dayokanu:

And why didnt Arsenal qualify? Were you blind when Bayern gave them a masterclass in Emirates and effective killed the tie?

You are mad.
Were you wearing G-Strings on your face when your keeper was holding on to the ball after Arsenal's 2nd goal like his life depended on it?

A-40:

"Ashley Cole can take freekicks if given the opportunity" I'm sure Per Mertesacker can also take and score freekicks if given the opportunity

I repeat offensively Alaba shytes on Cole! Defensively is the only trump card Cole holds and there is every possibility that would vanish as Alaba matures

It says a lot about Alaba's ability to be a key member of this team at such a young age



Abeg abeg abeg! As Burna Boy go talk. I can sense some traces of Afaraweism here don't get it twisted you can count on one hand the teams that would do what Bayern did tonight in all of Europe! just because we made it look easy doesn't mean it was!
Don't try this at home results may vary

Cos if I recall correctly this same Man City destroyed Chelsea home,away and on neutral ground last season this Yaya Toure you are dissing always r@pes yall without prophylactics

Sharrap!
Did the same Chelsea not have the same Bayern reduced to pedestrians?

Why are these Germans so desperate to make Alaba look any better than he is by comparing him to Cole?

Why can't Alaba stand out on his own and be recognised if he is that good? Why are you forcing it by putting him up against the Boss himself? Isn't this an admission that Cole is indeed the best around, therefore using Cole's very high standards to weigh Alaba?

nitlad:

You are mad.
Were you wearing G-Strings on your face when your keeper was holding on to the ball after Arsenal's 2nd goal like his life depended on it?

And what does the above tripe you posted mean in the context?

Bayern already won the tie at the Emirates and the return leg was a mere formalty.

nitlad: Why are these Germans so desperate to make Alaba look any better than he is by comparing him to Cole?

Why can't Alaba stand out on his own and be recognised if he is that good? Why are you forcing it by putting him up against the Boss himself? Isn't this an admission that Cole is indeed the best around, therefore using Cole's very high standards to weigh Alaba?

Alaba is already what Cole nor any of his descendants would never be. No one is making Alaba looks better, Alabas skills makes him better than Cole simple.

Alaba has been standing on his own and holding his own vs top teams both offensively and defensively. Something 100 Cashley Coles joined together can never achieve

dayokanu:

And what does the above tripe you posted mean in the context?

Bayern already won the tie at the Emirates and the return leg was a mere formalty.



Alaba is already what Cole nor any of his descendants would never be. No one is making Alaba looks better, Alabas skills makes him better than Cole simple.

Alaba has been standing on his own and holding his own vs top teams both offensively and defensively. Something 100 Cashley Coles joined together can never achieve

Sorry to Say this, Any1 trying to Argue wiv u or trying to Convience u is just wasting his time.. You are an ENGLISH HATER And a GERMAN BUTT LICKER...

nitlad:



Sharrap!
Did the same Chelsea not have the same Bayern reduced to pedestrians?

Pedestrians? What is this dothraki u are chatting? You guys bunkered like cowards relying on agbero tactics and counter-attacks to score! Why not bring out the stats that clearly showed we left yall FUBAR

Bimfo:

Sorry to Say this, Any1 trying to Argue wiv u or trying to Convience u is just wasting his time.. You are an ENGLISH HATER And a GERMAN BUTT LICKER...

Now tell me what is wrong with all I have said with Facts

A-40:

Pedestrians? What is this dothraki u are chatting? You guys bunkered like cowards relying on agbero tactics and counter-attacks to score! Why not bring out the stats that clearly showed we left yall FUBAR

The cowards who were playing Stoke City type tactics. Stoke have the excuse of lack of money to compete

What do we say about money miss road with an attack like of 150m yet could only camp in their box 18 and boot the ball to row Z

I wonder what Akwa United would do

Your Yaya and Fernadinho EPL best pivot were brutally molested just like the whole Chelsea team was on August 30

So whose next among these fake English club to line up for another ass rimming?

Commentators said they have never seen any club brutally molested like that at home

The Home team former EPL champion having 34% possesion

---------Man City -------Bayern

Shots ------9------------20

On target --3------------8

Corners ----6 -----------4

Fouls ------15 ----------13

It cant be worse even if Barcelona play Ashanti Kotoko

Chelsea Team Statistics FC Bayern München

6 Shots on Target 10
5 Shots off Target 18
3 Blocked Shots 13
5 Corners 15
22 Fouls 18
4 Offsides 1
6 Yellow Cards 2
1 Red Cards 0
65.52% Passing Success 87.88%
41 Tackles 18
70.73% Tackles Success 72.22%
24.98% Possession 75.02%
36.75% Territorial Advantage 63.25%
261 Total Passes 784


300 Total Passes (All) 846
8 Total Crosses 42
58 Recoveries 66
171 Successful Passes 689

http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/286737/report

Just see the shameful stats posted by the money miss road club with Torres 50m, Hazard 30m, Oscar- 30m, Schurrle- 25m
You cant buy class simple

nitlad: Abi are they not supposed to be "beasting every midfield" according to this fool?



Why isn't this happening yet?
Rather, Citeh's archetypal "two thugs" were eaten for dinner by a midfield that contained Lahm, a career right-back!

Will you shut the fork up you tout?

Best focus on your rubbish you typed about Alaba.

City will beast the league with this midfield no doubt. Can't say that against teams like Bayern, Barca and Dortmund whose midfields I rate more highly. Why should it be surprising for Yaya and Fernandinho to be overrun by a better team playing with six midfielders whilst City are carrying two strikers. It's not rocket science who would win the midfield battle but you still wanna rant rubbish because of Ibime. The pertinent question is which Premierleague manager would not swap their midfield two for Citys. Perhaps only Wenger may decline at this point in time.

Where was this nincompoop when the same Lahm collected 70% possession against his team in Monaco?

Are these not the same nincompoop who put 6 Chelsea players in a combined Barca/Bayern team? Meanwhile I was sure Kroos and even Bayern substitute midfielders would get in before anyone at Chelsea and only gave space to Cech and Ivanovic.

Chelsea should go and play City, lets see whether City would not turn to Bayern.

Another Arsenal nincompoop would not quote the one I said about Flamini, instead focussing on where he can score points.

dayokanu:

Being Englands best Left back means zilch since England is a joke to start with

Didnt you see how Englands best Keeper was disgraced less than 4hrs ago?

ashley cole räping bayern since 1881.

coogar:

ashley cole räping bayern since 1881.

Luiz can be sooooo poor sometimes.

His over-commitment to his often mis-timed tackles almost always require last ditch efforts from his teammates to thwart the opposition.

alaba ko, alawo ni. jokers inc.

coogar:

ashley cole räping bayern since 1881.

Cashley Cole making a last ditch tackle like Robert Huth as usual. Sensible defenders dont have to make last ditch lounging tackles when they can easily snuff out danger from miles away

The gif he showed reveals to us Alaba rapping Chelsea defence as usual while they are left with making Stoke City type of desperate defending

Ibime:

Will you shut the fork up you tout?

Best focus on your rubbish you typed about Alaba.

City will beast the league with this midfield no doubt. Can't say that against teams like Bayern, Barca and Dortmund whose midfields I rate more highly. Why should it be surprising for Yaya and Fernandinho to be overrun by a better team playing with six midfielders whilst City are carrying two strikers. It's not rocket science who would win the midfield battle but you still wanna rant rubbish because of Ibime. The pertinent question is which Premierleague manager would not swap their midfield two for Citys. Perhaps only Wenger may decline at this point in time.

Where was this nincompoop when the same Lahm collected 70% possession against his team in Monaco?

As if Man U were not r@ped with this same midfield less than two weeks ago! City just fell to a force higher than them and there's no shame in that

Ibime:


Are these not the same nincompoop who put 6 Chelsea players in a combined Barca/Bayern team? Meanwhile I was sure Kroos and even Bayern substitute midfielders would get in before anyone at Chelsea and only gave space to Cech and Ivanovic.

Chelsea should go and play City, lets see whether City would not turn to Bayern.

Aside last season's Mata no Chelsea midfielder would start at Bayern

Of course in recent years City have pretty much dominated Chelsea and last season was the height. I'm very sure this same City midfield would batter Chelsea's to a pulp

A-40:

As if Man U were not r@ped with this same midfield less than two weeks ago! City just fell to a force higher than them and there's no shame in that



Aside last season's Mata no Chelsea midfielder would start at Bayern

Of course in recent years City have pretty much dominated Chelsea and last season was the height. I'm very sure this same City midfield would batter Chelsea's to a pulp

Unless Chelsea deploy all those Stoke City like tactics again, There is no way they wont be molested by Man City or any other club

Even playing Manure, Jose had to use some of the most cowardly lineup ever seen in the British Isle

A 500m team playing like Hull City.

All those yabbing man City bring all of them Bayern would repeat the same thing on them all

We have many things in our armory to whoop anyone be it tikitaka, Counter attacks or direct play.

Stoopid argument haf start again.


The better player is one who excels at his primary responsibility, consistently. That, my friend, is Ashley Cole. All this 'Alaba assist this' 'Alaba assist that' is subjective argument and devoid of stern analysis. When the chips are down, Ribery is not playing on the flank and Alaba has to defend against Robben, this is when you know where Alaba's balls sit.

It's a tactical advantage for a team when a full back joins the attack, it however stoopid when we begin to overrate the extent of player's primary responsibility on the back of flashes of decent auxiliary contribution.

Alaba will remain to me like Jordi Alba; at least until he plays in a team where his back is pushed against the wall and still manages to fend off the likes of Robben, Ronaldo, whilst contributing fairly in attack.

A-40:

Aside last season's Mata no Chelsea midfielder would start at Bayern

Hazard/Robben is up in the air for who takes the right wing, but Mata cannot take shirt from Gotze, Kroos or Muller in this life or the next.

These guys are midfielders (especially Kroos and Gotze) in every sense of the word who bring big stadiums to their knees eg Nou Camp and Bernabeu and make proven performers like Alonso and Khedira look like babies in the biggest games.

You can't compare a true midfielder to a forward (Mata) who depends on his midfield to perform before he can come into the game. Mata has to go to the wing to fight for spot with Robben cos no space for him in Bayern middle. Not even close!!

nateevs: Stoopid argument haf start again.


The better player is one who excels in his primary responsibility, consistently. That my friends is Ashley Cole. All this Alaba assist this Alaba assist that is subjective argument and devoid of stern analysis. When the chips are down, Ribery is not playing on the flank and Alaba has to defend against Robben. This is when you know where Alaba's balls sit.

It's a tactical advantage for a team when a full back joins the attack, it however stoopid when we begin to overrate the extent of player's primary responsibility on the back of flashes of decent auxiliary contribution.

Alaba will remain to me like Jordi Alba; at least until he plays in a team where his back is pushed against the wall and still manages to fend off the likes of Robben, Ronaldo, whilst contributing fairly in attack.

If you know anything about European football you would see that one of Alabas early games in European football was against Madrid and he excelled shutting down Ronaldo, Ozil or Di Maria

He played against the almighty Barcelona too and excelled contributing defensively by shutting down his opponent and offensively by setting up 2 goals, One for Muller, one for Robben against the best team in Europe over 2 legs.

He faced Vidal vs Juve and excelled Juve didnt get a sniff of goal from his side and Alaba capped it with a goal

Tell us anything Cole has done vs a decent team aside from making last ditch tackles and playing ultra defensive. Vs any top team what has ever been Coles offensive contribution

nateevs: Stoopid argument haf start again.


The better player is one who excels at his primary responsibility, consistently. That, my friend, is Ashley Cole. All this 'Alaba assist this' 'Alaba assist that' is subjective argument and devoid of stern analysis. When the chips are down, Ribery is not playing on the flank and Alaba has to defend against Robben, this is when you know where Alaba's balls sit.

It's a tactical advantage for a team when a full back joins the attack, it however stoopid when we begin to overrate the extent of player's primary responsibility on the back of flashes of decent auxiliary contribution.

Alaba will remain to me like Jordi Alba; at least until he plays in a team where his back is pushed against the wall and still manages to fend off the likes of Robben, Ronaldo, whilst contributing fairly in attack.

I disagree with the idea of defensive duties being the primary of all full backs. Certainly, some fullbacks are mandated to sit back defensively, but most attacking teams these days have at least one full back whose primary duty is to overload the flanks and act as a more withdrawn winger - Players like Marcelo, Dani Alves, Evra and Indeed Alaba fall into this category.

The reality is that the above players are only labeled defenders on paper but in reality are wingers. Under Pep, Barca played a 3-4-3 cleverly disguised as a 4-3-3 with Alves flitting between midfield and defense as needed.

Alaba has been known to play in central midfield and as a winger, so your 'primary defensive responsibility' clearly does not apply to him.

Ibime:

Hazard/Robben is up in the air for who takes the right wing, but Mata cannot take shirt from Gotze, Kroos or Muller in this life or the next.

These guys are midfielders (especially Kroos and Gotze) in every sense of the word who bring big stadiums to their knees eg Nou Camp and Bernabeu and make proven performers like Alonso and Khedira look like babies in the biggest games.

You can't compare a true midfielder to a forward. Mata has to go to the wing to fight for spot with Robben cos no space for him in Bayern middle. Not even close!!

Kroos is a special talent. Who can hold his weight in a midfield make tackles and provide sumptuos assists

The way he bossed Fernadinho yesterday must put the 30m man to shame

The same thing he did to Alonso and Khedira At the Bernabeu

Mata Hazard are defensive liabilities and cant be played as a 10. Rather shove them to the wings let Mata, hazard compete with Roben and Ribery and based on overall game and defensive work, I would think Robbery still wins both wings

Kroos rapingg 30m valued Fernadinho less than 24hrs ago

GustavoFring: I disagree with the idea of defensive duties being the primary of all full backs. Certainly, some fullbacks are mandated to sit back defensively, but most attacking teams these days have at least one full back whose primary duty is to overload the flanks and act as a more withdrawn winger - Players like Marcelo, Dani Alves, Evra and Indeed Alaba fall into this category.

The reality is that the above players are only labeled defenders on paper but in reality are wingers. Under Pep, Barca played a 3-4-3 cleverly disguised as a 4-3-3 with Alves flitting between midfield and defense as needed.

Alaba has been known to play in central midfield and as a winger, so your 'primary defensive responsibility' clearly does not apply to him.

Leave nateevs make he dey yarn opaks

Its easy to know those with defective analysis.

In modern day football is there anything like "Primary responsibilities" especially talking about a Full back? Mention any fullback who isnt excellent going forward

Is it Lizarazu, Sagnol, Carlos, Cafu, Lahm, Zambrotta, Dani Alves, Alba, Marcelo who? Yet some stay in the Yisa Shofoluwe, Austin Eguavoen era Full back who are clueless going forward.

As a modern full back Ashley Cole cant make top 10.

GustavoFring:

I disagree with the idea of defensive duties being the primary of all full backs. Certainly, some fullbacks are mandated to sit back defensively, but most attacking teams these days have at least one full back whose primary duty is to overload the flanks and act as a more withdrawn winger - Players like Marcelo, Dani Alves, Evra and Indeed Alaba fall into this category.

The reality is that the above players are only labeled defenders on paper but in reality are wingers. Under Pep, Barca played a 3-4-3 cleverly disguised as a 4-3-3 with Alves flitting between midfield and defense as needed.

Alaba has been known to play in central midfield and as a winger, so your 'primary defensive responsibility' clearly does not apply to him.

This reiterates my point of view. Ashley is a better left back than Alaba.

nateevs:


This reiterates my point of view. Ashley is a better left back than Alaba.

Even though they say opinions are free, But How can anyone this ridiculous opinion


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKackDsjEfU

The first 15 seconds show Alaba molesting Madrid right back and Khedira in one fell swoop

Below is another as a 19yr old giving Jose Mourinho Madrid players the D!



Show us anything decent Ashley Cole has done in the opposition half vs a top team

nateevs:


This reiterates my point of view. Ashley is a better left back than Alaba.

How does it reiterate your view?

Currently Alaba is clearly the better left back.

He is constantly attacking the opposition, and tracks back when he has to.

Ashley is constantly Marking the opposition but hardly makes meaningful forward plays these days.

They both excel on the Pitch, but Alaba's all round contribution is clearly greater than Cole's defensive activity .

So I dont understand how Cole is still better than Alaba to you.

GustavoFring: How does it reiterate your view?

Currently Alaba is clearly the better left back.

He is constantly attacking the opposition, and tracks back when he has to.

Ashley is constantly Marking the opposition but hardly makes meaningful forward plays these days.

They both excel on the Pitch, but Alaba's all round contribution is clearly greater than Cole's defensive activity .

So I dont understand how Cole is still better than Alaba to you.

Abeg help me ask am oo. Abi English is the problem

Below Shows Alaba bending legendary Buffon over and giving him the D!!

dayokanu:

Leave nateevs make he dey yarn opaks

Its easy to know those with defective analysis.

In modern day football is there anything like "Primary responsibilities" especially talking about a Full back? Mention any fullback who isnt excellent going forward

Is it Lizarazu, Sagnol, Carlos, Cafu, Lahm, Zambrotta, Dani Alves, Alba, Marcelo who? Yet some stay in the Yisa Shofoluwe, Austin Eguavoen era Full back who are clueless going forward.

As a modern full back Ashley Cole cant make top 10.

What Jackbauer is explaining is basically tactics and how a player's abilities fit in. This has got nothing to do with a pound for pound comparison with two players. This is why I say this argument is very subjective. Alaba's attacking prowess can be attributed largely to fear created in the opposition by Ribery who plays in front of him. This does not automatically make Alaba a better left back than Ashley.


In modern day football, primary responsibility is of crucial importance than you care to admit. This is the reason why David Luiz, in-spite of his attacking abilities (pass completion rate, free kicks, aerial threat, finishing on goal), is considered a defensive liability by most.

In truth, his deficiencies are exposed more because of tactics of the team he plays in. If he plays in a Barcelona team, his attacking abilities will blossom more and going by this logic, many will consider him a better defender than Manuel Vidic.

This is a direct comparison of the 2.

Check all the tabs Overall defensive and offensive

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/39722

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/342/

Alaba bosses Cole in every defensive aspect except tackles

Offensive is a disaster for Cole. Alaba took him to school everyday of the week

NB: In those links above Check only stats in the Champions league. I would even give you that regardless that Alaba has played CSKA and City while Cole has played Steau and basel.

We know the strenght of both opposition

nateevs:


What Jackbauer is explaining is basically tactics and how a player's abilities fit in. This has got nothing to do with a pound for pound comparison with two players. This is why I say this argument is very subjective. Alaba's attacking prowess can be attributed largely to fear created in the opposition by Ribery who plays in front of him. This does not automatically make Alaba a better left back than Ashley.


In modern day football, primary responsibility is of crucial importance than you care to admit. This is the reason why David Luiz, in-spite of his attacking abilities (pass completion rate, free kicks, aerial threat, finishing on goal), is considered a defensive liability by most.

In truth, his deficiencies are exposed more because of tactics of the team he plays in. If he plays in a Barcelona team, his attacking abilities will blossom more and going by this logic, many will consider him a better defender than Manuel Vidic.

Cole plays behind Hazard are you saying Hazard doesnt create fear in the opposition? Or why dont we see Coles attacking forays?

There is nothing subjective about it. Easily Alaba bosses Cole everyday of the week.

In modern football whats the primary responsibilty of a striker? Why then are pointmen being relegated nowadays for ball playing strikers?

In modern football what are the primary responsibility of a 10? Why then does Jose prefer Oscar to Mata?

In modern football what are the primary responsibilities of a 4? Why then is Busquets preferred to a Mikel?

in modern football what are the responsibilities of a winger? Why then are wingers required to track back?

In modern football what are the primary responsibilities of a Full Back? Why then are full backs expected to join attack

if you dont know that nowadays Goalkeepers are even expected to have play making abilities then you need to ditch your Afro and Keep Lagos Clean trousers before its too late.

Hello sir, Its the days of Justin Beiber not Elvis Presley

GustavoFring:

How does it reiterate your view?

Currently Alaba is clearly the better left back.

He is constantly attacking the opposition, and tracks back when he has to.

Ashley is constantly Marking the opposition but hardly makes meaningful forward plays these days.

They both excel on the Pitch, but Alaba's all round contribution is clearly greater than Cole's defensive activity .

So I dont understand how Cole is still better than Alaba to you.

Mate please scratch what I said. I read that in a hurry, missed your first statement and shouldn't have replied hurriedly.
It doesn't reiterate my view.

What is does do is emphasises a subjective view on tactics and how players fit in. Somebody like Jose Mourinho will not agree with you that a full back's primary responsibility is not defending. Likewise someone like Rafa Benitez. In the same vein, someone like Pep might disagree that a winger's primary responsibility is to provide cover for his full back. Jose Mourinho disagrees with that.

What's my point? If we throw in the argument of tactics viz a viz modern football, this argument will run off course and become even more complex. What we should do is bring it back to the basics.

If it makes any difference, I like Alaba and always prefer an attacking full back than a fully defensive one. What I would not do is say that because one provides brilliant offensive contribution, then he is automatically better than one that provides unmatched defensive contribution. Especially considering that they are "left backs" to begin with.

nateevs:


What Jackbauer is explaining is basically tactics and how a player's abilities fit in. This has got nothing to do with a pound for pound comparison with two players. This is why I say this argument is very subjective. Alaba's attacking prowess can be attributed largely to fear created in the opposition by Ribery who plays in front of him. This does not automatically make Alaba a better left back than Ashley.


In modern day football, primary responsibility is of crucial importance than you care to admit. This is the reason why David Luiz, in-spite of his attacking abilities (pass completion rate, free kicks, aerial threat, finishing on goal), is considered a defensive liability by most.

In truth, his deficiencies are exposed more because of tactics of the team he plays in. If he plays in a Barcelona team, his attacking abilities will blossom more and going by this logic, many will consider him a better defender than Manuel Vidic.

To be fair, Tactics does play a big part in this analysis -BUT there are certain things that cannot be denied.

Alaba's Physicality is very obvious- His pace and Stamina are evident every time he plays, Ashley is 32 -It is absurd to expect him to Maraud the flanks the way the young Austrian can. As a result Ashley's physical limitations directly impact on his manager's tactics. In that regard, Alaba can do Cole's Job, but Cole can clearly not do Alaba's.

Cole used to be very attacking, and his combinations with Drogba were often lethal, as Arsenal found out again and again- but now we dont see that anymore.

Alaba also seems to have close control of a kind I can't remember Cole ever having,as well as an ability to dribble at great pace.

Factor in Alaba's skill at set pieces and Dead Ball Situations, and it's a no-brainer

nateevs: What is does do is emphasises a subjective view on tactics and how players fit in. Somebody like Jose Mourinho will not agree with you that a full back's primary responsibility is not defending. Likewise someone like Rafa Benitez. In the same vein, someone like Pep might disagree that a winger's primary responsibility is to provide cover for his full back. Jose Mourinho disagrees with that.

Sorry sir you are wrong again.
Was it not this same Mourinho who brought Bosingwa along with him from Porto,
Was it not this same Mourinho that used Marcelo(One of the most attacking Full backs currently) to great effect?
Was it not this same Mourinho that splashed 30m on Coentrao,
Scratch that, wasnt it the same Mourinho who routed most of Inters attack through Maicon (A full back)

If Mourinho sees an Alaba he would ditch Cole in a Jiffy. No coach would see Alaba and prefer Cole. I mean no sensible coach would not desire the overload a talented Full back causes in the game. It makes it look like youre playing an extra man

GustavoFring: To be fair, Tactics does play a big part in this analysis -BUT there are certain things that cannot be denied.

Alaba's Physicality is very obvious- His pace and Stamina are evident every time he plays, Ashley is 32 -It is absurd to expect him to Maraud the flanks the way the young Austrian can. As a result Ashley's physical limitations directly impact on his manager's tactics. In that regard, Alaba can do Cole's Job, but Cole can clearly not do Alaba's.

Cole used to be very attacking, and his combinations with Drogba were often lethal, as Arsenal found out again and again- but now we dont see that anymore.

Alaba also seems to have close control of a kind I can't remember Cole ever having,as well as an ability to dribble at great pace.

Factor in Alaba's skill at set pieces and Dead Ball Situations, and it's a no-brainer

Alabas pace and technique is frightening, especially given he started as a midfielder and still plays the role for his NT, His step overs if Cole attempts it na Igbobi orthopaedic sure pass for him, His long balls cant be matched by Cole, His passes excellent. EYe for goal is way beyond Coles ability.

I am certain Cole has Alabas poster somewhere in his room wishing he would be like that

If not for the English Press, Cole wouldnt be rated any higher than Djimi Traore