flights when the Sun gets nasty to avoid polar regions, where more of the radiation leaks in.

Someone walking on the Moon, even in a fancy space suit, would be good as naked in the face of the Sun's worst fury.

"If one were exposed to the full brunt of a solar event, that could cause acute effects in the very short term," Zeitlin explained in a telephone interview. "Quite severe illness" could result. NASA says the radiation sickness from a solar flare could kill an unprotected astronaut.
[/b]

@mdsocks
Why would the moon's reflection cast a second shadow on the moon itself? Isn't a shadow cast when an opaque body obscures light? When the same light is coming from the moon, why expect a shadow?
There's strong sunlight coming from the sun. even if the moon reflects light (just like the earth) why wouldn't there be a shadow from the sun's light? Some more thought needed, please.

The stuff about their limbs being flexible is pure bullcock. There's also a vacuum in space, yet don't astronauts move pretty well during spacewalks? or are you now saying all spacewalks are faked too?
haven't astronauts gone on spacewalks to carry out repairs on the International spacestation and other spacecraft? Sure would be had with 'unbendable' gloves et al, wouldn't it?

It has been known (and admitted!) by NASA eons ago that they gambled a bit, but careful study of solar flares gave at least some degree of certainty that they chose the right launch window. They had some reasonable level of protection against radiation.


For me, by far the most concrete confirmation of the moon landing is the HUGE number of people involved in the effort. To keep a secret, the fewer people that know it, the better. yet the hoax theory insinuates that all these people have kept sealed lips since then. I don't think that's feasible.

I'm sorry if the 'dissapointed in you' crack upset you. but you must realise that it doesn't cut it for you to seek for reasons to prove the hoax. rather seek for learning points that will benefit you as a scientist.

@texazzpete,

Can you finish a statement without bringing in other peoples names into it? It seems that your level of stupidity is getting way too high.

You feel you have a right to hold on to an opinion and others don't have rights to hold on to theirs? It is this type of intolerance that is slowly but steadily plunging the world into chaos.

Believe me dogs like you have no place in the world today silly pig.

texazzpete:

There's also a vacuum in space, yet don't astronauts move pretty well during spacewalks? or are you now saying all spacewalks are faked too?
haven't astronauts gone on spacewalks to carry out repairs on the International spacestation and other spacecraft? Sure would be had with 'unbendable' gloves et al, wouldn't it

I truly believe the spacewalks are real, but the landing on the moon in the 60s was nothing but false
If it was true why have they not returned to do moon in the last twenty years?
since they have gained enough experience from the other trips

@mdsocks

So why has NASA never been back in the last 30 years and why haven't the Russian's been?

As the main driving force was political, once the first landings had been accomplished and the USSR soundly beaten, the government finance started to dry up. The Apollo missions were incredibly expensive and people were starting to wonder if it was worth it now we knew it was just a dry lifeless rock and that the Russians weren't in the running anymore. The USSR space program had hit a number of very explosive failures and weren't so keen to go either now. There's little glory in being second on the moon. Within a decade or so and the USSR had enough problems running the country and their nuclear reactors to even consider trips to the moon.

The military weren't so bothered either. The idea of some kind of missile base on the moon was never a consideration. By the time it took the missiles to reach Earth everything would be over anyway. What was much more practical was satellites, spy and otherwise, and any military developments could be achieved easier and cheaper in low orbit than on the moon anyway. So the military preferred the money to be spent on the Shuttles.

That just leaves scientific reasons. The scientists would love to go back to the moon as there's bound to be lots more to discover. Unfortunately the scientists aren't in charge of handing out the money. If you're American ('cos lets face it, they're the only ones who could afford it) and you want to go back to the moon, then tell your politicians that. They need convincing.

http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/Go_Back.htm

mdsocks:

@Kobojunkie
Don't try me in geography , am as hot as a frying pan ooooooooo

check the two photos
The astronuant in the first photo is backing the sun, and we have been told that due to the temp. , we don't have much light to see things, but why can we see his front view, is there some kind of artificial lighting ?
I think the photo speaks for itself.

The first is taken from NASA site
while the second is what the image should have been

enjoy

I have been doing that and so far, you are yet to impress me with anything more than the same old stuff which you are yet to state Facts for @MdSocks. I am asking you the very source of all your information, not for you to tell me what I should see in the picture instead of what I see. Remember, I do not think as you do. I want facts to support your case not more propaganda. So, again, I am waiting for you to get into REAL TALK of the source of your information and not the same old jargons which if you do not realize, many of us have heard and alrteady dealt with in past years.

@mdsocks
Final proof

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html


another rebuttal

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast23feb_2.htm

It has a nice section here

The best rebuttal to allegations of a "Moon Hoax," however, is common sense. Evidence that the Apollo program really happened is compelling: A dozen astronauts (laden with cameras) walked on the Moon between 1969 and 1972. Nine of them are still alive and can testify to their experience. They didn't return from the Moon empty-handed, either. Just as Columbus carried a few hundred natives back to Spain as evidence of his trip to the New World, Apollo astronauts brought 841 pounds of Moon rock home to Earth.

"Moon rocks are absolutely unique," says Dr. David McKay, Chief Scientist for Planetary Science and Exploration at NASA's Johnson Space Center (JSC). McKay is a member of the group that oversees the Lunar Sample Laboratory Facility at JSC where most of the Moon rocks are stored. "They differ from Earth rocks in many respects," he added.

"For example," explains Dr. Marc Norman, a lunar geologist at the University of Tasmania, "lunar samples have almost no water trapped in their crystal structure, and common substances such as clay minerals that are ubiquitous on Earth are totally absent in Moon rocks."



I'm tired of this argument. the facts are obvious, and only someone hell-bent on mischief will still fall for this hoax story. I cannot and do not expect anyone that calls himself a scientist to be misguided by this.

mdsocks:

I truly believe the spacewalks are real, but the landing on the moon in the 60s was nothing but false
If it was true why have they not returned to do moon in the last twenty years?
since they have gained enough experience from the other trips

Let me make this even better for you,  with a better story
 

,  I truly believe WWII was real, but the dropping of the atomic bomb on hiroshima and Nagasaki was nothing but false. If it was true why have they not returned to drop another bomb in the last 40 years? since they have gained enough experience from the many other wars, 


Do you see how that logic goes yet?? @Mdsocks. I hope you see now why I am not asking you to TELL ME what to believe based on what you think but what really is so I can see where you get your reasoning from.

er. . . what frickin difference does it make if america went to the moon or not?
those faster than light starships, space colonies and all that jazz we were expecting to see in 2000 are nowhere to be found outside of entertainment!

oyb:

er. . . what frickin difference does it make if america went to the moon or not?
those faster than light starships, space colonies and all that jazz we were expecting to see in 2000 are nowhere to be found outside of entertainment!

We are waiting for you to not only build us one but convince us it is the way to go and make it affordable for us all. @oyb

Kobojunkie:


Let me make this even better for you,  with a better story
 

,  I truly believe WWII was real, but the dropping of the atomic bomb on hiroshima and Nagasaki was nothing but false. If it was true why have they not returned to drop another bomb in the last 40 years? since they have gained enough experience from the many other wars, 


Do you see how that logic goes yet?? @Mdsocks. I hope you see now why I am not asking you to TELL ME what to believe based on what you think but what really is so I can see where you get your reasoning from.

Inaccurate logic there
We are talking about space program here and not war
People are calling for world peace but nobody is against going into ouer space

mdsocks:

Inaccurate logic there
We are talking about space program here and not war
People are calling for world peace but nobody is against going into ouer space

Nope it is not inaccurate ,  Who is CALLING this Space mission to the moon ?? How many people?? You mean the majority of americans are willing to pay for it but NASA is denying them the trip to the moon?? Come on , !!!! Do you want them just to go to the moon for you

@Kobojunkie

Please provide answer to your questions ,
if mdsocks does not have them,
tell us if you can,