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Roland17:
Fam just stop it already. In Lillard’s final 2 season with the Blazers he had a 120 defensive rating and averaged between 117-120 the prior years, which puts his closer to top 50 than he is outside the top 40 now.

Malik Beasley was between 115-118 in the last 3 years, which puts him outside the top 40! Were those also part of defensive schemes? Both players are who they are in the league.. full liabilities and their respective careers say so!

Chastising is a generous word to use and doesn’t describe what happened in that instance. Players recommend plays and that isn’t a new thing. We have seen players draw offensive and defensive plays during timeouts so this isn’t anything historic/ novel or makes any case for your argument.

One would think you're revealing highly classified KGB information here

Is there anyone unaware of Lillard or Beasley's shortcomings on defense. You can't walk and chew gum at the same time or two things cannot be true?

So what now is the job of the coach? To throw his hands up and give up or fix it abi wetin you dey argue sef.

If he cannot drive marked improvement what is now his use? Does Ime Udoka have two heads? Even if you want to argue the Rockets are a younger team, defense is still a mindset and a market you must sell to your players. We have no evidence this is the case with Griffin

Lmaoo. Funny of you to downplay players openly questioning their coach mid game. Wo I no get talk for you jare. You're deadset on villainizing Giannis. Fire down

This Orlando Magic go worry people this season oh. They make you work every play every game

What's happening with Josh Giddey? E be like these players na the weapon fashioned against themselves

Considering he's actually only 21 why not just find one 18 or 19 year old girl, some people will still cry about this but at least you're legally straight

Roland17:
Incase you have forgotten so quick, let me be the first to remind you that the Bucks suffered a gentleman sweep just 7 months ago. I reiterate, the only stud defensively in that starting 5 is Giannis and the stats prove it. Lillard's defensive rating this season is 118.4 which places him outside the top 40. Malik Beasley is 118.1, also outside the top 40! 2 players outside the top 40 are your starting guards in the NBA, what else do you need to know! Kris Middleton is 116.2. So I am absolutely without any doubts correct that they have too many liabilities in the starting 5.

The stats also show the Bucks are placed 3rd in the EF with a 10-5 record, were tied for 2nd place before the loss to my Celtics. The Bucks are also top 5 in offensive rating and outside the top 5 in defensive rating, 7th and just a few points near 8-10th place. These stats absolutely make my point that they have a defensive issue and it is associated with the changes on their roster.

Giannis is outside the top 10 offensive rating for individual players, outside top 5 for player impact, ranked 10th in rebounds, top 5 in points scored. What do these tell you again? All these point to the fact that their biggest issue is on defense and the liabilities they are now parading.

And not everyone is playing Monday morning QB because before the trade was made or even a possibility, I made a detailed post stating this is an old roster and that they needed a perennial AS caliber type of player to convince Giannis to stay. See below...

Brook Lopez is also a DPOY candidate. Unless you're talking about perimeter players then your argument is not entirely correct. And this gentleman sweep remember Giannis was missing for 2 of the losses and was injured midway into the 3rd loss so basically he only played fully in one loss

Secondly all these numbers you're quoting is also a function of their scheme. Griffin has made defensive liabilities look even worse. The Bucks problem was never on defense at least not in the regular season. I don't believe Jrue is the sole reason that was the case

I see you went mute on the article I posted on the Bucks player chastising their coach and strong arming him to change his tactics on defense when the first 5 games went disastrously.

The roster is what the roster is. They upgraded by getting Dame. Their major fvckup was not letting Middleton walk. But this season and this roster if Giannis is upset with it then he will also be culpable in it's failure what I know is Giannis is not a player with history of mutiny, if he's kicking against the guy he supported the Bucks to hire e go get why and maybe he's aware he will have no excuses which is why he's holding his coach and hopefully himself accountable

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/bucks-players-convinced-adrian-griffin-to-change-the-teams-defensive-approach-in-win-over-knicks/

This is from earlier in the season. Literally his players schooling him on the need to adjust their defense

Roland17:
Na bro! The Bucks are facing the consequences of a trade they made for Lillard and the reality that the roster is now old. Part of the reality of this trade is that the offense no longer runs through Giannis and that seems to be frustrating him as he can’t get into rhythm. That alone is an adjustment for Giannis. Also, late into the game, he is no longer the primary number called.

This Bucks roster, particularly the starting five as presently will struggle in the East, I mean, you are fielding Lillard/ Beasley at the top of the key and opponents are having a field day driving to the bucket and getting healthy fouls/ 2nd chance points, it has nothing to do with Adrian Griffin.

Even if you are frustrated, why show out your first year head coach like that? I mean, you were stinking up the joint, missing open buckets and getting in foul trouble, he calls a time out to have you sit for a few and you are throwing tantrums! Come on man!

Worsestill, post game, Griffin played down the spat as absolutely nothing but Giannis when asked just used the word “No”, putting more fuel to the fire.
This roster is bad. Lopez is 35, he was 33 when they won a championship. Middleton has become glass footed and barely contributes anything defensively. So that leaves you with Giannis in the starting five because the remaining 4 are liabilities or now old.

Griffin is working with what Giannis requested for and that is the truth. Giannis should do better and stop with the nonsense, it is disrespectful and definitely not the way to approach this issue. They need to make a trade.

I think you're forgetting Giannis is a big reason Griffin was hired in the first place. Not excusing his insubordination but this can only come from a lack of belief in what the coach is trying to do. This never happened with Kidd (obviously he was younger and not a star) nor with Budenholzer for all his flaws.

The Lillard trade had to be made, I think the Bucks made the critical error of not moving off Khris Middleton. The flexibility they would have had getting him off their books would have gone a long way.

I don't think running the offense away from Giannis or not making him the primary scorer late and in close games is the issue here especially since we have already established he needs help there.

Suggesting the Bucks roster is bad now would be playing Monday Morning Quarterback. This was not the consensus going into the season. Dame not delivering consistently on offense and Khris Middleton looking washed are much bigger issues.

But we cannot sit here and pretend Adrian Griffin's coaching is not a problem. Defense is part personnel and part scheme. I'm not seeing anything schematically that suggests Adrian Griffin knows what he is doing out there. If you say he needs more time that's a fair argument but his coaching especially thus far has been atrocious. And Lillard is not a defensive liability enough for their defense to be that bad

Roland17:
Giannis has to allow Adrian Griffin do his job as coach and be coachable if he wants to win another championship. Also, Griffin has to hold his ground and draw boundaries as a young inexperienced coach otherwise he would absolutely lose the locker room.

Griffin should sit with Giannis and harsh what happened last night out. As coach, I called a timeout, made some subs that involved you, it is my call as coach, you may not like it but I called it!

It’s simple, no superstar player has won a championship without coaching. He has gotten his extension, Lillard and everything he has asked for, he just needs to calm down and allow Griffin do his job as coach.

We have seen superstar player go against their head coach openly like Butler/ Spoelstra, the difference is Spo is an experienced head but more importantly, Spo did not back down during the spat, you can’t do that. Phil never backed down from going at the GOAT when it got heated because as a coach you lose everything if you don’t draw the boundaries.

Do better Giannis.

I think it's more of a buy-in issue. When players are not buying in they're bound to question what you're doing. If we from the outside looking in are seeing that this Bucks team is not looking well coached how much more the players?

Griffin is an ex player himself which makes it even more damning

Hard to be coachable when a player does not feel you're giving him the information he needs to succeed. You can see what happened with Josh McDaniels and Raiders

See what happened with my Steelers and Matt Canada. Sometimes players can sense a coach way in over his head

chic2pimp:
I think Sporting stars In different sports should thank their lucky stars Straight Men(who make up the majority of their audience and people in power)are not as "Woke" as their women counterparts. If they were, it'll be curtains for a lot of careers.

In addition to what you said about KPJ, He is simply not as valuable as Miles so I don't see a way back for Him. His role as a sixth man volume scorer from the bench can be replaced compared to Miles's 3andD wing All star potential defence and offence.

But here's the kicker. Do we want to be emotional about these things or do we want to be practical? I'm not condoning his actions at all btw but if the fans or people in power were bussified males and women guess what it's still women that will suffer if they choose emotions over logic

When it comes to intimate partner issues if you end his career what happens to the quality of life of the kids and the woman. He is supposed to provide and protect right? How does he do that with his earning power drastically diminished.

I think the focus should be more on restraining orders. Keeping the mother and child out of harm's way while he keeps playing and supporting them financially. Do we want to be right or do we want to get it right? He was eligible for a 9 figure extension. That is generational wealth fumbled.

KPJ is a point guard actually. He's had his unstable issues before and was doing pretty ok in Houston. The gap in quality between him and Miles Bridges is really not that wide for him to be out of the league considering their offence is similar. I think he might have other personality issues that's keeping him outside the league along with his own partner violence

Anthony Davis did not score a bucket in the second half. I don't believe it. Yes they doubled him a lot but it's unbelievable still that this nigga did not score a point

Kyrie a different breed

Lmao at LeAlwaysMakeTheRightPlay.

CP3 must have boned Foster's wife, daughter or something cos this beef is ridiculous.

I'm sorry for bettors that had CP3 over. Might want to check who's officiating first

Hope Derrick Lively is ok. That looked nasty

Roland17:
A backcourt of Beasley/ Lillard na 3rd mainland bridge on Election Day. Opponents are attacking the top of their key and if they switch both players to the wings, they kick to the wing and drain an less contested 3 or the drive to the bucket continues.

They need to get some 3 and D stopper one way or the other else this Dame trade will have been for nought. I thought their interior would be their strong point but Lopez is like a glacier out there

Banchero and Wagner might be the new dynamic duo

And the Timberwolves. Seems like they're cooking something. Everyone thought the Gobert, Towns tandem was a bust, appears that was premature. They look like a really dangerous team and have beaten a lot of really good teams.

Petition for the Pacers, Hawks and Nets to play some defense. Some of these scorelines are pretty disgusting. I'm sorry what those teams are playing is not basketball

chic2pimp:
How did Miles Bridges survive His domestic violence case? I really thought the Violence against Women charities would have gotten His @$$ out the league.

NBA fans are woke but not woke enough. Plus he missed all of last season and then a 10 game suspension.

The tricky part with this DV thing is if the man is out the league your earnings as the woman will suffer. So you need to be 100percent certain that man will be put away and then you have to start from square 1. As it is he has already missed out on a massive payday.

Look at Kevin Porter Jr. Same wahala. The babe had to retract her whole accusation but it was too late plus we knew she was capping.

Lol the Celtics have the Bucks number. They're so much softer and less physical these days. I don't know that they beat the Heat or Celtics at this rate

I was going to talk about Banchero. You beat me to it. Arguably the most consistent young player in the league. Looking at him and Franz Wagner and I see all star potential

I don't see why they can't compete for a top 6 seed. Not like the East is that deep this year

birdman:
Man, you spot on. That ring satisfied him. Hard to feel sorry for my guy Lebron though - we were all jubilating when they got AD. Lebron was thinking dynasty. Oga just wanted LA weather

I don't know. Bron's legacy is set I think. We don't even know that he wins a ring with the Lakers if the pandemic didn't happen but I digress

I said it here many moons ago that joining Bron in his prime and accepting to be the #2 guy in mentality and play told me all I needed to know about AD. I'm called a hater cos I say the truth too early. On one hand Lebron can be notorious for hogging all the spotlight but when I see AD scoring 9pts going entire halves scoreless I know it's not even a skill issue anymore because it has never been easier to score in this league

afrodoc2:
Yes, i factored in the situation that is why i said Chet is more impactful. Remember when D.Book was scoring 50 -70 points with no impact early on in his career. Chet is in a situation to make a difference and because of that his impact will be more felt.

Concerning Pep, i have suspected he has lost it for a while. Outside leadership and authority it looks like the X and Os of this modern game dey elude am small.

Wemby is not even a gunner like Booker so it's going to be nigh impossible to get numbers like Book. I think Wemby's best bet is to focus more on the defensive end. Cos the way Spurs play they're filled with bench guys that think they are starters. They have no floor general and do not run any real plays for Wemby.

Pop I don't know maybe all those years of losing and middling has rotted his basketball nous. Since Kawhi left the truth is him pattern don cast.

Hummels back and Germany back to losing. Warra shocker

afrodoc2:
I was just about entering Uni when it came out. The thing send some people GP underground not to be heard of again. When we crossed over to medical school the thing squeeze some people academic destiny for hand like puff puff. The trick was it being a multi-player game , you can keep up to 4 students unserious at any point in time PLUS 4-6 who are watching the game and waiting for "set". That is potentially 10 students who are playing video games instead of reading their books. We had to beg the guy with the game to take it home and never bring it back cos we were all junkies. If the thing dey room we must play ni.

Lol those game na thief of time sha. GTA San Andreas I dey balance with am no food, no sleep I wan complete mission plus side mission.

PES worse if boys dey cos betting go involve. On a good day you can make as much as 10k. 10k circa 05/07 you know how much that is.

Golden Eye years boys dey thief money go play for game house. There's a place called Shadex where boys would go. Till we bought the game and started playing at home, then they sent me to boarding house and all that one ended

raumdeuter:
NA PS1 dey my time or shey na PS2 wey dem dey talk shootu, suruuu

I no sabi play but I have friends who got extra year because of it. Just put Roberto Carlo for front one side, Tijani Babangida for the other side. Matter don finish

The only game I no play na them Atari and Colecovision. Every other one we play even Familycom. No other thing I dey use my money do apart from saving for or buying video game.

But yeah 06 PES and GTA in uni days was a serious problem. Once you see Adriano for my lineup just dey sorry for your net especially them Winning 11 days

afrodoc2:
Mehn!
I know people who are not doctors today because of Golden Eye. It got to a point I will be sleeping and the soundtrack of the game would be playing in my dream. Na Ahura Mazda save the son of man.

PES and GTA San Andreas wan finish my life oh. We been dey play PES for money. Year 1 and Year 2 I doubt I dey sleep complete 3 hours for night

Me I no too sabi book normally but I don't think those games helped matters. Wild times

I still dey primary school when Golden Eye comot sha. We dey play Golden Eye, Killer Instinct, MK on top Snes

GloriousGbola:
I think what this comes down to is unless you grow up in a house with older teenagers or uncle and auntie in uni, the first music you will be introduced to is your parents music. My parents had abba and Diana Ross records. Also boney m. I can Def recite abbas super trouper, boney ms daddy cool.

In the same way my kids (the first two) are very familiar with 90s music because that's what they heard their dad playing. Their Playlist is very interesting though as they also listen to Ariana grande and Co. And somehow we introduced each other to some variants of nerdcore.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKdLLu0TT78?si=9kYjzLlnaw6Taxur

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC6S4ZE0FKo?si=NPWZszAaYGF6LQB6


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB04b2EaMVU?si=vTGIe2v_ZfSGJ_g3



To be honest everyone agrees the 90s is the real golden age of a lot of music. There was so much good material from that time. I am still unearthing songs.
Every once in a while I remember the lyrics of some old song and I Google it until I find it. Then I look for the high quality audio.

I remember watching one Grammy awards where lol Wayne performed. I was like finally, let me see what this guy is about. I saw some dude mumbling up and down on stage. Like wtf is this?

I will definitely agree growing up your parents musical library will influence your tastes. We had all the vinyls. Jimmy Cliff, Kenny Rogers, Obey and Sunny Ade. I been think say the man na DJ, Boney M (Rasputin was my best jam)

I had uncle's too that listened to Blackky, Alex O and all those guys I mostly discovered rap and hip hop thanks to them Keke and D1. And the rest is history

ChatGpt don scatter everything

AI na real problem moving forward. This is only the beginning. No need to write lyrics again

Emaprince:
I think you are making his point. As you grow older, you will revert back to the musics you grew up with. You won't be interested in contemporary musics anymore. So those music that was recorded before you were born are part of what you grew up with.

It's happening to me. These days I find myself loving and playing a lot of old Congolese musics which my pops was always binging on when we were kids. I have lots of fally ipupa though cos he can create something very similar to the 90s Congo musics. I'm not talking makosa o.

I've gone back to playing igbo gospel musics from likes of

Bro Okwey
Agape love
Voice of the cross
Patty Obasi
Etc etc
I heard their songs a lot as a kid, now it gives nostalgia..and refresh my memories back then.

My hip hop play lists are from 90s and early 2000s. I don't even watch sound city, MTV or whatever anymore.

Contemporary musics are everywhere you go, so you don't have to play it yourself to listen to them. This is how I get to know them. I don't have none of them on my Playlist except Davidos old musics when he was still hungry.

Not necessarily. I'm not a slave to era else I would not be jamming songs that came out before I was born. There's one or two songs from this era I can also tolerate but I'm just telling you the quality of music has progressively gotten worse across all genres.

I'm always laughing at Gen Z pretending like we Millennials are old grandpas. Like listen all this internet we started this shit. What do you know about Napster and Limewire? You're playing COD, We played MGS and Golden Eye. Na we go tell you as everything start cos we were both outside and inside

Me I listen to everything and it's not an age thing. I'm saying the music is just bad bar a few

DeadPresidents:
Nigga I was on some Anita Baker, Aretha Franklin and Patti Labelle for my evening study. Damn those women sing nicer than "please and thank you“

I also ran through the top HipHop albums of 1994-1998 and the quality of lyricism was mindblowingly good.

I think the streaming and Tik-Tok era has done irreversible damage to musical artistry. You don’t have to be able to build a base anymore to get paid. Just make music that goes viral on shorts

Lol. I cannot listen to the garbage put out today and I will not apologize for it.

A lot of those women were really good too the era you listed. The ones that came after them Sade, Mary J, Whitney, Janet Jackson etc.

These people had real talent. Even the ones that didn't write their lyrics were at least exceptionally good at singing while the frauds like Milli Vanilli were quickly exposed.

It's almost like more technology has made us lazy and worse stupid.

Roland17:
@A40 remember I told you the Nuggets lack of depth will be a big factor? They have been 3/3 since J. Murray went down. They are 24th in bench scoring this season which is troubling.

They lost to a Cavs team without Spyder and C. LeVert. C. Braun is still the only player on the bench they can offer anything.

I think Michael Malone does not trust his bench enough which begs the question why didn't you get guys in the offseason. You have to give your bench a longer leash, if you don't do it now then when? you allowed Jeff Green and Bruce Brown (unavoidable loss I get it) walk

Guys like Watson, Strawther, Nnaji. Give them more time to play and make mistakes.

Any lack of depth they face is self inflicted. They don't have backup for Jokic (2023 DeAndre Jordan doesn't count) and Cleveland with Mobley and Allen did a really good job on Jokic. I've not seen a team slow him down that well in quite sometime

GloriousGbola:
it simple means you are growing older

we all reach a point where we lock out 90% of contemporary music and focus on the music we listed to from age 12 to 30+ or so. anything after that is weird , not real music , 'whatever kids listen to these days '

But I listen to music that came out before I was born too. I have Commodores, Temptations, Earth Wind and Fire, Stevie Wonder, James Brown and Isley Brothers amongst many on my playlist.

The music today is garbage honestly. Bar a few. I actually feel bad for the kids growing up,

afrodoc2:
Wemby is foreign and exotic and once a narrative is started it is easier to lazily push it than reassess things.

At this early stage Chet is the better and more impactful player but let’s see how things progress. With Wemby’s potential, if things click for him later in the season things might get interesting.

It's deeper than that. Your situation also matters. Wemby's situation is not a particularly good one compared to Chet. This Spurs team is not set up to compensate Wemby's weaknesses. So I'm left wondering are the Spurs deliberately throwing these games or has Pop lost it.

Why the hell is a Jeremy Sochan a middling power forward playing PG.

Honestly they do not look like a team trying to win games. Almost like they are tanking for another lottery pick

budaatum:
I don't think they have any one good enough to replace him.

Ricciardo?

nihilistjnr:
Looks like Nate Dogg to me

Hmmm. E no resemble Nate for my eye sha