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afrodoc2:
When people are comparing the exploits of 5 people i.e the Madrid defence to the exploits of 1 person i.e Benzema then you already know the answer to the question.

You can’t say you are making a fair comparison when you have to do Courtois+Ramos+Varane+LB+RB in order to rubbish Benzema.

Benzema was the single most important individual player responsible for the league title.
The Madrid defence is not a player.

It's perplexing. Benzema is the second top scorer in the league. #4 in assists. He was directly involved in 42% of the goals Madrid scored in the league.

Ibime:
That's between Benzema and the other attackers.

Nothing to do with the defence who have posted World Class stats.

Benzema 21 goals is not a World Class stat. He can only use that to flog his fellow attackers who flopped.

The defense is a collective of 5. Benzema is but one individual. This premise is faulty.

So how do you judge who contributed more? That we are comparing Benzema to a collective of 5 further proves my point.

Besides 21 goals is World class for this season because he is only second behind Messi, add to the fact that he also leads the team in assists this makes his contributions even more significant. Even digging further when you consider the number of key passes he has averaged one can argue that if he wasn't surrounded by shitty forwards his numbers would be even gaudier

Ibime:
A member of the defence must be honoured when the defence posts World Class stats on the way to a Championship and no striker posted World Class stats. That's why Terry was honoured in 2005 over Lampard who scored 20 goals, and why VVD was honoured over Salah who scored 20 or 21 league goals.

This has always been the problem with polling booth awards. So how do we calculate who contributed the most in defense? How do you definitively prove that Terry was more influential than Cech or Carvalho, who is more important in defense for Madrid? Courtois? Ramos? Varane?

It's a faulty and inconsistent style especially when Benzema has done sufficiently on the other end.

airmark:
You copied and pasted all the posts from a Ucl match in September against PSG. You had to go to the beginning of the season, out of 34 matches he kept. It's so hard for you, that's almost a year ago

Now compare that to a Benzema that ghosted for 11 matches in a row, between December and February, when the league might have slipped away but for others that stepped up. You are just not smart and the reason Dayo likes to use you as a foot stool.

You are a demented mofo. And a shameless liar at that to suggest that was from 1 game. I thought you foolishly claimed there was no Courtois slander in the 19/20 season when the reality was he was useless from August to October at the very minimum

Next time crosscheck before typing nonsense with your leprous fingers.

When did Benzema ghost for 11 games in a row you lying fork tongued serpent. Who were the others that stepped up and let's compare their contributions with that of Benzema. Fool! E say step up like say them no dey collect salary. Benzema must score or assist all 36 games according to your foolish skull

timbros:
I'm not rubbishing Jovic. But I'm basing my comments on what is on ground right now. Jovic has had a very slow start to his Madrid career. His confidence is below low now, there is no way he can give Madrid 21 goals this season.

Same way Nacho/Militao can't give what Ramos gave to the team.

If I were to rate the Madrid players contributions by percentage, I will give Benzema 45%, defence 30%, rest of the squad 25%.

My personal opinion sha.

Exactly. Benzema alone contributed 29 goals + assists. No other Madrid player combined for more than 10 goals + assists. None. Have you ever seen something like that before?

airmark:
When was everybody yabbing Courtois in 2019/2020 season? He was more consistent in the season than the bag of beans.

Your problem is, you don't watch Madrid matches, just arguing based on what Dayo spews and stats on sites.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STo09eyh4p4

erons22:
Abeg courtois is worst

That man has conceded more than 90goals in less than 50matches.

HAZARD still needs time, same with NICOLAS PEPE..


As for lingard they need to demote him back to youth league

oloriLFC:
Courtois like Tortoise. Dem just dey nack am goals any how.

yungsmart:
Courtois is the real flop just swallowing goals like EBA.

Hazard still needs time to cause hazard for realmadrid opponents.

erons22:
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There is something about this COURTOIS GK

HIS PERFORMANCE WITH HIS NATIONAL TEAM IS DIFFERENT FROM HIS CLUB TEAM.

HE ALWAYS DO WELL WHEN PLAYING FOR BELGIUM .

BUT CLUB TEAM IS DIFFERENT.

andrew444:
Courtois is akpeyi

Uzoho is better than this courtois

biomustry:
Chelsea sold a finished Courtois, an obese Hazard to Madrid and collected kovacic, sold Grandpa Cech and Luiz to arsenal and collected Giroud #scammers.

Miremoses1:
Courtois and Carvahal are pure sh#t

Galaticos444:
d only justify reason is navas is ageing but courtois is a very bad keeper

Tonymegabush1:
Courtois no sabi keep ball ooo happy he even left chelsea

eni4real:
Perez just buy any "next big thing" in football and relegate his proven soldiers!!!

How can you buy Courtois just to relegate Navas??

TalabiAudu:
And to all of.you that want to use the opportunity of Courtois foolishness to blame Hazard tonight, y'all ain't ready for this

I don't blame you. O ti'n di arugbo. You now have the memory capacity of a goldfish

Ibime:
No doubt Benzema has produced but the argument is not as simple as pointing at his goals.

If Benzema doesn't play, will Real Madrid play with ten men? Another striker will surely take his place and any decent striker that plays no9 for Madrid will score at least 18 league goals, at which point the clean sheets is the real Championship winner since you can replace Benzema with any Madrid-level striker and still win the League.

I haven't always been a Benzema fan but as far as this season he's been exceptional.

What Benzema does goes beyond just goals, he is also leading the team in assists and is one of their top chance creator as well.

He is the pivot of that entire attack.

The final part of your post we can plug and play for just about any other team in the league. Liverpool and Ederson has 15 clean sheets. I'm sure even Adrian had some, doesn't mean their defense has been the championship winner when you have Salah and Mane

airmark:
Replace Courtois with Akpeyi, then let's see where the paltry 21 goals in 36 matches, that Benzema managed to score would have carried Madrid to. Even yesterday, if not for Courtois' saves, the trophy wouldn't have been presented.

If i start posting Madrid's fans complaints on Benzema during the season, you will disappear with your nonsense stats.

The same Courtois everybody was yabbing on this forum not too long ago?

While you're posting complaints about Benzema I will also post the ones for Courtois. Let's go there?

As if it's not defenders standing in front of this same Courtois.

Take away Benzema's two goals let's see if Madrid would have not lost that match. Are you normal like this?

airmark:
How many Madrid attackers played 36 league matches like the bag of beans?

Lewandowski played 31 matches and scored 34 goals

Benzema played 36 matches and scored 21 goals

Vardy played 33 matches and scored 23 goals

This is what happens when you refuse to swallow your L and retreat to fight another day.

You're gradually making my point that Benzema held the attack by himself with no help. Other players were either injured or not even fit for purpose to make any impact.

One man MOPOL Benzema led Madrid to their 34th title. While his teammates were dropping poverty numbers. Abi you think Madrid wins the league if they relied on Hidden and his 1 goal in 1100 mins?

airmark:


So na to build goals for Benzema remain now.

Benzema went 10 games with just a goal. If Madrid had lost those 9 matches, do you think Madrid would have won the league? Bag of beans wasn't the most important Madrid player, we watched the matches, unlike you dolt.

It's not my fault that you don't understand elementary English.

If Madrid had lost 9 matches in 10? Really? The other players don't get paid to contribute? Well only an akpa nsi like you can come up with such a foolish example! No surprises

Just show me any Madrid player who combined for more than 10 goals in the league in the entire Madrid squad and I will agree with your nonsense.

Show me 1 Madrid player in this list.

chic2pimp:
You two should make up abeg. I don't even know the events that started this una beef sef as I seem to remember you two getting along in the early days. Whatever it is, you Guys need to let this inhouse fighting die it's natural death.

Argue and squabble alright but abeg let's leave the Name callings and swear words for the trash can.

Naah man's got snaky tendencies. I no make up anything. Make every man dey him dey.

Abi shey na everybody you dey interact with for here?

I no get actual beef or anything tbvh but make all man just maintain social distancing

Oasis007:
Borussia Dortmund have told Manchester United they will not sell Jadon Sancho for anything less than £100m. United are looking to reach a compromise between £50m and the aforementioned figure, involving add ons.

- Tmes

50m for Sancho? Lol make dem kuku kidnap am

raumdeuter:
How many players in Madrid had a combined goal and assist of over 10 in the league this season. Benzema has 29 g+a

Don't mind commandclem analysts that won't give credit where it's due

Expert17:
Imagine the no of goals scored, and he's not the 1st choice for PK.

Had it bn hazard scored 10 goals this season, we won't hear word on Nairaland .......even with the 1 goal and 3 assists.... Hensben wan kill us with noise

The word shame is not in their dictionary. To show that Benzema scored crucial goals and not stat padding goals, OPTA showed us that no player in the entire La Liga contributed more points singlehandedly than Benzema

airmark:
Na Bariga Times Newspaper publish this for the Algerian bag of beans? You work with false data, that's why you were arguing and praising the bag of beans, disgracing yourself up and down.

Benzema never scored 26 league goals in a season in over 16yrs of his professional career. Stop lying, opuro oloju wonkan.

Are you senile? Contributions meaning goals + assists. Where did I say Benzema scored 29 goals?

You're too young to be this demented

chic2pimp:
Na wa o. I thought you two had already made up on the Bayern thread alas I was wrong. Abi wasn't Pkasso wishing A40 Happy Birthday a few months back or were my eyes deceiving me?

Lool abeg I no like Alabosi and snaky behavior. You sef see say na eye service

airmark:
Benzema was so bad during the season that he had just 1 goal in 10 matches in a row. If others didn't step up to the plate, Madrid would be thinking of Europa next season.

If you have short memory, others don't. Courtois and Ramos were more crucial than the Algerian bag of beans that disappeared from scorers' sheet, like a fart of a leprous witch, between December 2019 and February 2020.

I know you're like man made god. You have eyes but you cannot see

Ask someone to count how many Madrid players are on this list below

Expert17:
Benzema is the main man this season for Real Madrid....

Even Perez confirmed this yesterday....make una calm down with useless agenda.

Some people are brainless. A player that contributed 29 goals out of a total 68.

Nobody scored more than 10 goals in the entire Madrid squad. Can you imagine

Werey alaso say him no get time for back and forth. Who dey try interact with am before?

Awada kerikeri

pkasso:
You've always had comprehension issues so I'm not surprised. Anybody with a working brain would know the Ings reference wasn't meant as a direct comparison but then again, you are a special kind of stupid. Would you be happy if I brought up someone like Lewy, who has 34 goals in 31 matches and just about double the number of goals Benzema has scored in all competitions this season? Mumu.

You're a fucktardious cretin. Who said you were comparing or not comparing? I'm saying mentioning Ings and Benzema together on any grounds is ret@rded. Benzema's performance led Madrid to a league title. Da fuq does anything have to do with Danny Ings? Onye nzuzu.

What if you brought up Lewy? Are Lewy and Danny Ings in the same league. Mr man what is the nature of your problem?

pkasso:
Real didn't need any of Benzema's goals to pick up 4 pts against their fiercest rivals Barca. Something that would prove valuable in the long run. When Benz went through his annual goal drought earlier this year with a startling 2 goals in 12 games, who were the ones keeping the team afloat? Own goals from the opposition I guess. In their first game after the restart against Eibar, Kroos, Ramos and Marcelo were the ones getting the goals in what was a terrible performance from their no 9. Casemiro scored winners against Atletico and Sevilla, two of the top 4 sides in La Liga. Eder Militao is the only senior outfield player yet to get on the scoresheet this season but na Benz dey contribute all the goals.

This clown is clearly sniffing butcheeks. 18 teams in the league and this odious toad is focused on Barca. How many times do Madrid and Barca play?

12 games out of 37 amounts to what? Can you name any player aside Lewandowski that did not suffer from goal drought or drop in form.
Benzema is second only to Messi contributing 29 goals out of the 68 Madrid scored

Add up Kroos, Casemiro, Ramos and Marcelo's goals it's still not up to Benzema's

pkasso:
Ogbeni, there is a popular saying in sports " Offense win games, defense wins championships" That is not more obvious anywhere than in Madrid's title win. To put things in perspective, Simeone's ultra-defensive champions of 2013/14 scored 77 goals and conceded 26 goals earning 20 clean sheets. Real this season with a game to go have only scored 68 goals, conceded a measly 23 and have kept 19 clean sheets. They play Leganes on the last day. Costa scored 27 goals that year but everyone agreed it was the defense that won them the league. But it's Benz that led a Real side with a better defensive record to the title.

So Oga, just go find somewhere siddon. I don't have time for back and forths with an intellectual minion like yourself, so Adios!

You use foolish analogies that are above your pay grade. Who agreed with you that it was Atletico's defense that won them the league? So why did Chelsea come for Diego Costa? Would Atletico win the league if Costa didn't 'chip in' with his 27 goals. Asinwin

Even if Madrid conceded 0 goals how do they get wins without Benzema's 29 goal contributions?

Someone just showed you proof that Benzema won more points for his team than any other player in the league and still you're frothing in the mouth like a camel in heat.

Oya show 1 player that contributed more than Benzema and this intellectual eunuch is referring to the defense, an actual collective of 5 different players. You couldn't hide your foolishness if you tried.

And Incase you haven't noticed, nobody has time for any back and forth with a needy attention starved Muppet like you either. A fact some other fans here have correctly observed

Lingardinho. Omo this one loud oh

raumdeuter:
King Benzema

This is the player they are trying to diminish his impact in Madrid side. Benzema ran Madrids attack almost single handedly

www.nairaland.com/attachments/11946259_kingbenz_jpeg43a615e12aef4fed3e55c09f5e15232b

How can one look at the stats up there and still argue that Benzema did not run Madrids attack

Awon alainitiju eni. They will kuku unlook.

Benzema was directly responsible for 29 goals out of the 68 Madrid scored in total but we keep hearing how defenders and midfielders 'chipped' in with goals. Chipolopolo ni

BlueAngel444:
I wonder what that guy that has popcorn for brain cells would say of Ziyech when he starts averaging 4 shots per game in Chelsea with maybe one goal or none

You can't blame them. When you have ile keu foundation you will struggle to grasp simplest of concepts. How can you use shots per game in isolation as proof a player is clinical or has good conversion rate or not. Mumu conflating shots with actual scoring chances

I won't be suprised if the commandclem analyst was one of the Bitcoin victims earlier in the week.

popizaino:
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This is so wrong on the emboldened. I won't say much

Go and argue with OPTA. I am not sure you know what you're talking about.

Going purely by shots is a silly way to rate a player's conversion rate or clinical ability.

Mo Salah for example has scored 19 goals but look at the number of shots. So going by this logic Salah is the most wasteful big name striker in Europe since he converts at 1 in 7 chances.

That's not how it works. Smart analysts drill down and read the fine print. That's why they also recorded shots on target, big chances missed etc which anyone can then scrutinize and see the true picture

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airmark:
This is stupid. So you won't consider missed chances that were off the target, when calculating the efficiency in front of goal, of an attacker?

You are even comparing a Central forward to wingers in this convo? Dayo should lock you up.

All shots are not created equal. If they were guys like OPTA would not break things down further and have separate categories for actual chances missed.

Your brain's OS is still on Windows 95 when everyone else is using Windows 10. No wonder you're still using Appearances instead of minutes played like every other up to date analyst. Onye nzuzu!

You're still foolishly asking me why I'm comparing CF to a winger? Why does that matter? Who takes more shots at Liverpool between Salah and Firmino. You are so dense walahi

afrodoc2:
The attempts of Hazardistas to defend 1 goal and 3 assists is comical.

Very wicked fat boy. See as he phucked all his fans here up. Nkwobi addict.

Let him go to Madrid, let him join an attacking team they said. Mumus didn't know Hazard was a big fish in small pond player. The hype job was exposed in Spain this year the league of so-called farmer defenders

raumdeuter:
Imagine the incredible suffering and stomach pain he is going through right now, He spent years bashing Benzema while the big Benz was staring under different coaches. Like I said, he has a pull towards failure so much that its difficult to explain. We are talking about someone winning the La Liga with Madrid as top striker and main scorer, he is talking about a Relapsti in struggling Torino. If he is that good, he wont be in Torino at age

Benzema led Madrid to the La Liga and we are seeing needless shalayes. Let them tell us the last time a Madrid player not named Ronaldo scored 20 league goals in a season

We told them Benzema had to sacrifice his own scoring to benefit Ronaldo who was a better scorer but football neophytes who don't know anything started saying rubbish
Let them go and see how Higuain is delivering since Ronaldo got to Juventus. Who was the last striker to play alongside Ronaldo and score 20 goals? But you know some people, the only reason they sign-in is to stan ramdeuters post and counter anything he says even when they sound ridiculous

They said Benzema will not lead Madrid and he brought untold shame to them so much that their belly is starting to ache after Benzema delivered the title to Madrid

5 different top coaches have managed Madrid and they all started Benzema, This is Madrid where many great strikers have gone and failed . Someone is now mentioning fvcking Danny Ings. The same guy who has been getting bounced from relegation teams all over the league, The Kevin Phillips of this season, Maybe there is a reason no top 6 side in any league is interested in Danny Ings but Benzema is spending a decade as a starter in Madrid

List of Madrid scorers in the league

Benzema 21
Ramos 10
Kroos 4
Casemiro 4
Varane 3

You dont need an optician to know who delivered offensively for Madrid to win the title. Basically no one in Madrid has half the goals of Benzema

ESPN wrote: Real Madrid's attack revolves around Benzema in 8/10 performance as Los Blancos edge towards title
https://www.espn.com/soccer/real-madrid/story/4133537/real-madrids-attack-revolves-around-benzema-in-8-10-performance-as-los-blancos-edge-towards-title

The Atletic went further and tagged it Benzemas title
https://theathletic.com/1925287/2020/07/16/benzema-karim-real-madrid-title-la-liga/
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11943255_benz_png0d28933d80c62ddb1a17b7da3e8de542
Yet bad belle people failed football analysts said he has done nothing special. Really nothing special that Madrid without Ronaldo beat Barcelona with Messi to the La liga title with a game to spare

Like they say Haters gonna hate

It's always easy to know the ones that watch TV with their eyes closed and mouth wide open.

When a clown is mentioning Danny Ings and Benzema in the same breath you just have to unlook and understand his desperation to be liked and approved by apoche cra cra and cronies.

Even went further to talk about midfielders and defenders chipping in goals. Lmaoooo! 6 out of the 10 goals Ramos scored were from the penalty spot. So who and who were chipping in with goals? Hazard?

Benzema carried Madrid leading the attack on goals and assists when it became clear that Jovic and Hazard were going to be monumental flops. These Ekwe samples (apologies Elamps Baba) won't see this though

airmark:
How will you determine the conversion rate, by not including shots off target? Are you insane?

Messi is not a central forward like Benzema, if you are not dull you would know why Messi should have more shots off target than Benzema.

Dayo should be punished for not educating you well before allowing you to move out of Bayern thread, and contributing here.

You are a thief!! No sensible human being will use total shots to determine a player's conversion rate and how clinical they are. Else guys like Cristiano Ronaldo would not be rated at all

That is asinine. If you want to prove a player is wasteful you bring out their big chances missed like OPTA did not this your asinine commandclem analysis

Messi has more shots on and off target than Benzema. Whether he's a goalkeeper what it still shows to any one with a working brain is that he gets into position to score as much as Benzema

Your useless Belloti for example if we take away his 7 penalty goals he would be left with 9 goals from 61 shots. That means he converts 1 out of 7 chances going by your foolish logic.

You can see that two can play your mumu game

airmark:
You can't stop exposing your limited knowledge of the round leather game. You always type a lot of inconsequential words that will further disgrace you.

Let me take you to school. You dwelled on only shots on goal, to reach your stupid conclusion that Benzema has a great conversion rate. What of his shots off target? Your brain didn't consider that as important, right? Can you see why you need to return fully to your mentor, Dayo, to train you more, before you can come and battle me on soccer technicalties?

When you should be here reading and learning from brilliant submissions, you will be on Basketball thread, sizing up Lola William's boobs.

Who is including shots off target with you? If we are doing that then Messi is even worse than Benzema going by your apoche cra cra logic.

Total shots:
Messi - 111
Goals
23

So if you must slander anybody. Start with Messi. Efulefu

Amoto94:
Jorginho can play them but need runners

That Jorginho no sabi anything make I no lie for you. Sluggishness is the only common denominator between him and Pirlo

obainojazz:
Hazard brings more to a team than goals and assists..
(Hesben and Airmark 1970)

Dumb and dumber

Amoto94:
Jorginho is at best a poor man's Pirlo, Michael Carrick was a better DLP than Jorginho during his playing days yet he was heavily criticized for his lack of athleticism.
EPL is a different animal compared to other leagues because the intensity is higher and your DLP must have legs and be physically robust else he will run into trouble, Xabi Alonso was DLP and excelled in that role while playing for Liverpool because of his athleticism coupled with his technical qualities, Fernandinho excelled too in this role because of the aforementioned qualities.

Lol Jorginho is nothing like Pirlo even at extreme poverty. What kind of blasphemy is this? Jorginho that can barely throw pass more than 5 yards? Stop this rough play