Kagawa10:


Until Conte backtracks and builds his success around Terry and Ivanovic, you aint saying anything!

Every Coach needs as much quality in his team even if he's an alien!

Kagawa10:


Lmao!

City finished 4th, same point as United and guess what? United added some quality into the team, even Chelsea improved their sluggish midfield with Kante, brought in Luiz, Alonso and re-invented Azpi's role who's like a new signing!

Pray tell which Pep's signings has improved the team? None!

Logic should point that a team which finished 4th with no improvement while other made a lot of improvement to their team will even do much more worse than it did in the previous season!

And let me ask you this, was Yaya not already declining under Pellegrini? How about their defence always looking shite without Kompany, has that changed? Were the likes of Clichy, Kolarov, not looking average for years under Pelle? So what has changed?

Why the outrage when the same thing repeat itself under Pep? I won't even wish their defence on my enemy!

Ibime:


What you are not getting is that he did not reproduce it at Bayern. Like Griffon stated, when he met technically superior teams in Madrid and Barca, his limitations were exposed and he was disgraced.

Actually, what he has proved rather is that he cannot do anything unless his players are majorly superior to the opposition.

Any manager can do that.

Kagawa10:


Lmao!

City finished 4th, same point as United and guess what? United added some quality into the team, even Chelsea improved their sluggish midfield with Kante, brought in Luiz, Alonso and re-invented Azpi's role who's like a new signing!

Pray tell which Pep's signings has improved the team? None!

Logic should point that a team which finished 4th with no improvement while other made a lot of improvement to their team will even do much more worse than it did in the previous season!

And let me ask you this, was Yaya not already declining under Pellegrini? How about their defence always looking shite without Kompany, has that changed? Were the likes of Clichy, Kolarov, not looking average for years under Pelle? So what has changed?

Why the outrage when the same thing repeat itself under Pep? I won't even wish their defence on my enemy!

Griffon:


Pep's cant be managerial brilliance, it is choosing the easy way out. He is refusing to test himself and evolve. He is refusing to accept the challenge of working with relatively average players.

Common sense should inform you that a manager's chances of winning a silverware gets enhanced when he decides to stockpile his team with the best legs. That is akin to football manager where teams with the highest rating players tend to walk the league easily. Is that your definition of managerial brilliance?

Ibime:


Terry was 34 and Ivanovic was 31 when JM used them to win league and put them in PFA team of the year.

Kolarov, Clichy and co just crossed 30. They are still in their prime for a defender. Pellegrini used em last season.

Kagawa10:

You also forgot the part that Terry and Ivanovic were actually solid players before their decline, now compare that to Kolarov, Clichy who were actually average players before even deteriorating further!

Ibime:
Clichy and Kolarov have not deteriorated. They are 31.

A defenders peak age is from 28-32.

They have not deteriorated. Pep is just making them look worse.

raumdeuter:


Ivanovic was 31 this time last season when you swore he was the reason Chelsea defence was bad

Clichy and Kolarov are full backs where pace and fitness is highly needed

nateevs:
Kagawa is having a very intelligent debate but sentiments are getting in the way of logic.

Obere4u:


Excuses upon excuses... was Pep hired to continue with same team? didn't he oversaw the summer transfer window? wasn't he given the free hand to overhaul the team? when he was 10 games winning streak, people were saying he has found the winning team but now is it same team? when Conte was sweating and grinding out victories and draws, people started calling for his head, remember that unforgettable first half at Emirate for Conte? what did Conte do? he re-strategised and came back stronger. Remember Poch Totham decline before he went for 3 man backline?
Brother just accept that the first half of the season, Pep got the calls wrong

raumdeuter:


Ivanovic was 31 this time last season when you swore he was the reason Chelsea defence was bad

Clichy and Kolarov are full backs where pace and fitness is highly needed

Ibime:


Clichy and Kolarov have not deteriorated. They are 31.

A defenders peak age is from 28-32.

They have not deteriorated. Pep is just making them look worse.

Ibime:
Ivanovic was 27/28 in 2012 when I started telling niggas he is a weak link in Chelsea. Nateevs also. He can testify. It is nothing to do with age. He does not have the tools for fullback, he is a centreback. Ivanovic was no slower or unfit at 31 than 28.

You guys cannot change modern science to suit Pep. 31 is not an age of decline for a modern footballer. It is at 33 onward that we start to see decline these days. Sagna was one of the best RB at Euros. He did not drink otapiapia between July and August and decline overnight.

When Kolarov was making 100 passes per game and dominating possession at season start, all we were hearing is how Pep has improved him. Now wey yawa done gas, we are hearing of decline. . . at 31 years old, an age where most defenders are gearing up for their best season ever.

Kagawa10:


Pep was also there when City's defence without Kompany always looked abject with the same defenders under Pelle?

Come up with something else!

Whether you believe they've deteriorated or not, they are basically average set of players who are now old!

Kagawa10:
Pep was also there when City's defence without Kompany was looking abject with the same defenders under Pelle?

Come up with something else!

Whether you believe they've deteriorated or not, they are basically average set of players who are now old!

raumdeuter:


For 2 seasons before Pep, City had the worst defence among the top 4 conceding the most goals. Yet the same players 1-2 seasons after are expected to be better

Last 2 seasons City had worse defence even worse than Van gaal Man Utd but suddenly City had the best squad and its Pep that made that made them weak

airmark:


Tell them. I remember dayo apari and coogar were abusing us, the apostles of truth.



Can you help me find coogar? Merefish deyplay is saying '' comment faites-vous? ''

Ibime:
Kompany missed virtually all of last season and Pelle was competing for title until Peps arrival was announced. Last last he still made UCL with game to spare.

Pep is making that look like rocket science despite being giving the opportunity to improve the defence, for which he chose to sign John Stones.

You can claim 31 is deterioration age all you want, but that is not the truth. Philip Lahm is 33 years old now. I wonder why he wasn't deteriorated just because Pep was winning. He was the same age as Kolarov/Clichy when he won world cup.

Deterioration is just your crutch to excuse Pep. All these guys are agemate with Antonio Valencia, James Milner, Monreal, Gary Cahill etc

diggz:
Worse defense that they have spent how much in trying to fix? Didn't dey buy a certain mangala and otamendi?

raumdeuter:


They bought Mangala and Otamendi yet they still had the worst defence among the top 4 teams in England. Or was this Pep that made City concede the most goals last season?

Funlordjnr:


Men pep don hear am for this thread for like 3 days know.....this wan na steak dem dey use enter am instead of beef......

diggz:
Yes it was Pep afterall he destroyed Pelle season.

raumdeuter:


They bought Mangala and Otamendi yet they still had the worst defence among the top 4 teams in England. Or was this Pep that made City concede the most goals last season?