I have refused to comment on this China crase, but since you've mentioned it. The so called chinese companies, how much do they pay their staff, what kind of staff welfare policies do they have, they are worse slave drivers. I am so against our partnership with China not being strategic, we need to keep them for what we need them for and importantly keep the Americans for what we need them for. I would rather work for Exxonmobil or Chevron than a Chinese oil company, the terms of service are miles apart.

McKren:

When people have invested so much money to site factories, business is booming, profit margin is high,

Government will periodically increase minimum wage little by little until it gets to world class standard. That is how it is done.

Why do most UK and US manufacturers produce in china? Cheap labour!!!!
And the country is better for it.

McKren:

It was not me who made the above comment.

Celebrating an Exxonmobil that lift's crude oil without refining them locally does not seem like being awake from sleep either.

Don't dig into anything. People like you have been conditioned to close their eyes to Truth and when truth comes in subtle forms it makes it easier for your ilk to deny it entirely.

buluti:

You have clearly contradicted your self, if the chinese has cheap labour why does he need to come to Nigeria. You have said the UK and US have chosen to sight their factories in China, so why should the chinese sight his factory in Nigeria, obviously for resources, then why should he pay you more than he pays his own citizen at home. Doesnt this also suggest that you are in competition with China as well.

When he knows your legal framework and enforcement is weaker than his own, he is not known to be of impeccable character, so how does your setting a minimum wage help [b]YOU. If his own values are almost as weak as ours in certain areas then who is gaining??[/b]

What are you on about, did you read my statement. I was talking of the partnership, the comparison using salaries was to highlight who's gaining in the relationship. Did we ask Exxon to refine. And come to think of it, comparing like for like Western firms are better. Please theres no arguement there, an american firm values its workforce, be it manufacturing, drilling or whatever.

buluti:

You have clearly contradicted your self, if the chinese has cheap labour why does he need to come to Nigeria. You have said the UK and US have chosen to sight their factories in China, so why should the chinese sight his factory in Nigeria, obviously for resources, then why should he pay you more than he pays his own citizen at home. Doesnt this also suggest that you are in competition with China as well.

What are you on about, did you read my statement. I was talking of the partnership, the comparison using salaries was to highlight who's gaining in the relationship. Did we ask Exxon to refine. And come to think of it, comparing like for like Western firms are better. Please theres no arguement there, an american firm values its workforce, be it manufacturing, drilling or whatever.

I-man:

There is something wholly laughable at the idea of a Nigerian mocking Japan.Is our nation any better than Japan?You don't have electricity,pipe-borne water,universal education. . . . . .and you are calling Japan capitalist slaves.

ayanfe:


Western development and maintaining development depends on African resources, Chinese [/b]manpower and [b]Western and Chinese manufacturing.

The Chinese strategy seems to be to use African resources, Chinese manpower and manufacturing , BUT to include African manpower and manufacturing power. [b]NOTE that china intends to CREATE industrial centers all over Africa, including Nigeria. [/b]WHEN did Western nations ever plan to create industrial centers in Nigeria/

ayanfe:

Whether Nigeria is an ant next to Japan, the topic is whether or not Africom in our around Nigeria is in our interest. With a dearth of logical points to counter the excellent decisions made by Nigeria to reject Africom, your indulgence in mockery is predictable.

I-man:

The premise of your posts is obviously wrong.Western development doesn't depend on African resources.Africa's share in global trade,and this includes the Arab North,is about 2%.Western trade with Africa is only a negligible part of the West's entire trade relations.

The key word here is "intends".This is mere sorcery.Nobody can say with any certainty what the Chinese actually intend to do.One point is however clear.The Chinese are driven by a realist and pragmatist approach.They do what is most economically feasible.

If industrial centres in Africa are economically viable,China will invest,if not,they won't.

But so will the rest of the world.Multi-national corporations invest where they are confident they will get adequate returns on their investment,those corporations might be Chinese or Western,its irrelevant which national origins they have.

So China does not engage in acts of altruism.It will only invest where it can make a return.Africa lacks an industrial base because the economic environment is harsh for the manufacturing industry.This has nothing to with outsiders.No outsider will come and fix our problems for us unless the business climate changes.

In the past,we had lots of partnerships with Western companies-Peugeout in Kaduna,Volkswagen,Steyr,Daimler,e.t.c.The first refinery in Nigeria was built by Shell.Most of these collapsed under a harsh operating environment. If this isn't addressed,don't expect China to build your imagined industrial centres.If it addressed,not only will China come in,but the whole world will come anyway rendering redundant,the suggestion that China offers some unique advantages in our quest for industralisation

ayanfe:

Deceptive statistics.

a) How much of those 2% is natural resources a.k.a African resources?

b) 98% is between who and who? Come on now. Besides "West to rest of developing world trade", the 98% also includes China to India, India to Malaysia, China to Middle East, China to Russia, South America to India, Russia to South America.

ayanfe:

There is NO competition with China.

I-man:

The unique selling point of developing nations is their low wages,that is also China's unique advantage,apart from a large domestic market.

doyin13:

The fact that they compete with us is further compounded by their almost miserly consumption. They hardly spend their moner. . .

I-man:

Ultimately,whether Africa industrialises or not depends on the policies adopted by African countries.It won't depend on the policies of outside powers.

buluti:

Gbam, you have said it all, for those looking for messiahs, nobody will build Nigeria for Nigeria. In short no one will help us if we don't force their hand.
You analogy on a commodity Africa is so real if we are not careful, the only thing the world will need us for is the so called commodities (Oil on top of the list).

Thread don turn to Chinese thread, from AFRICOM.

denex:

@I-man

you have started spreading complete and utter fallacies this early again? What goes on in your head when you spit these lies?

1) Africa's share of global trade is 2%. Do you forget that trade between African nations also exists? Have you all of a sudden forgotten the claim that Africa spends billions fighting wars annually? Is all that too not part of global trade? Do you not remember that Nigeria and most other African countries import almost all the finished goods they consume? Do you realise how many brand new automobiles were imported to Nigeria in 2007 by Toyota alone? Please get your facts straight and stop vomiting figures of ignorance.

2) China runs a dictatorship. Where do you get this kind of talk from? Must the Chinese Government build a Statue Of Liberty before you agree that they are under a democracy? I'm sure you have a very myopic definition of the word democracy, so let's hear it.

denex:

@I-man

you have started spreading complete and utter fallacies this early again? What goes on in your head when you spit these lies?

1) Africa's share of global trade is 2%. Do you forget that trade between African nations also exists? Have you all of a sudden forgotten the claim that Africa spends billions fighting wars annually? Is all that too not part of global trade? Do you not remember that Nigeria and most other African countries import almost all the finished goods they consume? Do you realise how many brand new automobiles were imported to Nigeria in 2007 by Toyota alone? Please get your facts straight and stop vomiting figures of ignorance.

skyone:

America will not spend their ceilings where there's no higher return of it. Every where there's american military base there's an interest that seals it up. i.e Germany, US has remain there since the end of 2nd world war to monitor any pro-german advances and to destroy their economy which they now succeeded somehow,

2) China runs a dictatorship. Where do you get this kind of talk from? Must the Chinese Government build a Statue Of Liberty before you agree that they are under a democracy? I'm sure you have a very myopic definition of the word democracy, so let's hear it.

skyone:

@Kobojunkie or garbage or whatever

I've read most of your posting and i've come to my conclusion that you are dying of ignorance. You have lost it when it comes to international politics, i advise you educate and broaden your horizon on this level.

America will not spend their ceilings where there's no higher return of it. Every where there's american military base there's an interest that seals it up. i.e Germany, US has remain there since the end of 2nd world war to monitor any pro-german advances and to destroy their economy which they've now succeeded somehow, as per middle-east, even my nephew knows why they are there, he was informed at his school here in Essex; they are simply there for [b](i) so called middle east peace, so that there will be easy trade of oil (ii) To monitor Russians and China of selling amunitions to the arabians. i can go on and on.[/b]

Now they want Nigeria, common open your mind and think, of course another crafty move, why not Togo, Senegal or Gambia. So stop doing alright sir for the American.

Nice one to Niger, we need economic empowerment not another demilitaryrized zone.