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This Celtics offense don knock like jalopy

Khanben:
Oga till Parker retired his jumper was suspect, his scoring ability was getting to the basket and that patented tear drop floater that he mastered from the paint. There is a reason he led the league in multiple years in points scored in the paint among guards.
Trae can already, score at the basket, he has a floater, he can shoot the 3 from anywhere, so tell me again what Tony had that he does not currently have.

Alaye all you're mentioning is aesthetics. The numbers do not back a single thing you have said there.

Anybody that ever watched Prime Tony Parker knows he was a much harder guy to stop than Trae Young

He can shoot the 3 from anywhere yen yen yen but is he remotely effective at it? You people conflate shot spamming for a skillset. 31% from 3 na him you no wan make we hear word

Grandpa Al Horford is bullying Brooklyn in the paint. Their lack of size is shocking

Khanben:
Oga, I remember watching kobe airballing a jumper. Did anybody kill him, these days a young player does 1 simple mistake he is railroaded as if he killed somebody.
As for the Simmons, jkidd could not shoot at all until after at least 10-12 years in the league and he was fine.
That is why I will always respect the older IT, he always talks about the organic development of a player and how it takes time before a player becomes the finished product.
Trae right now is already has more tools in his bag than Tony Parker did all through his career and he is just in him 4th year.

What are you talking about? Who is talking about missing shots? Anybody can miss shots! We are talking about not having counters to what the opposing defense is showing you.

Even after telling you I was speaking in generic terms you still chose to personalize it talking about IT. How is this relevant to anything? What have you seen from Ben Simmons and James Harden that tells you their game will change

Jason Kidd was not an elite shooter not that he didn't shoot at all so stop capping like internet no dey to easily debunk your claims

Imagine claiming Trae Young has more tools in his bag than Tony Parker. You people don't know more than spamming 3 pt shots. To una eye that is what constitutes tools. I'm sure you were one of those siding with James Harden that he had more bag than Giannis.
Just this statement alone makes me question your entire knowledge of the game

Khanben:
This is the issue I have with people like you, we all know how long it too the likes of Kobe, tmac, AI, grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Tony Parker, Jkidd etc to develop an all round game. Trea is just in his 4th season, some of the guys I listed above took almost a decade to get a jumper or fill up the holes in their games. so please stop this using every opportunity to bash these young guys. You keep making it sound like all the great players walked into the league as 3 level scorers and they did not work on anything year after year.

Why are you raging like a bull in a China shop. I was not referring to just Trae. I'm saying there are several players in this era that sit on that table. No be person be Harden? No be person be Ben Simmons?

Roland17:
You are right on the money and this is with some soft calls oh. I would add that the Hawks lucked their way through the play-in tournament by not playing any kind of defense and now, it has caught up to them badly because this Miami defense is stifling the life out of Trae and the Hawks.

Barring catastrophic injuries this should be a quick series. Miami has more shooters so they are better at what Trae does best. I struggle to see Atlanta winning more than a game

Roland17:
Trae needs to develop a jumper, I don't mean a floater, a real jumper around the bucket. The Heat are trapping Trae very high up which is forcing him to give up the ball and more importantly, it blocks his driving lane to even attempt his floaters.

That is why I laugh each time I hear this more skilled bants. They just spam a boatload of 3's and when it's not falling no plan B. That's why the shooting numbers are either amazing or look like tour dates. No happy middle ground

Roland17:
It will be one of the biggest travesties in the history of modern basketball if Jokic doesn't get a chance to play in the finals of the NBA playoffs. He becomes an UFA in 2023, he has chosen to stay silent until after the playoffs this season. He can sign the Supermax in the summer or leave. It would be interesting to see what he does because for such a talented superstar who is already 27, he is being sold short at Denver.

Really nothing he can do. His two best options are hurt. That would be like Embiid missing Maxey and Harden

Provided Murray makes a full recovery Denver is still the smart play

Khanben:
Oga, all that is just excuses. Kyrie personally decided not to play this season, nobody forced him to sit out. When it's all said and done the Lakers have a chip to show for the all in move, while the Nets and the Clippers have nothing to show for theirs

A Disney pandemic chip that even Lakers fans and non Bronsexuals no too rate

Khanben:
Both morant and Lamelo, still need learn how to play winning basketball. I liken their case to be like that of Booker before Monty and CP3 showed him the winning template and we can all see how he has run with it.
As a general observation, some of these organizations are not doing their young franchise cornerstones any favors. Look at the Grizzlies, Twolves and the Hornets and you will observe symptoms of the same issues.

The truth is very few teams have true old school points that can run the offense. What you have is combo guards who basically play the point nominally and due to size.

You can see the influence of CP3 and Jrue Holiday on their respective teams, Jrue is not CP3 level for instance but he's very much been an upgrade on Bledsoe. Giannis is handling the ball less and the WALL has been rendered ineffective against him

Disney ring

Khanben:
Baba, the KD and Kyrie project for the Nets is in its 3rd year. That's the fact, whether they've played together or not is not the issue as far as I know they've been on the payroll for 3 years and have been cashing them checks for those 3 years.
You are also claiming 3 years for the Lakers even thought most of those 108 appearances happened in the year they won the chip together and the other 2 seasons have been riddled with injuries for both AD and Lebron.

Don't be dubious. KD missed the entire season and Kyrie missed half of it. Adding the bubble season is dubious and dishonest. Same way adding Kawhi for the Clippers this season is dishonest. They did not play at all so it cannot possibly count

Lebron and AD - 108 games
KD and Kyrie - 44 games
Harden, KD and Kyrie - 16 games

There is not a season Lebron and AD did not play at least 20 games together. Same cannot be said for any other duo so your argument is inaccurate

Thanos:
Bro! Be factual. Ja sold this game. Is he an all star? Yes! Is he a highlight reel? Yes! But man, his decision making was piss poor in this game and how he managed to get 30+ points (alas, free throws) was beyond me. He is not a point guard in the sense of the word, someone that orchestrates and offence. He is more in the mould of Westbrook and we know the result of having your point guard playing in that manner.

Good that you can observe this. This is also what Lamelo is morphing into at this rate and is doing it worse than Morant so I'm surprised you missed it

Roland17:
Poor Jokic, the man is literarily carrying the Nuggets all by himself on both ends of the court. I have seen enough to award him my MVP for the regular season.

The man is surrounded by mediocrity. If you watched the box score for example you would think Will Barton had a good game but he was atrocious

Khanben:
The bottom-line is in the 3 years since three teams Lakers, Clippers and Nets got their big duo together. One team has a chip and as for the other 2, the Clippers are 3 and done, while the Nets will have to go through 3 top teams to even get the chance of competing for a chip. People like you can shout fugazi all you want but the Lakers have a championship to show for their all in moves while the other have none.

Why are you including 3 years when Kyrie and KD have only played in 2.

Lakers are the only team that have spent 3 years together. Are supposedly the better duo and a pandemic flavored chip is all they have to show for it. The likes of Brooklyn can bring up injury excuse, Not the Lakers

Lebron and AD - 108 games
KD and Kyrie - 44 games
Harden, KD and Kyrie - 16 games

Kawhi and PG have played 80 games together. For only two seasons not 3 like you erroneously claim.

Thanos:
lamelo not a natural scorer? Bruh! You sabi pass this an. That he is more 'creative' in his style of play does not take away from the fact that the man can but the ball in the hoop. It's more a less a matter of time before he figures out how t balance his playmaking with scoring, but don't say he chuks the ball when edwards sef worse pass am in that regard

Bro. I have been pro Lamelo and pushed for him to win ROY contrary to popular opinion that Edwards should have won it. I call it as I see it and I'm telling you in all sincerity that Lamelo is not a natural scorer, he can score yes but Lamelo taking the most FG for your team is not a winning formula

Anthony Edwards is a scorer, maybe not efficient but he can improve. Lamelo's teams will get better when he keys in on being a true pass first PG a la Chris Paul. He's featured in two play in games. His shooting percentage? 28% If you're the PG taking that many shots on an inefficient clip your team does not have a prayer

I'm slowly becoming a believer in this Anthony Edwards guy. Unlike Lamelo who has now become a notorious ball hog and shot chucker despite not being a natural scorer, Ant has improved on his shot selection. He's still gunning every now and then but he is starting to do it within the flow of the game unlike Lamelo who has left his facilitator duties and is doing an inefficiency dance off with Rozier in Charlotte

Khanben:
There is a banner hanging at staples or is it the crypto center now. I deal in reality not narratives, and the reality is for all that has happened the Lakers Lebron and AD experiment has produced a championship.
Let's start with the Clippers in the same time span, AD has played 138 games while PG13 has played 133, so there's is little or no difference there. Both their superstars were fully fit in the bubble and they had nothing to show for it, 3 years and counting the Clippers still don't have even a conference championship to show for winning the offseason in 2019.
As for the Nets they had 2 MVPs and an all nba player on the same team for most of 2 seasons and unless, they can win it all this year which I very much doubt, that is also 3 years of nothing will incredible players.
So why do both of these franchises get a pass, but the Lakers get continuously shit on as if the last time they won a championship was 20 years ago.

Even the Lakers know it's been a failure thus far and you're here doing Johnny Cochrane.

That pandemic banner was made possible by a once in a lifetime health crisis that allowed LeNomad and AD a full offseason of rest and recovery only coming back to play a quarter of a league season

Any surprises they have not been able to be in good shape since? What the Lakers benefited from is what likely teams like the Clippers, Nuggets would benefit had another pandemic hit

AD has played more games than Kawhi and Paul George, not just Paul George. Don't claim there is no difference there

Harden basically played a season with Brooklyn. KD, Harden and Kyrie altogether played 16 games.

Lebron and AD - 108 games
KD and Kyrie - 44 games
Harden, KD and Kyrie - 16 games

Including them in the same argument is borderline irresponsible

birdman:
I usually disagree with you on LeKing. On this matter, I smell no lies. There is no perfume that can cover of the dudu of this season. If westbrook was the issue, the coach or Lebron should have manned up and laid down the rules. Whichever way you look at it, leadership was missing.

My own is in a conference with 12 teams competing for the playoffs a LeNomad led team somehow managed to finish outside the top 10. There are no rational excuses for this type of failure. Not even injuries. A team with 3 all star caliber players?

Just here to pay homage to the Great Ororo of Madeira. Ronaldo has more hattricks in 2022 than Messi has goals. Choose your Goat wisely

mattfeuter:
Na wa oh

In the words of my brother @A40, the next CBA meeting go OVERHOT!!

What kinda sh$t is this

Man can do a 360 dunk but can’t play. . .

There's more to the game than dunk. That Zion I'm seeing is not in basketball shape at all. He needs to look up Charles Barkley, Alex Volkanovski and find out how he can shed some pounds. At least 30-40 pounds will go a long way

A team with AD/ Westbrook for 40 games and Lebron/Westbrook for 56 games should be able to finish top 10 in what was essentially a 12 team conference. You Bronsexuals should have some shame

Khanben:
So you are basically stating injuries as an excuse, if that is the case why is the same leeway not given to the Lakers. lebron lost the later half of his first year and at least 1/3 of his 4th year because of injury, AD has also been injured for both his 2nd and 3rd year season with the Lakers.
So I reiterate, if the injury excuse is valid for both the Clippers and the Nets, why is the same not valid for the Lakers. At least the Lakers duo have a banner a show for all the investments, why is the same level of scrutiny not leveled on the Clippers and Nets franchise players. Remember, in both teams, these top guys also demanded their teams trade for specific players too.

PS: The Lakers have been healthy for 2 seasons since Lebron got there, and In those years they won 1 and lost in the 1st round of the playoffs in the other year

Your argument is not giving what you think it's giving.

AD has played more games than Kawhi and Paul George over this time span
LeNomad has played even more games.

Of those 3 dynamic duo only LeNomad and AD have played more than 2 seasons together. Bear in mind even in those two seasons the other guys played at least 1 player suffered season ending injury

Relatively speaking LeNomad and AD have dealt with fewer injuries than the others

They deserve every criticism in the world because our eyes are open to the Disney bubble championship they won. Every passing year that title is going to look even more fugazi.

How do you question people criticizing a team this loaded failing to finish top 10 in a conference with 3 teams actively tanking? The Rockets, Thunder and Trailblazers were shamelessly tanking and a team with such talent could not do top 10 in a 15 team conference? Are you kidding me?

Two failures can coexist my bro.

This is only KD and Kyrie's second year together.

Kawhi did not play this year. Paul George is not playing tonight and missed 75% of games this season

Kawhi got hurt in the 2nd round of the playoffs this season. Essentially unlike Lebron and AD these guys have had less than 2 seasons to play together

Also AD and Lebron are a better duo than Kyrie and KD and Kawhi and PG. So it goes without saying they would be held to a higher standard. Unless you don't think they are greater

That Spurs team was thrust in the play in spot against their will. They tried to tank but the Lakers made it impossible to do it

felix00:
I think you are underestimating the by Nets A LOT.

Celtics barely won the last they met and JT had to drop 50 for that to happen in a game that was KDs first game back from 2 months lay off and with a bunch of newly traded key players (Drummond and Curry)

Kyrie was near perfect yesterday and KD played well too and yet they won by 7. Celtics for me are the better defensive team and the better coached team and don't forget Ime was on the Nets. I like the Celtics in this series. They have bodies they can throw at Kyrie and even KD if need be, at least enough to hurt their efficiency

Roland17:
Me wen dey here dey hope say him go show up! Baba could not even stay on the court. But boy! A. Edwards wanted ALL the smoke and more. He wasn’t going to get beat tonight.

They calmed down and played well to finish the 4th. The Wolves return to the playoffs. With the celebrations you will think they just won a ring and that supports my earlier comment about their emotional immaturity and inexperience.

They go up against Ja and the Grizzlies.

So skilled, more skilled than Duncan and Malone that he's needed two lottery picks just to get to a 7th seed. Reach finish and couldn't perform fouling and missing bunnies all over the place. I don't get the hype over skills that aren't translating to consistent winning

Credit to the Wolves this is a big leap for them.

Later now we will hear yen yen yen about how today's bigs like KAT are light years ahead of the bigs of yore. Pressure cooker environment like this all the skills will vanish like the fart of a leprous witch

You guys should be able to wax these guys in 6.

Lana1:
Omo. Bayern out.
A40 can blame it on Bruno

You know Bruno's problems are bigger than Bayern

Nagelsmann gotta pack his bags mehn. Take Coman along with you

donlittle25:
Man, I don't think anyone can even allocate one percent of any blame for KD to leave Westbrook. This guy is a Narcissist, and highly delusional.

He said and I quote on Frank Vogel "I'm not sure what his issue was with me."

According to the news flying around, Jeanie, Rambis, and pelinka told Vogel to even go ahead and bench Westbrook and take him out of the starting lineup, and Vogel was the one who fought to keep him still in the Lineup. Man, Dude is a Grade A Narcissist

I don't know why any right thinking team would pick up a Westbrook. Not even for his expiring contract because the rancor he would bring. This is a guy who missed 35% of his dunks. He can't even mentor a young team cause he has no accountability and neither would he make life easy for a young coach.

I wonder how crazy those that dissed KD for failing to win with Westbrook must feel now. I had some sympathy for him in his early OKC years but unlike CP3 this man just refused to adapt his ways