patrickmuf:
Italy played Jorginho beside Veratti, a proper midfield controller who is one of the best press resistant midfielders in the world and a very combative Barella...

Italy were taken to extra time by Austria, scrapped past an injury ravaged Belgium, outplayed by Spain and needed penalties and against England also relied on penalties...

did you watch the euros or are rating this players based on football manager ad. There's a reason Jorginho made the XI and not Barella, won't say much on Verrati who Tuchel stopped playing as a DM at his time in PSG opting for Manquinhos.

It's high time you farts stop calming stubborn and having more sense than people who watch them play in the field week in week out and voted. Barella that would leave his midfield work many times for Jorginho

BlueAngel444:
WTF is roamers, when what is called a box to box would do.

Kante is a CDM, he played it for Leicester, played it for Chelsea and for France.

You think Tchoumane or Rice don't push and progress the ball up the pitch, the difference is none can actually function as a deep laying playmaker. There are pirlos and there are Yorkish pirlos. That doesn't change that they are defensive midfielders

Kante is not just a CDM, he is box to box and CM too, he is a utility midfielder like Kovacic except that kova doesn’t have Kante’s stamina. At the bolded, that’s the point, we need a player that can progress play quickly from deep while still maintaining his CDM role like Matic under Conte, not short passes here and there that result to us struggling against teams that play low block. Arsenal have being defeating us recently because of this reason, they play low block and hit us on mostly mistake or counter attack.

hensben:
For tactical reason. Kante and Kovacic are roamers(if there is any word like that) so he had no option than to go with the only CDM in the team, not that he is too good. Why do you think we are going for either Tchouameni or rice. We need a sitting CDM that’s strong and technical along side Kante if we want to win the league.

okay its now for tactical reasons but Jorginho doesn't play for any tactical reason, be deceiving yourself "only CDM in the team"

Jorginho is aiding only based on playing in a possession based team, it shows high ignorance to claim he is favored in a defensive team when the claim is he is poor defensively. When the actually fact is that Kante whom I love is not so good when the team is in possession unlike Jorginho, who in turn may struggle when the team isn't in possession whereas Kante shines.

That's how you fvckers were shouting for Bakayoko to replace Matic. You have a strong and technical player and yet can't see that we don't have enough men in midfield so a new addition is necessary. If it was soo bad Chelsea should pay 70m for Rice, yet they haven't even bidded for him but are looking for Tchouameni as a good young back up

swiz123:


Of course he has. Make no mistake, he is still slow and can't keep up with faster players. But the improvement came in areas of his positional awareness, discipline and passing.

Ibime is a confused human being. All his theories are too flawed.If Chelsea system helped him, why wasn't he exposed at Italy. He is clinging desparately at Italy vs Spain match as a lifeline. My unbiased self told him for free why that game was that way but his biased self chose to believe that only Jorginho was at fault. When Italy does well, it is Varrati, Barella, Chiesa or even Donarumma. When they play badly, it's only Jorginho. To even think he was lecturing me about scattergun criticism.

If TT's approach is the reason for his improvement, couldn't Lampard's approach be the reason for the worst days of his life. Remember, Lampard paired him at times with Mount and Havertz as double 8 when Kante was injured. Sometimes Mount and Kovacic. Mount hardly maintains his position and I remember Peter Drury saying that Mount plays so high up the pitch leaving his position exposed for runners during counters. Let's not talk about Kovacic lack of positional awareness or low response. TT brought the right approach and everyone is breathing fresh air. After all, a coach's responsibility is to maximum his player's strength and hide their weaknesses

So my brother, Jorginho as a player has improved. His performance tells the tale.

Jorginho played under Sarri and as far as my memory serves me, a lot of folks here were very critical of him...He struggled with Sarri and Lampard and only looked better because Tuchel had to parked bodies behind to cover for any escorts job...

Talkjng about his passes, he has always been good with passes from his Napoli days, nothing changed...

Positional improvement? No, he has not improved any bit but you'll hardly notice as they're a lot of players covering incase of any slip up...You'd notice that it's only after a goal is scored that most folks delve into analysis of the events leading to the goal, I'd urge you to pay close attention to Jorginho when he is not recycling possession (I mean his defensive action) and you'd see that he still struggles to keep up with attacks but due to the sheer numbers behind him, in most cases than not, they manage to stop the attack...

BlueAngel444:
did you watch the euros or are rating this players based on football manager ad. There's a reason Jorginho made the XI and not Barella, won't say much on Verrati who Tuchel stopped playing as a DM at his time in PSG opting for Manquinhos.

It's high time you farts stop calming stubborn and having more sense than people who watch them play in the field week in week out and voted. Barella that would leave his midfield work many times for Jorginho

When you learn to chat like a rational human, you'll get a deserved response...

hensben:
Kante is not just a CDM, he is box to box and CM too, he is a utility midfielder like Kovacic except that kova doesn’t have Kante’s stamina. At the bolded, that’s the point, we need a player that can progress play quickly from deep while still maintaining his CDM role like Matic under Conte, not short passes here and there that result to us struggling against teams that play low block. Arsenal have being defeating us recently because of this reason, they play low block and hit us on mostly mistake or counter attack.

this response is still as a result of being blinded by someone's nonsense. Watch the game or check the stat. Jorginho plays many long balls and through passes more than other Chelsea midfielders if he doesn't the defenders do.

You don't complain about short passes when your time is managed by a manager who likes possession and progression.

So Chalobah is staying...any plans for a loan move have been shelved by TT.

New contract incoming.

patrickmuf:
When you learn to chat like a rational human, you'll get a deserved response...

if rationality is not having an objective unbiased view that agrees with some pathetically weak idea that garners likes based an exaggeration. Then keep your response.

Ibime has gone from stating Jorginho game weakness which is obvious and every player has theirs, but you don't see any bitching about the times Kante broke down scoring opportunities because of being clueless or Kovacic for being a poor 6 but still a great CM.

Every player has what they are good at, and if you guys can't have the decency to respect that. They kindly keep all your BS to yourselves.

Not one bloody one of you can say what I have written is wrong. So don't claim any nonsense rationality.

When people pend opinions like a team shouldn't be built to support each other's weakness.

From no club can win the CL with 3 at the back

to

Chelsea can't win any cup with jorginho

and now

Chelsea can't win the EPL with jorginho..

Una well done awon NL pundits

patrickmuf:

Positional improvement? No, he has not improved any bit but you'll hardly notice as they're a lot of players covering incase of any slip up...You'd notice that it's only after a goal is scored that most folks delve into analysis of the events leading to the goal, I'd urge you to pay close attention to Jorginho when he is not recycling possession (I mean his defensive action) and you'd see that he still struggles to keep up with attacks but due to the sheer numbers behind him, in most cases than not, they manage to stop the attack...

This was evident in the UCL final where he was responsible for Man City's 4 chances. Thanks to Rudiger and Chilwell for last minute blocks to save him. People only focussed on the result, glossing over the moments of danger caused by his escorting

BlueAngel444:
Italy sat deep not because of their OLD men in CB, Jorginho can't play half way line because of some crap even if Jorginho plays deep he won't still out run his muscle capacity.

Whether because Italy centrebacks are old or not, the fact is Jorginho has only succeeded in a bus parking capacity.

Winning the league requires beating majority of teams comfortably and a DM that allows Chelsea to play on the front foot will facilitate that. I will not want Chelsea to be built on the premise to maybe sneak through tight tournament games with a piece of luck here and there as is the case right now.

BlueAngel444:
if rationality is not having an objective unbiased view that agrees with some pathetically weak idea that garners likes based an exaggeration. Then keep your response.

Ibime has gone from stating Jorginho game weakness which is obvious and every player has theirs, but you don't see any bitching about the times Kante broke down scoring opportunities because of being clueless or Kovacic for being a poor 6 but still a great CM.

Every player has what they are good at, and if you guys can't have the decency to respect that. They kindly keep all your BS to yourselves.

Not one bloody one of you can say what I have written is wrong. So don't claim any nonsense rationality.

When people pend opinions like a team shouldn't be built to support each other's weakness.

Abi, isn’t that the purpose of fielding eleven players, to protect teammates weakness …

Jorginho Is current top 3 European best, that is a big fat L no matter how you look at it ..
Over 100 coaches rated Jorginho above Hojibag and berela

Ibime:


Whether because Italy centrebacks are old or not, the fact is Jorginho has only succeeded in a bus parking capacity.

Winning the league requires beating majority of teams comfortably and a DM that allows Chelsea to play on the front foot will facilitate that. I will not want Chelsea to be built on the premise to maybe sneak through tight tournament games with a piece of luck here and there as is the case right now.

U are making a valid point here and I hardly agree less
J5 can’t play against teams who sit back and counter at fast pace that’s why Chelsea always have problems with those kind if teams like when Wes brom rape Chelsea 5-2 last year
J5 is slow on the ball and lack pace to cover for the last man
However one good thing about him is that he is good in possession and runs the midfield when Chelsea have the ball but off the ball he is just 50%

Easily the winner

200 years to all your haters jorginho..
Contending for the same player of the year award they used to defend van dijk against dayo's boateng and many other players.
Where their yeye best midfielders like kponkpon wayamna,takitika rordri,rugeddy baba hojberg,barbing salon pogba,penarity king Bruno,tikitaka biskit,shakushaku grealish have never been is where their so called spineless jorginho is cruising to....jorginho you too much jor

Almajirihunter:


I feel dayo might bail him out, let’s see

Segedinho:
From no club can win the CL with 3 at the back

to

Chelsea can't win any cup with jorginho

and now

Chelsea can't win the EPL with jorginho..

Una well done awon NL pundits

I just taya for these guys... Can't someone collect his L wholeheartedly without trying drag other people along.

Ebukacute:

I just taya for these guys... Can't someone collect his L wholeheartedly without trying drag other people along.

Major reason I hardly argue here


Cos they come up with more absurdities just to cover up any previous shalaye

nihilistjnr:

nihilistjnr:


Na this one sweet me pass sha.

The same guy always shouting Havertz this Havertz that....can say this?

Swiz123 might deserve some community 'lecturing'

Kill am

Chelsea to bid a DM this evening, if not then next week in the last 4 days of the transfer window a decision would be made to conclude a signing for an additional defensive player to the team.

Ibime:




Like I said show me a Chelsea fan who did not criticise Jorginho before this season and I'll show you a born again Taliban. Only those who joined the thread this season can say their hands are clean.

I will not delude myself that Jorginho is good just because Tuchel parked bus for him in the UCL. We have seen nonentities like Ramsey, David Brooks and many others press him to death and dominate him. Even the Aston Villa and West Ham boys were still doing it last season. The only team in the Euros that put a man on him (Pedri) utterly dominated him.

Swiz123 who said in July 2020 that Busquets is far better than Jorginho, turned around in July 2021 and said that Jorginho will dominate Busquets in that game. What ended up happening is Busquets utterly dominated him. I wonder if we ask him after that game, whether he will do another volte-face

July 2020:



July 2021:

not all Chelsea fan critized jorginho

Franckly62:
https://www.nairaland.com/6710730/uefa-player-year-nominees-all

Jorginho and Kanté on UEFA POTY nominee list.

Who would you vote for?

jorginho

swiz123:


Every player can be criticized; even more after a painful defeat of which he failed to do his job. Jorginho had had two bad seasons prior to the last one. That's enough for any reasonable analyst to criticize him. However, I am not a sentimental human being who cling on to my opinion about someone even if they had become absurd. You are still of the opinion that Jorginho is useless and we can't compete with him even during his best moments as a footballer. You are afraid of what people would say if you had a change of opinion... Don't be a coward

Situations vary from time to time and so should one's opinion. Jorginho stood above criticism he was subjected to, showed character and proved everyone including myself wrong. For that, he has earned my praise. If that is what L means, then I wholely accept it. If all Chelsea players I have criticized can prove me wrong overtime, that would make me happy. Because at the end of the day, I am a Chelsea fan who wants the best for the club

you are a man..

Only oh yes member will think of people's opinions before making a comment

Ride on comrade

patrickmuf:
What’s difficult to understand there?

If Tuchel trust Jorginho, he should switch to 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1...At the moment Chelsea plays 5 defenders and 2 holding midfielders plus Mount who is renowned for his hardwork...If you don't think 3 CBs, 2 wingers and another DM/B2B midfielder beside Jorginho helps covers his weakness then it's obvious you just started watching Chelsea...

Una shaa Dy funny.. na only when tuchel switch formation we will know he trust jorginho..

4 managers has played him and he is preferred first choice DM among other players

Na story you Dy talk

hensben:
Jorginho is the weak link in our midfield. Sign a proper CDM with strength and ball retention and see us win the league easily. Tournament is different from 38 games. We missed out on another league win when we sold Matic and replace him with bakayoko and Jorginho, Kante started over laboring after Matic’s departure which resulted to his often injury. Chelsea board are aware of this fact, the reason they are going for either Tchouameni or Rice. You can’t win epl comprising of 38 games with a player like Jorginho. He can’t hold his ground, easily subdued, easily predictable and can’t drive occasionally. He can only do quick pass which is basic. He only intercept when an opponent has being crowded and slowed down by his team mate, he can’t chase to make tackles.

let me save this one till Chelsea win the league..

hensben:
For tactical reason. Kante and Kovacic are roamers(if there is any word like that) so he had no option than to go with the only CDM in the team, not that he is too good. Why do you think we are going for either Tchouameni or rice. We need a sitting CDM that’s strong and technical along side Kante if we want to win the league.

I will still bet it that whatsoever DM we sign. Jorginho is a sure starter

Ibime:


You've said it all.

Jorginho, the only playmaker in the world that forces his team to play defensive football.

Italy is a defensive team. Jorginho played in an attacking Napoli team. He didn't make Napoli play defensive football

Ibime:




Like I said show me a Chelsea fan who did not criticise Jorginho before this season and I'll show you a born again Taliban. Only those who joined the thread this season can say their hands are clean.

I will not delude myself that Jorginho is good just because Tuchel parked bus for him in the UCL. We have seen nonentities like Ramsey, David Brooks and many others press him to death and dominate him. Even the Aston Villa and West Ham boys were still doing it last season. The only team in the Euros that put a man on him (Pedri) utterly dominated him.

Swiz123 who said in July 2020 that Busquets is far better than Jorginho, turned around in July 2021 and said that Jorginho will dominate Busquets in that game. What ended up happening is Busquets utterly dominated him. I wonder if we ask him after that game, whether he will do another volte-face

I did not. I have always known jorginho was a gem in our midfield. A comptroller. A good recycler. A good passer of the ball. A system player.
Good thing he's finally reaping his well deserved accolades in the world of football. You can only hate him more while he keeps shining.
Every single player on earth has their weaknesses. It's about their strength overshadowing those weaknesses and jorginho's does. Learn to live with him. He's here to stay.

Segedinho:
From no club can win the CL with 3 at the back

to

Chelsea can't win any cup with jorginho

and now

Chelsea can't win the EPL with jorginho..

Una well done awon NL pundits

when Chelsea win the league. It will be Chelsea can't win the league when they play 4 at the back with jorginho

Ibime:

Nobody should disturb me for criticising him when he still cannot keep up with runners, and when he is still not press resistant. I will continue to criticise him this season as always cos he just does not have these things, notwithstanding the luck he had last season.

But he has improved tremendously. Every player evolves while playing.
If world renowned coaches can see this, why can't you. Jorginho fully deserves his accolades. He is the best playmaker in the league right now. No one comes close.

Griffon:
Omo eh, we will face Liverpool, Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur in January without Mendy. Can we trust that penalty merchant?

We lose salah, mane, keita. Una still get hope