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This fugazi analyst don come again. What we are saying is the only thing this era is better at is volume 3pt shooting. That Embiid or Jokic are competing for MVP and Giannis has won multiple MVPs as well does not disprove the argument infact it further goes to show that the greats of old would have also found ways to dominate in this era.

Btw who has Steph over Magic? Are they drunk? And if anyone says Steph is a top 3 all time PG he at least has the rings and regular season MVPs to make the argument

Tyson, Lewis, Foreman poor fundamentals? mr fugazi don come again oh. You never sabi basketball finish you wan enter boxing. Stay your lane oh abeg.

E sure me you cannot name 2 boxers outside Canelo in all the other weight classes. You can't name their best fights or who they fought.

I'm sure this mugu does not know Roy Jones Jr, doesn't know Joe Calzaghe or the 4 Horsemen in the 80's.

Man's really said how many boxers of old were technically gifted . This is your most embarrassing take yet

joshboo:
It's obvious you are trolling biko, Giannis won a chip cos he became an okay shooter from 3? , my guy Sabinus got nothing on you believe me, you really got jokes.

My guy is outchea lying his ass off

Giannis vs the Suns - 20% from 3
Giannis vs the Hawks - 12% from 3

Khanben:
But did they sag against him. NO

Dude nobody was outchea guarding Giannis at the 3 point line. Stop capping. He was taking like 2 3's per game

Khanben:
Joker won the MVP because he added an aspect to his game that centers before him were not judged on i.e passing and actually running an offense, which includes the ability to shoot from anywhere.
Giannis won the chip because he became an okay shooter from 3, which ensured that teams could no longer just sag off him.

Guy dey cap small small abeg nau

Giannis shot 12% from 3 against the Hawks and 20% from 3 in the Finals

Khanben:
So getting dropped and getting back up, is now a negative?
He fought for the championship after 2 years out, where he had to not only deal with addiction but also weight issues

Who said it's a negative or positive. I'm merely showing you that if a bang average boxer with no tekkers can drop Fury then it's laughable to claim more capable and mobile boxers like Ali, Frazier, Foreman wouldn't drop him at a higher clip

Khanben:
So being better shooters is not a skill improvement?

But we don't even know they're better cause that generation did not attempt 3s at all. It was not a factor of their game.

That's like saying Phillip Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger are better passers than Joe Montana just because they passed for more yards per game. Had more TDs, And had better completion percentages. That would be asinine

raumdeuter:
This tactics will not work against serious and stronger side

Which kain werrey be 3-1-6 formation

Them rush us that first 5 minutes sef. Luckily we got the early pen and we ran riot from there

We will get tougher tests but I can't complain. The fact that nothing like away goals rule works in our favor. That was how PSG beat us last season

Lewandowski hattrick. Lmao 25 minutes never knack.

raumdeuter:
Naggelsman with his ridiculous lineup again

Practically a 3-1-6 as Musiala is an attacker

Shey he knows he will get fired if this team loses tonight sha. He's been a bit of an anticlimax

Roland17:
Help me ask them who dey play defense against these their bigs? Embiid and AD go survive 90s abi? You mean the ones that are spending more minutes on street clothes despite the offensive advantage?

I don't even know what their definition of skill is. Cos we were all here last season and last two seasons when they told us Giannis has no skills.

For all this argument the only player I can defer to is Jokic who can actually run an offense. The rest is like arguing who is more skilled btw Skip to my Lou and Steph Curry. Is your skills translating to Ws or Finals MVPs is all I care about

birdman:
Somehow you skipped the first 5 I mentioned: Giannis, KAT, Jokic, AD, Embiid, to focus on Bam. Nice try. Because you know those 5 destroy your argument. But lets leave that for now.

Guy you have no argument. Embiid is basically a poor imitation of Hakeem and is destroying the league. What does that tell you? I have no care for the rest of the guys you mentioned. Their supposed skillset barely leads their teams past the first round aside Giannis that has won a chip.

KAT is taking 6-7 3's a game. That's not versatility. That's 3 points spamming.

I can make exception for Jokic who runs his team's offense but that's about it

birdman:
I purposely did not mention Hakeem because he was not in KG's era, but if you go to Hakeem's era, which other big man was versatile? Please dont mention Shawn kemp or Ewing lol. Shaq at the end of Hakeem's era was very dominant, but he had to be in the post to do damage.

Ewing was not versatile? Na wa oh. Once player no dey shoot 3 pointer for your eye e no dey versatile be that. You people are too caught up in the aesthetics. Which player dey easy on the eye. Na so una dey judge versatility, whether e productive or not

birdman:
Webber was nice, but is he Embiid or Jokic of Giannis level? No. He was an expcellent passer with a midrange jumpshot.

Giannis is the only made man on this list. I don't see prime Webber that was going to to toe with Kobe and Shaq far behind the others

birdman:
David Robinson? Loool. stop it. The Admiral was a defensive machine, but needed Timmy D to get that ring. Look how Hakeem flogged him!

Karl Malone? What was his stats without the Stockton PnR. Could he shoot the 3? Or pass to any PG not named Stockton?

I can forgive Chris Webber, but The Admiral and the Mail Man? Bwahahahaha

Obviously Hakeem was better but The Admiral could score with the best of them. Don't play. The man dropped 71 in an NBA game

What is Stockton's stats without Karl Malone? Which kin argument be this

Roland17:
The capping off me. Shey na this era when dem don pad gloves abi na the one wen dem dey duck each other until your opponent old? Abi na the one wen referee dey save boxers before dem kill dem with punches? Ask them when Fury became popular and a World Champion? Who are the baddest heavyweight boxers in today's boxing? Dem fit list pass Wilder/ Fury and our Boy?

Can you imagine robotic and chinny Anthony Joshua fighting a Ken Norton or a Joe Frazier who might lose but is ready to die in the ring.

Fighting is not by the size of the dog but the fight in the dog.

I respect Fury but when someone looks at just his size and conclude he beats the greats of old when I saw a mediocre boxer 40 pounds lighter drop him severally and he barely made it through. That's laughable punditry

Khanben:
This is where I always have issue with all this old days were better. From Hakeem to Webber is 3 plus decades of basketball. If we start this new 3ball era from 2015, we are just at 7 years and guess what in that time we already have 3 bigs who are MVP caliber in Joker, Embidd and Giannis, and maybe 2 more depending on how you categorize them can legitly be all nba level, in AD and KAT.
In another 23 years I will bet the quantity of players will match up with those who have come before.

This is a super dishonest take. And nobody here has shown me exactly what today's bigs consistently do better besides 3pt shooting. These guys averaged 15 years or more at overlapping time intervals so I don't understand your point

Hakeem, Dirk, Shaq, Duncan, KG, The Admiral, Mailman. All league and Finals MVPs

Which of today's bigs or the ones 20 years to come will top the names I listed. Cos of all the names I'm seeing you list I can only see 1 finals MVP

joshboo:
fury would beat Ali, fraizer and co? Be like you don start to dey take comedy lessons, the jokes are funny sha, no offence kk. That being said, Lennox Lewis would rag-roll Fury talk more of the mentioned.

He knows nothing about Boxing. He just casted himself with that talk. A poverty boxer like Wilder dropped him 4 times what does he think would happen if he faced guys that could actually box

Khanben:
Tyson fury will beat the hell out of Ali, Frazier and co.
LT was 6ft 3 240lbs and was considered a unicorn when he played. Nowadays every single NFL teams has a player with better physical traits at OLB. By the way LT was for most of his destructive years blocked by TEs, there is a reason he is given as the reason for the preeminence of Left tackles in today's game.

You really know nothing about boxing and I don't mean this in a disrespectful way. In your eyes once someone is bigger it automatically means they are better. Just because Tyson outboxed a guy like Deontay Wilder with zero boxing nous doesn't mean he beats the Alis, Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis etc

Tyson Fury has a 40 pound advantage on Wilder yet he was floored 4 times by an agricultural boxer like Wilder, what do you think happens when he faces people that can actually box?

It's abundantly clear now that just like Vince McMahon you have a size fetish. You don't take into account their fundamentals, motor and their innate gifts and smarts. You would make a terrible scout

What is Aaron Donald's size relative to other defensive tackles right now? In your eyes size is the sole determinant of greatness. Yet Draymond Green at 6'7 is comfortably playing center in this era.

birdman:
Cool, I'll give you that, KG over KAT. Now how many bigs in KG's day could do similar. Timmy D, who else. Today we have countless bigs with similar skillset. Embiid, KAT, Jokic, AD, KD, Giannis. Even second tier folk like Bam. We haven't even looked at the rookie/sophomore class yet! I didnt even add Zion! The league is far deeper and more skilled.

When KG came out of high school, that was like phenomenal, like we never see that before. Now, guys are coming out of high school and balling within one season.

Lol. Bam? Now you're just taking the piss

Are you serious right now? Didn't I tell you the only thing bigs do better now is shoot the 3? Did you watch Shaq before he was a 300 pounder? In his Orlando days when he was still slim?

Zion? Lmaoooo. Zion is basically Blake Griffin with more melanin. Stop mistaking genetics for actual skills

Did you watch Hakeem? Chris Webber? David Robinson, Karl Malone?

I'm asking you again. What is today's league and bigs better at besides spamming 3 point shooting

This fugazi basketball analyst don start again. Man's brought up highs as proof that an era is better, now them don disprove his argument he is going back to averages.

We're not even going to mention the fact that Bird had over a dozen games of 45 and above points to further rubbish his argument.

Bottomline is anyone with even basic knowledge of stats that due to the proliferation of 3's in today's game it would be easier to match the career highs of players of yore. All it takes is two big 3pt shooting nights and another night you get all the foul calls in your favor. It's that simple

I'm glad this placebo analyst brought up KD. I bet he didn't know that KD won 4 scoring titles in the space of 5 seasons. Could have won 5 in 6 seasons and only lost to Melo in 2013 cos he played 14 more games than Carmelo did.

Got hurt in 2015 and his teammate Russ won it and then we know what happened in 2016.

Do you think Jordan would have won 10 scoring titles if he was joining team to team like today's players do. Obviously not! But how is that supposed to be a knock on Jordan?

Didn't James Harden win scoring title 3 years in a row? So what is so competitive about this era that one man cannot dominate such award. You mean if he stayed in Houston and didn't pull off his antics he couldn't have shot for 5 in a row?

Tellwhat:
That's your opinion brother. Nobody knows for sure if sugar Ray was going to mop the floor with this current prime Canelo who's a well rounded savage

Are you seeing the mugs he is fighting? Caleb Plant? Julio Chavez Jr

Man's was smack dab in his prime getting gift wrapped dodgy wins against an aging GGG. Sugar Ray would run circles around him. Only Muppets who know nothing about boxing would argue otherwise

joshboo:
A casual would see this stat line abd start to dey foam for mouth, how would julius randle, i mean randle shoot 16 3's in a game and you tell me the game isn't flawed today?

this is the height of uselessness for a big man to shoot this ton.

These clowns simply don't think. You will see a stat line like this and still be asking how Jayson Tatum is able to match Larry Bird's 50 point record. Meanwhile 16 3's mean a potential 48 points and that's not even factoring free throws. These are the kind of halfwits we are dealing with.

So this is the supposed highlight of skills. Your ability to spam 3's

birdman:
Since when was height a measure of athleticism or being strong. Manute Bol, Shawn Bradley are both very tall and big but thats about it. When we say bigger stronger, faster, we mean the combo. To be big like KAT, strong enough to dunk and block shots, fast enough to dribble the ball and score, and skilled enough to win a 3pt shooting contest. Give me someone from the old era with that skillset. I'll wait!

Alaye. What does a KAT do better than a KG, Hakeem besides shooting 3's? In terms of pure fundamentals and all round play.

I just told you the only difference between the 90s and this era is the 3pt shooting so your argument is completely moot. Everyone wants to be like Steph now.

That's why I challenged anyone to show me what this era is better at besides shooting more 3pointers

Khanben:
You are mentioning the very best players. I will argue that what determines a great era is the quality of the average player, and the average player now is a far better player than the average player then.
For goodness sake, the best online in the 80s was arguably that of the then Redskins and none of them weighed 300lbs.
Put out any olineman with guys less than 300lbs in today's game andany average front 4 will destroy them.
The average sportman now is faster, bigger and stronger than those in the 80s and 90s, with better nutrition and more advanced recovery process.

So what is the quality of the average player now? Which body measured this and certified it better. This is such cap and lazy punditry

You are using an outlier team that were great and tying it solely to their size. Bear in mind the Redskins O-Line were smaller than even the historically great O-lines of all time. In a position historically with the most size and the least skill. How does that help your argument as to how athletes are better or stronger?

The average sportsman is faster, bigger, stronger una. By what metric With all their nutrition and recovery why aren't they beating the feats of yore at a higher clip. Why are they not jumping higher and further? And don't give me the average sportsman kinikankinikan that nobody can prove or verify

Tellwhat:
This man. Let me just Agree to disagree because it's obvious you're being biased

I have come across this type of arguement too many times.

But is there any sports where you don't hold this same view of always rating the older generations ahead I strongly doubt there's any

I look at the era. I look at their abilities. I don't just yield to the lazy narrative of newer is better. As with music, electronics, cars and down to Sports a newer version of something doesn't necessarily make it better

donlittle25:
I just no want talk. Imagine watching the fights between Ali, Foreman, Frazier

Ali losing to Frazier
Foreman Losing to Frazier
Ali beating foreman
Ali beating Frazier

Watch all these fights and just tell me Guys were just standing and banging.

I watched a video of Pele the other day, and the video highlighted the skills players of today are doing, and side by side, Pele was also doing the same skills. I mean it was almost a replica. Imagine someone like that today with advance technologies?

I am not even trying to say Pele is my goat, but i will not come here and disrespect 80 year old men that says thats their goat.

I don't like arguing with these people. They think the players and athletes today are reinventing some imaginary wheel. That's why I keep asking them let them tell me one player who is doing what the league has never seen before besides shooting a whole bunch of 3's

I won't even go as far as Magic, Stockton and Zeke. In terms of pure PG play how many PGs today are as good as Jason Kidd or Kevin Johnson

Tellwhat:
You're just exaggerating

Sugar Ray Leonard was beautiful to watch and highly technical but he's definitely not going to mob the floor with canelo just because he flows beautifully

Lol do you watch the mugs and tomato cans Canelo is fighting in this present era. Dfkm

Boxing is clearly at its nadir

Tellwhat:
There's always an exception. Also Boxing is an individual sport. It's not so easy for an individual sport to evolve
Nevertheless boxing has surely evolved in its own little ways.

Fighters like Mayweather and canelo are proof that boxing evolve

And the boxers that are expected to rule tomorrow have started mastering their craft at a very young age and also trying to model their career from people like Mayweather

Don't be surprised in the new future we could see an evolved heavyweight. Someone as fast as Mike Tyson with a defence like Mayweather

Boxers are not athletes? Wetin you dey yarn nau this guy. How isn't it supposed to be easier? Aren't today's boxers supposed to be bigger, faster, stronger.

I can guarantee you Hagler and Leonard would have wiped the floor with Mayweather and Canelo.

I also want to see the offensive lineman today that Reggie White or Lawrence Taylor wouldn't have absolutely destroyed on the field.

Tellwhat:
Their defence, technical brilliance. This guys are perfecting the art of boxing and not just stand and bang

Lmaoo. Did you watch Sugar Ray Leonard?

Go and watch the matchups of the 4 Horsemen and come back and show me the boxers of this era that can match their brilliance.

Sugar Ray would have mopped the floor with Canelo. It wouldn't be a pretty sight

Tellwhat:
Maybe

But so many analysts still argue that Donald is better than Taylor

Personally I don't like comparing different eras

Which analysts and which flavor of meth are they smoking? Or is it Canadian loud? No reputable analyst will be stupid enough to compare Aaron Donald to LT

Tellwhat:
One thing is sure. The sports evolve

Athletes of today are expected to be better than athletes of yesterday and athletes of tomorrow should be better than athletes of today

People should stop giving excuses and acting like players of past era were untouchable

Why hasn't boxing evolved? Why are those guys still better than what we have now

DTs and Defensive ends nko?

We're not infinite beings so there will always be a cap to our evolution in terms of physical abilities

donlittle25:
What kind of maths did you do? 5 points from 5 threes

If bird shoots 3 3s a game and make 2 that's 6 points.

If Tatum shoots 8 3s a game and make 7 that's 21 points.

Lol abeg don't mind our Jelosinmi ambassador. I said even if we're going to be that ridiculous. Is 5 points not a substantial deficit on a nightly basis?

Last night Jayson Tatum took 15 3's. In Bird's era entire teams might take 10 3's in one night. If that doesn't tell any reasonable person that scoring has been inflated then nothing else will

Khanben:
I just want to make one observation, it seems to me like nba basketball is the only huge sport where people constantly say that the average player from an older era is better than those currently playing.
In football, no one ever says that the current era of players are worse than those Maradona, Pele or Cruff played against even though we all know that they were also rule changes put in place to remove excessively dangerous tackles and tactics.
Same with the NFL, I have never heard people argue than the average player in the 80s or 90s are better than those now even though they have been a plethora of rules changes to make the game less physical and more safe.
The question then is, why is the nba different?

This is a lazy argument. Every sport has their golden era so that you're newer doesn't make you better, perhaps certain rules might have been implemented to make the game a bit easier does not mean you're fundamentally better at your core.

It's like boxing. You want to tell me these era of middleweights and heavyweights will compare to those of the 80's? Or the heavyweights of the 70's? Come off it.

Which wide receiver today compares with Jerry Rice? Which running back today compares with Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith. Which defensive player compares with Bruce Smith, Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor

Just say you're biased to your new era and go. Because diminishing the players of that era means you're inadvertently downplaying the greatness of those players due to their competition.

Jayson Tatum takes 8 3's per game if he makes them all maximum = 24 points

Larry Bird takes 3 3's per game if he makes them all maximum = 9 points

Even if we want to entertain your zany argument for a second, are you suggesting that a player capable of just 5 more points at the bare minimum on any given night is not at an advantage. Never mind when he can take as much as 15 3's on outlier nights. Why won't he match Bird's 50 points. It's not rocket science. Think!!

Anyone with functioning eyes can tell scoring today is massively inflated. I repeat and maintain there is nothing extraordinary about this era besides the inflated 3 point shooting. That's it

If Tim Hardaway and Chris Mullin were taking 8 3's per game they will also be doing 29pts. More 3 point shooting = More inflated assists. The numbers today are inflated due to the heavy amount of 3pt shooting

birdman:
When this topic comes up, people get defensive. Because if you say this era is better than previous, they think it attacks MJ's goat status. I can explain why this is the most competitive era without taking anything away from MJ.

Charles Oakley was talking about how he would have bullied Giannis in his time. Isaiah Thomas, realest OG just laughed it off and clapped back. In Isaiah's words, Giannis is faster, stronger than Oakley was in his prime and Giannis would have dominated in any era! Now consider Giannis, Jokic, KAT. Look at Luka, Curry. I wont even mention the young guns like Morant, Bam, Tatum or the OGs like Durant and Lebron. All these guys will ball regardless of rule changes. Some of them will play better even. A 37 year old Lebron, the oldest of the bunch dropped 50+!

This league is orders magnitude better than 20 years ago, with or without rule changes. Yeah some of it is better nutrition and equipment, but these guys are faster, more skilled and stronger. The two things the old school has that also keeps MJ at the top is mindset and the midrange jumpshot. If Lebron had any one of those 2, the GOAT conversation would have been over years ago, and he would likely have 6 rings as well.

Abeg lets stop over-gloryfying the past. The show Tatum put up yesterday, you think that was easy? Baba, enter ordinary YMCA game and try to score 60pts. Try drop 30 sef, then come back the next night and attempt to repeat it. To drop 60pts in an empty gym na full workout for me

The only thing this era does better than the era of old is Spam more 3pters. That is literally it. Whatever athleticism you're harping about their fundamentals will easily cancel out. I don't like arguing about this stronger, faster trope that hasn't and cannot be verified by any respectable organization

The great players of any era will also dominate this era. That is neither here nor there. Today's league will not know what to do with a Hakeem or an Embiid.

Nobody said what Tatum did is easy. We're saying it's easier when you can shoot 15 3's a night!!!