nihilistjnr:
Donjazet doesnt understand the meaning of rape.

So many paragraphs, such little substance.

You misunderstand me, I have not been arguing on the specifics of this Particular issue. I have stated that my problem stems from the fact that a "man of God" would preach something and then go and do the opposite and his followers would blindly follow.
Now, whether it was rape or not, HE FORNICATED SEVERALLY, and that shouldn't be expected from a pastor. I certainly hope i have cleared you on my stance.

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BikeMan:
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donjazet:


You misunderstand me, I have not been arguing on the specifics of this Particular issue. I have stated that my problem stems from the fact that a "man of God" would preach something and then go and do the opposite and his followers would blindly follow.
Now, whether it was rape or not, HE FORNICATED SEVERALLY, and that shouldn't be expected from a pastor. I certainly hope i have cleared you on my stance.

Well, i dont really care about the morality of thr man in question - that is not my concern.

Morality is subjective and open to interpretation. Fornication is sex outside of marriage. King Solomon had 300 oloshos that servicing outside his wives, and is deemed one of the greatest biblical characters ever.

Abraham attempted to murder his son as a human sacrifice. But you continue to pray for blessings of abraham in church.

Solomon wrote soft porn about his babes boobs. Elisha commanded bears to eat a bunch of children, Elijah roasted a bunch of false prophets.

Peter refused to eat unclean animals- ths same unclean animals declared unfit for consumption by his religion, but somehow he had an epiphany between him and his God that no animals are unclean.

Even when the son of God came down to earth, judgemental people like you killed him. A whole son of God, and the people killed him because he had different religious beliefs.

The fact of the matter is that morality is a discussion between olukaku and his God.

If you saw somebody trying to stab a child today, claiming sacrifice, you would address rhe crime of attempted murder, but how do you know that his god didnt necesarily tell him to slay the child like Abraham.

Bros mind your business. What people chose to do and their belief system is of no concern to you, as long as it is legal.

I am only concerned about the case because Fatoyibo was accused of carrying out a criminal activity


Jesu of Oyingbo had a harem of biychès living with him in Maryland - that was his belief, and those who shared his belief attended his church.

The ones that didnt, did not go to his church. Patapata they compose one song about him, but everybody mind their business.

Bros mind your business.

nihilistjnr:


Well, i dont really care about the morality of thr man in question - that is not my concern.

Morality is subjective and open to interpretation. Fornication is sex outside of marriage. King Solomon had 300 oloshos that servicing outside his wives, and is deemed one of the greatest biblical characters ever.

Abraham attempted to murder his son as a human sacrifice. But you continue to pray for blessings of abraham in church.

Solomon wrote soft porn about his babes boobs. Elisha commanded bears to eat a bunch of children, Elijah roasted a bunch of false prophets.

Peter refused to eat unclean animals- ths same unclean animals declared unfit for consumption by his religion, but somehow he had an epiphany between him and his God that no animals are unclean.

Even when the son of God came down to earth, judgemental people like you killed him. A whole son of God, and the people killed him because he had different religious beliefs.

The fact of the matter is that morality is a discussion between olukaku and his God.

If you saw somebody trying to stab a child today, claiming sacrifice, you would address rhe crime of attempted murder, but how do you know that his god didnt necesarily tell him to slay the child like Abraham.

Bros mind your business. What people chose to do and their belief system is of no concern to you, as long as it is legal.

I am only concerned about the case because Fatoyibo was accused of carrying out a criminal activity


Jesu of Oyingbo had a harem of biychès living with him in Maryland - that was his belief, and those who shared his belief attended his church.

The ones that didnt, did not go to his church. Patapata they compose one song about him, but everybody mind their business.

Bros mind your business.

Meanwhile, there were consequences and i think in the book of Ecclesiastes, Solomon lamented and regretted it.

thorrvik55:
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airmark:




Meanwhile, there were consequences and i think in the book of Ecclesiastes, Solomon lamented and regretted it.

Consequences were personal to Solo and his God.

The same Solo that was nacking 300 unmarried women is the same guy that built the greatest temple in Jewish History.

And he is recorded in the bible at least yarning one on one with Jah.

David the guy aftet Gods heart, is on record as running a nationsl competion to find the next big olosho.

Imagine organising Xfactor or The voice, simply to identify an olosho to nack your President.

Morality is a personal race. Its between you and whoever you believe in.

Legal system is to judge the law. Let God judge your morals.

nihilistjnr:


Consequences were personal to Solo and his God.

The same Solo that was nacking 300 unmarried women is the same guy that built the greatest temple in Jewish History.

And he is recorded in the bible at least yarning one on one with Jah.

David the guy aftet Gods heart, is on record as running a nationsl competion to find the next big olosho.

Imagine organising Xfactor or The voice, simply to identify an olosho to nack your President.

Morality is a personal race. Its between you and whoever you believe in.

Legal system is to judge the law. Let God judge your morals.

I am not talking about the legal aspect of it. Even in the case of Coza pastor, i picked holes in Timi's wife story.

I was just trying to point it out to you that Solomon didn't go against God's laws, without punishment.

Maybe i misinterpreted your line below.

nihilistjnr:


Morality is subjective and open to interpretation. Fornication is sex outside of marriage. King Solomon had 300 oloshos that servicing outside his wives, and is deemed one of the greatest biblical characters ever.

nihilistjnr:

The fact of the matter is that morality is a discussion between olukaku and his God.

This your love for jambody Lukaku even dey affect your writing

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nihilistjnr:


Well, i dont really care about the morality of thr man in question - that is not my concern

Morality is subjective and open to interpretation. Fornication is sex outside of marriage. King Solomon had 300 oloshos that servicing outside his wives, and is deemed one of the greatest biblical characters ever.

I have stated earlier that I'm not religious, so stop using events that may or may not have happened thousands of years ago to justify what common sense and empathy dictates is right. You're just like the pro slavery guys who used the slavery verses in the Bible to justify their actions.

If you saw somebody trying to stab a child today, claiming sacrifice, you would address rhe crime of attempted murder, but how do you know that his god didnt necesarily tell him to slay the child like Abraham.

As I have said earlier, I am not religious, this point you've made in your points is one of the reasons I don't think the religious books should be used as a moral guide for humanity.
They are very inconsistent in their rules and the messages constantly vary and contrast from chapter to chapter. Some parts are mostly humanists in words and principle while a few seem violent and melancholic in nature.
The Bible is very clearly misogynistic, favours slavery and monarchy and supports violence.
Which is why I believe that everyone's guiding principle in life should be based on "one always putting himself in the shoes of other people". One should have the freewill to do as he pleases in so far as it doesn't negatively affect another individual. Fundamentally, we should be humanists.

Bros mind your business. What people chose to do and their belief system is of no concern to you, as long as it is legal.
Bros mind your business.

If by "mind your business", you mean that one should look away when he sees someone doing
what he believes to be wrong, then I strongly disagree with you, I would rather call the person out on it and try to understand what justification he might have for the said action.

You are trying to say that if we see a 65 year old man who marries a 13 year old girl, we shouldn't speak against it since it isn't illegal and it doesn't concern us. Don't you see anything wrong with that?? Would you allow your 13 year old daughter to get married?
Would you not rather wish this issue became illegal?
Something becomes immoral when it affects someone else negatively, in this case the 13 year old girl who is in no way physically, mentally or emotionally ready for marriage. You can't use ancient practices to justify heinous acts. Then what is the need for evolution?

donjazet:




I have stated earlier that I'm not religious, so stop using events that may or may not have happened thousands of years ago to justify what common sense and empathy dictates is right.

If you are not religious, then what is your point?

Fatoyinbo is religious, and his morality code is based on events that happened thousands of years ago.

If you dont subscribe to his religion, then what right do you have to say he is morally wrong?

Fatoyinbo can point to the bible and say that Abraham had many wives, Jacaob had many wives, David and Solomon both amassed masses of sexual partners, married and unmarried.

If he choses to base his life based on his interpretation of those guys antics, what right do you have to say he is morally wrong?

Who made you morally right?

Guy rest and mind your business abeg.

The only thing that myself and Dayo have been questioning is if the guy raped busola. If he is having consensual sex with other women, that is not my business - Let him settle that with his God.

Give to Caesar what is Caesars, and mind your business.

donjazet:




You are trying to say that if we see a 65 year old man who marries a 13 year old girl, we shouldn't speak against it since it isn't illegal and it doesn't concern us. Don't you see anything wrong with that?? Would you allow your 13 year old daughter to get married?
Would you not rather wish this issue became illegal?
Something becomes immoral when it affects someone else negatively, in this case the 13 year old girl who is in no way physically, mentally or emotionally ready for marriage. You can't use ancient practices to justify heinous acts. Then what is the need for evolution?

This analogy does not make sense. And its like you are throwing a ton of shït at a wall hoping something sticks.

Fatoyinbo was accussd of rape, which is already against the law.

Nobody said rapists should not be punished, but we must establish that you commited the crime first before we send you jail.

If it is established that Fatoyibo did not rape Busola, and actually had consensual sex with her, then what do you want to criminalise?
Consensual extra-marital sex?

What is the heinous crime that Fatoyibo would have commited if it is proven beyond doubt thar Fatoyibo consensually blew her back out?

Abi what other point are you trying to make sef?

nihilistjnr:


Consequences were personal to Solo and his God.

The same Solo that was nacking 300 unmarried women is the same guy that built the greatest temple in Jewish History.

And he is recorded in the bible at least yarning one on one with Jah.

David the guy aftet Gods heart, is on record as running a nationsl competion to find the next big olosho.

Imagine organising Xfactor or The voice, simply to identify an olosho to nack your President.

Morality is a personal race. Its between you and whoever you believe in.

Legal system is to judge the law. Let God judge your morals.

Solomon was a king, Biodun is a pastor. Till today Kings marry many wives. So it is improper to compare a king to a pastor when it comes to adultery or fornication.

Lol

thorrvik55:
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hensben:
Solomon was a king, Biodun is a pastor. Till today Kings marry many wives. So it is improper to compare a king to a pastor when it comes to adultery or fornication.

Improper to who?

Who made you a religious authority to decide who is allowed multiple wives?

Solomon wrote at least 3 books in the bible that you read today, and built the greatesr temple in Jewish History - and he had 300 oloshos on the side.

Even here on Nairaland, many people don't reckon with what you say. Who are you to then challenge one of the guys who wrote the Bible?

And thats my point.

Nobody said you cant disagree with an opinion or point of view. But disagreement does not mean you are right.

Disagree and mind your business. Its when you disagree and insist that the other person is wrong that we will ask you what makes you right.

Nobody is the moral police. Mind your business.

nihilistjnr:


If you are not religious, then what is your point?

Fatoyinbo is religious, and his morality code is based on events that happened thousands of years ago.

If you dont subscribe to his religion, then what right do you have to say he is morally wrong?


If he choses to base his life based on his interpretation of those guys antics, what right do you have to say he is morally wrong?

Who made you morally right?

Give to Caesar what is Caesars, and mind your business.

You know, for a supposed smart guy, your logic is abysmal.

What society would we have if we always look away from what we know in our guts is wrong??

I continue to use the case of slavery because it's one that hits closer to home since it was our ancestors.
Would slavery have been abolished if Abraham Lincoln and his fellow abolitionists listened to the slave owners telling them to "mind their business" since the slaves did not concern them or weren't related to them in anyway??

Would we have a largely slave-free world today if Lincoln and his cohorts did not criticize, correct and even fight for the freedom of slaves?
They fought for what they knew was right notwithstanding whether it affected personally or not and you guys are over there today benefiting from that legacy.

Listen, I don't know if you love to fuck_ 13 yr old girls or if you're okay with marrying one, I also don't know if you have a house help who you don't pay his just wages but I know it's wrong and I would always speak out against it and hope that that eventually it becomes illegal.

That something is not illegal today does not make it okay, we can only hope and work towards it eventually becoming illegal.

Concerning Fatoyinbo, Christianity TODAY deems fornication as a sin, they believe that one's body is the temple of the Lord and as such should be kept Holy. No Pastor would stand on the pulpit and say its okay to fornicate and commit adultery. All pastors preach monogamy and that is why there is outrage when a pastor is discovered to have done these things. It becomes HYPOCRISY and hypocrisy is WRONG.
Fatoyinbo is a popular and influential figure and even a moral guardian to thousands of people, so it only makes sense to question his deeds.

Now listen, I'm not saying one should make it his life Business or hobby to go around looking for faults in other people or looking for people to criticize BUT when a case like this pastors sporadic fornication or senator Yerimas underage marriage or any other influential persons issue makes national news and comes your way, you have to speak out for what is right.

hensben:
Solomon was a king, Biodun is a pastor. Till today Kings marry many wives. So it is improper to compare a king to a pastor when it comes to adultery or fornication.

Abraham is called the Father of Faith and was married to many women also had concubines.

donjazet:


You know, for a supposed smart guy, your logic is abysmal.

You are very stupid, you just dont know it yet.

I continue to use the case of slavery because it's one that hits closer to home since it was our ancestors.
Would slavery have been abolished if Abraham Lincoln and his fellow abolitionists listened to the slave owners telling them to "mind their business" since the slaves did not concern them or weren't related to them in anyway??

This is example 1 showcasing your stupidity. Are you not the same person that said you like sex a few posts ago? You also said you have both paid and un-paid extramarital sex.

If Fatoyibo is found not guilty of raping Busola, then that means his only 'crime' is the same one you are on record to admiting - Having pre-marital sex.

Congratulations you are not only stupid, you are a self-incriminating criminal.

You've been dodging my point about underage sex and marriage, Listen, I don't know if you love to fuck_ 13 yr old girls or if you're okay with marrying one but I know it's wrong and I would always speak out against it and hope that that eventually it becomes illegal.

I'm not dodging anything. You have no point, you're just too stupid to realise.

Fatoyibo has already been accused of a crime. Nobody is arguing that non-consensual sex is not illegal. What we're discussing is if he commited the crime or not

Concerning Fatoyinbo, Christianity TODAY deems fornication as a sin, they believe that one's body is the temple of the Lord and as such should be kept Holy

Exhibit 3 of your gross stupidity. I asked you earlier if you follow his religion, you said you dont believe in 1000 year old fairytales.

So why are you trying to claim superiority using a religion you dont believe in. Are you ok at all?

Also what is Christianity today? Do you know how many sects of christianity there are? Who told you they all agree on the same principles? Latter Day saints believe in polygamy if you dont know - They believe they are Christians. Jesu of oyingbo believed in polygamy, he believed he's a Christian. Catholics believe contraception is a sin. Lords chosen believe make up is a sin.

Its not as if Biodun is following another persons church. The man runs his own church teaching his own brand of religion. He is not even a member of CAN.

Who are YOU to dictate a belief system to him, if he chooses to believe he can fück multiple bitches as long as its consensual?

What makes YOUR own position right and his wrong - especially when you've already said you do the same thing?


How can one person be so stupid, deluded and Arrogant?

Bros, your business - you should mind it

donjazet:


Concerning Fatoyinbo, Christianity TODAY deems fornication as a sin, they believe that one's body is the temple of the Lord and as such should be kept Holy. No Pastor would stand on the pulpit and say its okay to fornicate and commit adultery. All pastors preach monogamy and that is why there is outrage when a pastor is discovered to have done these things. It becomes HYPOCRISY and hypocrisy is WRONG.
Fatoyinbo is a popular and influential figure and even a moral guardian to thousands of people, so it only makes sense to question his deeds.

Now listen, I'm not saying one should make it his life Business or hobby to go around looking for faults in other people or looking for people to criticize BUT when a case like this pastors sporadic fornication or senator Yerimas underage marriage or any other influential persons issue makes national news and comes your way, you have to speak out for what is right.

Assuming Fatoyinbo committed adultery or fornication, who will hold him responsible and what is the punishment for it? Who will enforce this punishment
Pastor Chris Oyakhilome was living separately from his wife for many yrs, His wife insinuated that he was cheating all through, did anyone arrest him?
Pastor Iginla, Apostle Suleman, Francis Wale Oke, Chris Okotie etc have all either been accused or admitted adultery, who will hold them responsible
The only person who can hold you for fornication or adultery is God or your spouse, Till date, none of the 2 has come to you to complain about Pastor Biodun.
If its rape then its a crime and goes beyond the wife, it becomes a law enforcement issue

I continue to use the case of slavery because it's one that hits closer to home since it was our ancestors.
Would slavery have been abolished if Abraham Lincoln and his fellow abolitionists listened to the slave owners telling them to "mind their business" since the slaves did not concern them or weren't related to them in anyway??

Would we have a largely slave-free world today if Lincoln and his cohorts did not criticize, correct and even fight for the freedom of slaves?
They fought for what they knew was right notwithstanding whether it affected personally or not and you guys are over there today benefiting from that legacy.

Listen, I don't know if you love to fuck_ 13 yr old girls or if you're okay with marrying one, I also don't know if you have a house help who you don't pay his just wages but I know it's wrong and I would always speak out against it and hope that that eventually it becomes illegal.

That something is not illegal today does not make it okay, we can only hope and work towards it eventually becoming illegal.

Do you realize Abraham Lincoln was a president and used the law to make slavery illegal?

There were other people who didn't support slavery and whatever they thought, as long as they didn't have the power to make it a law is just their own opinion

Until Buhari or any person in authority makes adultery illegal, then tell me what your problem is with Biodun

Change subject, your thread is boring ffs. Nothing Chelsea/Football related to read on.

raumdeuter:


Abraham is called the Father of Faith and was married to many women also had concubines.

Abraham is Old Testament. Jesus Christ is now the standard for Christianity; one man, one woman things according to Jesus. Moreover, Abraham never had concubines, he remarried after the death of Sarah his first wife. He impregnated the maid and it was sarah’s Consent.

raumdeuter:



Until Buhari or any person in authority makes adultery illegal, then tell me what your problem is with Biodun

My nigga,

Im sat here spinning...

Imagine a nigga saying this

donjazet:


Well Dayo, I'm not a religious person, I'm agnostic so I will not call myself a "child of God ".


Concerning Sex, I love sex the thing is, I only have sex with my girlfriends at the time, sex is beautiful when done with someone you're emotionally attached to at the moment. The few times I had sex with oloshos [/b]were terrible in my view, just thrustings, no emotion, it felt vapid, which is why I don't like illicit sex. I View anybody wey just wan choke prick into any hole that comes his way as a rabid animal.
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But also says this:

donjazet:



Why would a pastor who preaches from the pulpit be involved in sex scandals.
[b]The religion he represents demands monogamy and he pushes his members to do the same, not to have sex until marriage, and then he goes and betrays those principles and worse yet his members vociferously defend him blindly.
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I am DonJazet and i dont believe in the bible, but im angry that some who believes in the bible does the same thing i do.

Its wrong and he shouldnt do it because the book i dont believe in, says that the thing that we both do is wrong...but when i do it im right sha, because its my girlfriend.

hensben:
Abraham is Old Testament. Jesus Christ is now the standard for Christianity; one man, one woman things according to Jesus.

Oya bring out the verse where Jesus said one man one wife.

nihilistjnr:


Improper to who?

Who made you a religious authority to decide who is allowed multiple wives?

Solomon wrote at least 3 books in the bible that you read today, and built the greatesr temple in Jewish History - and he had 300 oloshos on the side.

Even here on Nairaland, many people don't reckon with what you say. Who are you to then challenge one of the guys who wrote the Bible?

And thats my point.

Nobody said you cant disagree with an opinion or point of view. But disagreement does not mean you are right.

Disagree and mind your business. Its when you disagree and insist that the other person is wrong that we will ask you what makes you right.

Nobody is the moral police. Mind your business.

At bolded, Jesus Christ did in the book of Matthew 19:4-5, also read John 8:28 and 1 Timothy 3:2-12. Now let me make things clear to you Bible is not the word of God, it contains the word of God. Also, Christian is not a religion, it is way of life. Pastors are Christians who teach against evil according to the word of God.

nihilistjnr:


Oya bring out the verse where Jesus said one man one wife.

Go read the Bible verses I posted.

hensben:
Abraham is Old Testament. Jesus Christ is now the standard for Christianity; one man, one woman things according to Jesus. Moreover, Abraham never had concubines, he remarried after the death of Sarah his first wife. He impregnated the maid and it was sarah’s Consent.

If Jesus is the standard, why are Christians getting married, Jesus never married neither did Paul who wrote most of the new testament books

What was Haggar to Abraham? Was she his wife?

Nihilist, you're an arrogant buffoon and and a perverted dimwit.
Simple grammar, you cannot understand!
Which part of HYPOCRISY dont you understand??

From the first day, I have been saying that my problem is with the pastors HYPOCRISY!

When a popular MARRIED pastor like himself preaches monogamy and faithfulness and is then found out to have been fornicating, your logic to just look away becomes perversed and stupid. If my relative is a member of that church, the person looks gullible and foolish or hypocritical for following such a figure.

I said I like sex, that's why you won't here me tell others not to do it, however, when I say I like it, I don't mean the abuse of sex, I see sex as a language of love and something that should be done between two matured individuals who are emotionally attached. Don't twist my words to fit your perverted context.

raumdeuter:


If Jesus is the standard, why are Christians getting married, Jesus never married neither did Paul who wrote most of the new testament books

Because it was Jesus choice not to marry not that he is against it. He even said it that you can decide to marry or decide not to. Marriage is necessary but not important.