Delafruita:
authoritative figure in the broad sense isnt necessarily god or a diety or a religion.it includes parents,teachers,friends,adversaries,girlfriends,etc.in that sense,everybody learns from an authoritative figure

MacDaddy01:


Heroism/self-scarifice do not serve any self interest? You wouldnt protect your children with your life?

mkmyers45: morality bieng innate? I dont understand..

Pastor AIO:
so we can ask now, How much of an authority is Conscience and Why so?

buzugee: yes morality is innate. however there are people who are created with satanic spirits who are amongst us. these people are used by the lord to wreak vengeance on people. these have no innate morality.

ecclesiasticus 39 vs 28 There be spirits that are created for vengeance, which in their fury lay on sore strokes; in the time of destruction they pour out their force, and appease the wrath of him that made them.

jeffrey dahmer ? he was one of those kind of spirits. he was targeting homosexuals.

leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

the lord is terrible PSALAMS 47 VS 2 For the LORD most high is terrible

HE HAS PEOPLE ON EARTH WITH NO MORALITY FOR VENGEANCE AND EVIL

PROVERBS 16 VS 4 The LORD has made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

mkmyers45: the wicked who are doomed to hell?

frosbel: Atheism is by definition a no God existence, but there still resides within these ingrates that gift of conscience and awareness of right or wrong , therefore it is not unusual to see some of these creatures exhibit some flashes of goodness from time to time.

However , when a state is founded on atheist ideologies like Maoism and Stalinism, what we have is a pretty much 'lawless' society where human life is devalued and morality becomes a relative term.

Just look at Russia and the effect of decades of atheism, Vodka addiction, violence, the most horrendous kind of racism and gross intolerance for the ideas for a democratic society.


Atheists without Christ are a lost cause and of all men to be the most pitied.

Only Christ can deliver them from their almost seemingly impenetrable blindness.

This is harsh but true.

Kay 17:

Atheism is simple. Disbelief in Gods (supernatural). It doesn't come with a code of ethics package, its doesn't define a way of life, it doesn't prescribe an ideology.

As a result, you can't blame atheism for moral deficiencies.

My morals are in line with those of humanism, which is more comprehensive than atheism.

Kay 17:

Atheism is simple. Disbelief in Gods (supernatural). It doesn't come with a code of ethics package, its doesn't define a way of life, it doesn't prescribe an ideology.

As a result, you can't blame atheism for moral deficiencies.

My morals are in line with those of humanism, which is more comprehensive than atheism.

mkmyers45: Russian state system is gosateizm not atheism as it based on marxism-leninism.

Delafruita:
you intend to lump fascism and communism into the same category as atheism.thats wrong.besides since the fall of the soviet union and introduction of democracy,russia has fared better
nigeria with all our Godism,how far have we gone?

frosbel:


Mate , Marxism is atheism period , just another more developed brand of the same ideology and mindset.

frosbel:

Well I could also say that you intend to lump the[b] crusades into the same category as Christianity, [/b]let us not go down this route , there will be no winners.

However some of the most evil and tyrannical nations to exist were founded by atheists who practised Marxism and or Leninism.

Basically , these guys did not believe in a GOD, thought they had all the answers, instead they destroyed lives and made a mockery of the human intelligence.

frosbel:

Well I could also say that you intend to lump the crusades into the same category as Christianity, let us not go down this route , there will be no winners.

However some of the most evil and tyrannical nations to exist were founded by atheists who practised Marxism and or Leninism.

Basically , these guys did not believe in a GOD, thought they had all the answers, instead they destroyed lives and made a mockery of the human intelligence.

MacDaddy01:


Crusades is a part of christianity.

Zodiac61: Why don't you just ask the question you really want to ask - Is morality possible without god?
Yes it is.
I am amazed when christians and muslims cliam that their gods are the source of morality.
Have they ever read the bible or the koran?
Antone who reads both books objectively will come to the conclusion that the gods depicted therein anre immoral characters.

Avicenna:

Just keep wondering how this guy makes false assertions with a bold face. See what decades of religious brainwashing can do to a normal rational person.

Just look at Nigeria and the effect of decades of religiosity, corruption, alcohol addiction, religious violence, and the most horrendous kind of tribalism and gross intolerance of for the ideas of democratic society!

Learn to be objective. Communism not atheism caused those countries to be like that.

MacDaddy01:


Crusades is a part of christianity.

mkmyers45: Well, that part of church history can certainly not be erased..

frosbel: Atheism is by definition a no God existence, but there still resides within these ingrates that gift of conscience and awareness of right or wrong , therefore it is not unusual to see some of these creatures exhibit some flashes of goodness from time to time.

However , when a state is founded on atheist ideologies like Maoism and Stalinism, what we have is a pretty much 'lawless' society where human life is devalued and morality becomes a relative term.

Just look at Russia and the effect of decades of atheism, Vodka addiction, violence, the most horrendous kind of racism and gross intolerance for the ideas for a democratic society.


Atheists without Christ are a lost cause and of all men to be the most pitied.

Only Christ can deliver them from their almost seemingly impenetrable blindness.

This is harsh but true.

frosbel:

Neither can that of Stalinism be erased from atheism , lol.

frosbel:

Neither can that of Stalinism be erased from atheism , lol.

frosbel:

However some of the most evil and tyrannical nations to exist were founded by atheists who practised Marxism and or Leninism.

frosbel:


Not brainwashed at all with vague , unproven , impossible to decipher gibberish called evolution and other atheist ambiguous notions and ideas

I base my analysis on facts , well most of the time , anyway.



Our problems in Nigeria are caused by greed and corruption and to an extent militant ISLAM not religion generally.

Peaceful Muslims and Christians just want to get on with their lives like everyone else, but we are under the oppressive governance of selfish and greedy men, many of whom use religion as a guise to achieve wicked ends.

Indeed there is also an increase in the malpractice of Christianity. which is why we spend a substantial amount of time on this forum trying to direct people back to the BIBLE and not the personal interpretations or whims of Men.




Sorry in the case of Russia it was caused by the lack of GOD, communism destroyed not just the moral fabric of society , but also the worth and dignity of MAN .

And yes communism is state funded atheism - Fact.

mkmyers45: and the presence of God has not been destroying the moral fabric,worth and dignity of man? Give me a break...

frosbel:

The presence of GOD is what sustains the universe young man , the gravity, the life, the energy , we are simply beneficiaries of God's goodness and kindness.

The same breath that gives you life actually belongs to God and were he to withdraw it , all your noise and ill conceived notions will cease and perish forever.

Better give him glory now when you can see the blue sky, a time comes when we must all die and after that judgement.

No second chances, stop pushing your luck.

"Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire," says the LORD Almighty. "Not a root or a branch will be left to them." - Malachi 4:1

mkmyers45: You haven't answered my question..if marxism and stalinism is atheism then is rastafari/Lord's Resistance movement glorified christainity?

mkmyers45: Mr Frosbel answer this please

frosbel:

Of course not , they are not Christian by any stretch of the human imagination.