Even the attacking midfielder with goals and assist will still be ridiculed by this guy so what's the point

Ibime:
Arsenal fans should be celebrating news of injury to that wasteman Ozil.

I remember Gaynners celebrating his signing, I just been dey laugh. I heard Guardiola is interested. Y'all better pray Bayern comes to save you from that passenger .

Ibime:


I told you nigga, you don't know your thumb from your elbow pitting Fabregas with Mata and Ozil.

Shush when football heads are talking. I told you Mata and Ozil are passengers and they proved it. I told you Fab4 is needed at Chelsea and he proved it.

Ibime:


Transfermarkt only put you as an AM if you play in a 4-2-3-1. Their positioning is arbitrary.

Lampard is also positioned as a CM in transfermarkt, same as Iniesta. Let's compare like for like na.

When you are useless at your primary role, you will start denying your position like Simon Peter the son of Jonah.

This one enter waaaaaaaah!!

Ibime:


Transfermarkt only put you as an AM if you play in a 4-2-3-1. Their positioning is arbitrary.


Lampard is also positioned as a CM in transfermarkt, same as Iniesta. Let's compare like for like na.

When you are useless at your primary role, you will start denying your position like Simon Peter the son of Jonah.

Where are you getting this lie from

Trevor012:
Even the attacking midfielder with goals and assist will still be ridiculed by this guy so what's the point

Lol. I tire o

Havertz10:
that article is dated 2015

Ineista was 32, let's be realistic abeg

Iniesta was 30! The prime of a midfielders career.

Of course fan boys tried to point to his age back then claiming he was old at 30, a well know tactic.

I have noticed a trend. When players are useless early, their fanboys quickly point to their age.

Iniesta was useless from the moment Xavi started suffering Achilles problem and left him to fend for himself, right from the age of 28.

Old ko, old ni.

William is getting dragged at 32 at Arsenal. The excuses fanboys make for their favourite ninnies.

Mata... goal and assist..... You still complain

Ozil.....goal and assist...... You still complain.

After liking fabregas and wanting him at Chelsea you still later hated him


This guy ones you hate a player you must find something to complain about that player

donstan18:
Kovacic dey en lane, bullet still fly catch am.

how Chelsea fans can value kante that has little technical ability over players with considerably more technical ability is shocking

Football no be by using force, watch de jong defending, he uses positional awareness to mark but Chelsea fan like people with power

Kovacic didn't live up to the expectations that people had, jorginho is slightly better but he doesn't have positional awareness to cover for his lack of strength like most top players

Era of playing hard man football done pass, messi 50% and Ronaldo 20% have launched a new era of tactical astuteness over brute force

Ibime:


Iniesta was 30! The prime of a midfielders career.

Of course fan boys tried to point to his age back then claiming he was old at 30, a well know tactic.

I have noticed a trend. When players are useless early, their fanboys quickly point to their age.

Iniesta was useless from the moment Xavi started suffering Achilles problem and left him to fend for himself, right from the age of 28.


Old ko, old ni.

William is getting dragged at 32 at Arsenal. The excuses fanboys make for their favourite ninnies.

Do you need reminder Iniesta won the treble with Xavi being a bench player

Trevor012:
Even the attacking midfielder with goals and assist will still be ridiculed by this guy so what's the point

Yes it's well known I supported Fabregas and even Jorginho signing at Chelsea. I don't hold on to past views, I update them based on data in front of me. Even the Iniesta I'm dragging now, I once considered him the best AM based on limited data from one season until I noticed Xavi was carrying him for midfield work and he was a eunuch attacking wise.

Trevor012:

Do you need reminder Iniesta won the treble with Xavi being a bench player

Yes I remember that season very well. The season of zero goals and zero assists.

Ibime:


Yes it's well known I supported Fabregas and even Jorginho signing at Chelsea. I don't hold on to past views, I update them based on data in front of me. Even the Iniesta I'm dragging now, I once considered him the best AM based on limited data from one season until I noticed Xavi was carrying him for midfield work and he was a eunuch attacking wise .

Even the attacking Midfielders like Mata, Ozil etc that are kings attacking wise you still dragged them . So even if Iniesta had 1 million goals and assists their is a possibility you will still drag him eventually

airmark:


Busquets na suegbe DM. Very lucky mofo.

Defensively the guy na liability and that is supposed to be his primary duty, offensively no level, he just turn like snail and give the ball to xavi to orchestrate and dictate. When the team is caught on counter he can not run, he can not spot danger on time, too lazy and frail. In the link I sent to you, the second slide mascherano who is acclaimed CB already saw that Lampard want to release a quick and rushed at him but it was too late because he is coming from afar, where was bousq at that time, a supposed DM of the team. Watch that second slide again and tell me if Mascherano didn’t play the role of a DM there. A DM that is bad without the ball. Ball possession covered his ass all those years, immediately ball possession reduced for Barca every Barca fans eye open to see that na fraud them Dey parade as CDM.

Ibime:


Iniesta was 30! The prime of a midfielders career.

Of course fan boys tried to point to his age back then claiming he was old at 30, a well know tactic.

I have noticed a trend. When players are useless early, their fanboys quickly point to their age.

Iniesta was useless from the moment Xavi started suffering Achilles problem and left him to fend for himself, right from the age of 28.

Old ko, old ni.

William is getting dragged at 32 at Arsenal. The excuses fanboys make for their favourite ninnies.

players peak between 25~29

Some are late bloomers and can rejuvenated playing in a different set up

Bolded, iniesta and xavi depended on each other to thrive, honestly it's because xavi was older, if it was the other way around, xavi would also struggle without iniesta

Havertz10:
how Chelsea fans can value kante that has little technical ability over players with considerably more technical ability is shocking

Football no be by using force, watch de jong defending, he uses positional awareness to mark but Chelsea fan like people with power

De Jong track record for Barca so far is conceding 8 goals in 90 minutes Vs Bayern and conceding 4 goals in 90 minutes Vs PSG.

I think I'll keep Kante for now over De Jongs "positional awareness". Which position you want use cope when Mbappe is flying at you.

Ibime:


Yes I remember that season very well. The season of zero goals and zero assists.

So who was doing the Midfield work since according to you Iniesta and Busquet are useless

Havertz10:
players peak between 25~29

Some are late bloomers and can rejuvenated playing in a different set up

Bolded, iniesta and xavi depended on each other to thrive, honestly it's because xavi was older, if it was the other way around, xavi would also struggle without iniesta

A midfielders prime is 28-32 barring injury.

Trevor012:

Even the attacking Midfielders like Mata, Ozil etc that are kings attacking wise you still dragged them . So even if Iniesta had 1 million goals and assists their is a possibility you will still drag him eventually

My problem with Mata, Ozil and Fabregas is defensive contribution.

I don't have such problem with Iniesta. My Koko with him is productivity.

hensben:
Defensively the guy na liability and that is supposed to be his primary duty, offensively no level, he just turn like snail and give the ball to xavi to orchestrate and dictate. When the team is caught on counter he can not run, he can not spot danger on time, too lazy and frail. In the link I sent to you, the second slide mascherano who is acclaimed CB already saw that Lampard want to release a quick and rushed at him but it was too late because he is coming from afar, where was bousq at that time, a supposed DM of the team. Watch that second slide again and tell me if Mascherano didn’t play the role of a DM there.

That's why i wanted him to come to Epl and get exposed like Valdes.

Ibime:


De Jong track record for Barca so far is conceding 8 goals in 90 minutes Vs Bayern and conceding 4 goals in 90 minutes Vs PSG.

I think I'll keep Kante for now over De Jongs "positional awareness". Which position you want use cope when Mbappe is flying at you.

barca as a team isn't filled with class players

Watch him playing for Netherlands, asides messi, no barca player is better than de jong

Ibime:


My problem with Mata, Ozil and Fabregas is defensive contribution.

I don't have such problem with Iniesta. My Koko with him is productivity.

We are saying the same thing . You dragged attacking midfielders with goals and assists by using defensive contribution even tho you stated a different thing below

Ibime:



I judge attacking players on their ability to win the game through goals and assists.

They don't send Ozil to do Jorginhos job. Jorginhos job is primarily to control possession and Ozils job is primarily to create goals.

So even if Iniesta had 1 million goal and assist you would have found another area to drag him cause even Ozil and Mata where dragged by you.

Havertz10:
how Chelsea fans can value kante that has little technical ability over players with considerably more technical ability is shocking

Football no be by using force, watch de jong defending, he uses positional awareness to mark but Chelsea fan like people with power

Kovacic didn't live up to the expectations that people had, jorginho is slightly better but he doesn't have positional awareness to cover for his lack of strength like most top players

Era of playing hard man football done pass, messi 50% and Ronaldo 20% have launched a new era of tactical astuteness over brute force

If you don’t have power or strength to be combative in a midfield, atleast be productive with goals and assist.

De Jong lacks the two and can’t be compared to Kante for any reason. He’s who he is because he’s playing in Barcelona, a season in Epl will help people realize how useless non-combative Dms can be in this modern days football if you don’t pair them with a combat dm.

As for Kovacic and Jorginho, I like the both. They are not bad players, they are just unfortunate to play for a club and league where fans value and cherish combative midfielders more.

Ibime:


My problem with Mata, Ozil and Fabregas is defensive contribution.

I don't have such problem with Iniesta. My Koko with him is productivity.

I agree but some players are wired differently

Fabregas had offensive awareness but wasn't mobile enough, ozil same thing, Mata was mobile but not as talented as those 2

If kante had Fabregas talents and de Jong awareness, he will easily be the best player in the world in that position

That's why I hate average footballers, they are very limited

Trevor012:

We are saying the same thing . You dragged attacking midfielders with goals and assists by using defensive contribution even tho you stated a different thing below

You still need to remain competitive in the midfield. Ozil, Mata and Fabregas career speaks for itself, how they have been sidelined and chased away despite whatever stats they bring.

My favourite AMS are well known - Muller and Lampard. Anyhow the game go, those guys stay competitive and they still have stats, unlike Ozil, Mata and co that you can steamroll in midfield and won't even stay competitive.

Trevor012:

We are saying the same thing . You dragged attacking midfielders with goals and assists by using defensive contribution even tho you stated a different thing below

Without the ball mata and fabregas were useless and chelsea is not Barca that played ball possession then so we can not really tell if iniesta will be useful without the ball in a team that don’t play possession.

hensben:
[s] Without the ball mata and fabregas were useless and chelsea is not Barca that played ball possession then so we can not really tell if iniesta will be useful without the ball in a team that don’t play possession. [/s]

You are not Ibime who made the post so shut up

Trevor012:

You are not Ibime who made the post so shut up

Im saying it as it is tho.

donstan18:
Ozil vs Inesta in La Liga

Miles apart

Ibime:


You still need to remain competitive in the midfield. Ozil, Mata and Fabregas career speaks for itself, how they have been sidelined and chased away despite whatever stats they bring.

My favourite AMS are well known - Muller and Lampard. Anyhow the game go, those guys stay competitive and they still have stats, unlike Ozil, Mata and co that you can steamroll in midfield and won't even stay competitive.

Now you are turning amala . That's not what you said below on Ozil primary role . You judge attacking players by goals and assist The attacking Midfielder who excelled in their primary roles like you typed below still gets dragged by you so even if Iniesta had 5million assist and goals the possibility of you using another agenda to drag him is 99%

Ibime:



I judge attacking players on their ability to win the game through goals and assists.

Any attacking midfielder that tells you he can't provide goals and assists because he is busy controlling the game is a fraud. Ozils job is primarily to create goals.

.

hensben:
Im saying it as it is tho.

What you are saying is not even related to anything

hensben:
Without the ball mata and fabregas were useless and chelsea is not Barca that played ball possession then so we can not really tell if iniesta will be useful without the ball in a team that don’t play possession.

donstan18:

If you don’t have power or strength to be combative in a midfield, atleast be productive with goals and assist.

De Jong lacks the two and can’t be compared to Kante for any reason. He’s who he is because he’s playing in Barcelona, a season in Epl will help people realize how useless non-combative Dms can be in this modern days football if you don’t pair them with a combat dm.

As for Kovacic and Jorginho, I like the both. They are not bad players, they are just unfortunate to play for a club and league where fans value and cherish combative midfielders more.

system matters, nobody is denying that

But which system excels? Barca have shown the world that positional awareness will always dominate brute force, players that play better in the superior system are better

That's how we should look at it

Havertz10:
only Suarez has provided more assist for messi than iniesta

If we track the back and check assist self that other players gave to messi, ineista hand will still be there coordinating play

Plus he scored important goals