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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 9:03pm On Jan 30, 2017
donjazet:


You confuse me. You're a strong advocate for the integration of our youth and still admonish the purchase of auxiliary players We don't play a system that uses a left-back, we have a vast array of talents who can effectively play the left wing-back role or who can grow into it. Why waste money buying another average defender?

LCB or DM also. I say why not. Remember we have UCL next season so a lot more matches. He can also allow you sell Cahill or Alonso if you wish.

Even if he park for bench the whole year, you can still sell him for nothing less than £10-£15m. It's a no brainer.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 9:18pm On Jan 30, 2017
FBS, your boy done land o

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 9:41pm On Jan 30, 2017
Ibime:


No point considering we hosted him in Stamford Bridge box last year and he chose Celtic.

I was hoping he would sign for us then but I can't stomach paying £40m for something that was free last summer. Even £20m is too much given Scottish league strikers are hit and miss. Some hit like Henrik Larsson, others miss like that Croatia striker for Everton wey I done forget him name.
jelavic ??
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 9:59pm On Jan 30, 2017
lordfalcao:
jelavic ??

Yes Jelavic and many besides him like Gary Hooper who was tearing down Scottish league.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 11:00pm On Jan 30, 2017
Ibime:


Yes Jelavic and many besides him like Gary Hooper who was tearing down Scottish league.
Scottish league is a poor league to get strikers from.. Most of them suffers the physicality of the premier league when dy come, I see the same happening to dembele
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 6:55am On Jan 31, 2017
This niggas be giving conte selection headache.

Hazard should up his goalscoring game.

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by CONTEDDICTED: 7:59am On Jan 31, 2017
Only Conte can make a useless finisher like Willian score 6 goals from open play in all competitions and January isn't over sef


That's almost his tally in his best season ever


Don Conte
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by FBS: 8:09am On Jan 31, 2017
Ibime:
FBS, your boy done land o
Lol. Kai, Ibime, you too dey fear. Don't you trust Moses? cheesy
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by CONTEDDICTED: 8:09am On Jan 31, 2017
lordfalcao:
This niggas be giving conte selection headache.

Hazard should up his goalscoring game.

Hazard is not their mate.. ...Pedro and Willian have been padding up their stats in the FA cup against farmers
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lalaboi(m): 8:24am On Jan 31, 2017
CONTEDDICTED:


Hazard is not their mate.. ...Pedro and Willian have been padding up their stats in the FA cup against farmers

Na their fault say Hazard nor dey play Fa cup games?

He has had a nice start no doubt, but since December, his performance has dwindled. . 2 goals and 2 assists in 2 months. He's definitely not at his best at the moment.

Pedro and willian have done well to step up so far despite both competing for same spot whilst hazard is sort of an untouchable.

Some say we rely on hazard too much but these past 2 months have not been the case.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by FBS: 8:35am On Jan 31, 2017
lalaboi:


Na their fault say Hazard nor dey play Fa cup games?

He has had a nice start no doubt, but since December, his performance has dwindled. . 2 goals and 2 assists in 2 months. He's definitely not at his best at the moment.

Pedro and willian have done well to step up so far despite both competing for same spot whilst hazard is sort of an untouchable.

Some say we rely on hazard too much but these past 2 months have not been the case.
Just siddon dey look. Its a case of people watching football behind some very very dark shades. They tend to see only the picture they want to see or not even see anything at all. I dont understand the reason or need to always underestimate other players particularly when your team is playing exceptionally well. That I may never understand.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 8:43am On Jan 31, 2017
lalaboi:


Na their fault say Hazard nor dey play Fa cup games?
He has had a nice start no doubt, but since December, his performance has dwindled. . 2 goals and 2 assists in 2 months. He's definitely not at his best at the moment.
Pedro and willian have done well to step up so far despite both competing for same spot whilst hazard is sort of an untouchable.
Some say we rely on hazard too much but these past 2 months have not been the case.

You're on point bro. I am not falling for the hazard hype train. I mean, for all his metronomical displays or the creativity exuded from him, he simply doesn't SCORE GOALS!!! And that is not an issue we should continue to overlook. He should up his ante abeg. Goals wins you matches.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 9:25am On Jan 31, 2017
CONTEDDICTED:


Hazard is not their mate.. ...Pedro and Willian have been padding up their stats in the FA cup against farmers
hazard should score more..... He should be 2 goals below or even equal with Costa
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Emaprince: 9:30am On Jan 31, 2017
.... But Hazard no be their mate. Watch Hazard on the ball, his decision making etc and compare with those two, the difference is too clear.

Hazard no be their mate abeg.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 9:31am On Jan 31, 2017
lordfalcao:
hazard should score more..... He should be 2 goals below or even equal with Costa
Hazard is the creator of the team, reason Pedro is being played ahead of Willian, the formal is more of a goal scorer than the later. Conte know this. Hazard is like the Lionel Messi of the trio but he's not Lionel Messi who can do both and epl is not la Liga.

Though, I will advice conte to play Willian ahead of Pedro when we are playing big teams away.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lalaboi(m): 9:34am On Jan 31, 2017
Emaprince:
.... But Hazard no be their mate. Watch Hazard on the ball, his decision making etc and compare with those two, the difference is too clear.

Hazard no be their mate abeg.

The response 'Hazard is not their mate' was made in reference to their goal scoring stats posted initially. Nobody is saying Hazard is not a better player before you all start another unnecessary argument.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 9:37am On Jan 31, 2017
hensben:
Hazard is the creator of the team, reason Pedro is being played ahead of Willian, the formal is more of a goal scorer than the later. Conte know this. Hazard is like the Lionel Messi of the trio but he's not Lionel Messi who can do both and epl is not la Liga.

Though, I will advice conte to play Willian ahead of Pedro when we are playing big teams away.
Hazard is a creator of the team doesn't stop him from picking goals. Most creator of elite teams in Europe pick up goals. He should improve his goalscoring game simple.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 9:39am On Jan 31, 2017
Emaprince:
.... But Hazard no be their mate. Watch Hazard on the ball, his decision making etc and compare with those two, the difference is too clear.

Hazard no be their mate abeg.
in football general aspect nobody said they are better player than hazard. His goalscoring game have to improve...

Pedro now have 8 goals and 7 assist in all comp...
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 9:41am On Jan 31, 2017
lordfalcao:
Hazard is a creator of the team doesn't stop him from picking goals. Most creator of elite teams in Europe pick up goals. He should improve his goalscoring game simple.
He has nine goals already bros and epl is not la Liga. So who are the other creator bar Messi?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 9:42am On Jan 31, 2017
lordfalcao:
in football general aspect nobody said they are better player than hazard. His goalscoring game have to improve...

Pedro now have 8 goals and 7 assist in all comp...
pedro play league and fa cup
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 11:19am On Jan 31, 2017
hensben:
pedro play league and fa cup
Pedro play league and fa cup, does Costa play fa cup too ??

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 11:21am On Jan 31, 2017
lordfalcao:
Pedro play league and fa cup, does Costa play fa cup too ??
Costa is a CF, that is his primary duty on the field of play is to score.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 11:22am On Jan 31, 2017
hensben:
He has nine goals already bros and epl is not la Liga. So who are the other creator bar Messi?
ronaldo. Griezman, E.t.c creates and score goals. He has 9 goals which is good but should be improve. He should be outscoring Alli, Kane, Sanchez with this current Chelsea form because he has the ability to beat defenders more than them.. Hazard goal scoring game should be improved simple.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 11:25am On Jan 31, 2017
hensben:
Costa is a CF, that is his primary duty on the field of play is to score.
you keep giving meaniless excuse for hazard oga.. They are 2-3 wingers outscoring him in Europe are they strikers too?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Lana1(m): 12:41pm On Jan 31, 2017
lordfalcao:
He should be outscoring Alli, Kane, Sanchez
Lol. Pls! You may be right about Alli. And maybe Kane. Maybe. But pls dont put Sanchez and Hazard in the same sentence. *In somebody's voice* "they are not mates". If Hazard no see awoof penalties, there is no way he's outscoring anybody.

Hazard goal scoring game should be improved simple.
Simple!

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 12:49pm On Jan 31, 2017
Hazard has definitely got to be scoring more goals. He is too naive in front of goal and that's too bad for the supposed 'best' player in the club and league.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by CONTEDDICTED: 1:06pm On Jan 31, 2017
The way people churn up nonsense ehn

People now play us with 5 defenders and sit deep leaving Hazard moving up and down trying to create chances up like when opponents open up and he played centrally .....Everyone play use with 3-4-3 which means Hazard has to track back the wingbacksand the RCB if needed unlike against 4-3-3 or 4-4-2,He is no longer central unlike the early days..

When he was scoring he didn't need to create much cause our game was open, even Messi's goal tally reduced when he took on the responsibility of creating


Make up your mind guys, what do you want in Hazard? A goalscorer or a creator?
Cause this guy can't do both

Play Fabregas, you said no you want Matic abeg don't kill Hazard... ..The boy has done nothing wrong

We all love him but I already made peace with the fact that Hazard won't score 25 goals a season, Ya all should deal with it

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:15pm On Jan 31, 2017
CONTEDDICTED:
T

Play Fabregas, you said no you want Matic abeg don't kill Hazard... ..The boy has done nothing wrong

This is the very koko. Long azz post incoming

Hazard is the main creator in the side. Sanchez has been playing 9 for most of the season and had Ozil and Xhaka behind him. Iwobi too. Ronado has them Modric, Isco and co. Griezman has Koke.

Hazard has a tendency to prefer to make goals rather than finish them, and that shows in our current setup where there's no vision in midfield.

Hazard and Sanchez have very similar stats when it comes to match involvement over the last 5 gameweeks(They are now both playing out on the left wing)

Hazard has 74.8 touches of the ball per game, Sanchez has 75.3 (rounded up both have 75 touches per game)
Hazard has 59.2 touches in the opponents half, Sanchez has 62.7 ( Again very similar numbers)
Hazard has 1.2 minutes per touch of the ball, Sanchez has 1.2 per touch

So far so good, both players have been seeing the ball at more or less the same rate as their teams respectively look for them all the time.

Where things begin to change is where they receive the ball and what they do with the ball when they get it.

Hazard collects 42.3 passes per game in the opposition half, Sanchez recieves 47 of his own passes per game in the opposition half
Hazard collects 28.2 passes per game in the opposition third. Sanchez recieves 33.7 of his passes per game in the opposition third

consequently
Hazard has 6.3 touches of the ball in the opposition penalty box per game, Sanchez has 8

Basically, Sanchez is seeing more of the ball in threatening positions than Hazard.

BUT that doesn't explain the massive discrepancy in shots between them.

Hazard goal attempts 1.5 per game. Sanchez 5.3
Hazard shots in the box 1.2 per game Sanchez 3.2

Hazard also takes a shot once every 58.8 minutes, Sanchez takes a shot every 17 minutes.

Clearly Hazard needs to up his shooting game....There's no doubt about that BUT there's a reason he doesn't shoot that much as seen below.

Sanchez creates 2.7 chances created per game, Hazard 2.5
Sanchez made 1.2 through balls per game, Hazard 0.2
Sanchez created a chance every 34.9 minutes, Hazard created a chance every 35.3 minutes

On the surface it would look like Sanchez is doing better than Hazard there too, but it's important to remember that:

When we attack, we attack with our front 3 supported by the wingbacks behind them. When Arsenal attack, Ramsey leaves the pivot to join them Ozil, Sanchez, Giroud, Iwobi up front. Bellerin and Monreal also step up to support the attack and create an overload.

So basically we attack with 3+2, Arsenal attack with 4+3.

The extra numbers Arsenal commit to the attack means that opposing teams cannot afford to try and mark Sanchez out of the game because the remaining 6 guys can kill you easily. Also it means that Sanchez has more people to aim for when creating chances. The likes of Giroud, Ozil, Walcott, Iwobi, Ramsey etc will make nice runs that he can aim through passes at.

Hazard has nobody like that. Only Costa is up top, Pedro\Willian and Hazard are the only 2 people that join him in his attacking line. Hazard has nobody to aim through pass to because we play 5 defensive players at all times. Instead he has to pass the ball short in that opposition half, and then move into space to collect it again, or he has to dribble several opponents to create a chance...because we play an inverted pivot. The man that should be at 10 is at centreback(Luiz). The DM that should surge forward and join the attack aint going nowhere(Matic). So Hazard has to be more responsible with his passing and be more patient when creating chances.

Hence

Hazard total pass completion 85% to Sanchez 74.8%
Hazard number of passes per game 54 to Sanchez 50
Hazard number of passes in opposition half 37.2 to Sanchez 31
Hazard percentage of successfull passes in opposition half 84% to Sanchez 74%

Hazard number of passes made in the final third 27.3, Sanchez 23.7
Hazard percentage of successfull passes in final third 84.1% to Sanchez 72.8%

In the end it is important to note that despite this Hazard is still creating a similar number of chances at a similar rate as Sanchez. That's crazy.

Long story short, Hazard has a creative burden in a team lacking creativity which is reluctant to commit men to attack, and is not being significantly outperformed by Sanchez who plays in a far more attacking team.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Skimpledawg(m): 3:40pm On Jan 31, 2017
All these long stories for Hazard? Are we going to continue pampering that niqqa? Niqqa should dance pass defences and score goals for us.


Abeg Chelsea vs Liverpool, what's the level?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SIRcumalot: 3:53pm On Jan 31, 2017
Skimpledawg:
All these long stories for Hazard? Are we going to continue pampering that niqqa? Niqqa should dance pass defences and score goals for us.


Abeg Chelsea vs Liverpool, what's the level?
Liverpool 3 Chelsea 0.
Go play am for nairabet.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 3:55pm On Jan 31, 2017
Ibime:


No point considering we hosted him in Stamford Bridge box last year and he chose Celtic.

I was hoping he would sign for us then but I can't stomach paying £40m for something that was free last summer. Even £20m is too much given Scottish league strikers are hit and miss. Some hit like Henrik Larsson, others miss like that Croatia striker for Everton wey I done forget him name.

Dembele is in London now.

Most likely negotiation is on as we speak.

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 4:00pm On Jan 31, 2017
Lana1:
Lol. Pls! You may be right about Alli. And maybe Kane. Maybe. But pls dont put Sanchez and Hazard in the same sentence. *In somebody's voice* "they are not mates". If Hazard no see awoof penalties, there is no way he's outscoring anybody.

Simple!
hazard plays the same game Sanchez plays, his goal scoring ability should be level or above Sanchez

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