donjazet:


You really shouldn't be offended if I'm calling you a bullshite factory because I'm truly overwhelmed with your numerous falsehoods.
You would say just about anything to make jorginho look bad.

First you said Napoli's attack and defence were rated while the midfield wasn't Ibime fear God na. Did the coach himself not mark jorginho out as the most essential player to his system? Did this coach who built his own attacking system not drag jorginho away from mancity to bring him with him to Chelsea??
Did this jorginho not set multiple individual passing records in a league of over a century??
Look at the picture below for reference.

You would say just about anything to downgrade this player. Sarri saw jorginho as the most essential player to his team but Ibime would tell us that that's not the case.

Secondly, I don't understand your effort to downgrade Napoli because of the league. Juventus and napoli were very strong teams at that point. I even remember Roma beating Barca to the semis while juve got to the final twice.
The top 6 teams of the top 4 leagues usually have strong talented individuals.

That Napoli team produced cavani, higuain, mertens, insigne, koulibaly, jorginho, Allan etc.

These are wonderful players.
You would say just anything to downgrade this player. So an Italian team that produced finalist twice and multiple semifinal appearances is too weak? Tell me the difference between Norwich and spezia or Burnley and Crotone. Would someone say the EPL is shite because Liverpool and mancity are now consistently getting 98 points??

You just named all the good players in Napoli's attack and defence.

Maybe the reason they didn't win is their DM

BikeMan:
Even without Tuchel's formation, Matip has never been in a defence that conceded less goal than Rudiger's but continue your agenda

Lies won't go unchecked on this thread.

Rudiger arrived Chelsea in 2017

Goals conceded:

2017/18 - Liverpool 38, Chelsea 38

2018/19 - Liverpool 22, Chelsea 39

2019/20 - Liverpool 33, Chelsea 56 (although Matip injured for large parts)

2020/21 - Matip injured most of the season

It's only Matip injury of last season and TT revival that will make Rudiger and Matip debatable if you focus solely on their records

How can you lie so blatantly with confidence?

Ibime:


Kante is a league winner twice with Leicester and Chelsea. He is not a sitting DM although has defensive qualities.

[s]Show me one period where Chelsea has won consistently with Jogginghoe in an attacking set-up.

Even when his father Sarri tried to set things up perfectly for him, below is what we were seeing. After trying to go toe to toe with an attacking set-up and getting hammered 6-0 by City, even Sarri abandoned Sarriball to park bus the next week in Carling Cup final to eek out a 0-0 draw.

Your Jogginghoe is useless in an attacking set-up. Only fool like you think you will park bus to compete for league title


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5axvFrCZWyk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C5Ad2Go1Fk. [/s]

how many times had we finished the league with 95 and above points like Liverpool and city or reached the ucl twice.. like Liverpool. Despite having a robust Dm in kante or matic.

And how many times has we set up in an attacking formation to dominate league before Jorginho.. in fact


Stop writing unnecessary essay. When Dm has never been the problem

In another reality Chelsea signed messi, and our front line has messi havertz Werner

And by god they cooked

Havertz10:
In another reality Chelsea signed messi, and our front line has messi havertz Werner

And by god they cooked

Can Messi press?

Ibime:


Why will your attackers succeed when the manager is preoccupied with packing the defence due to lack of a robust DM.

matic and kante was a robust Dm.. how did the attack fared in the years they served before Jorginho was signed

donjazet:

I am pointing out that sarri's stay with us was not a disaster as Ibime would like us to believe.

We went on a long unbeaten run. We reached 2 cup finals and we finished 3rd which is the highest position and points we've ever finished since we last won the league. Much better than Guardiola and kloop did in their first full seasons. We didn't fail.

Sarris stay was the epitome of playing Jogginghoes way and he was bullied all over the park. We finished on 72 points and only qualified for top4 in the penultimate game. Along the way, we saw many disgraces and our midfield overrun in 6-0, 4-0 scorelines etc that told any serious Chelsea fan that they can never bet on a league challenge or a competitive attacking midfield with Jogginghoe

lordfalcao:
matic and kante was a robust Dm.. how did the attack fared in the years they served before Jorginho was signed

93 points and double digit goals all round for Costa, Pedro and Hazard.

As we stand now our two strikers have 5 EPL goals and 2 goals each and Jogginghoe remains our top goalscorer with penalties.

Ibime:


We will see how Tuchel parking bus to shield Jorginhos weakness will win him the league.
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You missed a “deactivating” L with this

Oga ibime


Please no long epistle.

Which is more successful and wch do u prefer?

Kante with matic =1 PL

Kante with joginho= 1UCL..1 super cup..1 Europa.


Please..just go straight to d point

Ibime:


Sarris stay was the epitome of playing Jogginghoes way and he was bullied all over the park. We finished on 72 points and only qualified for top4 in the penultimate game. Along the way, we saw many disgraces and our midfield overrun in 6-0, 4-0 scorelines etc that told any serious Chelsea fan that they can never bet on a league challenge or a competitive attacking midfield with Jogginghoe

Was kloop a failure last season with 67 points? 2016 {7th} and 2017??
Was kloop a failure in these seasons?

donjazet:


Was kloop a failure last season with 67 points? 2016 {7th} and 2017??
Was kloop a failure in these seasons?

Klopp missed his whole defence and goalkeeper for the season

I didn't say Sarri was a failure BTW. He delivered to the status of the team which is a top 4 team. What I said is we saw during Sarris tenure that Jogginghoe is not the man for the job.

Is it Jorginho or kante who can't play in a possession based team? Might be wrong but every time Chelsea has adopted a possession based system or a more progressive midfield system kante has always been a passenger. From conte 3-5-2 to Sarri 4-3-3.

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Ibime:


93 points and double digit goals all round for Costa, Pedro and Hazard.

in a title winning season only playing low block football in 3-4-3 with two robust DM..

Is that attacking football . From 2014-2018 we have had at least one robust DM. And we have never played attacking football.

From mourinhos packing the bus to conte’s low block

Segedinho:
Oga ibime


Please no long epistle.

Which is more successful and wch do u prefer?

Kante with matic =1 PL

Kante with joginho= 1UCL..1 super cup..1 Europa.


Please..just go straight to d point

Don't ask foolish questions man.

Which Chelsea players do you prefer?

The Chelsea players of 2004-2006 or the Bosingwa and Ramires team of 2012

lordfalcao:
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in a title winning season only playing low block football in 3-4-3 with two robust DM..

Is that attacking football

The challenge of 2017 is different from the challenge of 2022

Ibime:


The challenge of 2017 is different from the challenge of 2022

what is the difference?

How has pep and Liverpool fared since 2017 till date, compared to us playing low block football, which team has been better

Ibime should tell us once and for all why TOT regressed immediately they signed the "robust" DM horjtout.

Bombblacks:
Is it Jorginho or kante who can't play in a possession based team? Might be wrong but every time Chelsea has adopted a possession based system or a more progressive midfield system kante has always been a passenger. From conte 3-5-2 to Sarri 4-3-3.

Don't confuse possession based midfield with an attacking team. Fabinho is not a possession based DM but his team is an attacking one. Declan Rice is not a possession DM but his team is an attacking one. We are talking about where the DM allows the manager to place the team on the pitch, sitting deep or on the front foot?

swiz123:
Ibime should tell us once and for all why TOT regressed immediately they signed the "robust" DM horjtout.

In your village, I guess going from 59 points to 62 is regression

Ibime:


Don't confuse possession based midfield with an attacking team. Fabinho is not a possession based DM but his team is an attacking one. Declan Rice is not a possession DM but his team is an attacking one. We are talking about where the DM allows the manager to place the team on the pitch, sitting deep or on the front foot?

Same thing we are saying. Kante cannot play in an attacking team. The only consistency between
him and success is that the team has to give up possession and probably play a 2-man midfield. To play to his strength the team has to sit deep. You should be talking about kante not Jorginho.

Ibime:


Don't confuse possession based midfield with an attacking team. Fabinho is not a possession based DM but his team is an attacking one. Declan Rice is not a possession DM but his team is an attacking one. We are talking about where the DM allows the manager to place the team on the pitch, sitting deep or on the front foot?

moyes and attacking football together..

Wow

You cannot play anything more than counter attacking football with kante in midfield Anything else is bound to fail.

Ibime:


Can Messi press?

it will be easier integrating him than it would have ever been with that pregnant buffalo, haven't even talked about the understanding that he will build with havertz or the benefits he will give our brand on and off the field.

lordfalcao:
moyes and attacking football together..

Wow

Whether you like it or not, Bowen, Antonio, Benrahma and Fornals are playing attacking football and are in the top4 for goals scored in the Premier League because they commit men to attack. If you are as stüpid as I know you are, I know what your next response will be.

Havertz10:
it will be easier to integrating him than it would have ever been with that pregnant buffalo, haven't even talked about the understanding that he will build with havertz or the benefits he will give our brand on and off the field.

You know Havertz is flopping when you are hanging on to unrealistic hopes of signing Messi in order to save him

Bombblacks:
You cannot play anything more than counter attacking football with kante in midfield Anything else is bound to fail.

Kante is not much different from Milner, Keita and many Liverpool midfielder profiles. You are wrong. What you mean is you can't play tikitaka with Kante

lordfalcao:
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in a title winning season only playing low block football in 3-4-3 with two robust DM..

Is that attacking football . From 2014-2018 we have had at least one robust DM. And we have never played attacking football.

From mourinhos packing the bus to conte’s low block

hope you know only hazard won more motm than kante under sarri?

You know you hate someone when you can't acknowledge anything good about that person.
Your mind keeps conjuring up the worst about the person.
It's an obsession. One that can only choke the hater because you are completely powerless over the situation.

I'm trying to imagine his feeling on seeing jorginho included in the FIFPRO TOTY. Jorginho keeps piling on the individual awards and accolades and his hater can only Keep sulking and wailing away. Tueh.

Ibime:


Don't ask foolish questions man.

Which Chelsea players do you prefer?

The Chelsea players of 2004-2006 or the Bosingwa and Ramires team of 2012

2012 was more successful cos they had something much more important to show for it.


What is foolish abt d simple and direct question I humbly ask.

Wch midfields combo was successful bw.

Kante and matic

Or

Kante with joginho.......

Segedinho:

2012 was better cos they had something much more important to show for it.


What is foolish abt d simple and direct question I humbly ask.

Wch midfields combo was successful bw.

Kante and matic

Or

Kante with joginho.......

Firstly Matic won 2 EPL titles, and challenged for another one in 2014. Also finished 2nd at Manure.

Do you like to jubilate every weekend or do you prefer to cry every weekend in the hopes that come end of season, a manager will work some tactical magic and win you a cup?

League form shows the strength of the players, Cup can be due to luck.

And BTW, I won't pick a Matic today, football has changed, and he was more preferable to Mikel at the time.

Bombblacks:

Same thing we are saying. Kante cannot play in an attacking team. The only consistency between
him and success is that the team has to give up possession and probably play a 2-man midfield. To play to his strength the team has to sit deep. You should be talking about kante not Jorginho.

Everybody knows kante is a fraud. I have been preaching the sermon way back.