The Sinking Ship

"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but to us which are saved it is the power of God" (1 Cor. 1:18 The Evidence Bible)

Imagine for a moment that you are standing on a sea-shore gazing at a large ocean liner. The sun is shining. There is no wind and the sea is calm. To your amazement, about thirty people suddenly dive off the end of the ship and cling to a life boat.

You shake your head in disbelief at their foolishness. Then without warning. The great ocean liner strikes an iceberg and suddenly sinks, taking all on board with it.

Those who looked like fools in abandonning the ship were actually wise, and those who seemed wise by staying on board were, in truth, fools.

The world scoffs at those who abandon the ship of this world and cling to the lifeboat of the Saviour. But Christians know that this great pleasure-cruiser will eventually come into contact with the immovable iceberg of the Law of God, sink into hell . . . and take all those on board with it.

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The Sinking Ship

"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but to us which are saved it is the power of God" (1 Cor. 1:18 The Evidence Bible)

The Sinking Ship

Lifeboat, anyone?

OLAADEGBU: The Sinking Ship

"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but to us which are saved it is the power of God" (1 Cor. 1:18 The Evidence Bible)

Imagine for a moment that you are standing on a sea-shore gazing at a large ocean liner. The sun is shining. There is no wind and the sea is calm. To your amazement, about thirty people suddenly dive off the end of the ship and cling to a life boat.

You shake your head in disbelief at their foolishness. Then without warning. The great ocean liner strikes an iceberg and suddenly sinks, taking all on board with it.

Those who looked like fools in abandonning the ship were actually wise, and those who seemed wise by staying on board were, in truth, fools.

The world scoffs at those who abandon the ship of this world and cling to the lifeboat of the Saviour. But Christians know that this great pleasure-cruiser will eventually come into contact with the immovable iceberg of the Law of God, sink into hell . . . and take all those on board with it.

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the gospel of fear.
try harder

Logic Mind:

the gospel of fear.
try harder

No. To warn of hell is fearful but it is absolutely legit.

The Sinking Ship

"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Hebrews 10:31 The Evidence Bible)

In the late 1980s, TV commercials in the U.S. asked, "What goes through the mind of a driver who is not wearing a seat belt in a head - on collision?" Then they showed a crash dummy having its head crushed by a steering wheel in a collision, and said, "The steering wheel!" Those were scare tactics, but no one complained because they were legitimate scare tactics. That’s what happens in a head-on collision if you are foolish enough to not put on a seat belt. To warn of hell is fearful, but it is absolutely legitimate, because the Bible says that it is a fearful thing for a sinner to fall into the hands of the living God.

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imagine a doctor that tells you that you have to buy his cure for a disease that is ravaging everybody and you are willing to buy this drug thinking it will solve all your problem, but shortly after payment you discover that it was the same doctor who had earlier distributed the disease. how would you feel if you can prevent the disease when next the doctor trying to get everyone infected with this disease.

well here is the meaning of my parable,
the doctor = christianity
the disease = guilt (especially over unavoidable sins that are natural part of human nature)
the drug = salvation (from a make-believe hell that they convince you that you deserve to go)
the drug price = surrender of your mind to religious control
disease spread = indoctrinating beliefs from childhood
disease prevention = rational thinking and rejection of religious dogma



prevention is always better than cure

dont let anyone convince that you deserved to go hell

a true creator will not wickedly set up his own creatures this way

free your mind from religion and its poisonous dogma

The Sinking Ship

"You did cause judgment to be heard from heaven; the earth feared, and was still" (Psalm 76:8 The Evidence Bible)

The existence of hell and the surety of the judgment are not the claims of fallible man. The Bible is the source of the claim, and it is utterly infallible. When someone becomes a Christian, he is admitting that he was in the wrong, and that God is justified in His declarations that we have sinned against Him.

However, let’s surmise for a moment that there is no Judgment Day and no hell. That would mean that the Bible is a huge hoax, in which more than forty authors collaborated (over a period of 3,000 years) to produce a document revealing God’s character as "just." They portrayed Him as a just judge, who warned that He would eventually punish murderers, rapists, liars, thieves, adulterers, etc. Each of those writers (who professed to be godly) therefore bore false witness, transgressing the very commandments they claimed to be true.

It would mean that Jesus Christ was a liar, and that all the claims He made about the reality of judgment were there-fore false. It would also mean that He gave His life in vain, as did multitudes of martyrs who have given their lives for the cause of Christ. Add to that the thought that if there is no ultimate justice, it means that the Creator of all things is unjust—that He sees murder and rape and couldn’t care less, making Him worse than a corrupt human judge who refuses to bring criminals to justice.

Here’s the good news, though, if there is no hell: You won’t know a thing after you die. It will be the end. No heaven, no hell. Just nothing. You won’t even realise that it’s good news.

Here’s the bad news if the Bible is right and that there is eternal justice: You will find yourself standing before the judgment throne of a holy God, who has seen every sin you have ever committed. Think of it. A holy and perfect Creator has seen your thought-life and every secret sin you have ever committed. You have a multitude of sins, and God must by nature carry out justice. Ask Him to remind you of the sins of your youth. Ask Him to bring to remembrance your secret sexual sins, the lies, the gossip, and other idle words. You may have forgotten your past sins, but God hasn’t. Hell will be your just desert (exactly what you deserve), and you will have no one to blame but yourself. This is the claim of the Bible. If you don’t believe it, it is still true. It will still happen.

Yet, there is good news—incredibly good news. We deserve judgment, but God offers us mercy through the cross. He paid our fine so that we could leave the courtroom. He destroyed the power of the grave for all who obey Him. Simply obey the gospel, and live. By doing that you will find out for yourself that the gospel is indeed the "gospel truth." Jesus said that if you obey Him, you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free (see John 8:31,32).

Get on your knees today, confess and forsake your sins. Tell God you are truly sorry, then trust the Saviour as you would trust yourself to a parachute. Then you will find yourself in a terrible dilemma. You will know for certain that hell is a reality. When you get up the courage to warn people you care about, they will smile passively, and say, "Could you be wrong in your claims about Judgment Day and the existence of hell?"

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thank you very much @ least i sense that you cared genuinely for my soul

i have fully read you long post, and i hope you will take time to go through my own too:

here we go:

1. you said the existence of hell and the surety of the judgment are not the claims of fallible man. so you mean it is the claim of an infallible god. right?
is it the same god named Yahweh who commanded his worshippers to murder men women and children who worship any other non-Yahweh god. yet you claimed he created those people to grow up in cultures where Yahweh is not known as the Almighty. tell me how he is different from islamic Allah. infallible?

the same Yahweh allowed us to be born as a sinners, he didnt see what Lucifer, Adam and Eve will do beforehand. he allowed us to be born as sinners by default and the same god prepared hell fire for us and convinced us that we deserve to go there. infallible?

the same god provides no convincing evidence of himself, but sit down is his sky mansion and watch other gods stole his identity and yet he will still burn his own creatures forever in hell who are simply following the non-christian religion of their fathers just like you followed your father's religion, OLADEGBU, . is that infallible?

2. You based your faith on the bilbe, but the bible is nothing at all near infallible. if not for space, i can list all the contradictions and inconsistencies in the book purpoted to be written by an omniscient author, who inspired a lot people who actually come from the same country. of course books written by nigerians about nigerians/african gods will agree together but does that prove any vallidity?
check these verses to show the inconsistences in your so-called infallible book
http://ffrf.org/books/lfif/?t=contra

3. your belief about life after death is emotionally appealing and it is religion's way of dealing with injustice. but that not a proof of validity. any other thing can be invented to offer a sense of hope and not necessarily true.
the hard fact is that the world is full of injustice and nothing can be done about it. the fact that your god cannot do anything about it is valid proof that he is non-existent. millions of his followers pray to him and receives no answers. religion only offers false hope of a second non-existent life to its adherents. and even the hope is full of injustice. eg is it justice when a man who has lied, murdered r.aped, killed and done all sorts of wickedness only say a few sinners prayer few minutes before death and phew he goes to heaven. is that justice?
or when a man who faithfully followed his parent's religion like Buddhism, just like you are doing for christianity, he lived a good life, give to the poor, was a responsible husband and father suddenly dies found himself in eternal hell fire for not following a god of the Jews. is that justice?
torturing a living being whom you can easily destroy is the greatest act of injustice. the punishment (eternal torture) does not merit the crime (being un-bornagain christian) at all. no true creator will do this to his own creation; but christtian's mind has been skewed by this god to see nothing wrong with eternal punishment for eternity.

christians are quick to justify him by saying he is god and he can do what he likes. yes. that means he can go weird again and transform their heaven into hell overnight and nobody dares question him because he can do what he likes. ....



i can go on and on but let me see your responses to these first

cyrexx: ^^^^^
thank you very much @ least i sense that you cared genuinely for my soul

i have fully read you long post, and i hope you will take time to go through my own too:

here we go:

1. you said the existence of hell and the surety of the judgment are not the claims of fallible man. so you mean it is the claim of an infallible god. right?
is it the same god named Yahweh who commanded his worshippers to murder men women and children who worship any other non-Yahweh god. yet you claimed he created those people to grow up in cultures where Yahweh is not known as the Almighty. tell me how he is different from islamic Allah. infallible?

the same Yahweh allowed us to be born as a sinners, he didnt see what Lucifer, Adam and Eve will do beforehand. he allowed us to be born as sinners by default and the same god prepared hell fire for us and convinced us that we deserve to go there. infallible?

the same god provides no convincing evidence of himself, but sit down is his sky mansion and watch other gods stole his identity and yet he will still burn his own creatures forever in hell who are simply following the non-christian religion of their fathers just like you followed your father's religion, OLADEGBU, . is that infallible?

Let me tell you why you need a Saviour. Supposing you placed a dried leaf into the presence of fire, you will notice that the fire would consume the leaf whether the fire likes it or not. The fire must consume the dried leaf because of its very nature. Even if the fire didn't want to dispose of it, it must consume it because the nature of fire is diametrically opposed to the nature of the dried out leaf.

God in Hebrews 12:29 is described as a consuming fire and by His divine nature He must consume anything and everything that opposes His nature. This is why we must put on the Lord Jesus Christ as we would put on a parachute, or we would be consumed by the ever pure burning holiness of the uncreated Creator, the Almighty God.

cyrexx:

2. You based your faith on the bilbe, but the bible is nothing at all near infallible. if not for space, i can list all the contradictions and inconsistencies in the book purpoted to be written by an omniscient author, who inspired a lot people who actually come from the same country. of course books written by nigerians about nigerians/african gods will agree together but does that prove any vallidity?
check these verses to show the inconsistences in your so-called infallible book
http://ffrf.org/books/lfif/?t=contra

The supposed "contradiction" you posted are not contradictions but a snare to all skeptics. Believers are able to harmonise them.

The Bible has many seeming contradictions within its pages. For example, the four Gospels give four differing accounts as to what was written on the sign that hung on the cross. Matthew said, “This is Jesus the King of the Jews” (27:37). However, Mark contradicts that with “The King of the Jews” (15:26). Luke says something different: “This is the King of the Jews” (23:38 ), and John maintains that the sign said “Jesus of Nazareth the King of the Jews” (19:19).

Those who are looking for contradictions may therefore say, “See—the Bible is full of mistakes!” and choose to reject it entirely as being untrustworthy. However, those who trust God have no problem harmonizing the Gospels. There is no contradiction if the sign simply said, “This is Jesus of Nazareth the King of the Jews.”

The godly base their confidence on two truths: 1) “all Scripture is given by inspiration of God” (2 Timothy 3:16); and 2) an elementary rule of Scripture is that God has deliberately included seeming contradictions in His Word to “snare” the proud. He has “hidden” things from the “wise and prudent” and “revealed them to babes” (Luke 10:21), purposely choosing foolish things to confound the wise (1 Corinthians 1:27).

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cyrexx:

3. your belief about life after death is emotionally appealing and it is religion's way of dealing with injustice. but that not a proof of validity. any other thing can be invented to offer a sense of hope and not necessarily true.
the hard fact is that the world is full of injustice and nothing can be done about it. the fact that your god cannot do anything about it is valid proof that he is non-existent. millions of his followers pray to him and receives no answers. religion only offers false hope of a second non-existent life to its adherents. and even the hope is full of injustice. eg is it justice when a man who has lied, murdered r.aped, killed and done all sorts of wickedness only say a few sinners prayer few minutes before death and phew he goes to heaven. is that justice?
or when a man who faithfully followed his parent's religion like Buddhism, just like you are doing for christianity, he lived a good life, give to the poor, was a responsible husband and father suddenly dies found himself in eternal hell fire for not following a god of the Jews. is that justice?
torturing a living being whom you can easily destroy is the greatest act of injustice. the punishment (eternal torture) does not merit the crime (being un-bornagain christian) at all. no true creator will do this to his own creation; but christtian's mind has been skewed by this god to see nothing wrong with eternal punishment for eternity.

christians are quick to justify him by saying he is god and he can do what he likes. yes. that means he can go weird again and transform their heaven into hell overnight and nobody dares question him because he can do what he likes. ....



i can go on and on but let me see your responses to these first

The truth is that the price and punishment for our sins has been met in our Lord Jesus Christ. Don't let His mercy and grace be in vain over your life.

"For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open to their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil" (1 Peter 3:12 The Evidence Bible)

In Dr. Robert Morey’s book The New Atheism and the Erosion of Freedom, he talks with an atheist about this issue. The atheist assumes that everything is relative, and there are no absolutes (he is absolutely sure of that). Morey replies that the first thing an atheist must do is prove the existence of evil. By what process can an atheist identify evil? He must have a universal absolute to do so. Without an absolute reference point for "good" (which only God can provide), no one can identify what is good or evil. Thus without the existence of God, there is no "evil" or "good" in an absolute sense. Everything is relative. The problem of evil does not negate the existence of God. It actually requires it.

Many assume that because evil still exists today, God has not dealt with it. How can atheists assume that God has not already solved the problem of evil in such a way that neither His goodness nor omnipotence is limited? On what grounds do they limit what God can and cannot do to solve the problem? God has already solved the problem of evil. And He did it in a way in which He did not contradict His nature or the nature of man. We assume God will solve the problem of evil in one single act. But why can’t He deal with evil in a progressive way? Can’t He deal with it throughout time as we know it, and then bring it to the climax on the Day of Judgment?

God sent His Son to die on the cross in order to solve the problem of evil. Christ atoned for evil and secured the eventual removal of all evil from the earth. One day evil will be quarantined in one spot called "hell." Then there will be a perfect world devoid of all evil. If God declared that all evil would, at this moment, cease to exist, you and I and all of humanity would go up in a puff of smoke. Divine judgment demands that sin be punished.

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you basically ignored most of my statements

i have answers to everything you raised

i will address all your statements as soon as you address mine

once again

1. you said the existence of hell and the surety of the judgment are not the claims of fallible man. so you mean it is the claim of an infallible god. right?
is it the same god named Yahweh who commanded his worshippers to murder men women and children who worship any other non-Yahweh god. yet you claimed he created those people to grow up in cultures where Yahweh is not known as the Almighty. tell me how he is different from islamic Allah. infallible?

the same Yahweh allowed us to be born as a sinners, he didnt see what Lucifer, Adam and Eve will do beforehand. he allowed us to be born as sinners by default [/b]and the same god prepared hell fire for us and convinced us that we [b]deserve to go there. infallible?

the same god provides no convincing evidence of himself, but sit down is his sky mansion and watch other gods stole his identity and yet he will still burn his own creatures forever in hell who are simply following the non-christian religion of their fathers just like you followed your father's religion, OLADEGBU, . is that infallible?


2. those bible contradictions cannot be harmonised. you have not read it that's why you said this. read everything and try to harmonise them. once again, the bible is not a reliable book.


3. your belief about life after death is emotionally appealing and it is religion's way of dealing with injustice. but that not a proof of validity. any other thing can be invented to offer a sense of hope and not necessarily true.
the hard fact is that the world is full of injustice and nothing can be done about it. the fact that your god cannot do anything about it is valid proof that he is non-existent. millions of his followers pray to him and receives no answers.

religion only offers false hope of a second non-existent life to its adherents. and even the hope is full of injustice. eg is it justice when a man who has lied, murdered r.aped, killed and done all sorts of wickedness only say a few sinners prayer few minutes before death and phew he goes to heaven. is that justice?

or when a man who faithfully followed his parent's religion like Buddhism, just like you are doing for christianity, he lived a good life, give to the poor, was a responsible husband and father suddenly dies found himself in eternal hell fire for not following a god of the Jews. is that justice?

torturing a living being whom you can easily destroy is the greatest act of injustice. the punishment (eternal torture) does not merit the crime (being un-bornagain christian) at all. no true creator will do this to his own creation; but christtian's mind has been skewed by this god to see nothing wrong with eternal punishment for eternity.

christians are quick to justify him by saying he is god and he can do what he likes. yes. that means he can go weird again and transform their heaven into hell overnight and nobody dares question him because he can do what he likes. ....

such a god is made up by men. simple and plain





and by the way, can you speak your own original mind for once and stop this copy and paste from livingwater.com, you are smarter than this.

cyrexx: ^^^^
you basically ignored most of my statements

i have answers to everything you raised

i will address all your statements as soon as you address mine

once again

1. you said the existence of hell and the surety of the judgment are not the claims of fallible man. so you mean it is the claim of an infallible god. right?
is it the same god named Yahweh who commanded his worshippers to murder men women and children who worship any other non-Yahweh god. yet you claimed he created those people to grow up in cultures where Yahweh is not known as the Almighty. tell me how he is different from islamic Allah. infallible?

the same Yahweh allowed us to be born as a sinners, he didnt see what Lucifer, Adam and Eve will do beforehand. he allowed us to be born as sinners by default and the same god prepared hell fire for us and convinced us that we deserve to go there. infallible?

the same god provides no convincing evidence of himself, but sit down is his sky mansion and watch other gods stole his identity and yet he will still burn his own creatures forever in hell who are simply following the non-christian religion of their fathers just like you followed your father's religion, OLADEGBU, . is that infallible?

"And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter" (Revelation 8:11 The Evidence Bible).

God didn't confine His wrath to OT folks such as the Caananites or those mentioned in the verse above who didn't worship God. He proclaimed the death sentence on the whole of the human race. We will all die because we have broken God's Law. Every one of us is waiting on death row. Instead of you standing in moral judgment over the Almighty God, we need to first of all judge ourselves according to the Moral Law of God and only then will we find out that we have a multitude of sins and therefore are deserving of punishment.

Yet God, out of love, paid the penalty for our sin so we would not have to.

cyrexx:

2. those bible contradictions cannot be harmonised. you have not read it that's why you said this. read everything and try to harmonise them. once again, the bible is not a reliable book.

It will be helpful if you can be specific as to what supposed contradiction you are going on about?

cyrexx:

3. your belief about life after death is emotionally appealing and it is religion's way of dealing with injustice. but that not a proof of validity. any other thing can be invented to offer a sense of hope and not necessarily true.

the hard fact is that the world is full of injustice and nothing can be done about it. the fact that your god cannot do anything about it is valid proof that he is non-existent. millions of his followers pray to him and receives no answers. religion only offers false hope of a second non-existent life to its adherents. and even the hope is full of injustice. eg is it justice when a man who has lied, murdered r.aped, killed and done all sorts of wickedness only say a few sinners prayer few minutes before death and phew he goes to heaven. is that justice?
or when a man who faithfully followed his parent's religion like Buddhism, just like you are doing for christianity, he lived a good life, give to the poor, was a responsible husband and father suddenly dies found himself in eternal hell fire for not following a god of the Jews. is that justice?
torturing a living being whom you can easily destroy is the greatest act of injustice. the punishment (eternal torture) does not merit the crime (being un-bornagain christian) at all. no true creator will do this to his own creation; but christtian's mind has been skewed by this god to see nothing wrong with eternal punishment for eternity.

christians are quick to justify him by saying he is god and he can do what he likes. yes. that means he can go weird again and transform their heaven into hell overnight and nobody dares question him because he can do what he likes. ....

Even though I have responded to this challenge of yours but let me tackle it from another perspective. The Bible says that:

"For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God" (Romans 10:3 The Evidence Bible).

Different religions have different ways of attempting to rid their adherents of sin and its consequences or what you deem as injustice. They have learnt or brought up to fast, pray, deny themselves of legitimate pleasures, or chasten themselves, often to a point of inflicting pain. They do this because they have a concept of what they think God (or "the gods" is like, so they seek to establish their own righteousness, being "ignorant of God’s righteousness."

The Good News of the Christian faith is that no one need suffer the pains of religious works. Christ’s blood can cleanse our conscience from the "dead works" of religion (Hebrews 9:14).

Jesus took our punishment upon Himself, and He is the only One who can save us from sin and death. And that is the Justice of God played out at the same time being Merciful. See Acts 4:12 and John 14:6.

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all your copy and paste from livingwaters.com has not addressed my points.

you can continue this and avoid what i said. but that does not mean that your statements are true or that the bible is reliable.
http://ffrf.org/books/lfif/?t=contra

you are just following your parent's religion while thinking that those who followed other religion will go to hell. that is nothing but myopic bigotry

nuff said

cyrexx: ^^^

all your copy and paste from livingwaters.com has not addressed my points.

you can continue this and avoid what i said. but that does not mean that your statements are true or that the bible is reliable.
http://ffrf.org/books/lfif/?t=contra

you are just following your parent's religion while thinking that those who followed other religion will go to hell. that is nothing but myopic bigotry

nuff said

Maybe you have to clearly outline your points if you want me to address them specifically, not just direct me to a website.

cyrexx: ^^^

all your copy and paste from livingwaters.com has not addressed my points.

you can continue this and avoid what i said. but that does not mean that your statements are true or that the bible is reliable.
http://ffrf.org/books/lfif/?t=contra

you are just following your parent's religion while thinking that those who followed other religion will go to hell. that is nothing but myopic bigotry

nuff said

Look, I think you are absolutely right.
But Olaadegbu is a good guy. Perhaps he put too much emphasis to the point where it ceases to reason, but he is a good person ...

I know he is a good guy and i acknowledged his sincerity.

but religious dogma can twist one's sense of right and wrong

e.g. while trying to defend Yahweh, he sees nothing wrong with eternal torture and genocide just exactly like the muslims with islamic religious dogma sees nothing wrong killing a fellow man for their Allah.

my mission is to expose and denounce dangerous religious dogma wherever i could.

cyrexx:

I know he is a good guy and i acknowledged his sincerity.

but religious dogma can twist one's sense of right and wrong

e.g. while trying to defend Yahweh, he sees nothing wrong with eternal torture and genocide just exactly like the muslims with islamic religious dogma sees nothing wrong killing a fellow man for their Allah.

my mission is to expose and denounce dangerous religious dogma wherever i could.

Which religious dogma have I not attempted to explain? Can you post one question at a time so that we can tackle it, especially on your supposed contradictions of the Bible?

OLAADEGBU:

Which religious dogma have I not attempted to explain? Can you post one question at a time so that we can tackle it, especially on your supposed contradictions of the Bible?

are you ready for this without quitting along the way?

if you are lets start with this


Who was Joseph's father?

Matthew 1:16 "And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus."
vs.

Luke 3:23 "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli."

Dear friend.
We talked about that. You remember him?
Remember when I explained that the Old Testament god demanded sacrifices of virgins and children he killed almost all of humanity with the flood, he commanded completely devastate villages, which he spread plagues upon his "beloved" people. ..
Is this Good the synthesis of perfection and goodness?
The God of the New Testament and Jesus' words have nothing to do with the other god.
Perhaps that is the largest Bible contradiction.

I send a heartfelt hug

cyrexx:


are you ready for this without quitting along the way?

if you are lets start with this

I don't guarantee to have all the answers, and if I don't I believe other brethren will help out, but will you be convinced, convicted and converted if you have your questions answered?

cyrexx:

Who was Joseph's father?

Matthew 1:16 "And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus."
vs.

Luke 3:23 "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli."

This kind of question drives home the point that God has hidden things from the "wise and prudent" and "revealed them to babes" (Luke 10:21).

The different genealogies of our Lord Jesus Christ that you have up there are not "errors". Dr. Luke gave the maternal genealogy of the Messiah while Matthew gave the paternal genealogy.

So you can see how God has purposely chosen the foolish things to confound the wise (1 Corinthians 1:27).

OLAADEGBU:

I don't guarantee to have all the answers, and if I don't I believe other brethren will help out, but will you be convinced, convicted and converted if you have your questions answered?




This kind of question drives home the point that God has hidden things from the "wise and prudent" and "revealed them to babes" (Luke 10:21).

The different genealogies of our Lord Jesus Christ that you have up there are not "errors". Dr. Luke gave the maternal genealogy of the Messiah while Matthew gave the paternal genealogy.

So you can see how God has purposely chosen the foolish things to confound the wise (1 Corinthians 1:27).

LIES LIES LIES

you would even lie to defend your god.

the passage was clearly talking Joseph, not Mary.

plus you know that in those days, women's genealogies are not reckoned with.

when people lie, you condemn them to hell, but when you lied for your god you think you are helpling him

this brings me to the 2nd and 3rd question

2. Should we tell lies?

Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness."
Proverbs 12:22 "Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord."
vs.

I Kings 22:23 "The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee."
II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie."
Also, compare Joshua 2:4-6 with James 2:25.

3. Does God change his mind?

Malachi 3:6 "For I am the Lord; I change not."
Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent."
Ezekiel 24:14 "I the Lord have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent."
James 1:17 " . . . the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning."
vs.

Exodus 32:14 "And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people."
Genesis 6:6,7 "And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth . . . And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth . . . for it repenteth me that I have made him."
Jonah 3:10 ". . . and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."
See also II Kings 20:1-7, Numbers 16:20-35, Numbers 16:44-50.

See Genesis 18:23-33, where Abraham gets God to change his mind about the minimum number of righteous people in Sodom required to avoid destruction, bargaining down from fifty to ten. (An omniscient God must have known that he was playing with Abraham's hopes for mercy--he destroyed the city anyway.)

cyrexx:


LIES LIES LIES

you would even lie to defend your god.

the passage was clearly talking Joseph, not Mary.

plus you know that in those days, women's genealogies are not reckoned with.

when people lie, you condemn them to hell, but when you lied for your god you think you are helpling him

this brings me to the 2nd and 3rd question

This attitude does not show that you are prepared to learn with an open mind. Instead of you to ask me how I came to that conclusion you started claiming that they were lies. If your mind is already made up that the bible is corrupt don't let me disturb you with the facts.

OLAADEGBU:

This attitude does not show that you are prepared to learn with an open mind be dogmatically brainwashed without understanding the facts. Instead of you to ask me how I came to that conclusion you started claiming that they were lies. If your mind is already made up that the bible is corrupt don't let me disturb you with the facts. more unfounded lies that does not prove anything

is not a lie that you say the bible was talking about Mary when IT WAS CLEARLY WRITTEN that it was Joseph?

cyrexx:

is not a lie that you say the bible was talking about Mary when IT WAS CLEARLY WRITTEN that it was Joseph?

This response of yours reminds me of an illustration that typifies those who jump to conclusions when they don't have all the necessary information because they don't ask the right questions.

If I were to tell you some things about my father that will make him look bad I can say that, "He regularly left my mother to fend for herself. that I was once horrified to hear that he deliberately killed a helpless animal. Not only that, but he hit me (often)". If you were to go away with that information you will likely jump to the conclusion that my father was a bad man.

But here is the information that I missed out:

The reason he left my mother during the day was to work to earn some money to take care of her and my siblings. The reason why he killed the animal was because it had been run over by a car and was suffering. He regularly chastened me because he loved me enough so as to teach me right from wrong because I was stubborn.

I said that to say that portions of the Bible that "make God look bad" merely reveal that we lack understanding, not seeing the whole picture. I never once questioned my dad’s integrity, because I trusted him.

Jesus said:

"Verily I say to you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein" (Mark 10:15).

Nice try
but your copy and paste material written to address the wickedness of Yahweh in the O.T.
Search for another website to copy that will address the 3 bible contradictions i posted earlier. I still have many many more to post.
But i guess you will shy away from them. I fully understand if you dont want me to post the rest. Its ok. No lele

cyrexx:

Nice try
but your copy and paste material written to address the wickedness of Yahweh in the O.T.
Search for another website to copy that will address the 3 bible contradictions i posted earlier. I still have many many more to post.
But i guess you will shy away from them. I fully understand if you dont want me to post the rest. Its ok. No lele

You still don't get it.

Who is sinking here?

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Aggressive atheist evangelism

Imagine for a moment that you are standing on the seashore gazing at a large ocean liner. The sun is shining. There is no wind and the sea is calm. To your amazement, about thirty people suddenly dive off the end of the ship and cling to a lifeboat. You shake your head in disbelief at their foolishness. Then without warning, the great ocean liner strikes an iceberg and suddenly sinks, taking all on board with it. Those who looked like fools in abandoning the ship were actually wise, and those who seemed wise by staying on board were, in truth, fools.

The world scoffs at those who abandon the ship of this world and cling to the lifeboat of the Saviour. But Christians know that this great pleasure-cruiser will eventually come into contact with the immovable iceberg of the Law of God, sink into hell . . . and take all those on board with it.

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cyrexx:

imagine a doctor that tells you that you have to buy his cure for a disease that is ravaging everybody and you are willing to buy this drug thinking it will solve all your problem, but shortly after payment you discover that it was the same doctor who had earlier distributed the disease. how would you feel if you can prevent the disease when next the doctor trying to get everyone infected with this disease.

well here is the meaning of my parable,
the doctor = christianity
the disease = guilt (especially over unavoidable sins that are natural part of human nature)
the drug = salvation (from a make-believe hell that they convince you that you deserve to go)
the drug price = surrender of your mind to religious control
disease spread = indoctrinating beliefs from childhood
disease prevention = rational thinking and rejection of religious dogma



prevention is always better than cure

dont let anyone convince that you deserved to go hell

a true creator will not wickedly set up his own creatures this way

free your mind from religion and its poisonous dogma

It is too late to prevent sin, we were all born into it due to our first parents. It is your choice if you want to walk free or not, all we can do is to plead with you to make the right decision.