fellis: @Lagosshia, What is it with you? Can't people simply commend my post without having ulterior motives?


You didn't understand what I wrote there. I meant that there is both faith and logic involved in religion but faith plays a bigger part in keeping it thriving. Religion without any form of logic would be completely insane so I could not possibly have meant that.

It's always Shia Islam, Shia Islam, Shia Islam with you.
Why did you pick out Shia Islam when you wanted to speak against what I said? Why didn't you defend the generality of Muslims? Are non-shia Muslims not also Muslims and therefore your brothers? Do they not also follow the Sharia which you used to buttress your point? You could have said the concept of faith without logic is wrong in Islam, rather than bringing Shia into the matter.
I really don't intend to cause any offense with this post so please don't take offense.
Peace.

fellis: I'm sorry, I don't have time to go through all those letters/links; I have studies to attend to. But keep the following Qur'anic verses in mind. They talk about forming divisions and sects.
Qur'an 3:103
Qur'an 3:105
Qur'an 6:159

Peace and love.

LagosShia:

you can find time to read it.it took me a week to read and comprehend the entire book when i first attempted to read it.if you do,good for you.if not,next time you talk ignorance your apology not to offend me would not be acceptable.we go fight

LagosShia:

please review:

vedaxcool:

Truly, it only confirmed my statement "the intellect" was missing in all the crap u wrote, and I think if u were told that one carrying poo on his head is part of ur deen u would find an "intellectual justification for such absurdities! Beating oneself lightly or harshly makes no sense, Husayn couldn't have lived past the day Allah set for him besides many muslims died on the path of Islam beating oneself over Husayn's death makes a mockery of his death, as the intellectual muslim response to such issue to learn the lesson and as such live the lesson not engage in senseless beating and wailing that reduces religion into a body of absurd practices!

fellis:
So what? I'm supposed to also dedicate an entire week of my life to reading the book?
I will read neither the letters nor the links and I will continue to speak against forming divisions in Islam, something even the Qur'an does.
If you like fight me.
I'm not scared of whatever Shia wrath you are planning to unleash on me.

vedaxcool: It is beneath Allah's majesty to move a rock! Period! And just because u r too unsound to think and draw the right conclusions will not invalidate that fact!

LagosShia:

you really need to seek medical care. so even when i presented explanations and another a fatwa for people not to hurt themselves,now you are still talking as if i supported that.there is no one who beats himself.hitting oneself (which is done lightly on the chest or thigh for females) is a symbolic sign of mourning in Islam.and i can bring for you proof from your Sunni hadiths if you wish so and show you how your mother,Aisha use to hit herself when in mourning.

and please intellectual discussions are for intellectuals who can read and udnerstand the point of views of others without trying hard not leaving any stone unturned and any bad expression unused to make sure they impose their own one sided views and condemn everything others say.that is wahhabism and not Islam.in the other thread,tarawih is proven to you that the Prophet (sa) prohibited it in congregation.regardless of why he prohibited it,you should not pray in congregation if it is truly the Prophet (sa) you follow.but you insist to pray it in congregation because that is what you do and how you do and what you feel is right.at least if you cannot justify your beliefs and acts,respect the fact that others can think,reason and present explanations for what they say and do.

vedaxcool:

Lol! Still intellect is missing from the above! Remember I am not complaining about you slapping urself silly, I only pointed out it DOES NOT MAKE SENSENE . . . The fact that the crap u wrote made no sense is what I pointed too! Pls feel free to slapp urself, atleast it is the least price one can bear when following such a divisive path that teaches u insulting people's parents as a righteous act, while u are free to post ur response, the intellectual muslims will point to flawed thinking that they inherently contain! This nasibi never learn!

~Royal~:
How do i go about Joining Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood?

~Royal~:
How do i go about Joining Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood?

~Royal~:
How do i go about Joining Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood?

~Royal~:
How do i go about Joining Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood?

LagosShia:

recite with your lips and believe in your heart:

Ash-Hadu Al La Ilaha Il-Lal-lah,Wa Ash Hadu Anna Muhammad Rasulullah.

that means you believe there is no god except Allah (the Universal Unique One Unseen Almighty Creator of all) and that Muhammad is his messenger.

the above makes you a Muslim.there are other optional recitations you utter to testify to the truthfulness of Islam.you can see an example of a christian becoming (Shia) Muslim in the below video and how the ceremony was conducted :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31OtANUKJdQ

vedaxcool:

First step is to say the kalimatu shahada: the declaration of faith:
Ash-hadun alla ilaaha illallah
(I bear witness and attest that there is no god worthy of worship but the One God Allah (swt))

Wa ash-hadu anna Muhammad-ar- rasool ullaah
(I bear witness and attest that Muhammad (saaw) is the messenger of Allah (swt))

I will advise if there is a mosque close to where u live, u could introduce yourself to the Imam or any muslim there about your intentions so that u could be guided thru the rest of the process.

vedaxcool: I will advise if there is a mosque close to where u live, u could introduce yourself to the Imam or any muslim there about your intentions so that u could be guided thru the rest of the process.

LagosShia:

recite with your lips and believe in your heart:

Ash-Hadu Al La Ilaha Il-Lal-lah,Wa Ash Hadu Anna Muhammad Rasulullah.

that means you believe there is no god except Allah (the Universal Unique One Unseen Almighty Creator of all) and that Muhammad is his messenger.

the above makes you a Muslim.there are other optional recitations you utter to testify to the truthfulness of Islam.you can see an example of a christian becoming (Shia) Muslim in the below video and how the ceremony was conducted (with all the recitations botht the above stated and the supplementary ones) :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31OtANUKJdQ

vedaxcool:

First step is to say the kalimatu shahada: the declaration of faith:
Ash-hadun alla ilaaha illallah
(I bear witness and attest that there is no god worthy of worship but the One God Allah (swt))

Wa ash-hadu anna Muhammad-ar- rasool ullaah
(I bear witness and attest that Muhammad (saaw) is the messenger of Allah (swt))

I will advise if there is a mosque close to where u live, u could introduce yourself to the Imam or any muslim there about your intentions so that u could be guided thru the rest of the process.

I appreciate this.

vedaxcool:

First step is to say the kalimatu shahada: the declaration of faith:
Ash-hadun alla ilaaha illallah
(I bear witness and attest that there is no god worthy of worship but the One God Allah (swt))

Wa ash-hadu anna Muhammad-ar- rasool ullaah
(I bear witness and attest that Muhammad (saaw) is the messenger of Allah (swt))

I will advise if there is a mosque close to where u live, u could introduce yourself to the Imam or any muslim there about your intentions so that u could be guided thru the rest of the process.

~Royal~:




I appreciate this.

LagosShia:

lol

you really made me burst into laughter there.

well,i did not use 24/7 to read the book.perhaps it could take you less than a week or more.

i am not either in favor of divisions in Islam.Islam supports uniting around the truth.but Islam does not support unity around falsehood.if unity means supporting falsehood then such unity is against Islam.by what i am propagating i only wish to propagate what i believe,understand,support and can explain is the truth.

also,it is in the spirit of Islam to acquire knowledge.so regardless what you believe or think,there is definitely no harm to acquire knowledge.

fellis:
Lagosshia, The verse of the Quran says we should avoid forming sects or face a dreadful penalty.

Qur'an 3:105 "Be not like those who are divided amongst themselves and fall into disputations after receiving Clear signs; for them is a dreadful penalty.

The thing about any large group of human beings is that there will most definitely be people in that group that would want to deviate from the established norms or that would want to interprete those norms in ways that are pleasing to them instead of following what they are told.

Similar thing in Islam. There will be people that want to do as they please and what is not considered proper in the religion. What you should do is avoid them in doing those things you think are wrong, you don't have to brand yourself and others that share your views as members of any sect. You can do what you think is right without creating sects.

For instance some Muslims claim that killing non-Muslims was stipulated in the Qur'an and I don't agree with them. I can simply acknowledge that I don't support their falsehood or their wrong beliefs, I wouldn't have to start forming a brand new sect (The Non-Boko Haram Muslims sect) to make sure I am not one of them.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Just do what is right and free your mind of sectarian thoughts.

Logicbwoy: Maclatunji, how can you ban me? How?


Your friends are derailing my thread with dawah and talk of muslim sects.....are these things related to the topic?


And I am the one getting banned for my comments? Kai.


(cheers01 got banned)